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OT You were right Harry!
A week ago a few of us were discussing HD television sets.
In the meantime my mom's older Sears 27" is starting to act up & I was trying to convince her to buy a LCD version. Yesterday, my JVC 27" went south. I've had a bad solder connection for years....since just after the 3 year warranty expired. All I had to do was slap it upside the case and it straightened out. Now, after a few minutes, all I have is about a half inch high picture stretched across the middle of the screen. I'm guessing it's the horizontal hold control. Anyway the TV is 8 years old and I'm anxious to upgrade to HD so I dug out my Consumer Reports magazines and started reading. To my surprise, they say the newer HD CRT sets have the best picture, give the best black contrast, better viewing from any angle and have a proven reliability record...... plus they are half the price of LED sets. I called a local SONY store and the salesperson confirmed that this is true...she stated that the best HD CRT set was better than their new Bravia LCD model...which is darn good. The downside of course is the size of the unit (depth) and the substantial weight. That store is sold out of the 30" wide screen model I want until the end of the month. I'll start shopping around. |
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Harry Krause wrote: Don White wrote: A week ago a few of us were discussing HD television sets. In the meantime my mom's older Sears 27" is starting to act up & I was trying to convince her to buy a LCD version. Yesterday, my JVC 27" went south. I've had a bad solder connection for years....since just after the 3 year warranty expired. All I had to do was slap it upside the case and it straightened out. Now, after a few minutes, all I have is about a half inch high picture stretched across the middle of the screen. I'm guessing it's the horizontal hold control. Anyway the TV is 8 years old and I'm anxious to upgrade to HD so I dug out my Consumer Reports magazines and started reading. To my surprise, they say the newer HD CRT sets have the best picture, give the best black contrast, better viewing from any angle and have a proven reliability record...... plus they are half the price of LED sets. I called a local SONY store and the salesperson confirmed that this is true...she stated that the best HD CRT set was better than their new Bravia LCD model...which is darn good. The downside of course is the size of the unit (depth) and the substantial weight. That store is sold out of the 30" wide screen model I want until the end of the month. I'll start shopping around. There's really nothing better than a really good CRT HD if what you are The thing I really like about CRT HD is the wide viewing angle. Most LCD's have quite a narrow angle, you need to just about be in front of it, and at the right height. My brother in law got a huge LCD wall mounted unit, only to find out that he couldn't sit on the floor with his kids and watch it! |
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Eisboch wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message ... wrote: Harry Krause wrote: Don White wrote: A week ago a few of us were discussing HD television sets. In the meantime my mom's older Sears 27" is starting to act up & I was trying to convince her to buy a LCD version. Yesterday, my JVC 27" went south. I've had a bad solder connection for years....since just after the 3 year warranty expired. All I had to do was slap it upside the case and it straightened out. Now, after a few minutes, all I have is about a half inch high picture stretched across the middle of the screen. I'm guessing it's the horizontal hold control. Anyway the TV is 8 years old and I'm anxious to upgrade to HD so I dug out my Consumer Reports magazines and started reading. To my surprise, they say the newer HD CRT sets have the best picture, give the best black contrast, better viewing from any angle and have a proven reliability record...... plus they are half the price of LED sets. I called a local SONY store and the salesperson confirmed that this is true...she stated that the best HD CRT set was better than their new Bravia LCD model...which is darn good. The downside of course is the size of the unit (depth) and the substantial weight. That store is sold out of the 30" wide screen model I want until the end of the month. I'll start shopping around. There's really nothing better than a really good CRT HD if what you are The thing I really like about CRT HD is the wide viewing angle. Most LCD's have quite a narrow angle, you need to just about be in front of it, and at the right height. My brother in law got a huge LCD wall mounted unit, only to find out that he couldn't sit on the floor with his kids and watch it! If you are checking out LCD HDTVs... look at the Sony Bravia. I walked side to side and it was great at all viewing angles. Very pricy though. I figure by the time I wear out a new HD Wide Screen CRT set (6-8 years), LCDs should be much improved and more reasonably priced. Some of the Sony displays utilize a multi-layer coating by 3M that reduces glare and enhances the brightness of the display. Many LCD displays use a dipped, Gel type anti-reflection coating. The 3-M coating, although superior, is more expensive to apply. I recently "retired" an old, 32-inch JVC color TV monitor that had an absolutely beautiful display. Colors were natural and rich, better than any of the new LCD or Plasma displays that I've seen. It didn't have a tuner - it was just a monitor and was "on" all the time, displaying a black screen unless it was getting a video input. It finally died and when I pulled it out (weighed about 200 lbs) I noticed the date of manufacture ..... Nov, 1988. Eisboch That's the other important consideration. Proven reliability vs ??. Consumer Reports says 1 year old LCDs have been very reliable....but can't comment on long term durability. When I was working, our technicians would keep the monitors on year after year unless something failed. Seems the act of turning off & on might slightly stress certain components. |
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Don White wrote:
