On 20 Jan 2006 17:59:17 -0800, wrote:

If Dave M. were still in the market for a boat, I came across something
that would have appealed to him 6 or 7 years ago when he was in Seattle
doing some shopping.

I went up to LaConner today to see if I could find an interesting boat
for the NW Classics column of our magazine, and I hit paydirt. This is
a one-off world cruiser, full displacement hull, 30 tons of lead
ballast, no windows below the main deck, etc etc etc.(The boat itself
isn't truly a classic, but the design and concept most certainly is) I
took a bunch of photos and notes to build an article around, but here's
a link to the broker's web site where one could get a look at the boat.

http://www.laconneryachtsales.com/co...=laconnerys &

Thanks for the link, Chuck. Nice boat and it seems reasonably priced if
it's in decent condition. It looks as though it was well taken care of.

And, it prompted only five (so far) derogatory comments against Skipper,
not counting the original post, of course.


--
John H

******Have a spectacular day!******

JohnH wrote:
On 20 Jan 2006 17:59:17 -0800, wrote:

If Dave M. were still in the market for a boat, I came across something
that would have appealed to him 6 or 7 years ago when he was in Seattle
doing some shopping.

I went up to LaConner today to see if I could find an interesting boat
for the NW Classics column of our magazine, and I hit paydirt. This is
a one-off world cruiser, full displacement hull, 30 tons of lead
ballast, no windows below the main deck, etc etc etc.(The boat itself
isn't truly a classic, but the design and concept most certainly is) I
took a bunch of photos and notes to build an article around, but here's
a link to the broker's web site where one could get a look at the boat.

http://www.laconneryachtsales.com/co...=laconnerys &

Thanks for the link, Chuck. Nice boat and it seems reasonably priced if
it's in decent condition. It looks as though it was well taken care of.

And, it prompted only five (so far) derogatory comments against Skipper,
not counting the original post, of course.



The original post was not supposed to be a derogatory comment. I
remarked, honestly, that this was the sort of boat that Skipper had,
(at one time at least), been interested in acquiring. I fail to see how
that was a derogatory comment- and beyond the fact that he was once
shopping for a boat like that (something he has freely attested to
here) there wasn't even a single personal statement.

I do wish he'd elaborate on his feelings that this boat wouldn't be
adequate for coastal cruising from AK to MEX, with occasional
(possible) diversions to HI. Aside from marginal range (easily
corected), I fail to see why this wouldn't be a darn good boat for the
purpose.

wrote:
JohnH wrote:
On 20 Jan 2006 17:59:17 -0800, wrote:

If Dave M. were still in the market for a boat, I came across something
that would have appealed to him 6 or 7 years ago when he was in Seattle
doing some shopping.

I went up to LaConner today to see if I could find an interesting boat
for the NW Classics column of our magazine, and I hit paydirt. This is
a one-off world cruiser, full displacement hull, 30 tons of lead
ballast, no windows below the main deck, etc etc etc.(The boat itself
isn't truly a classic, but the design and concept most certainly is) I
took a bunch of photos and notes to build an article around, but here's
a link to the broker's web site where one could get a look at the boat.

http://www.laconneryachtsales.com/co...=laconnerys &
Thanks for the link, Chuck. Nice boat and it seems reasonably priced if
it's in decent condition. It looks as though it was well taken care of.

And, it prompted only five (so far) derogatory comments against Skipper,
not counting the original post, of course.



The original post was not supposed to be a derogatory comment. I
remarked, honestly, that this was the sort of boat that Skipper had,
(at one time at least), been interested in acquiring. I fail to see how
that was a derogatory comment- and beyond the fact that he was once
shopping for a boat like that (something he has freely attested to
here) there wasn't even a single personal statement.

I do wish he'd elaborate on his feelings that this boat wouldn't be
adequate for coastal cruising from AK to MEX, with occasional
(possible) diversions to HI. Aside from marginal range (easily
corected), I fail to see why this wouldn't be a darn good boat for the
purpose.

Chuck,
It was a great looking boat, why was the price so reasonable?

--
Reggie
************************************************** *************

Q. What's the difference between a brown-noser and a ****-head?
A. Depth perception.
************************************************** *************

On 21 Jan 2006 09:32:40 -0800, wrote:


JohnH wrote:
On 20 Jan 2006 17:59:17 -0800, wrote:

If Dave M. were still in the market for a boat, I came across something
that would have appealed to him 6 or 7 years ago when he was in Seattle
doing some shopping.

