Fred Dehl wrote:
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Right now, if a cop sees some 16 year old kid running a boat while some
14 or 15 year old is teak surfing...

Here's hoping you never answer a knock on your door to learn that a kid
or a grandkid was killed while doing something others would consider
"stupid".

Why would I permit unsupervised minors to operate a boat?

You're very lucky if your kids come to you, or came to you, for
permission before doing anything.

We see kids that look too young to drive a car out tooling around in
16-20 foot ski boats rather often. Partcularly on Lake Washington,
where a lot of wealthy families live along the shore, keep boats in
slips, and it isn't even unusual for the kids to have their "own"
boats.

The situation is perhaps a bit similar up at Lake Tapps, where the two
deaths used in the example occured. Upper end suburban community, most
households need two incomes to make the mortgage payments and the car
notes, teenagers home alone all day in the summer, boat just sitting in
the slip, folks tell their high school age kids it's OK to go water
skiing,...........

"Fred Dehl" wrote in message
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Right now, if a cop sees some 16 year old kid running a boat while some
14 or 15 year old is teak surfing...

Here's hoping you never answer a knock on your door to learn that a kid
or a grandkid was killed while doing something others would consider
"stupid".

Why would I permit unsupervised minors to operate a boat?

A 16 year old can go drive the car without an adult in it. Most of the teak
surfing deaths are probably the 18-30's. And I and my friends got to drive
the boats with out adults aboard 45-50 years ago, and few did not survive
the experience. First fatal accident I saw, was a 25 year old drunk, that
left the dock full throttle in a Vee drive and ran over a couple in a small
fishing boat while still in the 5 mph zone.

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Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On 25 Jan 2006 19:16:40 -0800, wrote:

Senator Pam Roach has sponsored Senate Bill 6364 to ban "teak surfing".
She was prompted by one of her constituent organizations, the East
Pierce County Fire and Rescue. This agency had dealt with two tragic
deaths on Lake Tapps due to teak surfing.

oh for petes sake - another do-gooder who wants to save people from
themselves.

do they seriously think a law is going to stop this type of activity?
ill bet there is a fine attached to this - just another revenue raiser
for the state.

another useless piece of legislation.

Actually, not just "another piece of useless legislation" designed to
generate fines.

Right now, if a cop sees some 16 year old kid running a boat while some
14 or 15 year old
is teak surfing, about all the cop can do is pull them over and give
them a lecture about safety. Of course once the cop is out of sight,
the allure of teak surfing is immediately tripled, because not only is
it some sort of fun, but now it's also borderline dangerous *and* it
****es off the cops.

If there's a law, the cops can go as far as arresting the operator, if
need be, to see that the teak surfing stops.

There's a difference between being mentally defective ("should be
removed from the gene pool") and uninformed. A lot of teak surfers are
probably kids who don't ordinarily spend a lot of time around boats,
and when "all" their friends are doing it they just assume it's a
normal activity.

Here's hoping you never answer a knock on your door to learn that a kid
or a grandkid was killed while doing something others would consider
"stupid". My bet is that the last thought to cross your mind would be,
"Oh, well. If they were that stupid they didn't deserve to live in the
first place and it's a good thing they died before they could
reproduce."

We're talking actual lives here, not some abstract talk show platitude.

The biggest problem the state of Washington has is it's full time
legislature. Washingtonians should adopt Oregon's model....meet every other
summer. Since our summers are so short, legislators are in a rush to finish
the job and get home. Net result is efficiency....no time for nonsense.

-Greg

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Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On 25 Jan 2006 19:16:40 -0800, wrote:

Senator Pam Roach has sponsored Senate Bill 6364 to ban "teak
surfing".
She was prompted by one of her constituent organizations, the East
Pierce County Fire and Rescue. This agency had dealt with two tragic
deaths on Lake Tapps due to teak surfing.

oh for petes sake - another do-gooder who wants to save people from
themselves.

do they seriously think a law is going to stop this type of activity?
ill bet there is a fine attached to this - just another revenue raiser
for the state.

another useless piece of legislation.

Actually, not just "another piece of useless legislation" designed to
generate fines.

Right now, if a cop sees some 16 year old kid running a boat while some
14 or 15 year old
is teak surfing, about all the cop can do is pull them over and give
them a lecture about safety. Of course once the cop is out of sight,
the allure of teak surfing is immediately tripled, because not only is
it some sort of fun, but now it's also borderline dangerous *and* it
****es off the cops.

If there's a law, the cops can go as far as arresting the operator, if
need be, to see that the teak surfing stops.

There's a difference between being mentally defective ("should be
removed from the gene pool") and uninformed. A lot of teak surfers are
probably kids who don't ordinarily spend a lot of time around boats,
and when "all" their friends are doing it they just assume it's a
normal activity.

