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Here's what mine looks like:
http://www.blackcreekguitars.com/04-...-Strat-001.jpg


Since we're showing off guitars, here's one of mine. Not a Fender though.
It's a Les Paul Gibson Standard. Nothing special, but a sweet sounding
guitar.

http://tinyurl.com/94whl

Eisboch

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

The "secret" was that Stradivari was an innovative, master craftsman,
someone absolutely unique and a person whose skills cannot be duplicated.
I guarantee you that if he were alive today, he'd still be making the best
violins, cellos, guitars, violas, and harps. Do you think Leonardo would
be anything but a master's master were he alive today?

Methinks our society places too much effort on analyzing genius rather
than enjoying it. Perhaps it is because we no longer live in an era of
geniuses and giants.


Or, to a degree, the perpetuation of myths. I doubt many could distinguish
a modern, well made violin from a Stradivarius in a blind audition. Some
might, but very few, I suspect.

Eisboch

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wrote:
Good luck with that.

I'm now a little more than a year into my bagpipe lessons. You want an
oddball instrument, the bagpipe qualifies. The first thing one needs to
do is learn to "unread" music, as the time values are only approximate.

I can play any sort of keyboard in my sleep. (in fact, many people have
observed my palying might improve if I woke up)......but darnarewskis
if that 9-note bagpipe chanter isn't every bit as difficult to master
as an 88-note keyboard. :-)



Bagpipes??
I'll have to leave that to my cousins. I'd be kicked out of the
neighbourhood if I started wailing on our shoulder to shoulder 40' x
100' city lots.
see cousin's book... http://www.cranfordpub.com/books/mackenzie.htm

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Harry Krause wrote:
Reggie Smithers wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:
Reggie Smithers wrote:
Bryan wrote:
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 00:54:35 GMT, "Bryan"
wrote:

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 00:17:16 GMT, "Bryan"
wrote:

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On 12 Jan 2006 13:46:28 -0800, wrote:

An American Deluxe with SCN pickups, Tobacco Sunburst color,
looks alot
like Stevie Ray Vaughn's, only not as beat up
you have a '56 strat?

no offense, but i don't believe it. there can't be more than
ten of
those left in the world.

i have a '65 strat in golden sunburst with humbuckers which is
pretty
rare.
Unless I'm missing some post's which occurs on occasion, he
said he had "a
real one," not an original or or 56. A real one to me implies
made in
America vs the asian versions. The SCN pickups imply a 2004 or
later, but
I
don't know if SCN's were available before 2004.
a real one would imply a pre-cbs strat - those are real ones.
Well, Shortwave, some of us would just be happy to own a strat
made in
America. To us, that would be a real one. Still, I understand
your version
of real versus my version of real. When I go into the store to
see if I can
buy my daughter a strat, I have three choices. A modern strat
made in
America or in an Asian country or a vintage $trat. I can afford
the one
made in an Asian country. I didn't buy her one, because I
couldn't justify
the price of the one I would want (and I was pretty sure she
would last as
long with guitar lessons as she did with piano lessons). Still,
I was
sorely tempted to find a way to buy her one that I would want!
if you are talking strats, real strats are the pre-cbs strats. the
post cbs strats were mostly junk. however, the recent reproduction
strats and even a few of the asian ones are fairly decent guitars -
much better than the cbs versions.

hey, get what you can afford - the object is to have fun. i
bought my
strat in '65 when i was playing in what is now called a garage band
that made it big on a local basis. over the years, ive collected a
few - a blue mosrite (the guitar the ventures made famous), a clear
acrylic danelectro bass, a '65 gretsch country gentleman autographed
by chet akins, - which is a whole story in an of itself - and an
original fender telecaster. i also have a custom made ovation
ballader which i bought in '85 during my acoustic phase along with a
gibson banjo and a dulcimer i built.
Glad you stayed with the art. I miss my old Takamine; was it an F
360? I can't remember, but that number just popped into my head.
I played bass. I also miss my Rickenbacker 4003 basses (Natural,
Black, and White).

What makes a strat made today not a real strat? Why are pre-cbs
strats the only real strats and today's are just reproductions?

It has to do with the tone of the early strats. sort of like the
tone of a STRATOVARIUS Violin has a unique tone ; ). There are many
people who are just as picky about their pre-cbs strats guitars and
the old Fender Amps.

Ebay has a 1955 Fender Strat and a Vintage 1956 Fender Amp for sale.
After 67 bids the current bid price is over $50,000 and the reserve
price has not been meet.

Fender has tried to duplicate the tone of the early guitars and amps
with their Retro Series, but the true Connoisseur still prefer the
original.


I'm telling you, there's just nothing quite like rec.boats.

There's no such thing as a STRATOVARIUS Violin, unless it exists as a
joke.

