After all these years, I finally found a boat for Dave!
 

If Dave M. were still in the market for a boat, I came across something
that would have appealed to him 6 or 7 years ago when he was in Seattle
doing some shopping.

I went up to LaConner today to see if I could find an interesting boat
for the NW Classics column of our magazine, and I hit paydirt. This is
a one-off world cruiser, full displacement hull, 30 tons of lead
ballast, no windows below the main deck, etc etc etc.(The boat itself
isn't truly a classic, but the design and concept most certainly is) I
took a bunch of photos and notes to build an article around, but here's
a link to the broker's web site where one could get a look at the boat.

http://www.laconneryachtsales.com/co...=laconnerys &

After all these years, I finally found a boat for Dave!
 

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If Dave M. were still in the market for a boat, I came across something
that would have appealed to him 6 or 7 years ago when he was in Seattle
doing some shopping.

I went up to LaConner today to see if I could find an interesting boat
for the NW Classics column of our magazine, and I hit paydirt. This is
a one-off world cruiser, full displacement hull, 30 tons of lead
ballast, no windows below the main deck, etc etc etc.(The boat itself
isn't truly a classic, but the design and concept most certainly is) I
took a bunch of photos and notes to build an article around, but here's
a link to the broker's web site where one could get a look at the boat.

http://www.laconneryachtsales.com/co...=laconnerys &



How much will you give him on trade for his 22 foot '86 Bayliner? ;-)

After all these years, I finally found a boat for Dave!
 

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If Dave M. were still in the market for a boat, I came across something
that would have appealed to him 6 or 7 years ago when he was in Seattle
doing some shopping.


http://www.laconneryachtsales.com/co...=laconnerys &


Humphrey Bogart, where are you?

Eisboch

After all these years, I finally found a boat for Dave!
 

wrote:

I came across something that would have appealed to him 6 or 7 years
ago when he was in Seattle doing some shopping.

http://tinyurl.com/dkjym

So, for someone looking to cruise from the Gulf of Alaska to the Cortez
and avoid the return bash by diverting to Hawaii you'd recommend that
boat? Fascinating! Do you believe intended usage plays at all in boat
selection?

--
Skipper

After all these years, I finally found a boat for Dave!
 

On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 20:58:08 -0600, Skipper wrote:

So, for someone looking to cruise from the Gulf of Alaska to the Cortez
and avoid the return bash by diverting to Hawaii you'd recommend that
boat? Fascinating! Do you believe intended usage plays at all in boat
selection?

What? The only thing missing in your case is the training wheels.

After all these years, I finally found a boat for Dave!
 

Skipper wrote:
wrote:

I came across something that would have appealed to him 6 or 7 years
ago when he was in Seattle doing some shopping.

http://tinyurl.com/dkjym

So, for someone looking to cruise from the Gulf of Alaska to the Cortez
and avoid the return bash by diverting to Hawaii you'd recommend that
boat? Fascinating! Do you believe intended usage plays at all in boat
selection?


Absolutely. What do you figure from Mexico to HI, 2500 miles? Maybe a
bit less? (Depends where you set out from, of course) Right now, with
1000 gallons, she's supposed to have an 1800 mile range. Add a pair of
250 gallon fuel tanks and a watermaker you're set. 70,000 lb
displacement, deep draft, full displacement hull? This is what a true
seagoing boat looks like. Even Beebe would probably approve. You could
skip the additional fuel tanks if you're only going to coastal cruise
and willing to forget about Hawaii. If you had to, you could sail this
thing with a jib.

I was aboard this boat today, and she's built hell for stout. People
make Hawaii all the time in little mass-pro sailboats that couldn't
hold a candle to this trawler.

After all these years, I finally found a boat for Dave!
 

wrote in message
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If Dave M. were still in the market for a boat, I came across something
that would have appealed to him 6 or 7 years ago when he was in Seattle
doing some shopping.

I went up to LaConner today to see if I could find an interesting boat
for the NW Classics column of our magazine, and I hit paydirt. This is
a one-off world cruiser, full displacement hull, 30 tons of lead
ballast, no windows below the main deck, etc etc etc.(The boat itself
isn't truly a classic, but the design and concept most certainly is) I
took a bunch of photos and notes to build an article around, but here's
a link to the broker's web site where one could get a look at the boat.


http://www.laconneryachtsales.com/co...=laconnerys &


So....what the heck are the masts for? Nice interior. The
exterior....well....it would have to grow on me, like cancer. ;

-Greg

After all these years, I finally found a boat for Dave!
 

Dene wrote:
wrote in message
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If Dave M. were still in the market for a boat, I came across something
that would have appealed to him 6 or 7 years ago when he was in Seattle
doing some shopping.

I went up to LaConner today to see if I could find an interesting boat
for the NW Classics column of our magazine, and I hit paydirt. This is
a one-off world cruiser, full displacement hull, 30 tons of lead
ballast, no windows below the main deck, etc etc etc.(The boat itself
isn't truly a classic, but the design and concept most certainly is) I
took a bunch of photos and notes to build an article around, but here's
a link to the broker's web site where one could get a look at the boat.


http://www.laconneryachtsales.com/co...=laconnerys &


So....what the heck are the masts for? Nice interior. The
exterior....well....it would have to grow on me, like cancer. ;

-Greg

The short mast and boom aft can be used to haul and launch a dinghy
(like I do with my own boat) and it can also be rigged with a staysail
to help improve stability a bit. In an emergency, you can use the
staysail for a tiny bit of propulsion as well.