Eisboch wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... wrote: Harry Krause wrote: Don White wrote: A week ago a few of us were discussing HD television sets. In the meantime my mom's older Sears 27" is starting to act up & I was trying to convince her to buy a LCD version. Yesterday, my JVC 27" went south. I've had a bad solder connection for years....since just after the 3 year warranty expired. All I had to do was slap it upside the case and it straightened out. Now, after a few minutes, all I have is about a half inch high picture stretched across the middle of the screen. I'm guessing it's the horizontal hold control. Anyway the TV is 8 years old and I'm anxious to upgrade to HD so I dug out my Consumer Reports magazines and started reading. To my surprise, they say the newer HD CRT sets have the best picture, give the best black contrast, better viewing from any angle and have a proven reliability record...... plus they are half the price of LED sets. I called a local SONY store and the salesperson confirmed that this is true...she stated that the best HD CRT set was better than their new Bravia LCD model...which is darn good. The downside of course is the size of the unit (depth) and the substantial weight. That store is sold out of the 30" wide screen model I want until the end of the month. I'll start shopping around. There's really nothing better than a really good CRT HD if what you are The thing I really like about CRT HD is the wide viewing angle. Most LCD's have quite a narrow angle, you need to just about be in front of it, and at the right height. My brother in law got a huge LCD wall mounted unit, only to find out that he couldn't sit on the floor with his kids and watch it! If you are checking out LCD HDTVs... look at the Sony Bravia. I walked side to side and it was great at all viewing angles. Very pricy though. I figure by the time I wear out a new HD Wide Screen CRT set (6-8 years), LCDs should be much improved and more reasonably priced. Some of the Sony displays utilize a multi-layer coating by 3M that reduces glare and enhances the brightness of the display. Many LCD displays use a dipped, Gel type anti-reflection coating. The 3-M coating, although superior, is more expensive to apply. I recently "retired" an old, 32-inch JVC color TV monitor that had an absolutely beautiful display. Colors were natural and rich, better than any of the new LCD or Plasma displays that I've seen. It didn't have a tuner - it was just a monitor and was "on" all the time, displaying a black screen unless it was getting a video input. It finally died and when I pulled it out (weighed about 200 lbs) I noticed the date of manufacture ..... Nov, 1988. Eisboch That's the other important consideration. Proven reliability vs ??. Consumer Reports says 1 year old LCDs have been very reliable....but can't comment on long term durability. When I was working, our technicians would keep the monitors on year after year unless something failed. Seems the act of turning off & on might slightly stress certain components. They estimate a perfect LCD or plasma will last about 10 yrs. -- Reggie ****** |
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"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message . .. They estimate a perfect LCD or plasma will last about 10 yrs. -- Reggie ****** Samsung claims that the plasma display of their units will last 60,000 hours or approximately 26 years using it an average of 6 hours a day. It makes sense to me given that the plasma pixel is simply a contained mini cell of gas that becomes ionized when used. In the process of ionization light is emitted. Once the ionizing potential is removed, the gas reverts back to it's original state. There is no consumable component as long as the gas does not leak out. Conventional cathode ray tubes emit electrons from a filament that eventually will break or simply thin to a point of becoming unusable. Other components (power supplies, etc.) will crap out long before then. Eisboch |
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Eisboch wrote:
"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message . .. They estimate a perfect LCD or plasma will last about 10 yrs. -- Reggie ****** Samsung claims that the plasma display of their units will last 60,000 hours or approximately 26 years using it an average of 6 hours a day. It makes sense to me given that the plasma pixel is simply a contained mini cell of gas that becomes ionized when used. In the process of ionization light is emitted. Once the ionizing potential is removed, the gas reverts back to it's original state. There is no consumable component as long as the gas does not leak out. Conventional cathode ray tubes emit electrons from a filament that eventually will break or simply thin to a point of becoming unusable. Other components (power supplies, etc.) will crap out long before then. Eisboch Richard, I had a salesman tell me the expected life of both plasma and LCD was 8 - 10 yrs. Since I couldn't imagine them underestimated the life, I went searching on the Internet to see what I could find. It seems the manufacturer. orginally underestimated the lifespan. According to this article, you are basically correct. They did disagree that the gas reverts back to the original state, they state it will lose it's brightness over time, but very gradually, after 50,000 hrs, it will be at 50% of brightness. By that time, we be watching hologram TV. http://www.plasmatvbuyingguide.com/p...matv-life.html http://www.plasmatvbuyingguide.com/p...-lifespan.html -- Reggie ****** |
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Reggie Smithers wrote:
Eisboch wrote: Samsung claims that the plasma display of their units will last 60,000 hours or approximately 26 years using it an average of 6 hours a day. It makes sense to me given that the plasma pixel is simply a contained mini cell of gas that becomes ionized when used. In the process of ionization light is emitted. Once the ionizing potential is removed, the gas reverts back to it's original state. There is no consumable component as long as the gas does not leak out. Conventional cathode ray tubes emit electrons from a filament that eventually will break or simply thin to a point of becoming unusable. Other components (power supplies, etc.) will crap out long before then. Richard, I had a salesman tell me the expected life of both plasma and LCD was 8 - 10 yrs. Since I couldn't imagine them underestimated the life, I went searching on the Internet to see what I could find. It seems the manufacturer. orginally underestimated the lifespan. According to this article, you are basically correct. They did disagree that the gas reverts back to the original state, they state it will lose it's brightness over time, but very gradually, after 50,000 hrs, it will be at 50% of brightness. By that time, we be watching hologram TV. http://www.plasmatvbuyingguide.com/p...matv-life.html http://www.plasmatvbuyingguide.com/p...-lifespan.html There is also quite a bulb cost delta between the technologies. Have been told the current best value is Samsung's 50" DLP. -- Skipper |
OT You were right Harry!