There are the many wonderful stringed instruments made by Antonio
Stradivari, violins and cellos mostly, and these commonly are called
Stradivarius instruments, because the maker used Latin to label his
products, and "Latinized" his last name.

Yo-Yo Ma, the renowned cellist, plays a Strad, not a Strat. His is
the famous Davidov cello. He inherited it from the late. wonderful,
and greatly missed Jacqueline du Pre.

And now, back to your regularly scheduled servings of misinformation...
The misspelling of Stradivarius was copied from Goggle but I do
appreciate you correcting the error. I do think you might have missed
the point of the post, it was concerning Strats and original amps.


No offense, but some things have meaning for me, and I hate to see
errors burned forever into the electrons of usenet. I don't know dick
about electric guitars.
No offense taken, the misspelling of a Stad. needed to be corrected, for
anyone who knew better it stood out like a sore thumb.

--
Reggie
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Eisboch wrote:
"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
...
It has to do with the tone of the early strats. sort of like the tone of a
STRATOVARIUS Violin has a unique tone ; ). There are many people who are
just as picky about their pre-cbs strats guitars and the old Fender Amps.



I watched an interesting television show the other day (History Channel, I
think). The subject was that of trying to unlock the mystery of the superior
tonal quality of a Stradivarius violin. Many theories have been put forth
over the years, the most popular being that he used a secret lacquer. Turns
out not to be true. The "secret" was simply that he lived during a cyclic
climate era with very little rain, resulting in slow tree growth and closely
spaced tree rings in the wood.

Eisboch


Richard,
I saw the same show, but they could not figure out why other violin
makers who were using the same wood could not duplicate the Strads sound.

--
Reggie
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Don White wrote:
wrote:
Good luck with that.

I'm now a little more than a year into my bagpipe lessons. You want an
oddball instrument, the bagpipe qualifies. The first thing one needs to
do is learn to "unread" music, as the time values are only approximate.

I can play any sort of keyboard in my sleep. (in fact, many people have
observed my palying might improve if I woke up)......but darnarewskis
if that 9-note bagpipe chanter isn't every bit as difficult to master
as an 88-note keyboard. :-)



Bagpipes??
I'll have to leave that to my cousins. I'd be kicked out of the
neighbourhood if I started wailing on our shoulder to shoulder 40' x
100' city lots.
see cousin's book... http://www.cranfordpub.com/books/mackenzie.htm
In NYC, where there is a very large group of Scots and Irish blokes, you
find people practicing the bagpipes in Central Park. I don't think they
do this so others can enjoy the music. My guess is they do this so
their neighbors don't complain.

I love Amazing Grace on the bagpipes.

--
Reggie
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Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
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Here's what mine looks like:
http://www.blackcreekguitars.com/04-...-Strat-001.jpg


Since we're showing off guitars, here's one of mine. Not a Fender though.
It's a Les Paul Gibson Standard. Nothing special, but a sweet sounding
guitar.

http://tinyurl.com/94whl

Eisboch

My brother is the Gibson guitar man in our family. Sweet sounding
guitars, that's for sure. Nothing special? Original Les Paul's are
outstanding!

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Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...


Here's what mine looks like:
http://www.blackcreekguitars.com/04-...-Strat-001.jpg


Since we're showing off guitars, here's one of mine. Not a Fender though.
It's a Les Paul Gibson Standard. Nothing special, but a sweet sounding
guitar.

http://tinyurl.com/94whl

Eisboch

Is the Marshall amp an old tube amp, or solid state?

OT New hobby... strad vs strat
 

Eisboch wrote:
I watched an interesting television show the other day (History Channel, I
think). The subject was that of trying to unlock the mystery of the superior
tonal quality of a Stradivarius violin. Many theories have been put forth
over the years, the most popular being that he used a secret lacquer. Turns
out not to be true. The "secret" was simply that he lived during a cyclic
climate era with very little rain, resulting in slow tree growth and closely
spaced tree rings in the wood.


If that were true, then every instrument made during that
period would have similar tonal qualities, no?

Some years ago I read an article about an instrument maker
trying to duplicate Stradivari's tone, and he had good
results soaking the wood in various thinned resins. He used
a different material to soak the top & back of the violin,
and supposedly produced varying tone qualities... his
instruments were "approaching" Stadivari's but none
duplicated the sound. This article mentioned the wood
density due to climate & special lacquer, too.

DSK

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wrote in message
ups.com...

Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...


Here's what mine looks like:
http://www.blackcreekguitars.com/04-...-Strat-001.jpg


Since we're showing off guitars, here's one of mine. Not a Fender
though.
It's a Les Paul Gibson Standard. Nothing special, but a sweet sounding
guitar.

http://tinyurl.com/94whl

Eisboch

Is the Marshall amp an old tube amp, or solid state?


