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Bill to ban "teak surfing" introduced in WA State
This memo is being sent to WAMBE & RBAW members because of your
interest in boating safety. If you would like off this list, please let me know. Senator Pam Roach has sponsored Senate Bill 6364 to ban "teak surfing". She was prompted by one of her constituent organizations, the East Pierce County Fire and Rescue. This agency had dealt with two tragic deaths on Lake Tapps due to teak surfing. For info on bill language go to: http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=6364 The hearing for this bill is on February 1st in Olympia. Unfortunately it's at 8 AM, however Sen. Roach would like to have as many boaters as possible show up to support this bill. RBAW supports this bill and it's intent. There may be discussions to amend the bill for word smithing purposes to clarify the term "teak surfing", but all for the better. Clearly this is a bill all boating safety organizations should have interest in and your participation at the hearing would be welcomed by the bill's supporters. RBAW plans to be there on the 1st. If anybody else can make it and needs further information, directions, etc. please let me know. If you want to testify PRO, you can say a few words why you or your organization likes the bill. Otherwise, you can just sign in PRO "not wanting to testify". Thanks and let me know if any questions. ~David Kutz RBAW President |
Bill to ban "teak surfing" introduced in WA State
On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 06:53:26 -0500, Reggie Smithers
wrote: wrote: This memo is being sent to WAMBE & RBAW members because of your interest in boating safety. If you would like off this list, please let me know. Senator Pam Roach has sponsored Senate Bill 6364 to ban "teak surfing". She was prompted by one of her constituent organizations, the East Pierce County Fire and Rescue. This agency had dealt with two tragic deaths on Lake Tapps due to teak surfing. For info on bill language go to: http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=6364 The hearing for this bill is on February 1st in Olympia. Unfortunately it's at 8 AM, however Sen. Roach would like to have as many boaters as possible show up to support this bill. RBAW supports this bill and it's intent. There may be discussions to amend the bill for word smithing purposes to clarify the term "teak surfing", but all for the better. Clearly this is a bill all boating safety organizations should have interest in and your participation at the hearing would be welcomed by the bill's supporters. RBAW plans to be there on the 1st. If anybody else can make it and needs further information, directions, etc. please let me know. If you want to testify PRO, you can say a few words why you or your organization likes the bill. Otherwise, you can just sign in PRO "not wanting to testify". Thanks and let me know if any questions. ~David Kutz RBAW President Chuck, I am concerned that the State of Washington is trying to override Darwin's theories. One should not mess with Mother Nature. I'll bite. What the hell is 'teak surfing'? -- John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
Bill to ban "teak surfing" introduced in WA State
Senator Pam Roach has sponsored Senate Bill 6364 to ban "teak surfing".
She was prompted by one of her constituent organizations, the East Pierce County Fire and Rescue. This agency had dealt with two tragic deaths on Lake Tapps due to teak surfing. Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: oh for petes sake - another do-gooder who wants to save people from themselves. No, they want to give people more tickets. do they seriously think a law is going to stop this type of activity? ill bet there is a fine attached to this - just another revenue raiser for the state. another useless piece of legislation. If it raises revenue, then how can it be useless? I say let them give expensive tickets to stupid & destructive people, then they can lower my taxes. DSK |
Bill to ban "teak surfing" introduced in WA State
"JohnH" wrote in message
... I'll bite. What the hell is 'teak surfing'? -- John H People grab onto the swim platform, often teak, and hang on as the boat pulls them through the water. They're breathing fumes, so they sometimes get carbon monoxide poisoning. If we're lucky and they're kids, they die and their parents are less likely to reproduce again. The wife blames the husband for doing something so stupid. She divorces him. Because of the alimony, he can't afford the boat any more, so one less moron is out there in a boat. |
Bill to ban "teak surfing" introduced in WA State
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On 25 Jan 2006 19:16:40 -0800, wrote: Senator Pam Roach has sponsored Senate Bill 6364 to ban "teak surfing". She was prompted by one of her constituent organizations, the East Pierce County Fire and Rescue. This agency had dealt with two tragic deaths on Lake Tapps due to teak surfing. oh for petes sake - another do-gooder who wants to save people from themselves. do they seriously think a law is going to stop this type of activity? ill bet there is a fine attached to this - just another revenue raiser for the state. another useless piece of legislation. Actually, not just "another piece of useless legislation" designed to generate fines. Right now, if a cop sees some 16 year old kid running a boat while some 14 or 15 year old is teak surfing, about all the cop can do is pull them over and give them a lecture about safety. Of course once the cop is out of sight, the allure of teak surfing is immediately tripled, because not only is it some sort of fun, but now it's also borderline dangerous *and* it ****es off the cops. If there's a law, the cops can go as far as arresting the operator, if need be, to see that the teak surfing stops. There's a difference between being mentally defective ("should be removed from the gene pool") and uninformed. A lot of teak surfers are probably kids who don't ordinarily spend a lot of time around boats, and when "all" their friends are doing it they just assume it's a normal activity. Here's hoping you never answer a knock on your door to learn that a kid or a grandkid was killed while doing something others would consider "stupid". My bet is that the last thought to cross your mind would be, "Oh, well. If they were that stupid they didn't deserve to live in the first place and it's a good thing they died before they could reproduce." We're talking actual lives here, not some abstract talk show platitude. |
Bill to ban "teak surfing" introduced in WA State
On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:20:32 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: JohnH wrote: On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 06:53:26 -0500, Reggie Smithers wrote: wrote: This memo is being sent to WAMBE & RBAW members because of your interest in boating safety. If you would like off this list, please let me know. Senator Pam Roach has sponsored Senate Bill 6364 to ban "teak surfing". She was prompted by one of her constituent organizations, the East Pierce County Fire and Rescue. This agency had dealt with two tragic deaths on Lake Tapps due to teak surfing. For info on bill language go to: http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=6364 The hearing for this bill is on February 1st in Olympia. Unfortunately it's at 8 AM, however Sen. Roach would like to have as many boaters as possible show up to support this bill. RBAW supports this bill and it's intent. There may be discussions to amend the bill for word smithing purposes to clarify the term "teak surfing", but all for the better. Clearly this is a bill all boating safety organizations should have interest in and your participation at the hearing would be welcomed by the bill's supporters. RBAW plans to be there on the 1st. If anybody else can make it and needs further information, directions, etc. please let me know. If you want to testify PRO, you can say a few words why you or your organization likes the bill. Otherwise, you can just sign in PRO "not wanting to testify". Thanks and let me know if any questions. ~David Kutz RBAW President Chuck, I am concerned that the State of Washington is trying to override Darwin's theories. One should not mess with Mother Nature. I'll bite. What the hell is 'teak surfing'? -- John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** Hanging onto the swim platform and body surfing while the boat is pulling you. You can die by inhaling engine fumes, and I suppose you can also have a prop encounter. Stupid is as stupid does. Thanks. -- John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
Bill to ban "teak surfing" introduced in WA State
I'll bite. What the hell is 'teak surfing'? -- An activity usually done by young wakeboarding types, although often in the presence of folks much older that you would assume to be wiser as well. You would be wrong about that assumption. The name comes from the material that swim platforms tend to be made of that are attached to competition style wakeboarding and ski boats that are oh so in vogue these days. These types of boats are most commonly used for teak surfing, although theoretically any powerboat could get the job done with equally disastrous results. The activity involves hanging on to the swim platform with both hands while in the water. The helmsman then brings the boat up to a slow plane, and the "surfer" then body surfs as he hangs on for dear life to the swim platform. Unfortunately, dear life often is fleeting as a result of this exercise, due to two complications that seem to evade any premonition of their consequences by all participants involved. First, the teak surfer's nostrils are usually no more than about 24 inches away from the through transom exhaust ports that the above mentioned type of boats tend to sport. You will recall that said boat is now at speed, spewing copious amounts of carbon monoxide in the general direction of the surfer's nostrils. Second, the wearing of a PFD tends to munge the flow of water under to soon to be stone cold body of the surfer, thereby hindering the body surfacing experience. Therefore, teak surfing and the wearing of a PFD are mutually exclusive. This tends to make the inevitable consequence of complication #1, namely unconsciousness, even more problematic as the surfer tends to go directly to the bottom, depriving all aboard any opportunity to get a good look at his blue self. It also tends to make recovery of the surfer a real bitch, usually best left to a professional dive team. Now some may consider this sequence of events a genuine tragedy, and others may look at it as a natural freshening of the gene pool. But there is an unfortunate side effect of this nonsense that I believe we all would agree is tragic. Since the perpetrators/victims of teak surfing (call 'em as you see 'em) are typical Americans, there is a compulsory denial of self responsibility for their actions. Surely the fault lies elsewhere, rather than with the owner/operator of the boat or the person lying on the bottom of the lake. And who better to find the true bearer of this guilt than a personal injury attorney? Not surprising, and without exception, the PI attorney's keen sense of smell for dollars always leads directly to the door of the marine industry. This has resulted in numerous lawsuits against the companies that manufacture the boats and motors that the rest of seem to enjoy on a regular basis without loss of life. One grieving and vengeful mother of a deceased young surfer publicly decried that the marine industry was in the business of making "murder machines". There are two immediate results of these lawsuits. First, the tremendous cost of defending them gets passed along to the consumer in the form of higher prices. Second the next new boat you buy will be plastered with ugly and obnoxious stickers everywhere, warning of the dangers of carbon monoxide poisoning as well as hanging on to the swim platform of a boat under way. I am not making any of this up. It's the real deal. |