The tall mast on the foredeck carries a forestay that could be used to
hoist a jib, and the little boat would look just splendid with a proper
genoa billowing off the bow. There's no mainsail boom. You'd sail her
in an emergency, or for some stability under certain conditions.

Not show in the photos is one heck of a long SSB radio antenna. I
didn't actually note where that mounted, but it wouldn't be off the
mast as the mount and the antenna itself is rather long and will extend
well above the horizon.

I'm sure that's the first time I've seen a ceramic tile floor in an
engine room. :-)

After all these years, I finally found a boat for Dave!
 

wrote in message
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If Dave M. were still in the market for a boat, I came across something
that would have appealed to him 6 or 7 years ago when he was in Seattle
doing some shopping.

I went up to LaConner today to see if I could find an interesting boat
for the NW Classics column of our magazine, and I hit paydirt. This is
a one-off world cruiser, full displacement hull, 30 tons of lead
ballast, no windows below the main deck, etc etc etc.(The boat itself
isn't truly a classic, but the design and concept most certainly is) I
took a bunch of photos and notes to build an article around, but here's
a link to the broker's web site where one could get a look at the boat.

http://www.laconneryachtsales.com/co...=laconnerys &


The stand up engine room, alone, makes me drool! Nice boat.

After all these years, I finally found a boat for Dave!
 

On 20 Jan 2006 17:59:17 -0800, wrote:

If Dave M. were still in the market for a boat, I came across something
that would have appealed to him 6 or 7 years ago when he was in Seattle
doing some shopping.

I went up to LaConner today to see if I could find an interesting boat
for the NW Classics column of our magazine, and I hit paydirt. This is
a one-off world cruiser, full displacement hull, 30 tons of lead
ballast, no windows below the main deck, etc etc etc.(The boat itself
isn't truly a classic, but the design and concept most certainly is) I
took a bunch of photos and notes to build an article around, but here's
a link to the broker's web site where one could get a look at the boat.

http://www.laconneryachtsales.com/co...=laconnerys &

Thanks for the link, Chuck. Nice boat and it seems reasonably priced if
it's in decent condition. It looks as though it was well taken care of.

And, it prompted only five (so far) derogatory comments against Skipper,
not counting the original post, of course.


--
John H

******Have a spectacular day!******

After all these years, I finally found a boat for Dave!
 

wrote:
If Dave M. were still in the market for a boat, I came across something
that would have appealed to him 6 or 7 years ago when he was in Seattle
doing some shopping.

I went up to LaConner today to see if I could find an interesting boat
for the NW Classics column of our magazine, and I hit paydirt. This is
a one-off world cruiser, full displacement hull, 30 tons of lead
ballast, no windows below the main deck, etc etc etc.(The boat itself
isn't truly a classic, but the design and concept most certainly is) I
took a bunch of photos and notes to build an article around, but here's
a link to the broker's web site where one could get a look at the boat.

http://www.laconneryachtsales.com/co...=laconnerys &

Damn that is a nice looking boat at a reasonable price

--
Reggie
************************************************** *************

Q. What's the difference between a brown-noser and a ****-head?
A. Depth perception.
************************************************** *************

After all these years, I finally found a boat for Dave!
 

JohnH wrote:
On 20 Jan 2006 17:59:17 -0800, wrote:

If Dave M. were still in the market for a boat, I came across something
that would have appealed to him 6 or 7 years ago when he was in Seattle
doing some shopping.

I went up to LaConner today to see if I could find an interesting boat
for the NW Classics column of our magazine, and I hit paydirt. This is
a one-off world cruiser, full displacement hull, 30 tons of lead
ballast, no windows below the main deck, etc etc etc.(The boat itself
isn't truly a classic, but the design and concept most certainly is) I
took a bunch of photos and notes to build an article around, but here's
a link to the broker's web site where one could get a look at the boat.

http://www.laconneryachtsales.com/co...=laconnerys &

Thanks for the link, Chuck. Nice boat and it seems reasonably priced if
it's in decent condition. It looks as though it was well taken care of.

And, it prompted only five (so far) derogatory comments against Skipper,
not counting the original post, of course.



The original post was not supposed to be a derogatory comment. I
remarked, honestly, that this was the sort of boat that Skipper had,
(at one time at least), been interested in acquiring. I fail to see how
that was a derogatory comment- and beyond the fact that he was once
shopping for a boat like that (something he has freely attested to
here) there wasn't even a single personal statement.

I do wish he'd elaborate on his feelings that this boat wouldn't be
adequate for coastal cruising from AK to MEX, with occasional
(possible) diversions to HI. Aside from marginal range (easily
corected), I fail to see why this wouldn't be a darn good boat for the
purpose.

After all these years, I finally found a boat for Dave!
 

wrote:
JohnH wrote:
On 20 Jan 2006 17:59:17 -0800, wrote:

If Dave M. were still in the market for a boat, I came across something
that would have appealed to him 6 or 7 years ago when he was in Seattle
doing some shopping.