It's a "Valvestate" solid state, but supposed to have vacuum tube
coloration.
I've got a big old Mesa Boogie tube amp downstairs that really matches up
well with the Gibson. Too big and heavy to carry up to my room.

Eisboch

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
...
It has to do with the tone of the early strats. sort of like the tone of
a STRATOVARIUS Violin has a unique tone ; ). There are many people who
are just as picky about their pre-cbs strats guitars and the old Fender
Amps.



I watched an interesting television show the other day (History Channel,
I think). The subject was that of trying to unlock the mystery of the
superior tonal quality of a Stradivarius violin. Many theories have been
put forth over the years, the most popular being that he used a secret
lacquer. Turns out not to be true. The "secret" was simply that he
lived during a cyclic climate era with very little rain, resulting in
slow tree growth and closely spaced tree rings in the wood.

Eisboch


The "secret" was that Stradivari was an innovative, master craftsman,
someone absolutely unique and a person whose skills cannot be duplicated.
I guarantee you that if he were alive today, he'd still be making the best
violins, cellos, guitars, violas, and harps. Do you think Leonardo would
be anything but a master's master were he alive today?

Methinks our society places too much effort on analyzing genius rather
than enjoying it. Perhaps it is because we no longer live in an era of
geniuses and giants.

A lot was the wood. He also learned how to make the complete back vibrate
at same rate, by dimensioning the thickness. There was a local person that
made a very fine violin, in the quality and tone of a Stradivarius. The
violin was stolen a couple of years ago. Most of the secret of the violin
the experts figured, was the wood. It was made from a chunk of 1600's wood
from a ruined monastery that his buddy brought back from WW-II. The wood is
a big part of a great acoustic instrument to this day.

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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 05:02:16 GMT, "Bryan"
wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
. ..
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 00:54:35 GMT, "Bryan"
wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
m...
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 00:17:16 GMT, "Bryan"
wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
news:roods19q4ea89mu8jt4ao86djp9t2bu458@4ax. com...
On 12 Jan 2006 13:46:28 -0800, wrote:

An American Deluxe with SCN pickups, Tobacco Sunburst color, looks
alot
like Stevie Ray Vaughn's, only not as beat up

you have a '56 strat?

no offense, but i don't believe it. there can't be more than ten of
those left in the world.

i have a '65 strat in golden sunburst with humbuckers which is
pretty
rare.

Unless I'm missing some post's which occurs on occasion, he said he
had
"a
real one," not an original or or 56. A real one to me implies made in
America vs the asian versions. The SCN pickups imply a 2004 or later,
but
I
don't know if SCN's were available before 2004.

a real one would imply a pre-cbs strat - those are real ones.

Well, Shortwave, some of us would just be happy to own a strat made in
America. To us, that would be a real one. Still, I understand your
version
of real versus my version of real. When I go into the store to see if I
can
buy my daughter a strat, I have three choices. A modern strat made in
America or in an Asian country or a vintage $trat. I can afford the one
made in an Asian country. I didn't buy her one, because I couldn't
justify
the price of the one I would want (and I was pretty sure she would last
as
long with guitar lessons as she did with piano lessons). Still, I was
sorely tempted to find a way to buy her one that I would want!

if you are talking strats, real strats are the pre-cbs strats. the
post cbs strats were mostly junk. however, the recent reproduction
strats and even a few of the asian ones are fairly decent guitars -
much better than the cbs versions.

hey, get what you can afford - the object is to have fun. i bought my
strat in '65 when i was playing in what is now called a garage band
that made it big on a local basis. over the years, ive collected a
few - a blue mosrite (the guitar the ventures made famous), a clear
acrylic danelectro bass, a '65 gretsch country gentleman autographed
by chet akins, - which is a whole story in an of itself - and an
original fender telecaster. i also have a custom made ovation
ballader which i bought in '85 during my acoustic phase along with a
gibson banjo and a dulcimer i built.

Glad you stayed with the art. I miss my old Takamine; was it an F 360? I
can't remember, but that number just popped into my head. I played bass.
I
also miss my Rickenbacker 4003 basses (Natural, Black, and White).

What makes a strat made today not a real strat? Why are pre-cbs strats
the
only real strats and today's are just reproductions?

its really snobbery of the worst kind actually, but pre-cbs fender
quitars are considered more - real - than the cbs versions. cbs bought
fender in '65 and started producing in '66 - anything post '65 build
by cbs wasn't a - quality - strat. cbs sold fender in '82 or '83 to
some private investors and since then, they have increased their
presence in the market place and started once again to build a quality
guitar.

so as i said - it's really snobbery - from what ive seen, the new
strats, even a few of the aisan ones, are really nice guitars and are
as - real - as another, but not - real - in the sense that they were
built by leo fender.