Bill to ban "teak surfing" introduced in WA State
wrote in message ups.com... Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On 25 Jan 2006 19:16:40 -0800, wrote: Senator Pam Roach has sponsored Senate Bill 6364 to ban "teak surfing". She was prompted by one of her constituent organizations, the East Pierce County Fire and Rescue. This agency had dealt with two tragic deaths on Lake Tapps due to teak surfing. oh for petes sake - another do-gooder who wants to save people from themselves. do they seriously think a law is going to stop this type of activity? ill bet there is a fine attached to this - just another revenue raiser for the state. another useless piece of legislation. Actually, not just "another piece of useless legislation" designed to generate fines. Right now, if a cop sees some 16 year old kid running a boat while some 14 or 15 year old is teak surfing, about all the cop can do is pull them over and give them a lecture about safety. Of course once the cop is out of sight, the allure of teak surfing is immediately tripled, because not only is it some sort of fun, but now it's also borderline dangerous *and* it ****es off the cops. If there's a law, the cops can go as far as arresting the operator, if need be, to see that the teak surfing stops. There's a difference between being mentally defective ("should be removed from the gene pool") and uninformed. A lot of teak surfers are probably kids who don't ordinarily spend a lot of time around boats, and when "all" their friends are doing it they just assume it's a normal activity. Here's hoping you never answer a knock on your door to learn that a kid or a grandkid was killed while doing something others would consider "stupid". My bet is that the last thought to cross your mind would be, "Oh, well. If they were that stupid they didn't deserve to live in the first place and it's a good thing they died before they could reproduce." We're talking actual lives here, not some abstract talk show platitude. Very well said. Also it is going to protect the marine industry from bounty hunter lawsuits. If you are breaking the law, will be harder to collect for the persons stupidity or ignorance. |
Bill to ban "teak surfing" introduced in WA State
"Fred Dehl" wrote in message ... wrote in ups.com: Right now, if a cop sees some 16 year old kid running a boat while some 14 or 15 year old is teak surfing... Here's hoping you never answer a knock on your door to learn that a kid or a grandkid was killed while doing something others would consider "stupid". Why would I permit unsupervised minors to operate a boat? Happens all the time. However, excluding jet skis for the moment, I actually see more dangerous things done by so-called adults. |
Bill to ban "teak surfing" introduced in WA State
Fred Dehl wrote: wrote in ups.com: Right now, if a cop sees some 16 year old kid running a boat while some 14 or 15 year old is teak surfing... Here's hoping you never answer a knock on your door to learn that a kid or a grandkid was killed while doing something others would consider "stupid". Why would I permit unsupervised minors to operate a boat? You're very lucky if your kids come to you, or came to you, for permission before doing anything. We see kids that look too young to drive a car out tooling around in 16-20 foot ski boats rather often. Partcularly on Lake Washington, where a lot of wealthy families live along the shore, keep boats in slips, and it isn't even unusual for the kids to have their "own" boats. The situation is perhaps a bit similar up at Lake Tapps, where the two deaths used in the example occured. Upper end suburban community, most households need two incomes to make the mortgage payments and the car notes, teenagers home alone all day in the summer, boat just sitting in the slip, folks tell their high school age kids it's OK to go water skiing,........... |
Bill to ban "teak surfing" introduced in WA State
"Fred Dehl" wrote in message ... wrote in ups.com: Right now, if a cop sees some 16 year old kid running a boat while some 14 or 15 year old is teak surfing... Here's hoping you never answer a knock on your door to learn that a kid or a grandkid was killed while doing something others would consider "stupid". Why would I permit unsupervised minors to operate a boat? A 16 year old can go drive the car without an adult in it. Most of the teak surfing deaths are probably the 18-30's. And I and my friends got to drive the boats with out adults aboard 45-50 years ago, and few did not survive the experience. First fatal accident I saw, was a 25 year old drunk, that left the dock full throttle in a Vee drive and ran over a couple in a small fishing boat while still in the 5 mph zone. |
Bill to ban "teak surfing" introduced in WA State
wrote in message ups.com... Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On 25 Jan 2006 19:16:40 -0800, wrote: Senator Pam Roach has sponsored Senate Bill 6364 to ban "teak surfing". She was prompted by one of her constituent organizations, the East Pierce County Fire and Rescue. This agency had dealt with two tragic deaths on Lake Tapps due to teak surfing. oh for petes sake - another do-gooder who wants to save people from themselves. do they seriously think a law is going to stop this type of activity? ill bet there is a fine attached to this - just another revenue raiser for the state. another useless piece of legislation. Actually, not just "another piece of useless legislation" designed to generate fines. Right now, if a cop sees some 16 year old kid running a boat while some 14 or 15 year old is teak surfing, about all the cop can do is pull them over and give them a lecture about safety. Of course once the cop is out of sight, the allure of teak surfing is immediately tripled, because not only is it some sort of fun, but now it's also borderline dangerous *and* it ****es off the cops. If there's a law, the cops can go as far as arresting the operator, if need be, to see that the teak surfing stops. There's a difference between being mentally defective ("should be removed from the gene pool") and uninformed. A lot of teak surfers are probably kids who don't ordinarily spend a lot of time around boats, and when "all" their friends are doing it they just assume it's a normal activity. Here's hoping you never answer a knock on your door to learn that a kid or a grandkid was killed while doing something others would consider "stupid". My bet is that the last thought to cross your mind would be, "Oh, well. If they were that stupid they didn't deserve to live in the first place and it's a good thing they died before they could reproduce." We're talking actual lives here, not some abstract talk show platitude. The biggest problem the state of Washington has is it's full time legislature. Washingtonians should adopt Oregon's model....meet every other summer. Since our summers are so short, legislators are in a rush to finish the job and get home. Net result is efficiency....no time for nonsense. -Greg |
Bill to ban "teak surfing" introduced in WA State
"Dene" wrote in message ... wrote in message ups.com... Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On 25 Jan 2006 19:16:40 -0800, wrote: Senator Pam Roach has sponsored Senate Bill 6364 to ban "teak surfing". She was prompted by one of her constituent organizations, the East Pierce County Fire and Rescue. This agency had dealt with two tragic deaths on Lake Tapps due to teak surfing. oh for petes sake - another do-gooder who wants to save people from themselves. do they seriously think a law is going to stop this type of activity? ill bet there is a fine attached to this - just another revenue raiser for the state. another useless piece of legislation. Actually, not just "another piece of useless legislation" designed to generate fines. Right now, if a cop sees some 16 year old kid running a boat while some 14 or 15 year old is teak surfing, about all the cop can do is pull them over and give them a lecture about safety. Of course once the cop is out of sight, the allure of teak surfing is immediately tripled, because not only is it some sort of fun, but now it's also borderline dangerous *and* it ****es off the cops. If there's a law, the cops can go as far as arresting the operator, if need be, to see that the teak surfing stops. There's a difference between being mentally defective ("should be removed from the gene pool") and uninformed. A lot of teak surfers are probably kids who don't ordinarily spend a lot of time around boats, and when "all" their friends are doing it they just assume it's a normal activity. Here's hoping you never answer a knock on your door to learn that a kid or a grandkid was killed while doing something others would consider "stupid". My bet is that the last thought to cross your mind would be, "Oh, well. If they were that stupid they didn't deserve to live in the first place and it's a good thing they died before they could reproduce." We're talking actual lives here, not some abstract talk show platitude. The biggest problem the state of Washington has is it's full time legislature. Washingtonians should adopt Oregon's model....meet every other summer. Since our summers are so short, legislators are in a rush to finish the job and get home. Net result is efficiency....no time for nonsense. -Greg Biggest error we made in California is letting Jessie Unruh convience us we needed a full time legislature. |
Bill to ban "teak surfing" introduced in WA State