I went up to LaConner today to see if I could find an interesting boat
for the NW Classics column of our magazine, and I hit paydirt. This is
a one-off world cruiser, full displacement hull, 30 tons of lead
ballast, no windows below the main deck, etc etc etc.(The boat itself
isn't truly a classic, but the design and concept most certainly is) I
took a bunch of photos and notes to build an article around, but here's
a link to the broker's web site where one could get a look at the boat.

http://www.laconneryachtsales.com/co...=laconnerys &
Thanks for the link, Chuck. Nice boat and it seems reasonably priced if
it's in decent condition. It looks as though it was well taken care of.

And, it prompted only five (so far) derogatory comments against Skipper,
not counting the original post, of course.



The original post was not supposed to be a derogatory comment. I
remarked, honestly, that this was the sort of boat that Skipper had,
(at one time at least), been interested in acquiring. I fail to see how
that was a derogatory comment- and beyond the fact that he was once
shopping for a boat like that (something he has freely attested to
here) there wasn't even a single personal statement.

I do wish he'd elaborate on his feelings that this boat wouldn't be
adequate for coastal cruising from AK to MEX, with occasional
(possible) diversions to HI. Aside from marginal range (easily
corected), I fail to see why this wouldn't be a darn good boat for the
purpose.

Chuck,
It was a great looking boat, why was the price so reasonable?

--
Reggie
************************************************** *************

Q. What's the difference between a brown-noser and a ****-head?
A. Depth perception.
************************************************** *************

After all these years, I finally found a boat for Dave!
 

The term "spartan functionality" comes to mind...and equipped on a
tight budget...Manual windlass?...aaarrgh!

After all these years, I finally found a boat for Dave!
 

On 21 Jan 2006 09:32:40 -0800, wrote:


JohnH wrote:
On 20 Jan 2006 17:59:17 -0800, wrote:

If Dave M. were still in the market for a boat, I came across something
that would have appealed to him 6 or 7 years ago when he was in Seattle
doing some shopping.

I went up to LaConner today to see if I could find an interesting boat
for the NW Classics column of our magazine, and I hit paydirt. This is
a one-off world cruiser, full displacement hull, 30 tons of lead
ballast, no windows below the main deck, etc etc etc.(The boat itself
isn't truly a classic, but the design and concept most certainly is) I
took a bunch of photos and notes to build an article around, but here's
a link to the broker's web site where one could get a look at the boat.

http://www.laconneryachtsales.com/co...=laconnerys &

Thanks for the link, Chuck. Nice boat and it seems reasonably priced if
it's in decent condition. It looks as though it was well taken care of.

And, it prompted only five (so far) derogatory comments against Skipper,
not counting the original post, of course.



The original post was not supposed to be a derogatory comment. I
remarked, honestly, that this was the sort of boat that Skipper had,
(at one time at least), been interested in acquiring. I fail to see how
that was a derogatory comment- and beyond the fact that he was once
shopping for a boat like that (something he has freely attested to
here) there wasn't even a single personal statement.

I do wish he'd elaborate on his feelings that this boat wouldn't be
adequate for coastal cruising from AK to MEX, with occasional
(possible) diversions to HI. Aside from marginal range (easily
corected), I fail to see why this wouldn't be a darn good boat for the
purpose.

It *is* strange how some folks will use *any* post as an excuse to make
personal attacks. If I lived where you do, I'd love to have a boat like
that. I think it's beautiful.
--
John H

******Have a spectacular day!******

After all these years, I finally found a boat for Dave!
 

On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 00:02:10 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Skipper wrote:
wrote:

I came across something that would have appealed to him 6 or 7 years
ago when he was in Seattle doing some shopping.

http://tinyurl.com/dkjym

So, for someone looking to cruise from the Gulf of Alaska to the Cortez
and avoid the return bash by diverting to Hawaii you'd recommend that
boat? Fascinating! Do you believe intended usage plays at all in boat
selection?

--
Skipper


What does any of that mean to a drygulcher in Derby, Kansas, like you?

Now we're up to six!
--
John H

******Have a spectacular day!******

After all these years, I finally found a boat for Dave!
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
JohnH wrote:
On 21 Jan 2006 09:32:40 -0800, wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On 20 Jan 2006 17:59:17 -0800, wrote:

If Dave M. were still in the market for a boat, I came across
something
that would have appealed to him 6 or 7 years ago when he was in
Seattle
doing some shopping.

I went up to LaConner today to see if I could find an interesting boat
for the NW Classics column of our magazine, and I hit paydirt. This is
a one-off world cruiser, full displacement hull, 30 tons of lead
ballast, no windows below the main deck, etc etc etc.(The boat itself
isn't truly a classic, but the design and concept most certainly is) I
took a bunch of photos and notes to build an article around, but
here's
a link to the broker's web site where one could get a look at the
boat.

http://www.laconneryachtsales.com/co...=laconnerys &
Thanks for the link, Chuck. Nice boat and it seems reasonably priced if
it's in decent condition. It looks as though it was well taken care of.

And, it prompted only five (so far) derogatory comments against
Skipper,
not counting the original post, of course.


The original post was not supposed to be a derogatory comment. I
remarked, honestly, that this was the sort of boat that Skipper had,
(at one time at least), been interested in acquiring. I fail to see how
that was a derogatory comment- and beyond the fact that he was once
shopping for a boat like that (something he has freely attested to
here) there wasn't even a single personal statement.

I do wish he'd elaborate on his feelings that this boat wouldn't be
adequate for coastal cruising from AK to MEX, with occasional
(possible) diversions to HI. Aside from marginal range (easily
corected), I fail to see why this wouldn't be a darn good boat for the
purpose.