Some of the snobbery may come from simple observation. Before I continue, it
should be obvious that I have no idea how well adjusted a brand new strat
would've been, if you picked one up in a store in 1958. But today, Fender
basses come out of the box with necks so out of whack that they're almost
unplayable. I thought of buying one before I got my Peavey a year ago. The
dealer had about 50 Fender P & J basses. I couldn't find a single one with a
properly adjusted neck. This included both the Mexican- and American-made
ones. That makes a really bad impression. Meanwhile, pick up a Peavey,
Spector, Alembic or any number of other brands across a wide price range,
and they arrive at the store adjusted within at a range that most players
would call "sane".

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
ups.com...

Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...


Here's what mine looks like:
http://www.blackcreekguitars.com/04-...-Strat-001.jpg


Since we're showing off guitars, here's one of mine. Not a Fender
though.
It's a Les Paul Gibson Standard. Nothing special, but a sweet sounding
guitar.

http://tinyurl.com/94whl

Eisboch

Is the Marshall amp an old tube amp, or solid state?


It's a "Valvestate" solid state, but supposed to have vacuum tube
coloration.
I've got a big old Mesa Boogie tube amp downstairs that really matches up
well with the Gibson. Too big and heavy to carry up to my room.

Eisboch




Do you have any idea what those old ones are worth??? You could fund your
retirement if you sold it. Or, you could just ship it to me. :)

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Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 07:41:56 -0500, DSK wrote:

"Don White" wrote ...
Just foolin' around with this one...
http://guitar.about.com/library/weekly/aa071200a.htm
I wish there had been resources like this back when I was
learning to play. Maybe it's time to work seriously on
improving....

Anyway, congrats Don, it's a great hobby and I hope you have
a lot of fun. One bit of advice, you'll be amazed at how
cool it is to go sailing with your guitar and play in the
wild, and also you'll be amazed at how bulky & awkward it is
to stow a guitar on your boat!


-rick- wrote:
A tip...

At first it's tempting not to use your pinky finger when playing scales. I made
that mistake as a kid (self taught). It's hard to retrain the fingers later.

Agreed, one should develop good technique from the start BUT:

Have fun first. Remember your goal! Learn to make a few
sounds you like, and pick out a few simple 2 or 3 chord
songs to learn. There are a lot of cool songs that sound
great and aren't very difficult.

screw that - play 'till you fingers bleed - then you will be a real
guitar player.

with a bloody fret board.
The Beatles included that in a song.

--
Reggie
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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...

im operating on one
hand at the moment.

That's disgusting. I know we're all interesting guys, but come on, Tom. We
don't wanna hear about that ****. Jeez.....do you do that in the boat, when
clients are along for the ride?

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Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:52:39 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 05:02:16 GMT, "Bryan"
wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 00:54:35 GMT, "Bryan"
wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
om...
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 00:17:16 GMT, "Bryan"
wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
news:roods19q4ea89mu8jt4ao86djp9t2bu458@4ax .com...
On 12 Jan 2006 13:46:28 -0800, wrote:

An American Deluxe with SCN pickups, Tobacco Sunburst color, looks
alot
like Stevie Ray Vaughn's, only not as beat up

you have a '56 strat?

no offense, but i don't believe it. there can't be more than ten of
those left in the world.

i have a '65 strat in golden sunburst with humbuckers which is
pretty
rare.

Unless I'm missing some post's which occurs on occasion, he said he
had
"a
real one," not an original or or 56. A real one to me implies made in
America vs the asian versions. The SCN pickups imply a 2004 or later,
but
I
don't know if SCN's were available before 2004.

a real one would imply a pre-cbs strat - those are real ones.

Well, Shortwave, some of us would just be happy to own a strat made in
America. To us, that would be a real one. Still, I understand your
version
of real versus my version of real. When I go into the store to see if I
can
buy my daughter a strat, I have three choices. A modern strat made in
America or in an Asian country or a vintage $trat. I can afford the one
made in an Asian country. I didn't buy her one, because I couldn't
justify
the price of the one I would want (and I was pretty sure she would last
as
long with guitar lessons as she did with piano lessons). Still, I was
sorely tempted to find a way to buy her one that I would want!

if you are talking strats, real strats are the pre-cbs strats. the
post cbs strats were mostly junk. however, the recent reproduction
strats and even a few of the asian ones are fairly decent guitars -
much better than the cbs versions.

hey, get what you can afford - the object is to have fun. i bought my
strat in '65 when i was playing in what is now called a garage band
that made it big on a local basis. over the years, ive collected a
few - a blue mosrite (the guitar the ventures made famous), a clear
acrylic danelectro bass, a '65 gretsch country gentleman autographed
by chet akins, - which is a whole story in an of itself - and an
original fender telecaster. i also have a custom made ovation
ballader which i bought in '85 during my acoustic phase along with a
gibson banjo and a dulcimer i built.