Dene wrote: The biggest problem the state of Washington has is it's full time legislature. Washingtonians should adopt Oregon's model....meet every other summer. Since our summers are so short, legislators are in a rush to finish the job and get home. Net result is efficiency....no time for nonsense. -Greg We don't have a full time legislature. The legislature meets for a few weeks each spring, (usually out of session by March or April), and the legislators earn about $30,000 per year- (if I recall correctly). For most of the lawyers, business execs, etc who are serving in the legislature $10,000 a month is a pretty serious pay cut- not to mention how it their absence messes up a professional practice or a business. Do you feel there should not be a law against teak sufing? |
Bill to ban "teak surfing" introduced in WA State
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On 26 Jan 2006 07:48:05 -0800, wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On 25 Jan 2006 19:16:40 -0800, wrote: Senator Pam Roach has sponsored Senate Bill 6364 to ban "teak surfing". She was prompted by one of her constituent organizations, the East Pierce County Fire and Rescue. This agency had dealt with two tragic deaths on Lake Tapps due to teak surfing. oh for petes sake - another do-gooder who wants to save people from themselves. do they seriously think a law is going to stop this type of activity? ill bet there is a fine attached to this - just another revenue raiser for the state. another useless piece of legislation. Actually, not just "another piece of useless legislation" designed to generate fines. Right now, if a cop sees some 16 year old kid running a boat while some 14 or 15 year old is teak surfing, about all the cop can do is pull them over and give them a lecture about safety. Of course once the cop is out of sight, the allure of teak surfing is immediately tripled, because not only is it some sort of fun, but now it's also borderline dangerous *and* it ****es off the cops. If there's a law, the cops can go as far as arresting the operator, if need be, to see that the teak surfing stops. There's a difference between being mentally defective ("should be removed from the gene pool") and uninformed. A lot of teak surfers are probably kids who don't ordinarily spend a lot of time around boats, and when "all" their friends are doing it they just assume it's a normal activity. Here's hoping you never answer a knock on your door to learn that a kid or a grandkid was killed while doing something others would consider "stupid". My bet is that the last thought to cross your mind would be, "Oh, well. If they were that stupid they didn't deserve to live in the first place and it's a good thing they died before they could reproduce." We're talking actual lives here, not some abstract talk show platitude. there are laws against drink operating - less than 10% of people operating a boat drunk are caught. there are laws concerning the operation of boats by those under 16 - i can't tell you how many 12 to 16 yo kids i see on pwcs and pwc type boats operating in state parks of all things - theres a law against that too. oh, lets talk about operating with kids aboard w/o life preservers - theres a law about that i think. its still saving people from themselves. whats next - no bungee jumping? sky diving? snowboarding? soccer? baseball? people get seriously injured in those sports all the time - in particular soccer where serious knee/ankle and head injuries occur on a regular basis. bungee jumping, sky diving, snowboarding, soccer, baseball etc are all ordinarily survivable. sucking in CO fumes almost directly from the exhaust port usuallly is not. it is what it is chuck - just another grandstand play by some small time politician making a name for themselves under the guise of public safety. its bull**** of the first order and just another way to produce revenue along the way. |
Bill to ban "teak surfing" introduced in WA State
wrote in message oups.com... Dene wrote: The biggest problem the state of Washington has is it's full time legislature. Washingtonians should adopt Oregon's model....meet every other summer. Since our summers are so short, legislators are in a rush to finish the job and get home. Net result is efficiency....no time for nonsense. -Greg We don't have a full time legislature. The legislature meets for a few weeks each spring, (usually out of session by March or April), and the legislators earn about $30,000 per year- (if I recall correctly). For most of the lawyers, business execs, etc who are serving in the legislature $10,000 a month is a pretty serious pay cut- not to mention how it their absence messes up a professional practice or a business. I stand corrected. Your legislature should meet every other year. ; Do you feel there should not be a law against teak sufing? Honestly....I have no idea. -Greg |
Bill to ban "teak surfing" introduced in WA State
wrote:
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On 26 Jan 2006 07:48:05 -0800, wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On 25 Jan 2006 19:16:40 -0800, wrote: Senator Pam Roach has sponsored Senate Bill 6364 to ban "teak surfing". She was prompted by one of her constituent organizations, the East Pierce County Fire and Rescue. This agency had dealt with two tragic deaths on Lake Tapps due to teak surfing. oh for petes sake - another do-gooder who wants to save people from themselves. do they seriously think a law is going to stop this type of activity? ill bet there is a fine attached to this - just another revenue raiser for the state. another useless piece of legislation. Actually, not just "another piece of useless legislation" designed to generate fines. Right now, if a cop sees some 16 year old kid running a boat while some 14 or 15 year old is teak surfing, about all the cop can do is pull them over and give them a lecture about safety. Of course once the cop is out of sight, the allure of teak surfing is immediately tripled, because not only is it some sort of fun, but now it's also borderline dangerous *and* it ****es off the cops. If there's a law, the cops can go as far as arresting the operator, if need be, to see that the teak surfing stops. There's a difference between being mentally defective ("should be removed from the gene pool") and uninformed. A lot of teak surfers are probably kids who don't ordinarily spend a lot of time around boats, and when "all" their friends are doing it they just assume it's a normal activity. Here's hoping you never answer a knock on your door to learn that a kid or a grandkid was killed while doing something others would consider "stupid". My bet is that the last thought to cross your mind would be, "Oh, well. If they were that stupid they didn't deserve to live in the first place and it's a good thing they died before they could reproduce." We're talking actual lives here, not some abstract talk show platitude. there are laws against drink operating - less than 10% of people operating a boat drunk are caught. there are laws concerning the operation of boats by those under 16 - i can't tell you how many 12 to 16 yo kids i see on pwcs and pwc type boats operating in state parks of all things - theres a law against that too. oh, lets talk about operating with kids aboard w/o life preservers - theres a law about that i think. its still saving people from themselves. whats next - no bungee jumping? sky diving? snowboarding? soccer? baseball? people get seriously injured in those sports all the time - in particular soccer where serious knee/ankle and head injuries occur on a regular basis. bungee jumping, sky diving, snowboarding, soccer, baseball etc are all ordinarily survivable. sucking in CO fumes almost directly from the exhaust port usuallly is not. it is what it is chuck - just another grandstand play by some small time politician making a name for themselves under the guise of public safety. its bull**** of the first order and just another way to produce revenue along the way. Chuck, The reason teak surfing is popular is very few people who do it are killed or end up in the hospital. If 25% - 50% of the people who teak surfed died, it would no longer be popular. Yes there are some who do die or go to the hospital, but the vast majority survive, and if the CO damages brain cells, they are too stupid to realize it. I really don't care if they make it illegal, but any parent who owned a boat and did not let the kids know the danger is just as dumb as the kids. Drugs are illegal and they are still used and abused. I for one wished they would legalize all drugs. All illegal drugs do is create a very profitable business for criminals, force drug users to commit crimes to support their expensive habits and divert police resources to fight a war we will never win. It didn't work for alcohol, it isn't working for drugs. Making Teak Surfing illegal will not eliminate teak surfing anymore than making drugs illegal eliminated drug abuse. -- Reggie ************************************************** ************* That's my story and I am sticking to it. ************************************************** ************* |
Bill to ban "teak surfing" introduced in WA State
"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
. .. I for one wished they would legalize all drugs. All illegal drugs do is create a very profitable business for criminals, force drug users to commit crimes to support their expensive habits and divert police resources to fight a war we will never win. It didn't work for alcohol, it isn't working for drugs. Criminals don't make the laws. You need to look beyond them to understand why drugs are illegal. It has to benefit *someone* financially. Typically, that would be our legislators. |
Bill to ban "teak surfing" introduced in WA State
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Doug Kanter wrote: "Reggie Smithers" wrote in message . .. I for one wished they would legalize all drugs. All illegal drugs do is create a very profitable business for criminals, force drug users to commit crimes to support their expensive habits and divert police resources to fight a war we will never win. It didn't work for alcohol, it isn't working for drugs. Criminals don't make the laws. You need to look beyond them to understand why drugs are illegal. It has to benefit *someone* financially. Typically, that would be our legislators. I wouldn't "legalize" all drugs, but I'd sure support decriminalization for possession of small amounts and for use. There are some drugs out there that are just too potent and cause too much damage to be in anyone's possession. One example is crystal meth. Oh please....hard liquor will wreck your body if used incorrectly. My brother in law tried to stop his heavy drinking without medical assistance. Apparently, the DTs can reach a point where they're like grand mal seizures. In his case, it stopped his heart. He was found dead in a cheap motel room. 45 years old, IIRC. |
Bill to ban "teak surfing" introduced in WA State
Oh please....hard liquor will wreck your body if used incorrectly.