There is also quite a bulb cost delta between the technologies. Have been told the current best value is Samsung's 50" DLP. Its TV picture does not deteriorate like the plasma's. Additionally, the plasma consumes 3 to 4 times more power. -- Skipper |
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that time, we be watching hologram TV.
http://www.plasmatvbuyingguide.com/p...matv-life.html http://www.plasmatvbuyingguide.com/p...-lifespan.html There is also quite a bulb cost delta between the technologies. Have been told the current best value is Samsung's 50" DLP. -- Skipper Skipper, You just convinced me to wait a few years, it seems the technology is changing so quickly I am going to wait for the dust to settle. I don't want to buy a "Beta VCR". In reality, with 2 kids in college, I was going to wait anyway. ') -- Reggie ****** |
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"Skipper" wrote in message ... Reggie Smithers wrote: Eisboch wrote: Samsung claims that the plasma display of their units will last 60,000 hours or approximately 26 years using it an average of 6 hours a day. It makes sense to me given that the plasma pixel is simply a contained mini cell of gas that becomes ionized when used. In the process of ionization light is emitted. Once the ionizing potential is removed, the gas reverts back to it's original state. There is no consumable component as long as the gas does not leak out. Conventional cathode ray tubes emit electrons from a filament that eventually will break or simply thin to a point of becoming unusable. Other components (power supplies, etc.) will crap out long before then. Richard, I had a salesman tell me the expected life of both plasma and LCD was 8 - 10 yrs. Since I couldn't imagine them underestimated the life, I went searching on the Internet to see what I could find. It seems the manufacturer. orginally underestimated the lifespan. According to this article, you are basically correct. They did disagree that the gas reverts back to the original state, they state it will lose it's brightness over time, but very gradually, after 50,000 hrs, it will be at 50% of brightness. By that time, we be watching hologram TV. http://www.plasmatvbuyingguide.com/p...matv-life.html http://www.plasmatvbuyingguide.com/p...-lifespan.html There is also quite a bulb cost delta between the technologies. Have been told the current best value is Samsung's 50" DLP. -- Skipper Maybe, but you need to go and view a DLP set. I checked them out and the view angle is terrible. A plasma is much, much better at 170 degrees. Eisboch |
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Reggie Smithers wrote:
There is also quite a bulb cost delta between the technologies. Have been told the current best value is Samsung's 50" DLP. Skipper, You just convinced me to wait a few years, it seems the technology is changing so quickly I am going to wait for the dust to settle. I don't want to buy a "Beta VCR". In reality, with 2 kids in college, I was going to wait anyway. ') Really, the Samsung DLP is a great picture and at the right price TODAY. Check the 'big screen TV' reviews that compare plasma, LCD, vacuum, and DLP technologies. You'll get a view of the competing systems. Remember, we go full digital in '09. You'll just be seeing more and more letterbox in the interim. -- Skipper |
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Eisboch wrote:
There is also quite a bulb cost delta between the technologies. Have been told the current best value is Samsung's 50" DLP. Maybe, but you need to go and view a DLP set. I checked them out and the view angle is terrible. A plasma is much, much better at 170 degrees. Now this IS getting interesting. Kinda reminds me of that old boat discussion over 'compomise'...and we do know that some contend they have "no compromise" boats. However, at least for most of us, compromise is a fact of life. LIFESPAN DLP manufacturers list the backlight bulb hours at around 80,000 hours. What's more, this bulb can be replaced for as little as $200 in some cases. Certain DLP TV displays require a technician to change their bulbs, and this will cost you more than the lamp itself. In other cases, though, the DLP is configured in a way that makes it easy for a layperson to replace burned-out bulbs. It all depends on the make and model of your DLP. And, since DLP is a mirror and light technology, once the bulb is replaced, the DLP should perform as well as it did when it was brand new. Plasma, by contrast, uses a small electric pulse for each pixel to excite the rare natural gases argon, neon, and xenon (a k a "phosphors") to produce the color information and light. As electrons excite the phosphors, oxygen atoms dissipate. These rare gases actually have a life and fade over time. Manufacturers of plasma have estimated the life of these phosphors to be about 60,000 hours. The life of the plasma display itself is usually determined by half-life of the phosphors. So at 30,000 hours the phosphors will be at their half-life, and the viewer will be seeing an image that has half the brightness capability that it did when originally purchased. This should be a good point at which to consider its life over. The gases in plasma TVs cannot be replaced. There is no phenomenon of "pumping" new gases into a plasma display. Advantage: DLP -- Skipper |