Glad you stayed with the art. I miss my old Takamine; was it an F 360? I
can't remember, but that number just popped into my head. I played bass.
I
also miss my Rickenbacker 4003 basses (Natural, Black, and White).

What makes a strat made today not a real strat? Why are pre-cbs strats
the
only real strats and today's are just reproductions?

its really snobbery of the worst kind actually, but pre-cbs fender
quitars are considered more - real - than the cbs versions. cbs bought
fender in '65 and started producing in '66 - anything post '65 build
by cbs wasn't a - quality - strat. cbs sold fender in '82 or '83 to
some private investors and since then, they have increased their
presence in the market place and started once again to build a quality
guitar.

so as i said - it's really snobbery - from what ive seen, the new
strats, even a few of the aisan ones, are really nice guitars and are
as - real - as another, but not - real - in the sense that they were
built by leo fender.

Some of the snobbery may come from simple observation. Before I continue, it
should be obvious that I have no idea how well adjusted a brand new strat
would've been, if you picked one up in a store in 1958. But today, Fender
basses come out of the box with necks so out of whack that they're almost
unplayable. I thought of buying one before I got my Peavey a year ago. The
dealer had about 50 Fender P & J basses. I couldn't find a single one with a
properly adjusted neck. This included both the Mexican- and American-made
ones. That makes a really bad impression. Meanwhile, pick up a Peavey,
Spector, Alembic or any number of other brands across a wide price range,
and they arrive at the store adjusted within at a range that most players
would call "sane".

my ovation, when i bought, was out of whack - guy tuned the neck for
me in about five minutes.

My Ovation was the same way, the strings were almost touching the
fretboard close to the nut.

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Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 20:59:34 -0800, "-rick-" wrote:


"Don White" wrote ...


Just foolin' around with this one...
http://guitar.about.com/library/weekly/aa071200a.htm


A tip...

At first it's tempting not to use your pinky finger when playing scales. I made
that mistake as a kid (self taught). It's hard to retrain the fingers later.

ill second that...

Yup. That's why its very good to take some lessons from a good teacher
early on, they'll point out your bad habits and get you on the right
track. I am amazed at the number of teachers who don't even bother
helping students develop the picking hand, and when I play guitar with
other people, see picking styles that range from not economizing
motion, to plain horrendous.

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Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...

Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...


Here's what mine looks like:
http://www.blackcreekguitars.com/04-...-Strat-001.jpg


Since we're showing off guitars, here's one of mine. Not a Fender
though.
It's a Les Paul Gibson Standard. Nothing special, but a sweet sounding
guitar.

http://tinyurl.com/94whl

Eisboch

Is the Marshall amp an old tube amp, or solid state?


It's a "Valvestate" solid state, but supposed to have vacuum tube
coloration.
I've got a big old Mesa Boogie tube amp downstairs that really matches up
well with the Gibson. Too big and heavy to carry up to my room.

I'm trying to buy an old Fender Vibrolux reverb combo from an
aquaintence, but he's not coming down much on the price. LOVE that
sound. I've got a Peavey amp that's solid state but warms the tones in
the same way that Marshall's valvestate does. It's nice enough, but I'd
sure like that Vibrolux, what a blues amp! Believe it or not, my
brother has an old, old Heathkit tube amp that was akin to the Fender
Reverb Combo that plays pretty nicely.

OT New hobby... boat related
 

chuckgould.chuck wrote:
I'm now a little more than a year into my bagpipe lessons.


So, can you play 'Amazing Grace'?

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
i have always wanted to learn how to play bagpipes.

if only for the nuisance factor.

Not only that, bagpipes make excellent fog signals. In heavy
fog, you can stand on your foredeck laying the bagpipes and
it not only qualifies as an official USCG warning signal, it
keeps other vessels MILES & MILES away!

DSK

OT New hobby
 

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 04:53:20 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 00:54:35 GMT, "Bryan"
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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 00:17:16 GMT, "Bryan"
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On 12 Jan 2006 13:46:28 -0800, wrote:


An American Deluxe with SCN pickups, Tobacco Sunburst color, looks
alot
like Stevie Ray Vaughn's, only not as beat up

you have a '56 strat?

no offense, but i don't believe it. there can't be more than ten of
those left in the world.

i have a '65 strat in golden sunburst with humbuckers which is pretty
rare.

Unless I'm missing some post's which occurs on occasion, he said he had
"a
real one," not an original or or 56. A real one to me implies made in
America vs the asian versions. The SCN pickups imply a 2004 or later,
but
I
don't know if SCN's were available before 2004.

a real one would imply a pre-cbs strat - those are real ones.