Sure, use the excuse that since that's already legal then it oughta be OK for more. Puh-leeze. He was found dead in a cheap motel room. 45 years old, IIRC. Thus voting himself off the island. |
Bill to ban "teak surfing" introduced in WA State
"Bill Kearney" wrote in message t... Oh please....hard liquor will wreck your body if used incorrectly. Sure, use the excuse that since that's already legal then it oughta be OK for more. Puh-leeze. It's pretty obvious to emergency room doctors that keeping these drugs illegal doesn't do much to keep them out of the hands of people who want them. Here's a true or false issue for you: The primary effect of making drugs illegal is to create an environment of violence surrounding the trafficking in these drugs, which is more dangerous to the public than the drugs themselves. |
Bill to ban "teak surfing" introduced in WA State
Doug Kanter wrote:
"Bill Kearney" wrote in message t... Oh please....hard liquor will wreck your body if used incorrectly. Sure, use the excuse that since that's already legal then it oughta be OK for more. Puh-leeze. It's pretty obvious to emergency room doctors that keeping these drugs illegal doesn't do much to keep them out of the hands of people who want them. Here's a true or false issue for you: The primary effect of making drugs illegal is to create an environment of violence surrounding the trafficking in these drugs, which is more dangerous to the public than the drugs themselves. Since many drugs are delivered to US shores via boats, I think this is an on topic discussion so I will answer the question. True. -- Reggie ************************************************** ************* That's my story and I am sticking to it. ************************************************** ************* |
Bill to ban "teak surfing" introduced in WA State
"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message . .. wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On 26 Jan 2006 07:48:05 -0800, wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On 25 Jan 2006 19:16:40 -0800, wrote: Senator Pam Roach has sponsored Senate Bill 6364 to ban "teak surfing". She was prompted by one of her constituent organizations, the East Pierce County Fire and Rescue. This agency had dealt with two tragic deaths on Lake Tapps due to teak surfing. oh for petes sake - another do-gooder who wants to save people from themselves. do they seriously think a law is going to stop this type of activity? ill bet there is a fine attached to this - just another revenue raiser for the state. another useless piece of legislation. Actually, not just "another piece of useless legislation" designed to generate fines. Right now, if a cop sees some 16 year old kid running a boat while some 14 or 15 year old is teak surfing, about all the cop can do is pull them over and give them a lecture about safety. Of course once the cop is out of sight, the allure of teak surfing is immediately tripled, because not only is it some sort of fun, but now it's also borderline dangerous *and* it ****es off the cops. If there's a law, the cops can go as far as arresting the operator, if need be, to see that the teak surfing stops. There's a difference between being mentally defective ("should be removed from the gene pool") and uninformed. A lot of teak surfers are probably kids who don't ordinarily spend a lot of time around boats, and when "all" their friends are doing it they just assume it's a normal activity. Here's hoping you never answer a knock on your door to learn that a kid or a grandkid was killed while doing something others would consider "stupid". My bet is that the last thought to cross your mind would be, "Oh, well. If they were that stupid they didn't deserve to live in the first place and it's a good thing they died before they could reproduce." We're talking actual lives here, not some abstract talk show platitude. there are laws against drink operating - less than 10% of people operating a boat drunk are caught. there are laws concerning the operation of boats by those under 16 - i can't tell you how many 12 to 16 yo kids i see on pwcs and pwc type boats operating in state parks of all things - theres a law against that too. oh, lets talk about operating with kids aboard w/o life preservers - theres a law about that i think. its still saving people from themselves. whats next - no bungee jumping? sky diving? snowboarding? soccer? baseball? people get seriously injured in those sports all the time - in particular soccer where serious knee/ankle and head injuries occur on a regular basis. bungee jumping, sky diving, snowboarding, soccer, baseball etc are all ordinarily survivable. sucking in CO fumes almost directly from the exhaust port usuallly is not. it is what it is chuck - just another grandstand play by some small time politician making a name for themselves under the guise of public safety. its bull**** of the first order and just another way to produce revenue along the way. Chuck, The reason teak surfing is popular is very few people who do it are killed or end up in the hospital. If 25% - 50% of the people who teak surfed died, it would no longer be popular. Yes there are some who do die or go to the hospital, but the vast majority survive, and if the CO damages brain cells, they are too stupid to realize it. I really don't care if they make it illegal, but any parent who owned a boat and did not let the kids know the danger is just as dumb as the kids. Drugs are illegal and they are still used and abused. I for one wished they would legalize all drugs. All illegal drugs do is create a very profitable business for criminals, force drug users to commit crimes to support their expensive habits and divert police resources to fight a war we will never win. It didn't work for alcohol, it isn't working for drugs. It also make for a bigger class of criminals, once convicted, the guvmint gets more and more control over you. Making Teak Surfing illegal will not eliminate teak surfing anymore than making drugs illegal eliminated drug abuse. -- Reggie ************************************************** ************* That's my story and I am sticking to it. ************************************************** ************* |
Bill to ban "teak surfing" introduced in WA State
On 26 Jan 2006 19:33:09 -0800, wrote:
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On 26 Jan 2006 07:48:05 -0800, wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On 25 Jan 2006 19:16:40 -0800, wrote: Senator Pam Roach has sponsored Senate Bill 6364 to ban "teak surfing". She was prompted by one of her constituent organizations, the East Pierce County Fire and Rescue. This agency had dealt with two tragic deaths on Lake Tapps due to teak surfing. oh for petes sake - another do-gooder who wants to save people from themselves. do they seriously think a law is going to stop this type of activity? ill bet there is a fine attached to this - just another revenue raiser for the state. another useless piece of legislation. Actually, not just "another piece of useless legislation" designed to generate fines. Right now, if a cop sees some 16 year old kid running a boat while some 14 or 15 year old is teak surfing, about all the cop can do is pull them over and give them a lecture about safety. Of course once the cop is out of sight, the allure of teak surfing is immediately tripled, because not only is it some sort of fun, but now it's also borderline dangerous *and* it ****es off the cops. If there's a law, the cops can go as far as arresting the operator, if need be, to see that the teak surfing stops. There's a difference between being mentally defective ("should be removed from the gene pool") and uninformed. A lot of teak surfers are probably kids who don't ordinarily spend a lot of time around boats, and when "all" their friends are doing it they just assume it's a normal activity. Here's hoping you never answer a knock on your door to learn that a kid or a grandkid was killed while doing something others would consider "stupid". My bet is that the last thought to cross your mind would be, "Oh, well. If they were that stupid they didn't deserve to live in the first place and it's a good thing they died before they could reproduce." We're talking actual lives here, not some abstract talk show platitude. there are laws against drink operating - less than 10% of people operating a boat drunk are caught. there are laws concerning the operation of boats by those under 16 - i can't tell you how many 12 to 16 yo kids i see on pwcs and pwc type boats operating in state parks of all things - theres a law against that too. oh, lets talk about operating with kids aboard w/o life preservers - theres a law about that i think. its still saving people from themselves. whats next - no bungee jumping? sky diving? snowboarding? soccer? baseball? people get seriously injured in those sports all the time - in particular soccer where serious knee/ankle and head injuries occur on a regular basis. bungee jumping, sky diving, snowboarding, soccer, baseball etc are all ordinarily survivable. sucking in CO fumes almost directly from the exhaust port usuallly is not. it is what it is chuck - just another grandstand play by some small time politician making a name for themselves under the guise of public safety. its bull**** of the first order and just another way to produce revenue along the way. Chuck - I haven't forgotten the peanuts. It's just that the boiled ones are a little harder to come by then I thought. I'm going down to Richmond tomorrow to see the daughter. Hopefully I'll be able to pick 'em up there. -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
Bill to ban "teak surfing" introduced in WA State
Reggie Smithers wrote: .. Chuck, The reason teak surfing is popular is very few people who do it are killed or end up in the hospital. If 25% - 50% of the people who teak surfed died, it would no longer be popular. Yes there are some who do die or go to the hospital, but the vast majority survive, and if the CO damages brain cells, they are too stupid to realize it. I really don't care if they make it illegal, but any parent who owned a boat and did not let the kids know the danger is just as dumb as the kids. Drugs are illegal and they are still used and abused. I for one wished they would legalize all drugs. All illegal drugs do is create a very profitable business for criminals, force drug users to commit crimes to support their expensive habits and divert police resources to fight a war we will never win. It didn't work for alcohol, it isn't working for drugs. Making Teak Surfing illegal will not eliminate teak surfing anymore than making drugs illegal eliminated drug abuse. -- Reggie Using your drug analogy: When was the last time you heard of a syringe manufacturer being sued by the surviving family of an OD'd addict because some junkie used the rig to shoot himself to death? You don't- and the reason is because the use of heroin is illegal. Manufacturers and insurance companies usually aren't liable for damages done to people who are not only using the product unwisely, but illegally. (That's been the central argument in a lot of successful defenses by firearms companies as well). Without a law against teak surfing, a lot of these ignorant parents will go to court after a son or daughter is killed by the activity and a lot of ignorant judges and juries will award millions or hundreds of millions of dollars damages. We will all see that in our insurance bills, it might even result in the redesign of boat exhaust....(how about a 7-foot vertical dry stack on every runabout? how about the elimination of swim platforms entirely?)....and the greatest impact of these idiots sucking in exhaust while hanging onto a swim platform will be the cumulative effect on the rest of society rather than the tragic death of an uninformed or reckless kid. If you can't support making it illegal so that law enforcement can force the activity to stop when observed and save a few lives along the way, perhaps you might consider supporting such a law to save the rest of the boating public a lot of money and additional government interference in the pastime. A law against teak surfing only affects those idiots who want to do it. And their friends and families. A bunch of them will do it anyway, (and their deaths will be a tragedy), but if they're doing something illegal when they die it is less likely to blow back on the legal and comparatively safe aspects of the pastime that are enjoyed by millions. Pros: 1. A few deaths might be prevented by law enforcement 2. It will make it harder to sue boat manufacturers 3. Less chance of unnecessary and goofy mandatory boat modifications Cons: There will be a new law that restricts a dangerous behavior that isn't constitutionally protected and that you, I, and 99% of people would never consider engaging in, anyway. |