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Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 14:22:36 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: "Reggie Smithers" wrote in message . .. They estimate a perfect LCD or plasma will last about 10 yrs. -- Reggie ****** Samsung claims that the plasma display of their units will last 60,000 hours or approximately 26 years using it an average of 6 hours a day. It makes sense to me given that the plasma pixel is simply a contained mini cell of gas that becomes ionized when used. In the process of ionization light is emitted. Once the ionizing potential is removed, the gas reverts back to it's original state. There is no consumable component as long as the gas does not leak out. Conventional cathode ray tubes emit electrons from a filament that eventually will break or simply thin to a point of becoming unusable. Other components (power supplies, etc.) will crap out long before then. i was told by a highly reputable appliance/tv dealer that the plasma noticeably weakens about the three year mark and some manufacturers are replacing tvs because of it. From my quick look see on the Internet, it appears that was a problem the first few years, hopefully they are getting better. -- Reggie ****** |
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"Skipper" wrote in message ... Advantage: DLP -- Skipper I think viewing habits must be considered as part of the compromise you speak of. For me, I doubt I watch the HD plasma set more than 6 hours a week, not a day. I am watching more of the Discovery channel and an occasional sports event (or non-event in the case of the Patriots). I spend more time watching and listening to music videos, and that's only once or twice a week. BTW - for the new guitar hobbyists in the NG - highly recommend the Eric Clapton "Crossroads" guitar festival DVD (Reprise records). Two disk set, featuring some of the finest contemporary guitarists including Clapton to B.B. King, Carlos Santana and a sober Joe Walsh among many others. For those with good sound systems, the audio options include 2 channel, Dolby Digital 5.1 and DTS (recommended). Eisboch |
OT You were right Harry!
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Skipper" wrote in message ... Advantage: DLP -- Skipper I think viewing habits must be considered as part of the compromise you speak of. For me, I doubt I watch the HD plasma set more than 6 hours a week, not a day. I am watching more of the Discovery channel and an occasional sports event (or non-event in the case of the Patriots). I spend more time watching and listening to music videos, and that's only once or twice a week. BTW - for the new guitar hobbyists in the NG - highly recommend the Eric Clapton "Crossroads" guitar festival DVD (Reprise records). Two disk set, featuring some of the finest contemporary guitarists including Clapton to B.B. King, Carlos Santana and a sober Joe Walsh among many others. For those with good sound systems, the audio options include 2 channel, Dolby Digital 5.1 and DTS (recommended). Eisboch For me.........some local and cable news, some PBS programs like NOVA, some shows on A&E, the History Channel or Discovery as well as some old Seinfeld or Everybody Loves Raymond episodes. Perhaps 12 hours/week. My wife OTOH is hooked on TV and always has been. And we both watch DVD's, perhaps one or two per week. We have 10 TV's in our house, all connected to cable: Basement: My wife's office, the TV/sitting room, the game room area (soon to add another at the treadmill). Main Floor: Family room, kitchen, my office. 2nd Floor: All 4 bedrooms I think this discussion/thread has talked me out of considering a plasma HD set. While there is no way we are going to buy new HD for all these rooms. I may consider replacing the 32" RCA TV we have in the family room (now 14 years old but still working fine) in the near future, most likely with a 36" HD CRT set. ;-) |
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Skipper wrote:
Eisboch wrote: There is also quite a bulb cost delta between the technologies. Have been told the current best value is Samsung's 50" DLP. Maybe, but you need to go and view a DLP set. I checked them out and the view angle is terrible. A plasma is much, much better at 170 degrees. Now this IS getting interesting. Kinda reminds me of that old boat discussion over 'compomise'...and we do know that some contend they have "no compromise" boats. However, at least for most of us, compromise is a fact of life. LIFESPAN DLP manufacturers list the backlight bulb hours at around 80,000 hours. What's more, this bulb can be replaced for as little as $200 in some cases. Certain DLP TV displays require a technician to change their bulbs, and this will cost you more than the lamp itself. In other cases, though, the DLP is configured in a way that makes it easy for a layperson to replace burned-out bulbs. It all depends on the make and model of your DLP. And, since DLP is a mirror and light technology, once the bulb is replaced, the DLP should perform as well as it did when it was brand new. Plasma, by contrast, uses a small electric pulse for each pixel to excite the rare natural gases argon, neon, and xenon (a k a "phosphors") to produce the color information and light. As electrons excite the phosphors, oxygen atoms dissipate. These rare gases actually have a life and fade over time. Manufacturers of plasma have estimated the life of these phosphors to be about 60,000 hours. The life of the plasma display itself is usually determined by half-life of the phosphors. So at 30,000 hours the phosphors will be at their half-life, and the viewer will be seeing an image that has half the brightness capability that it did when originally purchased. This should be a good point at which to consider its life over. The gases in plasma TVs cannot be replaced. There is no phenomenon of "pumping" new gases into a plasma display. Advantage: DLP -- Skipper I wondered about those little mirrors. Don't they turn to either reflect or avoid light from the bulb. Would that be a potential problem? Who's gonna clean those thousand little mirrors? |