Well, Shortwave, some of us would just be happy to own a strat made in
America. To us, that would be a real one. Still, I understand your
version
of real versus my version of real. When I go into the store to see if I
can
buy my daughter a strat, I have three choices. A modern strat made in
America or in an Asian country or a vintage $trat. I can afford the one
made in an Asian country. I didn't buy her one, because I couldn't
justify
the price of the one I would want (and I was pretty sure she would last as
long with guitar lessons as she did with piano lessons). Still, I was
sorely tempted to find a way to buy her one that I would want!

if you are talking strats, real strats are the pre-cbs strats. the
post cbs strats were mostly junk. however, the recent reproduction
strats and even a few of the asian ones are fairly decent guitars -
much better than the cbs versions.

hey, get what you can afford - the object is to have fun. i bought my
strat in '65 when i was playing in what is now called a garage band
that made it big on a local basis. over the years, ive collected a
few - a blue mosrite (the guitar the ventures made famous), a clear
acrylic danelectro bass, a '65 gretsch country gentleman autographed
by chet akins, - which is a whole story in an of itself - and an
original fender telecaster. i also have a custom made ovation
ballader which i bought in '85 during my acoustic phase along with a
gibson banjo and a dulcimer i built.

How hard was the dulcimer to build? Hammered or a picked dulcimer? My
daughter is a music therapist with Autistic and other challenged children.
Had thought of building her one. As to cost of piano lessons, my daughters
cost me a lot. Since she got a dual degree in music therapy and piano
performance. And her acoustic guitar cost me I think $600 10 years ago,


dulcimers are a piece iof cake to build if you have the patience and
some wood working experience. even without the experience, if you are
patient, buy a kit. ive built both hammered and strummed ducimers.
ive also built several bowed psaltrys and probably my crowning
achievement, an autoharp. the autoharp was a project, but the results
were worth it.

You're quite the talented guy Tom.
What are you doing in a place like this?

OT New hobby
 

Have fun first. Remember your goal! Learn to make a few
sounds you like, and pick out a few simple 2 or 3 chord
songs to learn. There are a lot of cool songs that sound
great and aren't very difficult.


Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
screw that - play 'till you fingers bleed - then you will be a real
guitar player.


Or, much more likely, you'll give up on the whole idea of
such a stupid & masochistic pastime. Like 99.9% of the
people who pick up a musical instrument.

It's true that there's a fine line between having a hobby
and being obsessed.

And If I hear any more crap about "real" Strats I'll bop you
over the head with my Fender arch-top... yes it's
acoustic... or if really annoyed will use my Gibson.

Regards
Doug King

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"Don White" wrote in message
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dulcimers are a piece iof cake to build if you have the patience and
some wood working experience. even without the experience, if you are
patient, buy a kit. ive built both hammered and strummed ducimers.
ive also built several bowed psaltrys and probably my crowning
achievement, an autoharp. the autoharp was a project, but the results
were worth it.

You're quite the talented guy Tom.
What are you doing in a place like this?

He's typing with one hand, and we don't know exactly what he's doing with
the other, and you ask a question like that? I think the answer's pretty
obvious.

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Reggie Smithers wrote:
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 07:41:56 -0500, DSK wrote:

"Don White" wrote ...

Just foolin' around with this one...
http://guitar.about.com/library/weekly/aa071200a.htm

I wish there had been resources like this back when I was learning to
play. Maybe it's time to work seriously on improving....

Anyway, congrats Don, it's a great hobby and I hope you have a lot of
fun. One bit of advice, you'll be amazed at how cool it is to go
sailing with your guitar and play in the wild, and also you'll be
amazed at how bulky & awkward it is to stow a guitar on your boat!


-rick- wrote:

A tip...

At first it's tempting not to use your pinky finger when playing
scales. I made that mistake as a kid (self taught). It's hard to
retrain the fingers later.

Agreed, one should develop good technique from the start BUT:

Have fun first. Remember your goal! Learn to make a few sounds you
like, and pick out a few simple 2 or 3 chord songs to learn. There
are a lot of cool songs that sound great and aren't very difficult.


screw that - play 'till you fingers bleed - then you will be a real
guitar player.

with a bloody fret board.

The Beatles included that in a song.


"I got blisters on my fingers" John lennon... White Album??

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Doug Kanter wrote:
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...


im operating on one
hand at the moment.


That's disgusting. I know we're all interesting guys, but come on, Tom. We
don't wanna hear about that ****. Jeez.....do you do that in the boat, when
clients are along for the ride?



Thought the multi-talented Tom meant he is a surgeon in his spare time
and was operating on his own hand.