Here's hoping you never answer a knock on your door to learn that a kid
or a grandkid was killed while doing something others would consider
"stupid". My bet is that the last thought to cross your mind would be,
"Oh, well. If they were that stupid they didn't deserve to live in the
first place and it's a good thing they died before they could
reproduce."

We're talking actual lives here, not some abstract talk show platitude.

The biggest problem the state of Washington has is it's full time
legislature. Washingtonians should adopt Oregon's model....meet every
other
summer. Since our summers are so short, legislators are in a rush to
finish
the job and get home. Net result is efficiency....no time for nonsense.

-Greg



Biggest error we made in California is letting Jessie Unruh convience us we
needed a full time legislature.

Dene wrote:


The biggest problem the state of Washington has is it's full time
legislature. Washingtonians should adopt Oregon's model....meet every other
summer. Since our summers are so short, legislators are in a rush to finish
the job and get home. Net result is efficiency....no time for nonsense.

-Greg


We don't have a full time legislature.

The legislature meets for a few weeks each spring, (usually out of
session by March or April), and the legislators earn about $30,000 per
year- (if I recall correctly). For most of the lawyers, business execs,
etc who are serving in the legislature $10,000 a month is a pretty
serious pay cut- not to mention how it their absence messes up a
professional practice or a business.

Do you feel there should not be a law against teak sufing?

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On 26 Jan 2006 07:48:05 -0800, wrote:


Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On 25 Jan 2006 19:16:40 -0800, wrote:

Senator Pam Roach has sponsored Senate Bill 6364 to ban "teak surfing".
She was prompted by one of her constituent organizations, the East
Pierce County Fire and Rescue. This agency had dealt with two tragic
deaths on Lake Tapps due to teak surfing.

oh for petes sake - another do-gooder who wants to save people from
themselves.

do they seriously think a law is going to stop this type of activity?
ill bet there is a fine attached to this - just another revenue raiser
for the state.

another useless piece of legislation.

Actually, not just "another piece of useless legislation" designed to
generate fines.

Right now, if a cop sees some 16 year old kid running a boat while some
14 or 15 year old
is teak surfing, about all the cop can do is pull them over and give
them a lecture about safety. Of course once the cop is out of sight,
the allure of teak surfing is immediately tripled, because not only is
it some sort of fun, but now it's also borderline dangerous *and* it
****es off the cops.

If there's a law, the cops can go as far as arresting the operator, if
need be, to see that the teak surfing stops.

There's a difference between being mentally defective ("should be
removed from the gene pool") and uninformed. A lot of teak surfers are
probably kids who don't ordinarily spend a lot of time around boats,
and when "all" their friends are doing it they just assume it's a
normal activity.

Here's hoping you never answer a knock on your door to learn that a kid
or a grandkid was killed while doing something others would consider
"stupid". My bet is that the last thought to cross your mind would be,
"Oh, well. If they were that stupid they didn't deserve to live in the
first place and it's a good thing they died before they could
reproduce."

We're talking actual lives here, not some abstract talk show platitude.

there are laws against drink operating - less than 10% of people
operating a boat drunk are caught. there are laws concerning the
operation of boats by those under 16 - i can't tell you how many 12 to
16 yo kids i see on pwcs and pwc type boats operating in state parks
of all things - theres a law against that too. oh, lets talk about
operating with kids aboard w/o life preservers - theres a law about
that i think.

its still saving people from themselves. whats next - no bungee
jumping? sky diving? snowboarding? soccer? baseball? people get
seriously injured in those sports all the time - in particular soccer
where serious knee/ankle and head injuries occur on a regular basis.



bungee jumping, sky diving, snowboarding, soccer, baseball etc are all
ordinarily survivable.

sucking in CO fumes almost directly from the exhaust port usuallly is
not.




it is what it is chuck - just another grandstand play by some small
time politician making a name for themselves under the guise of public
safety.

its bull**** of the first order and just another way to produce
revenue along the way.

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Dene wrote:


The biggest problem the state of Washington has is it's full time
legislature. Washingtonians should adopt Oregon's model....meet every
other
summer. Since our summers are so short, legislators are in a rush to
finish
the job and get home. Net result is efficiency....no time for nonsense.

-Greg


We don't have a full time legislature.

The legislature meets for a few weeks each spring, (usually out of
session by March or April), and the legislators earn about $30,000 per
year- (if I recall correctly). For most of the lawyers, business execs,
etc who are serving in the legislature $10,000 a month is a pretty
serious pay cut- not to mention how it their absence messes up a
professional practice or a business.

I stand corrected. Your legislature should meet every other year. ;


Do you feel there should not be a law against teak sufing?

Honestly....I have no idea.