It *is* strange how some folks will use *any* post as an excuse to make
personal attacks. If I lived where you do, I'd love to have a boat like
that. I think it's beautiful.
--
John H

******Have a spectacular day!******


Skipper is a Jew-hating, black-hating turd who works overtime at being
obnoxious. Perhaps that kind of hatred is ok with you.

Hatred is hatred Harry and yours is of the type that is particularly nasty
towards those that disagree with you politics.

After all these years, I finally found a boat for Dave!
 

On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 20:26:56 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On 21 Jan 2006 09:32:40 -0800, wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On 20 Jan 2006 17:59:17 -0800, wrote:

If Dave M. were still in the market for a boat, I came across something
that would have appealed to him 6 or 7 years ago when he was in Seattle
doing some shopping.

I went up to LaConner today to see if I could find an interesting boat
for the NW Classics column of our magazine, and I hit paydirt. This is
a one-off world cruiser, full displacement hull, 30 tons of lead
ballast, no windows below the main deck, etc etc etc.(The boat itself
isn't truly a classic, but the design and concept most certainly is) I
took a bunch of photos and notes to build an article around, but here's
a link to the broker's web site where one could get a look at the boat.

http://www.laconneryachtsales.com/co...=laconnerys &
Thanks for the link, Chuck. Nice boat and it seems reasonably priced if
it's in decent condition. It looks as though it was well taken care of.

And, it prompted only five (so far) derogatory comments against Skipper,
not counting the original post, of course.


The original post was not supposed to be a derogatory comment. I
remarked, honestly, that this was the sort of boat that Skipper had,
(at one time at least), been interested in acquiring. I fail to see how
that was a derogatory comment- and beyond the fact that he was once
shopping for a boat like that (something he has freely attested to
here) there wasn't even a single personal statement.

I do wish he'd elaborate on his feelings that this boat wouldn't be
adequate for coastal cruising from AK to MEX, with occasional
(possible) diversions to HI. Aside from marginal range (easily
corected), I fail to see why this wouldn't be a darn good boat for the
purpose.

It *is* strange how some folks will use *any* post as an excuse to make
personal attacks. If I lived where you do, I'd love to have a boat like
that. I think it's beautiful.
--
John H

******Have a spectacular day!******


Skipper is a Jew-hating, black-hating turd who works overtime at being
obnoxious. Perhaps that kind of hatred is ok with you.

Harry, do you really think your constant name-calling affects our opinion
of anyone besides you?
--
John H

******Have a spectacular day!******

Chuck's Boat Recommendation
 

wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/dkjym

So, for someone looking to cruise from the Gulf of Alaska to the Cortez
and avoid the return bash by diverting to Hawaii you'd recommend that
boat? Fascinating! Do you believe intended usage plays at all in boat
selection?

Absolutely. What do you figure from Mexico to HI, 2500 miles? Maybe a
bit less? (Depends where you set out from, of course) Right now, with
1000 gallons, she's supposed to have an 1800 mile range. Add a pair of
250 gallon fuel tanks and a watermaker you're set. 70,000 lb
displacement, deep draft, full displacement hull? This is what a true
seagoing boat looks like.

To your eye maybe, but not mine. AND I suppose it does depend on what
your definition of is is. While the boat is pleasing to the eye, it is
not the best choice for the stated usage. It's a boat better suited for
inward passage cruising, IMO. Suspect you may have fallen victim to a
bit of stableblindness here, Chuck.

I'll mention just a few of the obvious problems with your choice of the
best boat for the stated usage:

1- Fuel costs for this vessel is about $200+ per day. That can add up
rather quickly on a voyage from Tracy Arm to Mazatlan. Sail might be the
more prudent choice.

2- I believe roll could well be a problem offshore with that boat's
unstablized rounded bottom.

3- Only having one (1) head on long voyages is more of risk than I'd
like to assume.

4- The boat is well short of the amenities needed for such a voyage.
Ground tackle also seems substandard for the intended usage. That
$225,000 asking would only be the starting point to equip this boat for
offshore passagemaking.

There are other shortcomings that would disqualify this boat for subject
passagemaking, but let me note it DOES have some very good things going
for it as a Northwaste boat. Dry stack, keel cooler, woodburner in the
master are a few of the attractions for someone doing your type of
boating.

--
Skipper

After all these years, I finally found a boat for Dave!
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
JohnH wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 20:26:56 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On 21 Jan 2006 09:32:40 -0800, wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On 20 Jan 2006 17:59:17 -0800, wrote:

If Dave M. were still in the market for a boat, I came across
something
that would have appealed to him 6 or 7 years ago when he was in
Seattle
doing some shopping.

I went up to LaConner today to see if I could find an interesting
boat
for the NW Classics column of our magazine, and I hit paydirt. This
is
a one-off world cruiser, full displacement hull, 30 tons of lead
ballast, no windows below the main deck, etc etc etc.(The boat
itself
isn't truly a classic, but the design and concept most certainly is)
I
took a bunch of photos and notes to build an article around, but
here's
a link to the broker's web site where one could get a look at the
boat.

http://www.laconneryachtsales.com/co...=laconnerys &
Thanks for the link, Chuck. Nice boat and it seems reasonably priced
if
it's in decent condition. It looks as though it was well taken care
of.

And, it prompted only five (so far) derogatory comments against
Skipper,
not counting the original post, of course.