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JimH wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Skipper" wrote in message ... Advantage: DLP -- Skipper I think viewing habits must be considered as part of the compromise you speak of. For me, I doubt I watch the HD plasma set more than 6 hours a week, not a day. I am watching more of the Discovery channel and an occasional sports event (or non-event in the case of the Patriots). I spend more time watching and listening to music videos, and that's only once or twice a week. BTW - for the new guitar hobbyists in the NG - highly recommend the Eric Clapton "Crossroads" guitar festival DVD (Reprise records). Two disk set, featuring some of the finest contemporary guitarists including Clapton to B.B. King, Carlos Santana and a sober Joe Walsh among many others. For those with good sound systems, the audio options include 2 channel, Dolby Digital 5.1 and DTS (recommended). Eisboch For me.........some local and cable news, some PBS programs like NOVA, some shows on A&E, the History Channel or Discovery as well as some old Seinfeld or Everybody Loves Raymond episodes. Perhaps 12 hours/week. My wife OTOH is hooked on TV and always has been. And we both watch DVD's, perhaps one or two per week. We have 10 TV's in our house, all connected to cable: Basement: My wife's office, the TV/sitting room, the game room area (soon to add another at the treadmill). Main Floor: Family room, kitchen, my office. 2nd Floor: All 4 bedrooms I think this discussion/thread has talked me out of considering a plasma HD set. While there is no way we are going to buy new HD for all these rooms. I may consider replacing the 32" RCA TV we have in the family room (now 14 years old but still working fine) in the near future, most likely with a 36" HD CRT set. ;-) Wouldn't wait too long on that 36" CRT set. According to Consumers, most manufacturers are dropping the big tube models. You may be restricted to 32" max in the near future. |
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"Don White" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Skipper" wrote in message ... Advantage: DLP -- Skipper I think viewing habits must be considered as part of the compromise you speak of. For me, I doubt I watch the HD plasma set more than 6 hours a week, not a day. I am watching more of the Discovery channel and an occasional sports event (or non-event in the case of the Patriots). I spend more time watching and listening to music videos, and that's only once or twice a week. BTW - for the new guitar hobbyists in the NG - highly recommend the Eric Clapton "Crossroads" guitar festival DVD (Reprise records). Two disk set, featuring some of the finest contemporary guitarists including Clapton to B.B. King, Carlos Santana and a sober Joe Walsh among many others. For those with good sound systems, the audio options include 2 channel, Dolby Digital 5.1 and DTS (recommended). Eisboch For me.........some local and cable news, some PBS programs like NOVA, some shows on A&E, the History Channel or Discovery as well as some old Seinfeld or Everybody Loves Raymond episodes. Perhaps 12 hours/week. My wife OTOH is hooked on TV and always has been. And we both watch DVD's, perhaps one or two per week. We have 10 TV's in our house, all connected to cable: Basement: My wife's office, the TV/sitting room, the game room area (soon to add another at the treadmill). Main Floor: Family room, kitchen, my office. 2nd Floor: All 4 bedrooms I think this discussion/thread has talked me out of considering a plasma HD set. While there is no way we are going to buy new HD for all these rooms. I may consider replacing the 32" RCA TV we have in the family room (now 14 years old but still working fine) in the near future, most likely with a 36" HD CRT set. ;-) Wouldn't wait too long on that 36" CRT set. According to Consumers, most manufacturers are dropping the big tube models. You may be restricted to 32" max in the near future. OK. Thanks! |
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Eisboch wrote:
"Skipper" wrote... Advantage: DLP I think viewing habits must be considered as part of the compromise you speak of. For me, I doubt I watch the HD plasma set more than 6 hours a week, not a day. Believe you have indeed hit the nail on the head. And I'd add that one should be knowing of tradoffs...and that DLP DOES represent the best value for heavy users or those on budgets today. -- Skipper |
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Don White wrote:
