The *New* Rules of this NG have become..............
 

Eisboch wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote...

Harry is suffering from some withdrawal symptoms and there are always
a few who'd like to see him fall off the wagon. I'm hoping he'll
continue to take it one day at a time and prove them wrong.

I think this needs to be said.

I've been a subscriber to rec.boats since 1995. For the most part it has
been a very enjoyable experience. I've enjoyed the boating discussions, sea
stories, tall tales, humor plus the more than occasional "Off Topic"
discussions that amount to nothing but dock chat. Although I've never met
most of the participants, the names are all like old friends.

Many times the NG has provided entertainment that you just couldn't find
anywhere else. Who can forget the famous bilge pump debates between Marcus
and Mrs. B.?

Unfortunately, the political side of things invested itself during the
election of 2000. Certain people have never let it go - and the political
infection of rec.boats took root. This, singularly, has been the primary
reason for the deterioration of the group during the past 7-8 years, IMOH.

The attempt to return to "boating" only discussions will never work, because
rec.boats was never only about boating. It was an internet based comradely
of people who shared a common root interest but enjoyed the discussion and
humor of all subjects, very much like the social environment at the dock or
marina.

Like every other social group though, you gotta leave politics and religion
out of it. If we all simply did that - this NG would be fine.

Very well said! And it did need to be said. I'd further point out that
those OT political threads encouraged increased participation by some
very unhealthy elements. Look no further than the most prolific
"contributors" over the last couple days... I think we can easily ID
those who clearly don't understand the difference between having
something interesting to say and feeling the need to say something. One
single poster issued 57 posts over the last 2 days but said absolutely
nothing. Sadly, the most prolific posters to rec.boats today also seem
to be the most intellectually challenged.

--
Skipper

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JimH wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
. ..

On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:44:53 GMT, WaIIy
wrote:


One thing... I'm suprised that Harry is jabbing you in the ribs.

Harry is suffering from some withdrawal symptoms and there are always
a few who'd like to see him fall off the wagon. I'm hoping he'll
continue to take it one day at a time and prove them wrong.


I think this needs to be said.

I've been a subscriber to rec.boats since 1995. For the most part it has
been a very enjoyable experience. I've enjoyed the boating discussions,
sea stories, tall tales, humor plus the more than occasional "Off Topic"
discussions that amount to nothing but dock chat. Although I've never met
most of the participants, the names are all like old friends.

Many times the NG has provided entertainment that you just couldn't find
anywhere else. Who can forget the famous bilge pump debates between
Marcus and Mrs. B.?

Unfortunately, the political side of things invested itself during the
election of 2000.
Certain people have never let it go - and the political infection of
rec.boats took root. This, singularly, has been the primary reason for
the deterioration of the group during the past 7-8 years, IMOH.

The attempt to return to "boating" only discussions will never work,
because rec.boats was never only about boating. It was an internet based
comradely of people who shared a common root interest but enjoyed the
discussion and humor of all subjects, very much like the social
environment at the dock or marina.

Like every other social group though, you gotta leave politics and
religion out of it.
If we all simply did that - this NG would be fine.

Eisboch




I agree.......to a point.

There have been several political discussions here over the past several
days that were perfectly civil. It can be done.

However I generally agree that eventually discussions about politics and
religion can and most likely will become heated. That is a universal truth.

All I am trying to do is to get folks to see that it does not all have to be
about boats.......leave out the personal attacks, flames and trolling and we
will be fine, regardless if we talk about pigs, cameras, computers or sex
offenders set free.

And except for a few repeat offenders we have proven we can do it.

So let's stop the netcopping. Let's ignore those who continue to fan the
flames and personally attack. Let's not force topics to make sure they
contain the word boat in them. Let's get back to being an interesting NG
that can civilly discuss most every issue, boating related or not.

OK?



"Like every other social group though, you gotta leave politics and
religion out of it.
If we all simply did that - this NG would be fine."

--
Reggie
************************************************** *********************
If you would like to make rec.boats an enjoyable place to discuss
boating, please do not respond to the political and inflammatory
off- topic posts and flames.
************************************************** *********************

The *New* Rules of this NG have become..............
 

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...


I think this needs to be said.

I've been a subscriber to rec.boats since 1995. For the most part it has
been a very enjoyable experience. I've enjoyed the boating discussions,
sea stories, tall tales, humor plus the more than occasional "Off Topic"
discussions that amount to nothing but dock chat. Although I've never met
most of the participants, the names are all like old friends.

Many times the NG has provided entertainment that you just couldn't find
anywhere else. Who can forget the famous bilge pump debates between
Marcus and Mrs. B.?

Unfortunately, the political side of things invested itself during the
election of 2000.
Certain people have never let it go - and the political infection of
rec.boats took root. This, singularly, has been the primary reason for
the deterioration of the group during the past 7-8 years, IMOH.