Bill to ban "teak surfing" introduced in WA State
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On 26 Jan 2006 19:33:09 -0800, wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On 26 Jan 2006 07:48:05 -0800, wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On 25 Jan 2006 19:16:40 -0800, wrote: Senator Pam Roach has sponsored Senate Bill 6364 to ban "teak surfing". She was prompted by one of her constituent organizations, the East Pierce County Fire and Rescue. This agency had dealt with two tragic deaths on Lake Tapps due to teak surfing. oh for petes sake - another do-gooder who wants to save people from themselves. do they seriously think a law is going to stop this type of activity? ill bet there is a fine attached to this - just another revenue raiser for the state. another useless piece of legislation. Actually, not just "another piece of useless legislation" designed to generate fines. Right now, if a cop sees some 16 year old kid running a boat while some 14 or 15 year old is teak surfing, about all the cop can do is pull them over and give them a lecture about safety. Of course once the cop is out of sight, the allure of teak surfing is immediately tripled, because not only is it some sort of fun, but now it's also borderline dangerous *and* it ****es off the cops. If there's a law, the cops can go as far as arresting the operator, if need be, to see that the teak surfing stops. There's a difference between being mentally defective ("should be removed from the gene pool") and uninformed. A lot of teak surfers are probably kids who don't ordinarily spend a lot of time around boats, and when "all" their friends are doing it they just assume it's a normal activity. Here's hoping you never answer a knock on your door to learn that a kid or a grandkid was killed while doing something others would consider "stupid". My bet is that the last thought to cross your mind would be, "Oh, well. If they were that stupid they didn't deserve to live in the first place and it's a good thing they died before they could reproduce." We're talking actual lives here, not some abstract talk show platitude. there are laws against drink operating - less than 10% of people operating a boat drunk are caught. there are laws concerning the operation of boats by those under 16 - i can't tell you how many 12 to 16 yo kids i see on pwcs and pwc type boats operating in state parks of all things - theres a law against that too. oh, lets talk about operating with kids aboard w/o life preservers - theres a law about that i think. its still saving people from themselves. whats next - no bungee jumping? sky diving? snowboarding? soccer? baseball? people get seriously injured in those sports all the time - in particular soccer where serious knee/ankle and head injuries occur on a regular basis. bungee jumping, sky diving, snowboarding, soccer, baseball etc are all ordinarily survivable. sucking in CO fumes almost directly from the exhaust port usuallly is not. teak surfing is ordinarily survivable too. bum argument. Let's say that 1% of teak surfers die and another 10% of repeat teak surfers are permanently impaired. Probably about the same impairment percentage associated with the repeated huffing and sniffing of glues and aerosols. Deaths to baseball and soccer players are almost unheard of. If 1% of snowboarders died, there would be 2-3 deaths at even a moderate ski resort every day, all winter. With the possible exception of bungee jumping, those are all organized sports with rules and regulations imposed for safe and proper use of the equipment. Example: When playing baseball it would be a lot easier to steal bases if the players weren't required to surrender the bat after hitting the ball. I player A is trying to slide into 2nd and player B is standing next to the bag ready to tag him with the ball, player A might avoid the tag if he had the option to beat player B senseless with the bat. We could just give everybody a club and let them whack each other's brians out, (might improve ticket sales).............or we can have some "rules" that make the sport safe and enjoyable for players and spectators alike. If baseball was not self-regulating, there would be laws of all types in place dictating how two rival groups of guys, drinking beer on a Saturday afternoon, would play together while throwing solid objects around at high speeds and swinging clubs. Teak surfing is not self regualting, and waiting for all the idiots to die is not the best course to take, IMO. |
Bill to ban "teak surfing" introduced in WA State
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Bill to ban "teak surfing" introduced in WA State
JohnH wrote: On 26 Jan 2006 19:33:09 -0800, wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On 26 Jan 2006 07:48:05 -0800, wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On 25 Jan 2006 19:16:40 -0800, wrote: Senator Pam Roach has sponsored Senate Bill 6364 to ban "teak surfing". She was prompted by one of her constituent organizations, the East Pierce County Fire and Rescue. This agency had dealt with two tragic deaths on Lake Tapps due to teak surfing. oh for petes sake - another do-gooder who wants to save people from themselves. do they seriously think a law is going to stop this type of activity? ill bet there is a fine attached to this - just another revenue raiser for the state. another useless piece of legislation. Actually, not just "another piece of useless legislation" designed to generate fines. Right now, if a cop sees some 16 year old kid running a boat while some 14 or 15 year old is teak surfing, about all the cop can do is pull them over and give them a lecture about safety. Of course once the cop is out of sight, the allure of teak surfing is immediately tripled, because not only is it some sort of fun, but now it's also borderline dangerous *and* it ****es off the cops. If there's a law, the cops can go as far as arresting the operator, if need be, to see that the teak surfing stops. There's a difference between being mentally defective ("should be removed from the gene pool") and uninformed. A lot of teak surfers are probably kids who don't ordinarily spend a lot of time around boats, and when "all" their friends are doing it they just assume it's a normal activity. Here's hoping you never answer a knock on your door to learn that a kid or a grandkid was killed while doing something others would consider "stupid". My bet is that the last thought to cross your mind would be, "Oh, well. If they were that stupid they didn't deserve to live in the first place and it's a good thing they died before they could reproduce." We're talking actual lives here, not some abstract talk show platitude. there are laws against drink operating - less than 10% of people operating a boat drunk are caught. there are laws concerning the operation of boats by those under 16 - i can't tell you how many 12 to 16 yo kids i see on pwcs and pwc type boats operating in state parks of all things - theres a law against that too. oh, lets talk about operating with kids aboard w/o life preservers - theres a law about that i think. its still saving people from themselves. whats next - no bungee jumping? sky diving? snowboarding? soccer? baseball? people get seriously injured in those sports all the time - in particular soccer where serious knee/ankle and head injuries occur on a regular basis. bungee jumping, sky diving, snowboarding, soccer, baseball etc are all ordinarily survivable. sucking in CO fumes almost directly from the exhaust port usuallly is not. it is what it is chuck - just another grandstand play by some small time politician making a name for themselves under the guise of public safety. its bull**** of the first order and just another way to produce revenue along the way. Chuck - I haven't forgotten the peanuts. It's just that the boiled ones are a little harder to come by then I thought. I'm going down to Richmond tomorrow to see the daughter. Hopefully I'll be able to pick 'em up there. -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** No big deal. If you want to send something other than boiled, that would be just fine. Thanks for remembering. |
Bill to ban "teak surfing" introduced in WA State
On 27 Jan 2006 12:12:33 -0800, wrote:
JohnH wrote: On 26 Jan 2006 19:33:09 -0800, wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On 26 Jan 2006 07:48:05 -0800, wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On 25 Jan 2006 19:16:40 -0800, wrote: Senator Pam Roach has sponsored Senate Bill 6364 to ban "teak surfing". She was prompted by one of her constituent organizations, the East Pierce County Fire and Rescue. This agency had dealt with two tragic deaths on Lake Tapps due to teak surfing. oh for petes sake - another do-gooder who wants to save people from themselves. do they seriously think a law is going to stop this type of activity? ill bet there is a fine attached to this - just another revenue raiser for the state. another useless piece of legislation. Actually, not just "another piece of useless legislation" designed to generate fines. Right now, if a cop sees some 16 year old kid running a boat while some 14 or 15 year old is teak surfing, about all the cop can do is pull them over and give them a lecture about safety. Of course once the cop is out of sight, the allure of teak surfing is immediately tripled, because not only is it some sort of fun, but now it's also borderline dangerous *and* it ****es off the cops. If there's a law, the cops can go as far as arresting the operator, if need be, to see that the teak surfing stops. There's a difference between being mentally defective ("should be removed from the gene pool") and uninformed. A lot of teak surfers are probably kids who don't ordinarily spend a lot of time around boats, and when "all" their friends are doing it they just assume it's a normal activity. Here's hoping you never answer a knock on your door to learn that a kid or a grandkid was killed while doing something others would consider "stupid". My bet is that the last thought to cross your mind would be, "Oh, well. If they were that stupid they didn't deserve to live in the first place and it's a good thing they died before they could reproduce." We're talking actual lives here, not some abstract talk show platitude. there are laws against drink operating - less than 10% of people operating a boat drunk are caught. there are laws concerning the operation of boats by those under 16 - i can't tell you how many 12 to 16 yo kids i see on pwcs and pwc type boats operating in state parks of all things - theres a law against that too. oh, lets talk about operating with kids aboard w/o life preservers - theres a law about that i think. its still saving people from themselves. whats next - no bungee jumping? sky diving? snowboarding? soccer? baseball? people get seriously injured in those sports all the time - in particular soccer where serious knee/ankle and head injuries occur on a regular basis. bungee jumping, sky diving, snowboarding, soccer, baseball etc are all ordinarily survivable. sucking in CO fumes almost directly from the exhaust port usuallly is not. it is what it is chuck - just another grandstand play by some small time politician making a name for themselves under the guise of public safety. its bull**** of the first order and just another way to produce revenue along the way. Chuck - I haven't forgotten the peanuts. It's just that the boiled ones are a little harder to come by then I thought. I'm going down to Richmond tomorrow to see the daughter. Hopefully I'll be able to pick 'em up there. -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** No big deal. If you want to send something other than boiled, that would be just fine. Thanks for remembering. No way. Boiled you wanted, boiled you get! -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