I wondered about those little mirrors. Don't they turn to either reflect or avoid light from the bulb. Would that be a potential problem? Who's gonna clean those thousand little mirrors? Same gremlin who turns those byte bits in your computer on and off. -- Skipper |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Skipper" wrote in message ... Advantage: DLP -- Skipper I think viewing habits must be considered as part of the compromise you speak of. For me, I doubt I watch the HD plasma set more than 6 hours a week, not a day. I am watching more of the Discovery channel and an occasional sports event (or non-event in the case of the Patriots). I spend more time watching and listening to music videos, and that's only once or twice a week. BTW - for the new guitar hobbyists in the NG - highly recommend the Eric Clapton "Crossroads" guitar festival DVD (Reprise records). Two disk set, featuring some of the finest contemporary guitarists including Clapton to B.B. King, Carlos Santana and a sober Joe Walsh among many others. For those with good sound systems, the audio options include 2 channel, Dolby Digital 5.1 and DTS (recommended). Eisboch For me.........some local and cable news, some PBS programs like NOVA, some shows on A&E, the History Channel or Discovery as well as some old Seinfeld or Everybody Loves Raymond episodes. Perhaps 12 hours/week. My wife OTOH is hooked on TV and always has been. And we both watch DVD's, perhaps one or two per week. We have 10 TV's in our house, all connected to cable: Basement: My wife's office, the TV/sitting room, the game room area (soon to add another at the treadmill). Main Floor: Family room, kitchen, my office. 2nd Floor: All 4 bedrooms I think this discussion/thread has talked me out of considering a plasma HD set. While there is no way we are going to buy new HD for all these rooms. I may consider replacing the 32" RCA TV we have in the family room (now 14 years old but still working fine) in the near future, most likely with a 36" HD CRT set. ;-) Wouldn't wait too long on that 36" CRT set. According to Consumers, most manufacturers are dropping the big tube models. You may be restricted to 32" max in the near future. OK. Thanks! I bought my SONY HD at Circuit City. It wasn't on sale. At the point of sale, I asked the salesman "is that the best you can do on price?" He knocked $250 off the price. It doesn't hurt to ask. Indeed. But...........I do not intend to purchase a HD set until I have to. I agree that the digital HD picture is spectacular but I don't want to spend the bucks right now to upgrade both my TV and cable service....it is not that important to me and my wife is quite content. |
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" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message . .. But...........I do not intend to purchase a HD set until I have to. I agree that the digital HD picture is spectacular but I don't want to spend the bucks right now to upgrade both my TV and cable service....it is not that important to me and my wife is quite content. So was Mrs.E and me until my big-mouthed son turned us onto the HD thing. Can't go back now. Eisboch |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message Joe's been dry for some time now. I think he dried out somewhere between the "Hell Freezes Over" and the "Farewell Live From Melbourne Tour" albums. Eisboch |
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But...........I do not intend to purchase a HD set until I have to. I agree that the digital HD picture is spectacular but I don't want to spend the bucks right now to upgrade both my TV and cable service. The delta from Cox to upgrade from digital to HD is 4 bucks a month...converter and service. -- Skipper |
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"Eisboch" wrote in message ... " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message . .. But...........I do not intend to purchase a HD set until I have to. I agree that the digital HD picture is spectacular but I don't want to spend the bucks right now to upgrade both my TV and cable service....it is not that important to me and my wife is quite content. So was Mrs.E and me until my big-mouthed son turned us onto the HD thing. Can't go back now. Eisboch Every time I walk into retail stores like Best Buy or Circuit City that have the HD TV's in view as you walk into the store I am blown away. But...........I still cannot justify the cost. Perhaps in another few years. ;-) |
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JimH wrote:
Every time I walk into retail stores like Best Buy or Circuit City that have the HD TV's in view as you walk into the store I am blown away. But...........I still cannot justify the cost. You could be blown away for 4 bucks a month if you have digital now. -- Skipper |
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On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 01:10:38 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote: On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 19:38:54 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message m... But...........I do not intend to purchase a HD set until I have to. I agree that the digital HD picture is spectacular but I don't want to spend the bucks right now to upgrade both my TV and cable service....it is not that important to me and my wife is quite content. So was Mrs.E and me until my big-mouthed son turned us onto the HD thing. Can't go back now. i cant tell the difference. Take the pillow away from the front of your face. -- John H ******Have a spectacular day!****** |
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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... i cant tell the difference. I can. My wallet is a hell of a lot lighter. Eisboch |
OT You were right Harry!
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 19:38:54 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message m... But...........I do not intend to purchase a HD set until I have to. I agree that the digital HD picture is spectacular but I don't want to spend the bucks right now to upgrade both my TV and cable service....it is not that important to me and my wife is quite content. So was Mrs.E and me until my big-mouthed son turned us onto the HD thing. Can't go back now. i cant tell the difference. If so............you need to see your optometrist. |
OT You were right Harry!