The original post was not supposed to be a derogatory comment. I
remarked, honestly, that this was the sort of boat that Skipper had,
(at one time at least), been interested in acquiring. I fail to see
how
that was a derogatory comment- and beyond the fact that he was once
shopping for a boat like that (something he has freely attested to
here) there wasn't even a single personal statement.

I do wish he'd elaborate on his feelings that this boat wouldn't be
adequate for coastal cruising from AK to MEX, with occasional
(possible) diversions to HI. Aside from marginal range (easily
corected), I fail to see why this wouldn't be a darn good boat for the
purpose.
It *is* strange how some folks will use *any* post as an excuse to make
personal attacks. If I lived where you do, I'd love to have a boat like
that. I think it's beautiful.
--
John H

******Have a spectacular day!******

Skipper is a Jew-hating, black-hating turd who works overtime at being
obnoxious. Perhaps that kind of hatred is ok with you.

Harry, do you really think your constant name-calling affects our opinion
of anyone besides you?
--
John H

Skipper is a racist pig. There are many posts of his in the archives that
demonstrate he hates Jews and blacks. That's enough for me not to want to
give him the benefit of anything.

Perhaps you are comfy with racist slimeballs. I am not.

You hate Republicans and other non-Democrats. What's the difference hate is
hate.

Boat Recommendation
 

After all these years...
 

markvictor wrote:

The term "spartan functionality" comes to mind...and equipped on a
tight budget...Manual windlass?...aaarrgh!

What boat would you recommend for the intended usage?

--
Skipper

After all these years, I finally found a boat for Dave!
 

JohnH wrote:

Skipper is a Jew-hating, black-hating turd who works overtime at being
obnoxious. Perhaps that kind of hatred is ok with you.

Harry, do you really think your constant name-calling affects our opinion
of anyone besides you?

Just let it go. Do not feed the trolls.

--
Skipper

Boat Recommendation
 

Skipper wrote:

The original spec was for a boat (power OR sail) capable of safe and
comfortable passage between the Gulf of Alaska and San Carlos, Sonora,
Mexico. The stated budget was $180,000. A length of 50' was mentioned
because buyer is 6'3" and standup headroom was a must. I do not think
this boat represents the best choice for the intended usage.

--
Skipper

That's certainly your call to make, however I should probably address a
few of your points:

First, as this is a deep draft, full displacement hull the headroom is
outstanding. It's a long way from the bilge to the main deck. Headroom
certainly exceeds 6' 3" feet in the main cabin, galley, pilothouse, and
master stateroom. Headroom in the engine room is almost exactly 6-feet,
(I can stand up in there, and I'm just a whisker short of 6-feet), and
that was the lowest clearance I found anywhere.

The inconsequential difference in length between this boat and a
"50-footer" is going to be meaningless as far as hull speed goes, and
this boat seems beamier by far than many nominal 50's.

The seller recently reduced the price from somewhere closer to $250k
down to the $210,000 level. If someone were in the market, they would
call Art or Marcie at LYS and arrange to submit a written offer, with a
deposit, for a sales price of $180k subject to physical inspection, sea
trial, and survey. The worst that could happen is they would be told
the boat wasn't available for the sort of money one might like to
spend- but if one submits a written offer with a deposit the broker is
required to present your offer to the seller before suggesting that you
buzz off or come up with a few more bucks.

If the boat didn't appeal to a prospective buyer for some objective or
subjective reason, that would be one thing- but it would be hard to
write it off as unavailable at $180,000 without taking a run at the
seller with an offer. Stranger things have happened. As this is a
one-off, custom vessel who's to say what it's really "worth" in the
marketplace? (It's worth what it will sell for, and no more).

As far as sail goes: Most guys your age are getting rid of sailboats
and going to trawlers as the sailing becomes too physically demanding.
Are you in shape to sail a 50-footer with Mrs. Skipper along for crew?

After all these years, I finally found a boat for Dave!
 

"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
JohnH wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 20:26:56 -0500, Harry Krause

wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On 21 Jan 2006 09:32:40 -0800, wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On 20 Jan 2006 17:59:17 -0800, wrote:

If Dave M. were still in the market for a boat, I came across
something
that would have appealed to him 6 or 7 years ago when he was in
Seattle
doing some shopping.

I went up to LaConner today to see if I could find an interesting
boat
for the NW Classics column of our magazine, and I hit paydirt.
This
is
a one-off world cruiser, full displacement hull, 30 tons of lead
ballast, no windows below the main deck, etc etc etc.(The boat
itself
isn't truly a classic, but the design and concept most certainly
is)
I
took a bunch of photos and notes to build an article around, but
here's
a link to the broker's web site where one could get a look at the
boat.


http://www.laconneryachtsales.com/co...=laconnerys &
Thanks for the link, Chuck. Nice boat and it seems reasonably
priced
if
it's in decent condition. It looks as though it was well taken
care
of.

And, it prompted only five (so far) derogatory comments against
Skipper,
not counting the original post, of course.


The original post was not supposed to be a derogatory comment. I
remarked, honestly, that this was the sort of boat that Skipper
had,
(at one time at least), been interested in acquiring. I fail to see
how
that was a derogatory comment- and beyond the fact that he was once
shopping for a boat like that (something he has freely attested to
here) there wasn't even a single personal statement.

