On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 07:41:31 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:


LOL! And how much time do you spend on the water Krause?

Several hundred hours a season.

Liar. You don't spend even 100 hours away from this news group.

We haven't forgot all your "sea going" stories, only to have been
proven impossible after being caught.

That is, of course, why you started marking your posts "x-archive
post-no".

Ill bet I have more ocean hours that you do.

Prove it.

How much you wanna bet, and how shall we handle the transaction?

And at least Skipper has a boat.

Really? What kind of boat does he have? He used to claim he had a
Bayliner, but then he claimed he sold it. So what boat does he have now?

I believe, based on posting from both of you, that one...Skipper has a
boat. I don't know what kind, but I do know he has displayed a working
knowledge of sea experience, and boating.

Two...you have demonstrated that you continually lie about "your"
boats, and know very little about boating in general. Many of your
claims have been proven to be flat out lies. You have been caught
plagiarizing, both, boating related written text, and pictures. And
many times your futile efforts to show that you are boating literate,
only backfire, and show you know nothing. Remember setting your time
with your GPS using the "hundredths of a MPH" statement?

It is for these reasons I know you have no boat.

Why don't you go back to tossing spitballs at Maryjane, little boy?

The 4th grade called...they want their grade school insults back.
__

"It's just about going fast...that's all..."

http://home.columbus.rr.com/ckg/

On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 07:52:59 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Netsock wrote:
And where did you find that on the Internet?
__


Personal knowledge, obtained from a visit to his yard some years ago,
and telephone conversations with two of his suppliers. As of four or
five years ago, the last time I checked, Zimmerman was known as a
"finisher." That's not a pejorative. He was buying his hulls out of
Maine. He is considered one of the top, if not *the* top, finishers on
the east coast.

Also, the editor and publisher of one of the better boating magazines
done locally owns a Zimmerman 36 and has written extensively about the
builder and his boat. My recollection is that he alluded to the same
details I know regarding the origin of the hulls.

Nicely done...some of your better work. With more practice, you may be
able to convince the newbies, that you do know something about boats.

Ahh, you keep referring to the claim you have seen my house or a photo
of it. Let's see your proof.

Careful Krause...you may get what you ask for someday.
__

"It's just about going fast...that's all..."

http://home.columbus.rr.com/ckg/

Netsock wrote:

Liar. You don't spend even 100 hours away from this news group.

We haven't forgot all your "sea going" stories, only to have been
proven impossible after being caught.

That is, of course, why you started marking your posts "x-archive
post-no".

Just let it go. He's just a troll and not worth it. Let's work to
restore the NG.

--
Skipper

Gene Kearns wrote:

So, have a great day Skipper. I'll think about you as the waves lap
against my 20 degree deadrise transom on my "dilapidated, age stained
and grungy" boat.... and wonder if deadrise on a perpetually dry boat
matters at all!

Your "deadrise" is measured on the bottom of your hull...not the
transom...

markvictor wrote:
Gene Kearns wrote:

So, have a great day Skipper. I'll think about you as the waves lap
against my 20 degree deadrise transom on my "dilapidated, age stained
and grungy" boat.... and wonder if deadrise on a perpetually dry boat
matters at all!


Your "deadrise" is measured on the bottom of your hull...not the
transom...


Deadrise is the angle of the hull at the transom. You can't measure it
at the bottom of the hull.

Dan

Dan Krueger wrote:
markvictor wrote:
Gene Kearns wrote:

So, have a great day Skipper. I'll think about you as the waves lap
against my 20 degree deadrise transom on my "dilapidated, age stained
and grungy" boat.... and wonder if deadrise on a perpetually dry boat
matters at all!


Your "deadrise" is measured on the bottom of your hull...not the
transom...


Deadrise is the angle of the hull at the transom. You can't measure it
at the bottom of the hull.

Dan

Sorry Dan, I can't agree with you. Having installed 100+ transducers
on just about every type of hull imaginable, I can tell you without
reserve that you absolutely can measure deadrise angle on the bottom of
the boat, the DIY ers use a level and a framing protractor, or a
level,two straightedges, a calculator,and a little guidance by
Pythagorus...I , on the other hand, use an electronic inclinometer, it
takes all of 2 or 3 seconds...
This is to ensure that the sounder or FF is looking at the bottom under
the boat it is installed on, not 50 ft. to 1 side or the other. When
the deadrise spec. is given for a boat ,it is essentially telling you
how deeply a hull is "Vee'd" You can measure deadrise at the transom,
but this will not always give you the construction specification
deadrise value, rather it will give you the deadrise of the aftermost
portion of your bottom, but regardless, deadrise is your bottom's
angle, not your transom's angle. But you don't need to take my word
for it, here's what the ABYC standard says:

"Deadrise Angle" is the angle, taken at midship, at which the hull
slopes up from the horizontal (e.g., A flat bottom vessel has a
deadrise angle of zero degrees; a high deadrise angle value indicates
a deep V-hull);
Regards,
markv

On 20 Jan 2006 20:23:12 -0800, "markvictor"
wrote:

Dan Krueger wrote:
markvictor wrote:
Gene Kearns wrote:

So, have a great day Skipper. I'll think about you as the waves lap
against my 20 degree deadrise transom on my "dilapidated, age stained
and grungy" boat.... and wonder if deadrise on a perpetually dry boat
matters at all!


