On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 16:02:39 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

Skipper, ask Skipper if he smokes pot.

I think they call it loco weed in Kansas.

"Wayne.B" wrote:

It seems that he also expects to find one ready to go (with MINOR mods).

Totally unrealistic of course.

If this were school, you wouldn't be pleased with your grade...of
Course.

--
Skipper

It seems that he also expects to find one ready to go (with MINOR mods).


"Wayne.B" wrote:
Totally unrealistic of course.


Skipper wrote:
If this were school, you wouldn't be pleased with your grade...of
Course.

What a condescending butt-head.

Wayne is doing the kind of cruising you were wasting Chuck's
time daydreaming about. I guess you're in a position to give
him a grade, all right.

DSK

Skipper wrote:
wrote:


Harry Krause wrote:


For $200,000 plus, there are many nice choices available in used
cruising boats. This particular behemoth would not be one I'd consider
if I were in that market.


If you know of some good bluewater long range cruising boats, 50-feet
or thereabouts, available for around $200k, why not post a link to one?


Skipper posted a NG Challenge to this forum yesterday suspecting there
would be no serious takers. Had the exact same post been issued to the
cruising NG, many responsible replies would have been forthcoming. He
would not, of course, issue to that NG because of the flaming idjits
that post would attract there. This was once the premier boating NG in
Usenet. Sadly, that is no longer true.

In that same vein, had Skipper posted info about his boat or ANY subject
boat, the info would only fuel more mindless flames. After all, that is
all some 'contributors' bring to the table these days.

--
Skipper


Why are you talking about yourself in the third person?
(insert Twilight Theme)

"Don White" wrote in message
...

Skipper wrote:
wrote:


In that same vein, had Skipper posted info about his boat or ANY subject
boat, the info would only fuel more mindless flames. After all, that is
all some 'contributors' bring to the table these days.

--
Skipper


Why are you talking about yourself in the third person?
(insert Twilight Theme)


loco weed

Eisboch

On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 17:31:31 -0600, Skipper wrote:

If this were school, you wouldn't be pleased with your grade...of
Course.

Since I recently purchased a used boat in your stated size range,
after looking at countless others, and doing the necessary upgrades, I
believe that some claim to first hand knowledge is appropriate.

Your mileage may vary but I doubt it.

I think the closest you'll get in your price range is an old clapped
out sailboat that needs a ton of work. And then you'll need to learn
how to sail it.

Go to Ft Lauderdale which has more used boats for sale than any other
place that I know. There are always some Cal 2-46s available. This
is a boat that has crossed oceans and circumnavigated more than anyone
can count, and you can buy them for $100K or less if you shop around.

We looked at a couple. They were all in need of major refits: new
engine, new genset, new rigging, new sails, new electronics, canvas,
you name it, plus major cosmetic work. Talk to anyone who has done
that kind of work on a 46 footer and you will be staggered by the
price.

Wayne.B wrote:
Since I recently purchased a used boat in your stated size range,
after looking at countless others, and doing the necessary upgrades, I
believe that some claim to first hand knowledge is appropriate.

Your mileage may vary but I doubt it.

I think the closest you'll get in your price range is an old clapped
out sailboat that needs a ton of work. And then you'll need to learn
how to sail it.


I dunno about that, although I do think Skippie has been
very unrealistic in his demands and cretinously harsh in his
approbation of others. I also get a laugh out of the picture
of him trying to learn to sail.


Go to Ft Lauderdale which has more used boats for sale than any other
place that I know. There are always some Cal 2-46s available. This
is a boat that has crossed oceans and circumnavigated more than anyone
can count, and you can buy them for $100K or less if you shop around.

We looked at a couple. They were all in need of major refits: new
engine, new genset, new rigging, new sails, new electronics, canvas,
you name it, plus major cosmetic work. Talk to anyone who has done
that kind of work on a 46 footer and you will be staggered by the
price.


I bet he can't even guess the ballpark of what it would cost
to replace the charger/starter cables, or why you would want to.