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"Don White" wrote in message
...
Reggie Smithers wrote:
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 07:41:56 -0500, DSK wrote:

"Don White" wrote ...

Just foolin' around with this one...
http://guitar.about.com/library/weekly/aa071200a.htm

I wish there had been resources like this back when I was learning to
play. Maybe it's time to work seriously on improving....

Anyway, congrats Don, it's a great hobby and I hope you have a lot of
fun. One bit of advice, you'll be amazed at how cool it is to go
sailing with your guitar and play in the wild, and also you'll be
amazed at how bulky & awkward it is to stow a guitar on your boat!


-rick- wrote:

A tip...

At first it's tempting not to use your pinky finger when playing
scales. I made that mistake as a kid (self taught). It's hard to
retrain the fingers later.

Agreed, one should develop good technique from the start BUT:

Have fun first. Remember your goal! Learn to make a few sounds you
like, and pick out a few simple 2 or 3 chord songs to learn. There are
a lot of cool songs that sound great and aren't very difficult.


screw that - play 'till you fingers bleed - then you will be a real
guitar player.

with a bloody fret board.

The Beatles included that in a song.


"I got blisters on my fingers" John lennon... White Album??

Yes. But not Lennon. Ringo, White Album, Disc 2, 'Helter Skelter'.

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Bryan wrote:
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 19:00:14 GMT, Don White
wrote:

Takamine

built by kaman who makes ovation - good choice.

My first acoustic was a Takamine. It was a very nice guitar. Don't have
it
anymore and don't play anymore. Probably still a great choice for an
affordable quality first acoustic.

Yes, Takamine makes pretty decent guitars. a friend has an
acoustic/electric 12 string that is pretty sweet sounding.


My friends with Martins also had something nice to say about my Takamine and
didn't hesitate to use mine when they didn't have theirs, but it still was
never a Martin.

OT New hobby... strad vs strat
 

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 09:52:58 -0500, DSK wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
I watched an interesting television show the other day (History Channel,
I
think). The subject was that of trying to unlock the mystery of the
superior
tonal quality of a Stradivarius violin. Many theories have been put
forth
over the years, the most popular being that he used a secret lacquer.
Turns
out not to be true. The "secret" was simply that he lived during a
cyclic
climate era with very little rain, resulting in slow tree growth and
closely
spaced tree rings in the wood.


If that were true, then every instrument made during that
period would have similar tonal qualities, no?

Some years ago I read an article about an instrument maker
trying to duplicate Stradivari's tone, and he had good
results soaking the wood in various thinned resins. He used
a different material to soak the top & back of the violin,
and supposedly produced varying tone qualities... his
instruments were "approaching" Stadivari's but none
duplicated the sound. This article mentioned the wood
density due to climate & special lacquer, too.

ive read everything from climate to specific density of the wood to -
jeese about anything you can think of.

personally, i doubt that a strad that made it to today sounds anything
like it did originally if only because of the different quality
strings.

Yep. Plus, what do they make the bow strings of? Horse tail hairs, I
think. Horses have evolved since then. Just ask Mrs. E.

Eisboch

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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:56:07 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:



let me see - i can take that comment as that horses have evolved...

or...

i can take that comment to mean that mrs. e was around back when
stradivari was making violins and has personal knowledge of horses
evolving.

which, of course, would be your fault because you said it - i didn't.

hmmmm - what to do - what to do...

Oh, S&%#$! She lurks here. .... Since she's out .... I think I'll go a
quick "catch-up" on her computer's newsfeeder.

Eisboch

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Bryan wrote:
wrote in message
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Bryan wrote:

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...

On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 19:00:14 GMT, Don White
wrote:


Takamine

built by kaman who makes ovation - good choice.

My first acoustic was a Takamine. It was a very nice guitar. Don't have
it
anymore and don't play anymore. Probably still a great choice for an
affordable quality first acoustic.

Yes, Takamine makes pretty decent guitars. a friend has an
acoustic/electric 12 string that is pretty sweet sounding.



My friends with Martins also had something nice to say about my Takamine and
didn't hesitate to use mine when they didn't have theirs, but it still was
never a Martin.


That makes me feel better. You never know when a salesman is taking
advantage of a 'rube' to unload something.

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Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:


i wonder how long i can keep this thread alive....


At the risk of sounding wimpy......
ever see some kind of finger thimble that a person could use to keep
your fingers from touching two strings at once?
I'm thinking of something plastic that would go over your 4 frettin'
fingers.

OT New hobby... boat related
 

DSK wrote:
chuckgould.chuck wrote:
I'm now a little more than a year into my bagpipe lessons.


So, can you play 'Amazing Grace'?