Bill to ban "teak surfing" introduced in WA State
JohnH wrote:
On 27 Jan 2006 12:12:33 -0800, wrote: JohnH wrote: On 26 Jan 2006 19:33:09 -0800, wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On 26 Jan 2006 07:48:05 -0800, wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On 25 Jan 2006 19:16:40 -0800, wrote: Senator Pam Roach has sponsored Senate Bill 6364 to ban "teak surfing". She was prompted by one of her constituent organizations, the East Pierce County Fire and Rescue. This agency had dealt with two tragic deaths on Lake Tapps due to teak surfing. oh for petes sake - another do-gooder who wants to save people from themselves. do they seriously think a law is going to stop this type of activity? ill bet there is a fine attached to this - just another revenue raiser for the state. another useless piece of legislation. Actually, not just "another piece of useless legislation" designed to generate fines. Right now, if a cop sees some 16 year old kid running a boat while some 14 or 15 year old is teak surfing, about all the cop can do is pull them over and give them a lecture about safety. Of course once the cop is out of sight, the allure of teak surfing is immediately tripled, because not only is it some sort of fun, but now it's also borderline dangerous *and* it ****es off the cops. If there's a law, the cops can go as far as arresting the operator, if need be, to see that the teak surfing stops. There's a difference between being mentally defective ("should be removed from the gene pool") and uninformed. A lot of teak surfers are probably kids who don't ordinarily spend a lot of time around boats, and when "all" their friends are doing it they just assume it's a normal activity. Here's hoping you never answer a knock on your door to learn that a kid or a grandkid was killed while doing something others would consider "stupid". My bet is that the last thought to cross your mind would be, "Oh, well. If they were that stupid they didn't deserve to live in the first place and it's a good thing they died before they could reproduce." We're talking actual lives here, not some abstract talk show platitude. there are laws against drink operating - less than 10% of people operating a boat drunk are caught. there are laws concerning the operation of boats by those under 16 - i can't tell you how many 12 to 16 yo kids i see on pwcs and pwc type boats operating in state parks of all things - theres a law against that too. oh, lets talk about operating with kids aboard w/o life preservers - theres a law about that i think. its still saving people from themselves. whats next - no bungee jumping? sky diving? snowboarding? soccer? baseball? people get seriously injured in those sports all the time - in particular soccer where serious knee/ankle and head injuries occur on a regular basis. bungee jumping, sky diving, snowboarding, soccer, baseball etc are all ordinarily survivable. sucking in CO fumes almost directly from the exhaust port usuallly is not. it is what it is chuck - just another grandstand play by some small time politician making a name for themselves under the guise of public safety. its bull**** of the first order and just another way to produce revenue along the way. Chuck - I haven't forgotten the peanuts. It's just that the boiled ones are a little harder to come by then I thought. I'm going down to Richmond tomorrow to see the daughter. Hopefully I'll be able to pick 'em up there. -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** No big deal. If you want to send something other than boiled, that would be just fine. Thanks for remembering. No way. Boiled you wanted, boiled you get! -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** I am surprised they don't sell boiled peanuts in every single bait shop around the bay. -- Reggie ************************************************** ************* That's my story and I am sticking to it. ************************************************** ************* |
Bill to ban "teak surfing" introduced in WA State
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Bill to ban "teak surfing" introduced in WA State
On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:31:20 -0500, Reggie Smithers
wrote: JohnH wrote: On 27 Jan 2006 12:12:33 -0800, wrote: JohnH wrote: On 26 Jan 2006 19:33:09 -0800, wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On 26 Jan 2006 07:48:05 -0800, wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On 25 Jan 2006 19:16:40 -0800, wrote: Senator Pam Roach has sponsored Senate Bill 6364 to ban "teak surfing". She was prompted by one of her constituent organizations, the East Pierce County Fire and Rescue. This agency had dealt with two tragic deaths on Lake Tapps due to teak surfing. oh for petes sake - another do-gooder who wants to save people from themselves. do they seriously think a law is going to stop this type of activity? ill bet there is a fine attached to this - just another revenue raiser for the state. another useless piece of legislation. Actually, not just "another piece of useless legislation" designed to generate fines. Right now, if a cop sees some 16 year old kid running a boat while some 14 or 15 year old is teak surfing, about all the cop can do is pull them over and give them a lecture about safety. Of course once the cop is out of sight, the allure of teak surfing is immediately tripled, because not only is it some sort of fun, but now it's also borderline dangerous *and* it ****es off the cops. If there's a law, the cops can go as far as arresting the operator, if need be, to see that the teak surfing stops. There's a difference between being mentally defective ("should be removed from the gene pool") and uninformed. A lot of teak surfers are probably kids who don't ordinarily spend a lot of time around boats, and when "all" their friends are doing it they just assume it's a normal activity. Here's hoping you never answer a knock on your door to learn that a kid or a grandkid was killed while doing something others would consider "stupid". My bet is that the last thought to cross your mind would be, "Oh, well. If they were that stupid they didn't deserve to live in the first place and it's a good thing they died before they could reproduce." We're talking actual lives here, not some abstract talk show platitude. there are laws against drink operating - less than 10% of people operating a boat drunk are caught. there are laws concerning the operation of boats by those under 16 - i can't tell you how many 12 to 16 yo kids i see on pwcs and pwc type boats operating in state parks of all things - theres a law against that too. oh, lets talk about operating with kids aboard w/o life preservers - theres a law about that i think. its still saving people from themselves. whats next - no bungee jumping? sky diving? snowboarding? soccer? baseball? people get seriously injured in those sports all the time - in particular soccer where serious knee/ankle and head injuries occur on a regular basis. bungee jumping, sky diving, snowboarding, soccer, baseball etc are all ordinarily survivable. sucking in CO fumes almost directly from the exhaust port usuallly is not. it is what it is chuck - just another grandstand play by some small time politician making a name for themselves under the guise of public safety. its bull**** of the first order and just another way to produce revenue along the way. Chuck - I haven't forgotten the peanuts. It's just that the boiled ones are a little harder to come by then I thought. I'm going down to Richmond tomorrow to see the daughter. Hopefully I'll be able to pick 'em up there. -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** No big deal. If you want to send something other than boiled, that would be just fine. Thanks for remembering. No way. Boiled you wanted, boiled you get! -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** I am surprised they don't sell boiled peanuts in every single bait shop around the bay. I've never seen them at a bait shop. This is not the season for fresh boiled peanuts, which are often a favorite at flea markets. The only way to buy them now is canned, literally in cans. I've tracked some down, at a deli in Richmond. Will be getting them tomorrow or Sunday. Gives me an excuse to put a couple hundred miles on the Mustang. -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
Bill to ban "teak surfing" introduced in WA State
JohnH wrote:
On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:31:20 -0500, Reggie Smithers wrote: JohnH wrote: On 27 Jan 2006 12:12:33 -0800, wrote: JohnH wrote: On 26 Jan 2006 19:33:09 -0800, wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On 26 Jan 2006 07:48:05 -0800, wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On 25 Jan 2006 19:16:40 -0800, wrote: Senator Pam Roach has sponsored Senate Bill 6364 to ban "teak surfing". She was prompted by one of her constituent organizations, the East Pierce County Fire and Rescue. This agency had dealt with two tragic deaths on Lake Tapps due to teak surfing. oh for petes sake - another do-gooder who wants to save people from themselves. do they seriously think a law is going to stop this type of activity? ill bet there is a fine attached to this - just another revenue raiser for the state. another useless piece of legislation. Actually, not just "another piece of useless legislation" designed to generate fines. Right now, if a cop sees some 16 year old kid running a boat while some 14 or 15 year old is teak surfing, about all the cop can do is pull them over and give them a lecture about safety. Of course once the cop is out of sight, the allure of teak surfing is immediately tripled, because not only is it some sort of fun, but now it's also borderline dangerous *and* it ****es off the cops. If there's a law, the cops can go as far as arresting the operator, if need be, to see that the teak surfing stops. There's a difference between being mentally defective ("should be removed from the gene pool") and uninformed. A lot of teak surfers are probably kids who don't ordinarily spend a lot of time around boats, and when "all" their friends are doing it they just assume it's a normal activity. Here's hoping you never answer a knock on your