The attempt to return to "boating" only discussions will never work,
because rec.boats was never only about boating. It was an internet based
comradely of people who shared a common root interest but enjoyed the
discussion and humor of all subjects, very much like the social
environment at the dock or marina.

Like every other social group though, you gotta leave politics and
religion out of it.
If we all simply did that - this NG would be fine.

Eisboch

Well said, Richard. I date back to early 1998 in this group, and I agree
with your observations entirely. There is no question that politics is the
poison that turned this forum into its ugly self and has caused so many
terrific regulars to quietly (and some not so quietly) disappear. It's been
very difficult in recent times for me to stick around. This place was
crazier than a bag of hammers in the late 90's, but immensely fun. But once
the politics of the 2000 general election took center stage, it's just never
been the same. Like you say, there's just certain highly charged subjects
that it's just not good common social sense to discuss in mixed company.
The outcome of such banter is 100% predictable, and rarely pretty.

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"RG" wrote in message news:aEjxf.5254$B93.5125@fed1read07...


Well said, Richard. I date back to early 1998 in this group, ...

(rest snipped)

I just remembered who you are. Saw your boat pic over in the other NG.
Russ, right?

When I was first setting up the "Boats of rec.boats" web site, way back
when, you sent you boat pic with a request for "Summer Wind" as the
background music. I got a big kick out of doing it because I also found and
posted the lyrics.

Eisboch

The *New* Rules of this NG have become..............
 

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"RG" wrote in message
news:aEjxf.5254$B93.5125@fed1read07...


Well said, Richard. I date back to early 1998 in this group, ...

(rest snipped)

I just remembered who you are. Saw your boat pic over in the other NG.
Russ, right?


Busted.

OT: The *New* Rules of this NG have become..............
 

On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:21:38 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

Serious unmoderated groups should be self-moderating.

Eisboch

==================

Indeed. Moderation in all things...

:-)

The *New* Rules of this NG have become..............
 

On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:18:10 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

Like every other social group though, you gotta leave politics and religion
out of it.
If we all simply did that - this NG would be fine.

Excellent.

No politics, no religion.

Let's add it to the charter (the unwritten one of course).

Can we all agree?

OT: The *New* Rules of this NG have become..............
 

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:21:38 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

Serious unmoderated groups should be self-moderating.

Eisboch

==================

Indeed. Moderation in all things...


Including moderation!

Couldn't help myself.

I've found the new tone of this ng to be a much friendlier place to hang
out.

Bryan

The *New* Rules of this NG have become..............
 

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:44:53 GMT, WaIIy
wrote:

One thing... I'm suprised that Harry is jabbing you in the ribs.

Harry is suffering from some withdrawal symptoms and there are always
a few who'd like to see him fall off the wagon. I'm hoping he'll
continue to take it one day at a time and prove them wrong.


I think this needs to be said.

I've been a subscriber to rec.boats since 1995. For the most part it has
been a very enjoyable experience. I've enjoyed the boating discussions,
sea stories, tall tales, humor plus the more than occasional "Off Topic"
discussions that amount to nothing but dock chat. Although I've never met
most of the participants, the names are all like old friends.

Many times the NG has provided entertainment that you just couldn't find
anywhere else. Who can forget the famous bilge pump debates between
Marcus and Mrs. B.?

Unfortunately, the political side of things invested itself during the
election of 2000.
Certain people have never let it go - and the political infection of
rec.boats took root. This, singularly, has been the primary reason for
the deterioration of the group during the past 7-8 years, IMOH.

The attempt to return to "boating" only discussions will never work,
because rec.boats was never only about boating. It was an internet based
comradely of people who shared a common root interest but enjoyed the
discussion and humor of all subjects, very much like the social
environment at the dock or marina.

Like every other social group though, you gotta leave politics and
religion out of it.
If we all simply did that - this NG would be fine.

Eisboch

Can I get a big amen to that, brothers and sisters.

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JimH wrote:
"Dan Krueger" wrote in message
ink.net...
wrote:
JimH wrote:

.................inconsistent.

I was *officially* reprimanded by some folks here for posting a non
political article about a current event. Everyone participating in the
discussion offered reasonable comments and there were not flames. OK.
Fair
enough. This is a boating NG.

I continue to read numerous posts/threads about cameras, photography,
dogs,
pigs, etc. (non boating). However, I read no reprimands about those
posts.

A bit confusing. Very inconsistent.

Could someone please explain what the new and improved *rules* of this NG
are?


How about *do unto others as you would have them do unto you*?
One of your problems, Jim, is that you preach to the choir, then don't
heed your own advice.

How about "practice what you preach", Kevin? Notice the clever use of
those fancy quotation marks?


I was thinking the exact same thing Dan. Kevin has flamed me several times
today.

"Do unto others........" How funny.

Here we go again, Jim is doing his damnest to flame me. It starts with
him calling me kevin, then goes on from there. Next he'll be lying
about others, etc.