I do wish he'd elaborate on his feelings that this boat wouldn't be
adequate for coastal cruising from AK to MEX, with occasional
(possible) diversions to HI. Aside from marginal range (easily
corected), I fail to see why this wouldn't be a darn good boat for
the
purpose.
It *is* strange how some folks will use *any* post as an excuse to
make
personal attacks. If I lived where you do, I'd love to have a boat
like
that. I think it's beautiful.
--
John H

******Have a spectacular day!******

Skipper is a Jew-hating, black-hating turd who works overtime at
being
obnoxious. Perhaps that kind of hatred is ok with you.

Harry, do you really think your constant name-calling affects our
opinion
of anyone besides you?
--
John H

Skipper is a racist pig. There are many posts of his in the archives
that
demonstrate he hates Jews and blacks. That's enough for me not to want
to
give him the benefit of anything.

Perhaps you are comfy with racist slimeballs. I am not.

You hate Republicans and other non-Democrats. What's the difference hate
is
hate.

He hates himself as well

After all these years, I finally found a boat for Dave!
 

"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
JohnH wrote:
On 21 Jan 2006 09:32:40 -0800, wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On 20 Jan 2006 17:59:17 -0800, wrote:

If Dave M. were still in the market for a boat, I came across
something
that would have appealed to him 6 or 7 years ago when he was in
Seattle
doing some shopping.

I went up to LaConner today to see if I could find an interesting
boat
for the NW Classics column of our magazine, and I hit paydirt. This
is
a one-off world cruiser, full displacement hull, 30 tons of lead
ballast, no windows below the main deck, etc etc etc.(The boat
itself
isn't truly a classic, but the design and concept most certainly
is) I
took a bunch of photos and notes to build an article around, but
here's
a link to the broker's web site where one could get a look at the
boat.


http://www.laconneryachtsales.com/co...=laconnerys &
Thanks for the link, Chuck. Nice boat and it seems reasonably priced
if
it's in decent condition. It looks as though it was well taken care
of.

And, it prompted only five (so far) derogatory comments against
Skipper,
not counting the original post, of course.


The original post was not supposed to be a derogatory comment. I
remarked, honestly, that this was the sort of boat that Skipper had,
(at one time at least), been interested in acquiring. I fail to see
how
that was a derogatory comment- and beyond the fact that he was once
shopping for a boat like that (something he has freely attested to
here) there wasn't even a single personal statement.

I do wish he'd elaborate on his feelings that this boat wouldn't be
adequate for coastal cruising from AK to MEX, with occasional
(possible) diversions to HI. Aside from marginal range (easily
corected), I fail to see why this wouldn't be a darn good boat for
the
purpose.

It *is* strange how some folks will use *any* post as an excuse to
make
personal attacks. If I lived where you do, I'd love to have a boat
like
that. I think it's beautiful.
--
John H

******Have a spectacular day!******


Skipper is a Jew-hating, black-hating turd who works overtime at being
obnoxious. Perhaps that kind of hatred is ok with you.

Hatred is hatred Harry and yours is of the type that is particularly
nasty
towards those that disagree with you politics.

Harry needs to look in a mirror.

Boat Recommendation
 

Skipper wrote:
The original spec was for a boat (power OR sail) capable of safe and
comfortable passage between the Gulf of Alaska and San Carlos, Sonora,
Mexico. The stated budget was $180,000. A length of 50' was mentioned
because buyer is 6'3" and standup headroom was a must.

There are a number of 30' boats with 6'3" headroom. To
request a 50-footer for that is absurd.

DSK

Boat Recommendation
 

Skipper wrote:
.... A length of 50' was mentioned
because buyer is 6'3" and standup headroom was a must.


DSK wrote:
There are a number of 30' boats with 6'3" headroom. To
request a 50-footer for that is absurd.


Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
pah - headroom, schmedroom - bend over like the rest of us.

Sounds like you've dropped the soap at least once too often.

DSK

Chuck's Boat Recommendation
 

Skipper wrote:
wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/dkjym

So, for someone looking to cruise from the Gulf of Alaska to the Cortez
and avoid the return bash by diverting to Hawaii you'd recommend that
boat? Fascinating! Do you believe intended usage plays at all in boat
selection?

Absolutely. What do you figure from Mexico to HI, 2500 miles? Maybe a
bit less? (Depends where you set out from, of course) Right now, with
1000 gallons, she's supposed to have an 1800 mile range. Add a pair of
250 gallon fuel tanks and a watermaker you're set. 70,000 lb
displacement, deep draft, full displacement hull? This is what a true
seagoing boat looks like.

To your eye maybe, but not mine. AND I suppose it does depend on what
your definition of is is. While the boat is pleasing to the eye, it is
not the best choice for the stated usage. It's a boat better suited for
inward passage cruising, IMO. Suspect you may have fallen victim to a
bit of stableblindness here, Chuck.

I'll mention just a few of the obvious problems with your choice of the
best boat for the stated usage:

1- Fuel costs for this vessel is about $200+ per day. That can add up
rather quickly on a voyage from Tracy Arm to Mazatlan. Sail might be the
more prudent choice.

2- I believe roll could well be a problem offshore with that boat's
unstablized rounded bottom.

3- Only having one (1) head on long voyages is more of risk than I'd
like to assume.

4- The boat is well short of the amenities needed for such a voyage.
Ground tackle also seems substandard for the intended usage. That
$225,000 asking would only be the starting point to equip this boat for
offshore passagemaking.