-Greg

wrote:
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On 26 Jan 2006 07:48:05 -0800, wrote:

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On 25 Jan 2006 19:16:40 -0800, wrote:

Senator Pam Roach has sponsored Senate Bill 6364 to ban "teak surfing".
She was prompted by one of her constituent organizations, the East
Pierce County Fire and Rescue. This agency had dealt with two tragic
deaths on Lake Tapps due to teak surfing.
oh for petes sake - another do-gooder who wants to save people from
themselves.

do they seriously think a law is going to stop this type of activity?
ill bet there is a fine attached to this - just another revenue raiser
for the state.

another useless piece of legislation.
Actually, not just "another piece of useless legislation" designed to
generate fines.

Right now, if a cop sees some 16 year old kid running a boat while some
14 or 15 year old
is teak surfing, about all the cop can do is pull them over and give
them a lecture about safety. Of course once the cop is out of sight,
the allure of teak surfing is immediately tripled, because not only is
it some sort of fun, but now it's also borderline dangerous *and* it
****es off the cops.

If there's a law, the cops can go as far as arresting the operator, if
need be, to see that the teak surfing stops.

There's a difference between being mentally defective ("should be
removed from the gene pool") and uninformed. A lot of teak surfers are
probably kids who don't ordinarily spend a lot of time around boats,
and when "all" their friends are doing it they just assume it's a
normal activity.

Here's hoping you never answer a knock on your door to learn that a kid
or a grandkid was killed while doing something others would consider
"stupid". My bet is that the last thought to cross your mind would be,
"Oh, well. If they were that stupid they didn't deserve to live in the
first place and it's a good thing they died before they could
reproduce."

We're talking actual lives here, not some abstract talk show platitude.
there are laws against drink operating - less than 10% of people
operating a boat drunk are caught. there are laws concerning the
operation of boats by those under 16 - i can't tell you how many 12 to
16 yo kids i see on pwcs and pwc type boats operating in state parks
of all things - theres a law against that too. oh, lets talk about
operating with kids aboard w/o life preservers - theres a law about
that i think.

its still saving people from themselves. whats next - no bungee
jumping? sky diving? snowboarding? soccer? baseball? people get
seriously injured in those sports all the time - in particular soccer
where serious knee/ankle and head injuries occur on a regular basis.



bungee jumping, sky diving, snowboarding, soccer, baseball etc are all
ordinarily survivable.

sucking in CO fumes almost directly from the exhaust port usuallly is
not.



it is what it is chuck - just another grandstand play by some small
time politician making a name for themselves under the guise of public
safety.

its bull**** of the first order and just another way to produce
revenue along the way.

Chuck,
The reason teak surfing is popular is very few people who do it are
killed or end up in the hospital. If 25% - 50% of the people who teak
surfed died, it would no longer be popular.

Yes there are some who do die or go to the hospital, but the vast
majority survive, and if the CO damages brain cells, they are too stupid
to realize it.

I really don't care if they make it illegal, but any parent who owned a
boat and did not let the kids know the danger is just as dumb as the
kids. Drugs are illegal and they are still used and abused.

I for one wished they would legalize all drugs. All illegal drugs do is
create a very profitable business for criminals, force drug users to
commit crimes to support their expensive habits and divert police
resources to fight a war we will never win. It didn't work for alcohol,
it isn't working for drugs.

Making Teak Surfing illegal will not eliminate teak surfing anymore than
making drugs illegal eliminated drug abuse.
--
Reggie
************************************************** *************
That's my story and I am sticking to it.

************************************************** *************

"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
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I for one wished they would legalize all drugs. All illegal drugs do is
create a very profitable business for criminals, force drug users to
commit crimes to support their expensive habits and divert police
resources to fight a war we will never win. It didn't work for alcohol,
it isn't working for drugs.

Criminals don't make the laws. You need to look beyond them to understand
why drugs are illegal. It has to benefit *someone* financially. Typically,
that would be our legislators.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Doug Kanter wrote:
"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
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I for one wished they would legalize all drugs. All illegal drugs do is
create a very profitable business for criminals, force drug users to
commit crimes to support their expensive habits and divert police
resources to fight a war we will never win. It didn't work for alcohol,
it isn't working for drugs.

Criminals don't make the laws. You need to look beyond them to understand
why drugs are illegal. It has to benefit *someone* financially.
Typically, that would be our legislators.


I wouldn't "legalize" all drugs, but I'd sure support decriminalization
for possession of small amounts and for use. There are some drugs out
there that are just too potent and cause too much damage to be in anyone's
possession. One example is crystal meth.

Oh please....hard liquor will wreck your body if used incorrectly. My
brother in law tried to stop his heavy drinking without medical assistance.
Apparently, the DTs can reach a point where they're like grand mal seizures.
In his case, it stopped his heart. He was found dead in a cheap motel room.
45 years old, IIRC.