Yes, but not well. I spent a year learning doublings, throws, and a lot
of other fancy fingerings and we're just now starting on some tunes. I
predict it will be another year before
I am fit to play in public, but with the thorough instruction I'm
receiving I should be at least mediocre, if not downright average, when
I make my "debut". :-)

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"Don White" wrote in message
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Bryan wrote:
wrote in message
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Bryan wrote:

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
m...

On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 19:00:14 GMT, Don White
wrote:


Takamine

built by kaman who makes ovation - good choice.

My first acoustic was a Takamine. It was a very nice guitar. Don't
have it
anymore and don't play anymore. Probably still a great choice for an
affordable quality first acoustic.

Yes, Takamine makes pretty decent guitars. a friend has an
acoustic/electric 12 string that is pretty sweet sounding.



My friends with Martins also had something nice to say about my Takamine
and didn't hesitate to use mine when they didn't have theirs, but it
still was never a Martin.
That makes me feel better. You never know when a salesman is taking
advantage of a 'rube' to unload something.

Don,
I've found in my experience that legitimate instrument dealers don't sell
you beach front property in Arizona! And unless things have changed,
Takamine is a good product.
Bryan

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Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
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Here's what mine looks like:
http://www.blackcreekguitars.com/04-...-Strat-001.jpg


Since we're showing off guitars, here's one of mine. Not a Fender though.
It's a Les Paul Gibson Standard. Nothing special, but a sweet sounding
guitar.

http://tinyurl.com/94whl

Eisboch


Very nice!! I have a cherry-sunburst Les Paul Deluxe that
my wife surprised me with when we were young and couldn't
really afford it. It has those slightly smaller
mini-humbucker pickups that give the bridge position a
brighter tone (almost telecaster like). Think Dicky Betts.

The cheap Mexican strat is played daily because it's so
comfortable while a Tacoma acoustic is sadly neglected.

-rick-

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Don White wrote:

At the risk of sounding wimpy......
ever see some kind of finger thimble that a person could use to keep
your fingers from touching two strings at once?
I'm thinking of something plastic that would go over your 4 frettin'
fingers.

I've never heard of such a thing and suspect it would be
awkward and the reduced feeling would make it harder to
sense position.

Are your fingertips that thick? There have been some great
guitarists with big hands. (Stevie Ray Vaughn, Jimi, Mark
Knopfler)

Try not to push down any harder than absolutely necessary.
After your callouses build a bit the tips will be harder and
less squishy. If all else fails you could play bass... right
Doug?

-rick-

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Reggie Smithers wrote:

For the fanatics, they mean the pre-cbs. ; ) Anyone who knows Tom
knows he is a fanatic.

Anyone who would pay $50,000 for a used guitar and amp would qualify as
a fanatic. ; )

But they were cheap when they were new.

Sure wish I still had the black face twin reverb I sold for
pizza and beer money in college.

-rick-

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On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 21:00:00 -0800, chuckgould.chuck wrote:


I'm now a little more than a year into my bagpipe lessons. You want an
oddball instrument, the bagpipe qualifies. The first thing one needs to do
is learn to "unread" music, as the time values are only approximate.

Scottish or Australian bagpipe? ;-)

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-rick- wrote:
Don White wrote:

At the risk of sounding wimpy......
ever see some kind of finger thimble that a person could use to keep
your fingers from touching two strings at once?
I'm thinking of something plastic that would go over your 4 frettin'
fingers.


I've never heard of such a thing and suspect it would be awkward and the
reduced feeling would make it harder to sense position.

Are your fingertips that thick? There have been some great guitarists
with big hands. (Stevie Ray Vaughn, Jimi, Mark Knopfler)

Try not to push down any harder than absolutely necessary. After your
callouses build a bit the tips will be harder and less squishy. If all
else fails you could play bass... right Doug?

-rick-


That could be it. I get the string indent on my finger tips.

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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:01:02 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
. ..

im operating on one
hand at the moment.

That's disgusting. I know we're all interesting guys, but come on, Tom. We
don't wanna hear about that ****. Jeez.....do you do that in the boat,
when
clients are along for the ride?

whats disgusting? that i type with one hand?

I know what you're up to, you filthy man.

:-)

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Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

nothing like that transformer sound.

It's interesting how the old tube amps with output
transformers were pretty bad in terms of bandwidth and
fidelity yet had more pleasing distortion, especially when
pushed hard and the non-linear speaker load reflected back
to the output tubes and the wimpy tube rectifier power
supply started sagging. It makes a pretty complex system
when combined with room acoustics, guitar resonances, and
multiple feedback paths.

Theres been a lot of work on DSP emulation and modeling that
so far I've not found nearly as satisfying but it's sure
nice to be able to come close at low volume.

oh crap, Moss just got a gift in the end zone.

-rick-