There are other shortcomings that would disqualify this boat for subject
passagemaking, but let me note it DOES have some very good things going
for it as a Northwaste boat. Dry stack, keel cooler, woodburner in the
master are a few of the attractions for someone doing your type of
boating.

--
Skipper
Skipper,
Give us a link of your ideal boat within your price range.

--
Reggie
************************************************** *************

Q. What's the difference between a brown-noser and a ****-head?
A. Depth perception.
************************************************** *************

Boat Recommendation
 

DSK wrote:
Skipper wrote:

The original spec was for a boat (power OR sail) capable of safe and
comfortable passage between the Gulf of Alaska and San Carlos, Sonora,
Mexico. The stated budget was $180,000. A length of 50' was mentioned
because buyer is 6'3" and standup headroom was a must.


There are a number of 30' boats with 6'3" headroom. To request a
50-footer for that is absurd.

DSK


Even the Mirage 33 I crewed on for years had 6' 5" headroom.
http://sailquest.com/market/models/mirage35.htm

Boat Recommendation
 

Harry Krause wrote:


Was this a backyard project boat, Chuck?
Hull completed in 1990...
Launched many years later...
Engine from 1985...


This boat was built by the original owner, as time and funds were
available, over a period of several years. The term "backyard project"
would seem to denote some clueless neophyte at work, but it's pretty
obvious the guy knew exactly what he was doing and did it well.

Chuck's Boat Recommendation
 

wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/dkjym


Thanks for the link, Chuck. Interesting boat, if it weren't
on the opposite coast I'd go take a look myself.


..... 70,000 lb
displacement, deep draft, full displacement hull? This is what a true
seagoing boat looks like.


That's not a boat, it's a ship.

Skipper wrote:
To your eye maybe, but not mine. AND I suppose it does depend on what
your definition of is is. While the boat is pleasing to the eye, it is
not the best choice for the stated usage. It's a boat better suited for
inward passage cruising, IMO. Suspect you may have fallen victim to a
bit of stableblindness here, Chuck.


???

Given reasonable structural integrity, that particular boat
looks quite seaworthy to my eye as well.

I'll mention just a few of the obvious problems with your choice of the
best boat for the stated usage:

1- Fuel costs for this vessel is about $200+ per day.

Uh huh. And in a ~50' 30 ton power vessel, what would you
expect for fuel consumption? Unless you're willing to go 5
knots it's very unlikely you'll do any better in any type hull.


.... Sail might be the
more prudent choice.


Yeah, but then you'd have to learn to sail.

2- I believe roll could well be a problem offshore with that boat's
unstablized rounded bottom.


It might be uncomfortable to a landlubber, but if the boat
is ballasted as stated, there is no question of it's
stability. I'd rather have a boat that rolled & had good
reserve stability that one that jerked & slammed, and might
flip bottom-up from a very shallow angle.


3- Only having one (1) head on long voyages is more of risk than I'd
like to assume.


Yeah many lives are lost at sea that way....

I suppose the issue of proper maintenance on the head would
never occur to you? What about the boat's other equipment,
like a single engine?

4- The boat is well short of the amenities needed for such a voyage.
Ground tackle also seems substandard for the intended usage. That
$225,000 asking would only be the starting point to equip this boat for
offshore passagemaking.


I think Chuck tried to make this point to you earlier when
you were griping that he couldn't find you a boat for your
desired price.



Reggie Smithers wrote:
Skipper,
Give us a link of your ideal boat within your price range.


What he said.

Regards
Doug King

Chuck's Boat Recommendation
 

DSK wrote:

Skipper wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/dkjym

To your eye maybe, but not mine. AND I suppose it does depend on what
your definition of is is. While the boat is pleasing to the eye, it is
not the best choice for the stated usage. It's a boat better suited for
inward passage cruising, IMO.

Given reasonable structural integrity, that particular boat
looks quite seaworthy to my eye.

The original spec was for safe and *comfortable* passage. I guarantee
excessive roll would be a problem in offshore seaways with that
hullform. That effects BOTH safe and comfortable passage. Yes,
stabilizers or vanes could mitigate the problem, but not as well as
sail. That low midships freeboard would also insure wet decks. And let's
not forget the starting point for this boat is $200,000+. When you add
safety gear, electronics, and other amenities required for offshore
passagemaking where do you see the costs to splash this boat?

I'll mention just a few of the obvious problems with your choice of the
best boat for the stated usage:

1- Fuel costs for this vessel is about $200+ per day.

Uh huh. And in a ~50' vessel, what would you
expect for fuel consumption?

Considerably higher than for a proper sailboat.

.... Sail might be the more prudent choice.

Yeah, but then you'd have to learn to sail.

Well then, we are always learnin'.

2- I believe roll could well be a problem offshore with that boat's
unstablized rounded bottom.

It might be uncomfortable to a landlubber, but if the boat
is ballasted as stated, there is no question of it's
stability. I'd rather have a boat that rolled & had good
reserve stability that one that jerked & slammed, and might
flip bottom-up from a very shallow angle.

Most prudent and experienced sailors would prefer less roll.

3- Only having one (1) head on long voyages is more of risk than I'd
like to assume.

Yeah many lives are lost at sea that way....

Believe you underestimate the risk here also.

--
Skipper

Boat Recommendation
 

Harry Krause wrote:

Some parts of the boat have attractive lines, but other parts are a dead
giveaway that it was a backyard project boat. While a qualified surveyor
might attest to its general condition or integrity, betting on whether
the boat was seakindly would take someone willing to accept long odds. A
quick trial isn't going to tell you much.