However, trying to be fair, I did take a quick look at some
of the offerings on Yachtworld.com and was pretty surprised
at the pickings... yes, lots of 30yo clapped-out
sportfishers and 40yo clapped-out (and rotted)
Chris-Crafts... but also some boats that might offer some
potential for Skipper *if* he had realistic expectations
about what it costs toown & operate such a boat... like fuel
cost, for example...

There were some interesting converted working craft, too,
genuine North Sea motor fishing vessels or classic tugs.


54' Bluewater Flying Bridge Sedan
* Year: 1981
* Current Price: US$ 159,995
* Located in Halls Crossing, UT
* Hull Material: Fiberglass
* Engine/Fuel Type: Twin Diesel
http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi..._boats=1344412

53' Dyna (YF)
* Year: 2003
* Current Price: US$ 177,000
* Located in Hong Kong
* Hull Material: Fiberglass
* Engine/Fuel Type: Twin



53' Skookhum Pilot House
* Year: 1979
* Current Price: US$ 175,000
* Located in Phuket, Thailand
* Hull Material: Fiberglass
* Engine/Fuel Type: Single Diesel
http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi..._boats=1384866
this one is more of a motorsailer, save on fuel... until you
have to buy new sails or running rigging...

52' cutter motorship
* Year: 2000
* Current Price: EUR 92,500
(US$ 112,203)
* Located in Middenmeer, Holland (Netherlands)
* Hull Material: Steel
* Engine/Fuel Type: Single Diesel
http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi..._boats=1467841



52' Champion Yachts Taiwan Champion 52
* Year: 1992
* Current Price: US$ 174,000
* Located in Hong Kong
* Hull Material: Fiberglass
* Engine/Fuel Type: Twin Diesel
http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi..._boats=1465963


52' Steel Ex Research Vessel
* Year: 1957
* Current Price: US$ 140,000
* Located in MI, United States
* Hull Material: Steel
* Engine/Fuel Type: Twin Diesel
http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi..._boats=1483393

50' Bestway Cockpit Motoryacht
* Year: 1985
* Current Price: US$ 185,000
* Located in San Diego, CA
* Hull Material: Fiberglass
* Engine/Fuel Type: Twin Diesel
"This vessel has just returned from a two-year cruise in the
Sea of Cortez. Inspiration offers the ultimate in comfort
and safety."
http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi..._boats=1343096

50' Sintes LRC 1981/2003
* Year: 1981
* Current Price: US$ 159,000
* Located in New Orleans, LA
* Hull Material: Fiberglass
* Engine/Fuel Type: Single Diesel
http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi..._boats=1332387


49' Albin Tri-Cabin
* Year: 1980
* Current Price: US$ 129,000
* Located in St. Petersburg, FL
* Hull Material: Fiberglass
* Engine/Fuel Type: Twin Diesel
http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi..._boats=1472603

So when are you leaving, Skip?

DSK

On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 21:33:56 -0500, DSK wrote:

49' Albin Tri-Cabin
* Year: 1980
* Current Price: US$ 129,000
* Located in St. Petersburg, FL
* Hull Material: Fiberglass
* Engine/Fuel Type: Twin Diesel
http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi..._boats=1472603

Quoting from the listing: "She is priced below market to reflect some
deck repairs which will be necessary."

Not a good thing, and if the deck needs repair what kind of
maintenance have those Ford Lehmans and the two gensets been getting?

And what about those black iron fuel tanks that are so famous for
rusting out?

My guess is well over $50K to get it ship shape, probably closer to
$100K if you want everthing done right.

The Skookum in Thailand is another interesting listing since the Skook
is a proven world cruiser, and has long been an object of Snipper's
affection. Good ones are going for around $300K so we can probably
infer that the one in Phuket has other issues besides an inconvenient
location. They have one other minor drawback: a draft of 8 feet
which can get you hard aground almost anywhere you choose.

DSK wrote:


So when are you leaving, Skip?

DSK


His mind left a long time ago. His body can't get up off the couch to
follow.

On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 22:10:50 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

That's not such a bad thing; a deep draft will keep Skipper way offshore.

Yep. We should award him a few points for getting a lively on topic
discussion going, with a minimum of personal invective. And if being
an opinionated and cantankerous old coot was worth anything, he'd be
well into the bonus round.