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 20:23:55 -0500, " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message . .. On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 19:38:54 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message news:bsOdnTjZ6dhA4kzenZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@comcast. com... But...........I do not intend to purchase a HD set until I have to. I agree that the digital HD picture is spectacular but I don't want to spend the bucks right now to upgrade both my TV and cable service....it is not that important to me and my wife is quite content. So was Mrs.E and me until my big-mouthed son turned us onto the HD thing. Can't go back now. i cant tell the difference. If so............you need to see your optometrist. i can introduce you to at least ten to twelve people who can't tell the difference. i think its all bs myself. You must get a terrific picture on your analogue TV and I am glad for you for that fact. However, we get a good picture also but I can see a huge difference between the picture on my analogue CRT 32" TV and each and every HD digital set I see at Best Buy, Circuit City, Costco and Wal-Mart. Maybe I need to see your optometrist. ;-) |
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Skipper wrote:
JimH wrote: Every time I walk into retail stores like Best Buy or Circuit City that have the HD TV's in view as you walk into the store I am blown away. But...........I still cannot justify the cost. You could be blown away for 4 bucks a month if you have digital now. -- Skipper Up here it would be more like $20.00 extra a month. $5.00 for the service and $15.00 to rent the cable box that records programs. |
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JimH wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Skipper" wrote in message ... Advantage: DLP -- Skipper I think viewing habits must be considered as part of the compromise you speak of. For me, I doubt I watch the HD plasma set more than 6 hours a week, not a day. I am watching more of the Discovery channel and an occasional sports event (or non-event in the case of the Patriots). I spend more time watching and listening to music videos, and that's only once or twice a week. BTW - for the new guitar hobbyists in the NG - highly recommend the Eric Clapton "Crossroads" guitar festival DVD (Reprise records). Two disk set, featuring some of the finest contemporary guitarists including Clapton to B.B. King, Carlos Santana and a sober Joe Walsh among many others. For those with good sound systems, the audio options include 2 channel, Dolby Digital 5.1 and DTS (recommended). Eisboch For me.........some local and cable news, some PBS programs like NOVA, some shows on A&E, the History Channel or Discovery as well as some old Seinfeld or Everybody Loves Raymond episodes. Perhaps 12 hours/week. My wife OTOH is hooked on TV and always has been. And we both watch DVD's, perhaps one or two per week. We have 10 TV's in our house, all connected to cable: Basement: My wife's office, the TV/sitting room, the game room area (soon to add another at the treadmill). Main Floor: Family room, kitchen, my office. 2nd Floor: All 4 bedrooms I think this discussion/thread has talked me out of considering a plasma HD set. While there is no way we are going to buy new HD for all these rooms. I may consider replacing the 32" RCA TV we have in the family room (now 14 years old but still working fine) in the near future, most likely with a 36" HD CRT set. ;-) Wouldn't wait too long on that 36" CRT set. According to Consumers, most manufacturers are dropping the big tube models. You may be restricted to 32" max in the near future. OK. Thanks! I bought my SONY HD at Circuit City. It wasn't on sale. At the point of sale, I asked the salesman "is that the best you can do on price?" He knocked $250 off the price. It doesn't hurt to ask. Indeed. But...........I do not intend to purchase a HD set until I have to. I agree that the digital HD picture is spectacular but I don't want to spend the bucks right now to upgrade both my TV and cable service....it is not that important to me and my wife is quite content. Tried Sears tonight...they don't have the CRT HD model I want. Went back to the Sony store and kept the salesman dancing. They had my model on display, but I balked at the extra $400.00 for the matching stand. Then he tried to convince me we'd be just as happy with the 26" Bravia LCD model. The wife balked....no way she wanted to go smaller. Best deal he could give me on the 32" Bravia LCD model was $2600.00 which included the extended warranty. I got cold feet then...and we ended back at the CRT model for $ 1200.00. Figure we can get a stand somewhere cheaper and better (for housing cable box, DVD player, Home Theater receiver). He's got my number & will call when units arrive. In the meantime I have to suffer with a 20" set. |
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Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 19:38:54 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message . .. But...........I do not intend to purchase a HD set until I have to. I agree that the digital HD picture is spectacular but I don't want to spend the bucks right now to upgrade both my TV and cable service....it is not that important to me and my wife is quite content. So was Mrs.E and me until my big-mouthed son turned us onto the HD thing. Can't go back now. i cant tell the difference. That is because you are old and blind, with a broken wing. -- Reggie ****** |
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On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 01:56:53 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote: On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 20:23:55 -0500, " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message . .. On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 19:38:54 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message news:bsOdnTjZ6dhA4kzenZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@comcast. com... But...........I do not intend to purchase a HD set until I have to. I agree that the digital HD picture is spectacular but I don't want to spend the bucks right now to upgrade both my TV and cable service....it is not that important to me and my wife is quite content. So was Mrs.E and me until my big-mouthed son turned us onto the HD thing. Can't go back now. i cant tell the difference. If so............you need to see your optometrist. i can introduce you to at least ten to twelve people who can't tell the difference. i think its all bs myself. If I have friends over and switch the channel from the regular NBC to High Def NBC, they are invariable amazed at the difference, especially during a sporting event. If you can't tell the difference in a comparison like this, then you *do* have an eyeball problem. Does everything appear a little fuzzy and soft around the edges? -- John H ******Have a spectacular day!****** |
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On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 04:26:10 GMT, Don White wrote:
JimH wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Skipper" wrote in message ... Advantage: DLP -- Skipper I think viewing habits must be considered as part of the compromise you speak of. For me, I doubt I watch the HD plasma set more than 6 hours a week, not a day. I am watching more of the Discovery channel and an occasional sports event (or non-event in the case of the Patriots). I spend more time watching and listening to music videos, and that's only once or twice a week. BTW - for the new guitar hobbyists in the NG - highly recommend the Eric Clapton "Crossroads" guitar festival DVD (Reprise records). Two disk set, featuring some of the finest contemporary guitarists including Clapton to B.B. King, Carlos Santana and a sober Joe Walsh among many others. For those with good sound systems, the audio options include 2 channel, Dolby Digital 5.1 and DTS (recommended). Eisboch For me.........some local and cable news, some PBS programs like NOVA, some shows on A&E, the History Channel or Discovery as well as some old Seinfeld or Everybody Loves Raymond episodes. Perhaps 12 hours/week. My wife OTOH is hooked on TV and always has been. And we both watch DVD's, perhaps one or two per week. We have 10 TV's in our house, all connected to cable: Basement: My wife's office, the TV/sitting room, the game room area (soon to add another at the treadmill). Main Floor: Family room, kitchen, my office. 2nd Floor: All 4 bedrooms I think this discussion/thread has talked me out of considering a plasma HD set. While there is no way we are going to buy new HD for all these rooms. I may consider replacing the 32" RCA TV we have in the family room (now 14 years old but still working fine) in the near future, most likely with a 36" HD CRT set. ;-) Wouldn't wait too long on that 36" CRT set. According to Consumers, most manufacturers are dropping the big tube models. You may be restricted to 32" max in the near future. OK. Thanks! I bought my SONY HD at Circuit City. It wasn't on sale. At the point of sale, I asked the salesman "is that the best you can do on price?" He knocked $250 off the price. It doesn't hurt to ask. Indeed. But...........I do not intend to purchase a HD set until I have to. I agree that the digital HD picture is spectacular but I don't want to spend the bucks right now to upgrade both my TV and cable service....it is not that important to me and my wife is quite content. Tried Sears tonight...they don't have the CRT HD model I want. Went back to the Sony store and kept the salesman dancing. They had my model on display, but I balked at the extra $400.00 for the matching stand. Then he tried to convince me we'd be just as happy with the 26" Bravia LCD model. The wife balked....no way she wanted to go smaller. Best deal he could give me on the 32" Bravia LCD model was $2600.00 which included the extended warranty. I got cold feet then...and we ended back at the CRT model for $ 1200.00. Figure we can get a stand somewhere cheaper and better (for housing cable box, DVD player, Home Theater receiver). He's got my number & will call when units arrive. In the meantime I have to suffer with a 20" set. So which model did you get? I got the stand with mine, and I'm glad I did. It has shelves for the accessories and 'fits' the footprint of the TV so it will slide back into a corner pretty well. Maybe he'd deal on the stand a little. -- John H ******Have a spectacular day!****** |
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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... i am convinced that the only difference between hd and regular analoug tv with a digital cable is brightness - every hd screen ive seen is much brighter which lends itself to crisper colors, but in dark scenes in a movie or tv show, they are exactly the same - the definition doesnt matter. i watched the lord of the rings trilogy on the hd tv in the living room and when my arm was operated on, watched it in the wreck room - my office - there really wasnt much difference. Tom, I really am surprised that you don't notice that much of a difference - so much so that I wonder if you, like many others, *think* or were led to believe they were watching HD, but in fact where not. My brother recently got sucked into the HD thing - (pre Patriots demise). He bought a true HD Phillips 42" plasma set, got "the box" and watched it for a week thinking it was HD. He called me one night and told me the plasma tv picture was great, but he really couldn't see the big advantage of the HD programming. I told him I was surprised and had expected a call from him with a "Holy ****!" Turns out he had the system hooked up wrong and was watching everything in digital, but at 480i. We did some basic troubleshooting over the phone (his house cable system was a mess, RG-59u instead of RG-6, multiple splitters without benefit of a distribution amp, etc., but his biggest problem was that he plugged the cable into a RF modulator box and then to the antenna input of the plasma set. He basically was converting everything back to 480i. We got the wiring straightened out, switched on the NFL game of the week in HD and his jaw dropped. First thing out of his mouth was "Holy ****!" I've done a bit of tweaking with my 50" Samsung, mostly with the color drives. I don't like overly bright or over-driven color. I've got it tweaked in nice now in the custom setup mode where the colors look very natural and the contrast between dark and bright is optimized. Also, I have found that some of the older movies on HBO don't have the clear resolution of some of the more modern films or live broadcasts using HD cameras. The Discovery Channel offers some of the best HD content I've seen. So, I am wondering, are you really seeing HD? To most, the difference between regular and HD is not subtle - it's breathtaking. Don't ask me about HD CRT displays. I don't want to start a debate, but, (can't help it) as good as CRTs are in terms of color purity and contrast, few of the "HD" CRT monitors being sold now are capable of displaying true HD. They don't have the required vertical resolution, and you will soon be seeing some action being taken as to how they are being advertised. CRTs will become obsolete, for this application, in the next 3-4 years. Eisboch |
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"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... i am convinced that the only difference between hd and regular analoug tv with a digital cable is brightness - every hd screen ive seen is much brighter which lends itself to crisper colors, but in dark scenes in a movie or tv show, they are exactly the same - the definition doesnt matter. i watched the lord of the rings trilogy on the hd tv in the living room and when my arm was operated on, watched it in the wreck room - my office - there really wasnt much difference. WAIT a minute. It just hit me. You said you watched the Lord of the Rings Trilogy on a HD set and (I assume) a regular set in your wreck room and couldn't detect much of a difference. Your source material was a DVD , correct? No wonder! DVD is not HD. It's in a 480i or 480p format. You were not watching HD. Eisboch |
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