door to learn that a kid or a grandkid was killed while doing something others would consider "stupid". My bet is that the last thought to cross your mind would be, "Oh, well. If they were that stupid they didn't deserve to live in the first place and it's a good thing they died before they could reproduce." We're talking actual lives here, not some abstract talk show platitude. there are laws against drink operating - less than 10% of people operating a boat drunk are caught. there are laws concerning the operation of boats by those under 16 - i can't tell you how many 12 to 16 yo kids i see on pwcs and pwc type boats operating in state parks of all things - theres a law against that too. oh, lets talk about operating with kids aboard w/o life preservers - theres a law about that i think. its still saving people from themselves. whats next - no bungee jumping? sky diving? snowboarding? soccer? baseball? people get seriously injured in those sports all the time - in particular soccer where serious knee/ankle and head injuries occur on a regular basis. bungee jumping, sky diving, snowboarding, soccer, baseball etc are all ordinarily survivable. sucking in CO fumes almost directly from the exhaust port usuallly is not. it is what it is chuck - just another grandstand play by some small time politician making a name for themselves under the guise of public safety. its bull**** of the first order and just another way to produce revenue along the way. Chuck - I haven't forgotten the peanuts. It's just that the boiled ones are a little harder to come by then I thought. I'm going down to Richmond tomorrow to see the daughter. Hopefully I'll be able to pick 'em up there. -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** No big deal. If you want to send something other than boiled, that would be just fine. Thanks for remembering. No way. Boiled you wanted, boiled you get! -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** I am surprised they don't sell boiled peanuts in every single bait shop around the bay. I've never seen them at a bait shop. This is not the season for fresh boiled peanuts, which are often a favorite at flea markets. The only way to buy them now is canned, literally in cans. I've tracked some down, at a deli in Richmond. Will be getting them tomorrow or Sunday. Gives me an excuse to put a couple hundred miles on the Mustang. -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** Since we're talkin' about peanuts... I've noticed that the roasted peanuts sold here the last couple of years seem to be the grade b type. Even the 'Planters' brand seem to be tasteless, half rotten garbage barely suitable for eating. The wife usually buys them for the Blue Jays that hang around...but I like to grab a handful now & again. Is there a problem with them...or are we just getting the quality control rejects way up here? |
Bill to ban "teak surfing" introduced in WA State
JohnH wrote: On 27 Jan 2006 12:12:33 -0800, wrote: PS. Did you get my email? -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** I did. You don't sing half badly. How many generations since your family left the Emerald Isle? ((??)) I swear I hear a bit of the Irish in that voice of yours. :-) |
Bill to ban "teak surfing" introduced in WA State
JohnH wrote:
On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:31:20 -0500, Reggie Smithers wrote: JohnH wrote: On 27 Jan 2006 12:12:33 -0800, wrote: JohnH wrote: On 26 Jan 2006 19:33:09 -0800, wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On 26 Jan 2006 07:48:05 -0800, wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On 25 Jan 2006 19:16:40 -0800, wrote: Senator Pam Roach has sponsored Senate Bill 6364 to ban "teak surfing". She was prompted by one of her constituent organizations, the East Pierce County Fire and Rescue. This agency had dealt with two tragic deaths on Lake Tapps due to teak surfing. oh for petes sake - another do-gooder who wants to save people from themselves. do they seriously think a law is going to stop this type of activity? ill bet there is a fine attached to this - just another revenue raiser for the state. another useless piece of legislation. Actually, not just "another piece of useless legislation" designed to generate fines. Right now, if a cop sees some 16 year old kid running a boat while some 14 or 15 year old is teak surfing, about all the cop can do is pull them over and give them a lecture about safety. Of course once the cop is out of sight, the allure of teak surfing is immediately tripled, because not only is it some sort of fun, but now it's also borderline dangerous *and* it ****es off the cops. If there's a law, the cops can go as far as arresting the operator, if need be, to see that the teak surfing stops. There's a difference between being mentally defective ("should be removed from the gene pool") and uninformed. A lot of teak surfers are probably kids who don't ordinarily spend a lot of time around boats, and when "all" their friends are doing it they just assume it's a normal activity. Here's hoping you never answer a knock on your door to learn that a kid or a grandkid was killed while doing something others would consider "stupid". My bet is that the last thought to cross your mind would be, "Oh, well. If they were that stupid they didn't deserve to live in the first place and it's a good thing they died before they could reproduce." We're talking actual lives here, not some abstract talk show platitude. there are laws against drink operating - less than 10% of people operating a boat drunk are caught. there are laws concerning the operation of boats by those under 16 - i can't tell you how many 12 to 16 yo kids i see on pwcs and pwc type boats operating in state parks of all things - theres a law against that too. oh, lets talk about operating with kids aboard w/o life preservers - theres a law about that i think. its still saving people from themselves. whats next - no bungee jumping? sky diving? snowboarding? soccer? baseball? people get seriously injured in those sports all the time - in particular soccer where serious knee/ankle and head injuries occur on a regular basis. bungee jumping, sky diving, snowboarding, soccer, baseball etc are all ordinarily survivable. sucking in CO fumes almost directly from the exhaust port usuallly is not. it is what it is chuck - just another grandstand play by some small time politician making a name for themselves under the guise of public safety. its bull**** of the first order and just another way to produce revenue along the way. Chuck - I haven't forgotten the peanuts. It's just that the boiled ones are a little harder to come by then I thought. I'm going down to Richmond tomorrow to see the daughter. Hopefully I'll be able to pick 'em up there. -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** No big deal. If you want to send something other than boiled, that would be just fine. Thanks for remembering. No way. Boiled you wanted, boiled you get! -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** I am surprised they don't sell boiled peanuts in every single bait shop around the bay. I've never seen them at a bait shop. This is not the season for fresh boiled peanuts, which are often a favorite at flea markets. The only way to buy them now is canned, literally in cans. I've tracked some down, at a deli in Richmond. Will be getting them tomorrow or Sunday. Gives me an excuse to put a couple hundred miles on the Mustang. -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** In many southern states you will see some good ole boys boiling peanuts up and down the country roads. In the suburbs they will pull up with a trailer with a very large pot to boil the peanuts fresh, so you get them nice and hot. For a brokerage fee, I will find them and forward them to chuck. -- Reggie ************************************************** ************* That's my story and I am sticking to it. ************************************************** ************* |
Bill to ban "teak surfing" introduced in WA State
Don White wrote:
JohnH wrote: On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:31:20 -0500, Reggie Smithers wrote: JohnH wrote: On 27 Jan 2006 12:12:33 -0800, wrote: JohnH wrote: On 26 Jan 2006 19:33:09 -0800, wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On 26 Jan 2006 07:48:05 -0800, wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On 25 Jan 2006 19:16:40 -0800, wrote: Senator Pam Roach has sponsored Senate Bill 6364 to ban "teak surfing". She was prompted by one of her constituent organizations, the East Pierce County Fire and Rescue. This agency had dealt with two tragic deaths on Lake Tapps due to teak surfing. oh for petes sake - another do-gooder who wants to save people from themselves. do they seriously think a law is going to stop this type of activity? ill bet there is a fine attached to this - just another revenue raiser for the state. another useless piece of legislation. Actually, not just "another piece of useless legislation" designed to generate fines. Right now, if a cop sees some 16 year old kid running a boat while some 14 or 15 year old is teak surfing, about all the cop can do is pull them over and give them a lecture about safety. Of course once the cop is out of sight, the allure of teak surfing is immediately tripled, because not only is it some sort of fun, but now it's also borderline dangerous *and* it ****es off the cops. If there's a law, the cops can go as far as arresting the operator, if need be, to see that the teak surfing stops. There's a difference between being mentally defective ("should be removed from the gene pool") and uninformed. A lot of teak surfers are probably kids who don't ordinarily spend a lot of time around boats, and when "all" their friends are doing it they just assume it's a normal activity. Here's hoping you never answer a knock on your door to learn that a kid or a grandkid was killed while doing something others would consider "stupid". My bet is that the last thought to cross your mind would be, "Oh, well. If they were that stupid they didn't deserve to live in the first place and it's a good thing they died before they could reproduce." We're talking actual lives here, not some abstract talk show platitude. there are laws against drink operating - less than 10% of people operating a boat drunk are caught. there are laws concerning the operation of boats by those under 16 - i can't tell you how many 12 to 16 yo kids i see on pwcs and pwc type boats operating in state parks of all things - theres a law against that too. oh, lets talk about operating with kids aboard w/o life preservers - theres a law about that i think. its still saving people from themselves. whats next - no bungee jumping? sky diving? snowboarding? soccer? baseball? people get seriously injured in those sports all the time - in particular soccer where serious knee/ankle and head injuries occur on a regular basis. bungee jumping, sky diving, snowboarding, soccer, baseball etc are all ordinarily survivable. sucking in CO fumes almost directly from the exhaust port usuallly is not. it is what it is chuck - just another grandstand play by some small time politician making a name for themselves under the guise of public safety. its bull**** of the first order and just another way to produce revenue along the way. Chuck - I haven't forgotten the peanuts. It's just that the boiled ones are a little harder to come by then I thought. I'm going down to Richmond tomorrow to see the daughter. Hopefully I'll be able to pick 'em up there. -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** No big deal. If you want to send something other than boiled, that would be just fine. Thanks for remembering. No way. Boiled you wanted, boiled you get! -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** I am surprised they don't sell boiled peanuts in every single bait shop around the bay. I've never seen them at a bait shop. This is not the season for fresh boiled peanuts, which are often a favorite at flea markets. The only way to buy them now is canned, literally in cans. I've tracked some down, at a deli in Richmond. Will be getting them tomorrow or Sunday. Gives me an excuse to put a couple hundred miles on the Mustang. -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** Since we're talkin' about peanuts... I've noticed that the roasted peanuts sold here the last couple of years seem to be the grade b type. Even the 'Planters' brand seem to be tasteless, half rotten garbage barely suitable for eating. The wife usually buys them for the Blue Jays that hang around...but I like to grab a handful now & again. Is there a problem with them...or are we just getting the quality control rejects way up here? Don, No, the soil is getting depleted of natural humus and the lack of organic material is being offset with fertilizer. They really don't taste as good. -- Reggie ************************************************** ************* That's my story and I am sticking to it. ************************************************** ************* |