Your "deadrise" is measured on the bottom of your hull...not the
transom...


Deadrise is the angle of the hull at the transom. You can't measure it
at the bottom of the hull.

Dan

Sorry Dan, I can't agree with you. Having installed 100+ transducers
on just about every type of hull imaginable, I can tell you without
reserve that you absolutely can measure deadrise angle on the bottom of
the boat, the DIY ers use a level and a framing protractor, or a
level,two straightedges, a calculator,and a little guidance by
Pythagorus...I , on the other hand, use an electronic inclinometer, it
takes all of 2 or 3 seconds...
This is to ensure that the sounder or FF is looking at the bottom under
the boat it is installed on, not 50 ft. to 1 side or the other. When
the deadrise spec. is given for a boat ,it is essentially telling you
how deeply a hull is "Vee'd" You can measure deadrise at the transom,
but this will not always give you the construction specification
deadrise value, rather it will give you the deadrise of the aftermost
portion of your bottom, but regardless, deadrise is your bottom's
angle, not your transom's angle. But you don't need to take my word
for it, here's what the ABYC standard says:

"Deadrise Angle" is the angle, taken at midship, at which the hull
slopes up from the horizontal (e.g., A flat bottom vessel has a
deadrise angle of zero degrees; a high deadrise angle value indicates
a deep V-hull);
Regards,
markv

"Midship"! That blows me out of the water. I'd always thought it was
measured at the transom too. Thanks for the enlightenment.
--
John H

******Have a spectacular day!******

"The first part of the answer in determining how deadrise affects
performance is another question: deadrise measured where? If the angle
between a horizontal plane tangent to the keel and the chine is
measured just aft of the bow, most modern boats will measure around
45° or more. If measured just forward of the stern, the deadrise may
be as little as 5°. The days when deep-V hulls carried the same high
angle of deadrise nearly constantly from bow to stern is long gone.
Why? Because they didn't perform very well."

Hey John, this is a pretty fair explanation of the reason for using a
measurement somewhat forward of the transom for a published spec...It's
not so much of an average angle, as it is the angle at the widest
"wetted" area of the hull at speed..the low deadrise at stern provides
stability, especially with engines mounted well aft.. a high angle
carried all the way aft tends to make a boat "porpoise" at speed...too
low an angle causes instability when turning at speet, too rapid a
transition and you get a boat that meanders at low speed, and can
develop low pressure areas at speed that can negate lift or planing
ability..

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"The first part of the answer in determining how deadrise affects
performance is another question: deadrise measured where? If the angle
between a horizontal plane tangent to the keel and the chine is
measured just aft of the bow, most modern boats will measure around
45° or more. If measured just forward of the stern, the deadrise may
be as little as 5°. The days when deep-V hulls carried the same high
angle of deadrise nearly constantly from bow to stern is long gone.
Why? Because they didn't perform very well."

Hey John, this is a pretty fair explanation of the reason for using a
measurement somewhat forward of the transom for a published spec...It's
not so much of an average angle, as it is the angle at the widest
"wetted" area of the hull at speed..the low deadrise at the stern
provides
stability, especially with engines mounted well aft.. a high angle
carried all the way aft tends to make a boat "porpoise" at speed...too
low an angle causes instability when turning at speed, too rapid a
transition and you get a boat that meanders at low speed, and can
develop low pressure areas at speed that can negate lift or planing
ability..

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"The first part of the answer in determining how deadrise affects
performance is another question: deadrise measured where? If the angle
between a horizontal plane tangent to the keel and the chine is
measured just aft of the bow, most modern boats will measure around
45° or more. If measured just forward of the stern, the deadrise may
be as little as 5°. The days when deep-V hulls carried the same high
angle of deadrise nearly constantly from bow to stern is long gone.
Why? Because they didn't perform very well."

Hey John, this is a pretty fair explanation of the reason for using a
measurement somewhat forward of the transom for a published spec...It's
not so much of an average angle, as it is the angle at the widest
"wetted" area of the hull at speed..the low deadrise at the stern
provides
stability, especially with engines mounted well aft.. a high angle
carried all the way aft tends to make a boat "porpoise" at speed...too
low an angle causes instability when turning at speed, too rapid a
transition and you get a boat that meanders at low speed, and can
develop low pressure areas at speed that can negate lift or planing
ability.