I went up to LaConner today to see if I could find an interesting boat
for the NW Classics column of our magazine, and I hit paydirt. This is
a one-off world cruiser, full displacement hull, 30 tons of lead
ballast, no windows below the main deck, etc etc etc.(The boat itself
isn't truly a classic, but the design and concept most certainly is) I
took a bunch of photos and notes to build an article around, but here's
a link to the broker's web site where one could get a look at the boat.

http://www.laconneryachtsales.com/co...=laconnerys &

Thanks for the link, Chuck. Nice boat and it seems reasonably priced if
it's in decent condition. It looks as though it was well taken care of.

And, it prompted only five (so far) derogatory comments against Skipper,
not counting the original post, of course.



The original post was not supposed to be a derogatory comment. I
remarked, honestly, that this was the sort of boat that Skipper had,
(at one time at least), been interested in acquiring. I fail to see how
that was a derogatory comment- and beyond the fact that he was once
shopping for a boat like that (something he has freely attested to
here) there wasn't even a single personal statement.

I do wish he'd elaborate on his feelings that this boat wouldn't be
adequate for coastal cruising from AK to MEX, with occasional
(possible) diversions to HI. Aside from marginal range (easily
corected), I fail to see why this wouldn't be a darn good boat for the
purpose.

It *is* strange how some folks will use *any* post as an excuse to make
personal attacks. If I lived where you do, I'd love to have a boat like
that. I think it's beautiful.
--
John H

******Have a spectacular day!******

wrote:

I do wish he'd elaborate on his feelings that this boat wouldn't be
adequate for coastal cruising from AK to MEX, with occasional
(possible) diversions to HI. Aside from marginal range (easily
corected), I fail to see why this wouldn't be a darn good boat for the
purpose.

The original spec was for a boat (power OR sail) capable of safe and
comfortable passage between the Gulf of Alaska and San Carlos, Sonora,
Mexico. The stated budget was $180,000. A length of 50' was mentioned
because buyer is 6'3" and standup headroom was a must. I do not think
this boat represents the best choice for the intended usage.

--
Skipper

Skipper wrote:

The original spec was for a boat (power OR sail) capable of safe and
comfortable passage between the Gulf of Alaska and San Carlos, Sonora,
Mexico. The stated budget was $180,000. A length of 50' was mentioned
because buyer is 6'3" and standup headroom was a must. I do not think
this boat represents the best choice for the intended usage.

--
Skipper

That's certainly your call to make, however I should probably address a
few of your points:

First, as this is a deep draft, full displacement hull the headroom is
outstanding. It's a long way from the bilge to the main deck. Headroom
certainly exceeds 6' 3" feet in the main cabin, galley, pilothouse, and
master stateroom. Headroom in the engine room is almost exactly 6-feet,
(I can stand up in there, and I'm just a whisker short of 6-feet), and
that was the lowest clearance I found anywhere.

The inconsequential difference in length between this boat and a
"50-footer" is going to be meaningless as far as hull speed goes, and
this boat seems beamier by far than many nominal 50's.

The seller recently reduced the price from somewhere closer to $250k
down to the $210,000 level. If someone were in the market, they would
call Art or Marcie at LYS and arrange to submit a written offer, with a
deposit, for a sales price of $180k subject to physical inspection, sea
trial, and survey. The worst that could happen is they would be told
the boat wasn't available for the sort of money one might like to
spend- but if one submits a written offer with a deposit the broker is
required to present your offer to the seller before suggesting that you
buzz off or come up with a few more bucks.

If the boat didn't appeal to a prospective buyer for some objective or
subjective reason, that would be one thing- but it would be hard to
write it off as unavailable at $180,000 without taking a run at the
seller with an offer. Stranger things have happened. As this is a
one-off, custom vessel who's to say what it's really "worth" in the
marketplace? (It's worth what it will sell for, and no more).

As far as sail goes: Most guys your age are getting rid of sailboats
and going to trawlers as the sailing becomes too physically demanding.
Are you in shape to sail a 50-footer with Mrs. Skipper along for crew?

Skipper wrote:
The original spec was for a boat (power OR sail) capable of safe and
comfortable passage between the Gulf of Alaska and San Carlos, Sonora,
Mexico. The stated budget was $180,000. A length of 50' was mentioned
because buyer is 6'3" and standup headroom was a must.

There are a number of 30' boats with 6'3" headroom. To
request a 50-footer for that is absurd.

DSK

DSK wrote:
Skipper wrote:

The original spec was for a boat (power OR sail) capable of safe and
comfortable passage between the Gulf of Alaska and San Carlos, Sonora,
Mexico. The stated budget was $180,000. A length of 50' was mentioned
because buyer is 6'3" and standup headroom was a must.


There are a number of 30' boats with 6'3" headroom. To request a
50-footer for that is absurd.

DSK


Even the Mirage 33 I crewed on for years had 6' 5" headroom.
http://sailquest.com/market/models/mirage35.htm