Bill to ban "teak surfing" introduced in WA State
On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 23:24:12 GMT, Don White wrote:
JohnH wrote: On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:31:20 -0500, Reggie Smithers wrote: JohnH wrote: On 27 Jan 2006 12:12:33 -0800, wrote: JohnH wrote: On 26 Jan 2006 19:33:09 -0800, wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On 26 Jan 2006 07:48:05 -0800, wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On 25 Jan 2006 19:16:40 -0800, wrote: Senator Pam Roach has sponsored Senate Bill 6364 to ban "teak surfing". She was prompted by one of her constituent organizations, the East Pierce County Fire and Rescue. This agency had dealt with two tragic deaths on Lake Tapps due to teak surfing. oh for petes sake - another do-gooder who wants to save people from themselves. do they seriously think a law is going to stop this type of activity? ill bet there is a fine attached to this - just another revenue raiser for the state. another useless piece of legislation. Actually, not just "another piece of useless legislation" designed to generate fines. Right now, if a cop sees some 16 year old kid running a boat while some 14 or 15 year old is teak surfing, about all the cop can do is pull them over and give them a lecture about safety. Of course once the cop is out of sight, the allure of teak surfing is immediately tripled, because not only is it some sort of fun, but now it's also borderline dangerous *and* it ****es off the cops. If there's a law, the cops can go as far as arresting the operator, if need be, to see that the teak surfing stops. There's a difference between being mentally defective ("should be removed from the gene pool") and uninformed. A lot of teak surfers are probably kids who don't ordinarily spend a lot of time around boats, and when "all" their friends are doing it they just assume it's a normal activity. Here's hoping you never answer a knock on your door to learn that a kid or a grandkid was killed while doing something others would consider "stupid". My bet is that the last thought to cross your mind would be, "Oh, well. If they were that stupid they didn't deserve to live in the first place and it's a good thing they died before they could reproduce." We're talking actual lives here, not some abstract talk show platitude. there are laws against drink operating - less than 10% of people operating a boat drunk are caught. there are laws concerning the operation of boats by those under 16 - i can't tell you how many 12 to 16 yo kids i see on pwcs and pwc type boats operating in state parks of all things - theres a law against that too. oh, lets talk about operating with kids aboard w/o life preservers - theres a law about that i think. its still saving people from themselves. whats next - no bungee jumping? sky diving? snowboarding? soccer? baseball? people get seriously injured in those sports all the time - in particular soccer where serious knee/ankle and head injuries occur on a regular basis. bungee jumping, sky diving, snowboarding, soccer, baseball etc are all ordinarily survivable. sucking in CO fumes almost directly from the exhaust port usuallly is not. it is what it is chuck - just another grandstand play by some small time politician making a name for themselves under the guise of public safety. its bull**** of the first order and just another way to produce revenue along the way. Chuck - I haven't forgotten the peanuts. It's just that the boiled ones are a little harder to come by then I thought. I'm going down to Richmond tomorrow to see the daughter. Hopefully I'll be able to pick 'em up there. -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** No big deal. If you want to send something other than boiled, that would be just fine. Thanks for remembering. No way. Boiled you wanted, boiled you get! -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** I am surprised they don't sell boiled peanuts in every single bait shop around the bay. I've never seen them at a bait shop. This is not the season for fresh boiled peanuts, which are often a favorite at flea markets. The only way to buy them now is canned, literally in cans. I've tracked some down, at a deli in Richmond. Will be getting them tomorrow or Sunday. Gives me an excuse to put a couple hundred miles on the Mustang. -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** Since we're talkin' about peanuts... I've noticed that the roasted peanuts sold here the last couple of years seem to be the grade b type. Even the 'Planters' brand seem to be tasteless, half rotten garbage barely suitable for eating. The wife usually buys them for the Blue Jays that hang around...but I like to grab a handful now & again. Is there a problem with them...or are we just getting the quality control rejects way up here? Buy a can of Virginia roasted peanuts. You'll see and taste the difference. -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
Bill to ban "teak surfing" introduced in WA State
On 27 Jan 2006 15:57:23 -0800, wrote:
JohnH wrote: On 27 Jan 2006 12:12:33 -0800, wrote: PS. Did you get my email? -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** I did. You don't sing half badly. How many generations since your family left the Emerald Isle? ((??)) I swear I hear a bit of the Irish in that voice of yours. :-) You oughta hear it after it's warmed up! -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
Bill to ban "teak surfing" introduced in WA State
On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:04:08 -0500, Reggie Smithers
wrote: JohnH wrote: On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:31:20 -0500, Reggie Smithers wrote: JohnH wrote: On 27 Jan 2006 12:12:33 -0800, wrote: JohnH wrote: On 26 Jan 2006 19:33:09 -0800, wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On 26 Jan 2006 07:48:05 -0800, wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On 25 Jan 2006 19:16:40 -0800, wrote: Senator Pam Roach has sponsored Senate Bill 6364 to ban "teak surfing". She was prompted by one of her constituent organizations, the East Pierce County Fire and Rescue. This agency had dealt with two tragic deaths on Lake Tapps due to teak surfing. oh for petes sake - another do-gooder who wants to save people from themselves. do they seriously think a law is going to stop this type of activity? ill bet there is a fine attached to this - just another revenue raiser for the state. another useless piece of legislation. Actually, not just "another piece of useless legislation" designed to generate fines. Right now, if a cop sees some 16 year old kid running a boat while some 14 or 15 year old is teak surfing, about all the cop can do is pull them over and give them a lecture about safety. Of course once the cop is out of sight, the allure of teak surfing is immediately tripled, because not only is it some sort of fun, but now it's also borderline dangerous *and* it ****es off the cops. If there's a law, the cops can go as far as arresting the operator, if need be, to see that the teak surfing stops. There's a difference between being mentally defective ("should be removed from the gene pool") and uninformed. A lot of teak surfers are probably kids who don't ordinarily spend a lot of time around boats, and when "all" their friends are doing it they just assume it's a normal activity. Here's hoping you never answer a knock on your door to learn that a kid or a grandkid was killed while doing something others would consider "stupid". My bet is that the last thought to cross your mind would be, "Oh, well. If they were that stupid they didn't deserve to live in the first place and it's a good thing they died before they could reproduce." We're talking actual lives here, not some abstract talk show platitude. there are laws against drink operating - less than 10% of people operating a boat drunk are caught. there are laws concerning the operation of boats by those under 16 - i can't tell you how many 12 to 16 yo kids i see on pwcs and pwc type boats operating in state parks of all things - theres a law against that too. oh, lets talk about operating with kids aboard w/o life preservers - theres a law about that i think. its still saving people from themselves. whats next - no bungee jumping? sky diving? snowboarding? soccer? baseball? people get seriously injured in those sports all the time - in particular soccer where serious knee/ankle and head injuries occur on a regular basis. bungee jumping, sky diving, snowboarding, soccer, baseball etc are all ordinarily survivable. sucking in CO fumes almost directly from the exhaust port usuallly is not. it is what it is chuck - just another grandstand play by some small time politician making a name for themselves under the guise of public safety. its bull**** of the first order and just another way to produce revenue along the way. Chuck - I haven't forgotten the peanuts. It's just that the boiled ones are a little harder to come by then I thought. I'm going down to Richmond tomorrow to see the daughter. Hopefully I'll be able to pick 'em up there. -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** No big deal. If you want to send something other than boiled, that would be just fine. Thanks for remembering. No way. Boiled you wanted, boiled you get! -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** I am surprised they don't sell boiled peanuts in every single bait shop around the bay. I've never seen them at a bait shop. This is not the season for fresh boiled peanuts, which are often a favorite at flea markets. The only way to buy them now is canned, literally in cans. I've tracked some down, at a deli in Richmond. Will be getting them tomorrow or Sunday. Gives me an excuse to put a couple hundred miles on the Mustang. -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** In many southern states you will see some good ole boys boiling peanuts up and down the country roads. In the suburbs they will pull up with a trailer with a very large pot to boil the peanuts fresh, so you get them nice and hot. For a brokerage fee, I will find them and forward them to chuck. Do you think they're out there now? -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
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