For $200,000 plus, there are many nice choices available in used
cruising boats. This particular behemoth would not be one I'd consider
if I were in that market.

But it is a very interesting boat, to be sure.

Can't believe I actually concur with his preliminary assessment.

--
Skipper

Chuck's Boat Recommendation
 

Given reasonable structural integrity, that particular boat
looks quite seaworthy to my eye.


Skipper wrote:
The original spec was for safe and *comfortable* passage. I guarantee
excessive roll would be a problem in offshore seaways with that
hullform.

I guarantee that
1- you could install a set of stabilizer fins on that
particular boat

2- any boat in a seaway is going to roll. If you can't stand
it, don't go to sea in a boat.


... That low midships freeboard would also insure wet decks.

And higher freeboard would do *what* exactly to the
stability & rolling?


.... And let's
not forget the starting point for this boat is $200,000+. When you add
safety gear, electronics, and other amenities required for offshore
passagemaking where do you see the costs to splash this boat?


That's the asking price, not the getting price... but
personally I'd expect to spend 10% of the boat's price on
commissioning it to my tastes, as a minimum, and budget a
lot more if the boat is poorly equipped.

Judging by the pics, it looks like this boat was at least
prepared for short range use, which is a good starting point.

OTOH what have you found on the market that is a
substantially better vessel at a substantially better price?



I'll mention just a few of the obvious problems with your choice of the
best boat for the stated usage:


1- Fuel costs for this vessel is about $200+ per day.



Uh huh. And in a ~50' vessel, what would you
expect for fuel consumption?


Considerably higher than for a proper sailboat.


And were you shopping for a sailboat? You've never mentioned
the slightest interest in sailing... that I saw, admittedly
I don't read even 1/10th of your posts.


.... Sail might be the more prudent choice.


Yeah, but then you'd have to learn to sail.


Well then, we are always learnin'.


Years back when you were looking for a passagemaker, did you
tell Chuck you wanted a sailboat? If so, I missed that part
of the story.

Another thing you might be interested to know is that
sailboats don't cost substantially less to operate over a
given period of time. You can look at several industry
studies on the subject. The common perception that sailors
are cheapskates is not backed up in fact.

DSK

Boat Recommendation
 

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 07:26:48 -0500, DSK wrote:

Skipper wrote:
The original spec was for a boat (power OR sail) capable of safe and
comfortable passage between the Gulf of Alaska and San Carlos, Sonora,
Mexico. The stated budget was $180,000. A length of 50' was mentioned
because buyer is 6'3" and standup headroom was a must.

There are a number of 30' boats with 6'3" headroom. To
request a 50-footer for that is absurd.

pah - headroom, schmedroom - bend over like the rest of us.

OK, Igor.

Boat Recommendation
 

Harry Krause wrote:


For $200,000 plus, there are many nice choices available in used
cruising boats. This particular behemoth would not be one I'd consider
if I were in that market.

But it is a very interesting boat, to be sure.

If you know of some good bluewater long range cruising boats, 50-feet
or thereabouts, available for around $200k, why not post a link to one?

One of the challenges Skipper has faced all these years hasn't been a
lack of suitable boats available, but rather a lack of suitable boats
in good condition in his price range.
It seems that he also expects to find one ready to go, with no
modifications or upgrades required for his intended use.

I think he may indeed find few more choices among sailboats capable of
making HI from the West Coast (and if capable of that, it will coastal
cruise from AK to MEX), available at that $180,000 price bracket., but
I don't pretend to know much about sailboats or sailing.

Boat Recommendation
 

Boat Recommendation
 

"Skipper" wrote in message
...
wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

For $200,000 plus, there are many nice choices available in used
cruising boats. This particular behemoth would not be one I'd consider
if I were in that market.

If you know of some good bluewater long range cruising boats, 50-feet
or thereabouts, available for around $200k, why not post a link to one?

Skipper posted a NG Challenge to this forum yesterday suspecting there
would be no serious takers. Had the exact same post been issued to the
cruising NG, many responsible replies would have been forthcoming. He
would not, of course, issue to that NG because of the flaming idjits
that post would attract there. This was once the premier boating NG in
Usenet. Sadly, that is no longer true.

In that same vein, had Skipper posted info about his boat or ANY subject
boat, the info would only fuel more mindless flames. After all, that is
all some 'contributors' bring to the table these days.

--
Skipper



Skipper, ask Skipper if he smokes pot.

Eisboch

Boat Recommendation
 

On 22 Jan 2006 12:10:37 -0800, wrote:

It seems that he also expects to find one ready to go, with no
modifications or upgrades required for his intended use.

Totally unrealistic of course. A new 50 is out of the question at
$1M+, and any used 50 at $200K is going to need lots of work before it
goes safely offshore. Speaking from recent experience it is very easy
to spend $15K+ just on basic communications equipment and safety gear
for offshore passaging. Upgraded RADAR, sounder and Nav equipment is
at least another $10K with professional installation. Virtually all
used boats will be deficient in most of these areas in addition to
having a lot of deferred maintenance on the mechanical equipment.

Sail is out of the question for anyone over 60 and with no experience.

Diesel fuel, even on a LRC is going to run about $1/mile. Basic
maintenance will add at least another $1/mile.