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I was *officially* reprimanded by some folks here for posting a non political article about a current event. Everyone participating in the discussion offered reasonable comments and there were not flames. OK. Fair enough. This is a boating NG. I continue to read numerous posts/threads about cameras, photography, dogs, pigs, etc. (non boating). However, I read no reprimands about those posts. A bit confusing. Very inconsistent. Could someone please explain what the new and improved *rules* of this NG are? |
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JimH wrote: .................inconsistent. I was *officially* reprimanded by some folks here for posting a non political article about a current event. Everyone participating in the discussion offered reasonable comments and there were not flames. OK. Fair enough. This is a boating NG. I continue to read numerous posts/threads about cameras, photography, dogs, pigs, etc. (non boating). However, I read no reprimands about those posts. A bit confusing. Very inconsistent. Could someone please explain what the new and improved *rules* of this NG are? How about *do unto others as you would have them do unto you*? One of your problems, Jim, is that you preach to the choir, then don't heed your own advice. |
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On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:30:25 -0500, " JimH" jimh_osudadATyahooDOT com
wrote: .................inconsistent. I was *officially* reprimanded by some folks here for posting a non political article about a current event. Everyone participating in the discussion offered reasonable comments and there were not flames. OK. Fair enough. This is a boating NG. I continue to read numerous posts/threads about cameras, photography, dogs, pigs, etc. (non boating). However, I read no reprimands about those posts. A bit confusing. Very inconsistent. Could someone please explain what the new and improved *rules* of this NG are? Gosh, could you post the official reprimand? He Suggested new and improved rules--- 1.Be nice. 2. When a thread becomes acrimonious, acerbic, or filled with asperity, move on. 3. As political threads soon lead to 2, above, don't start them. -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes |
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"JohnH" wrote in message ... On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:30:25 -0500, " JimH" jimh_osudadATyahooDOT com wrote: .................inconsistent. I was *officially* reprimanded by some folks here for posting a non political article about a current event. Everyone participating in the discussion offered reasonable comments and there were not flames. OK. Fair enough. This is a boating NG. I continue to read numerous posts/threads about cameras, photography, dogs, pigs, etc. (non boating). However, I read no reprimands about those posts. A bit confusing. Very inconsistent. Could someone please explain what the new and improved *rules* of this NG are? Gosh, could you post the official reprimand? Sure. From my thread titled "OT: Not political but it will make you mad..." 1. "The group has made a drastic turnaround, and will continue as long as we refuse to participate in the trolls." 2. "You'll probably find a lot more people interested in discussing sex crimes at: http://www.sexcriminals.com/forums/ " |
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" JimH" jimh_osudadATyahooDOT com wrote in message . .. .................inconsistent. I was *officially* reprimanded by some folks here for posting a non political article about a current event. Everyone participating in the discussion offered reasonable comments and there were not flames. OK. Fair enough. This is a boating NG. I continue to read numerous posts/threads about cameras, photography, dogs, pigs, etc. (non boating). However, I read no reprimands about those posts. A bit confusing. Very inconsistent. Could someone please explain what the new and improved *rules* of this NG are? There are no rules, silly. It's an unmoderated group. Of course, some of us observe the common courtesy of putting an OT in the subject line when we post off-topic threads like this one. |
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"NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... " JimH" jimh_osudadATyahooDOT com wrote in message . .. .................inconsistent. I was *officially* reprimanded by some folks here for posting a non political article about a current event. Everyone participating in the discussion offered reasonable comments and there were not flames. OK. Fair enough. This is a boating NG. I continue to read numerous posts/threads about cameras, photography, dogs, pigs, etc. (non boating). However, I read no reprimands about those posts. A bit confusing. Very inconsistent. Could someone please explain what the new and improved *rules* of this NG are? There are no rules, silly. It's an unmoderated group. Agreed. Of course, some of us observe the common courtesy of putting an OT in the subject line when we post off-topic threads like this one. I try to when it is OT. My original post to this thread had everything to do with rec.boats and was therefore not OT. |
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On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:09:57 -0500, " JimH" jimh_osudadATyahooDOT com
wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:30:25 -0500, " JimH" jimh_osudadATyahooDOT com wrote: .................inconsistent. I was *officially* reprimanded by some folks here for posting a non political article about a current event. Everyone participating in the discussion offered reasonable comments and there were not flames. OK. Fair enough. This is a boating NG. I continue to read numerous posts/threads about cameras, photography, dogs, pigs, etc. (non boating). However, I read no reprimands about those posts. A bit confusing. Very inconsistent. Could someone please explain what the new and improved *rules* of this NG are? Gosh, could you post the official reprimand? Sure. From my thread titled "OT: Not political but it will make you mad..." 1. "The group has made a drastic turnaround, and will continue as long as we refuse to participate in the trolls." 2. "You'll probably find a lot more people interested in discussing sex crimes at: http://www.sexcriminals.com/forums/ " Where's the rest of my post? -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes |
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JimH wrote: Gosh, could you post the official reprimand? Sure. From my thread titled "OT: Not political but it will make you mad..." 1. "The group has made a drastic turnaround, and will continue as long as we refuse to participate in the trolls." 2. "You'll probably find a lot more people interested in discussing sex crimes at: http://www.sexcriminals.com/forums/ " ???? You're combining two different comments, if I'm not mistaken. You might consider constructing your message a bit more carefully so that people don't think you are representing those two combined remarks as a single "reprimand." I take credit for statement #2. If it was preceded by statement #1, I must have been out of my mind at the moment (always a possiblity) as I don't remember making statement #1, at least not in the same post as statement #2. It's not a reprimand, it's a helpful suggestion. You must have felt very passionately about the issue to introduce a subject that (according to your own thread title) was certain to make people "mad". Had you followed the link I provided, you would have found hundreds of people equally mad about sex criminals and a huge number who would have expressed feelings consistent with your own. Nobody condones the sexual victimization of others, most especially children. Why start a thread that you admit is going to make people mad? Wouldn't it make more sense to discuss sex crimes with a group of people who have come together for that exact purpose? This forum is supposed to be about recreational boating. We have raped and abused it so badly in the past that we must surely be on the "habitual offenders list". :-) |
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wrote in message oups.com... JimH wrote: Gosh, could you post the official reprimand? Sure. From my thread titled "OT: Not political but it will make you mad..." 1. "The group has made a drastic turnaround, and will continue as long as we refuse to participate in the trolls." 2. "You'll probably find a lot more people interested in discussing sex crimes at: http://www.sexcriminals.com/forums/ " snip This forum is supposed to be about recreational boating. Not by the variety of posts I read here. But who cares, as long as there is no name calling and personal attacks. Stop this and you have accomplished something. Heck, even today someone who suggested a kinder and gentler "do unto others.." approach personally attacked me a couple of times. Go figure. |
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On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:44:53 GMT, WaIIy
wrote: One thing... I'm suprised that Harry is jabbing you in the ribs. Harry is suffering from some withdrawal symptoms and there are always a few who'd like to see him fall off the wagon. I'm hoping he'll continue to take it one day at a time and prove them wrong. |
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Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:44:53 GMT, WaIIy wrote: One thing... I'm suprised that Harry is jabbing you in the ribs. Harry is suffering from some withdrawal symptoms and there are always a few who'd like to see him fall off the wagon. I'm hoping he'll continue to take it one day at a time and prove them wrong. Harry has shown much restraint, and as long as he stays the course, he will prove all of his detractors wrong. That might be the best revenge. -- Reggie ************************************************** ********************* If you would like to make rec.boats an enjoyable place to discuss boating, please do not respond to the political and inflammatory off- topic posts and flames. ************************************************** ********************* |
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On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:38:25 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: Sorry, but I am not suffering withdrawal symptoms. The reality is, I have no more patience for those who exhibit "holier than thou" behavior than those who exhibit right-wing hypocrisy. Not sure if you are referring to Chuck or myself. I think Chuck is very sincere in his efforts, hopefully I am also. I'd really like to see more focus on boating here, and less of the personal chat room flame war junk. |
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Dan Krueger wrote:
How about "practice what you preach", Kevin? Notice the clever use of those fancy quotation marks? Who are you quoting? |
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"Dan Krueger" wrote in message ink.net... wrote: JimH wrote: .................inconsistent. I was *officially* reprimanded by some folks here for posting a non political article about a current event. Everyone participating in the discussion offered reasonable comments and there were not flames. OK. Fair enough. This is a boating NG. I continue to read numerous posts/threads about cameras, photography, dogs, pigs, etc. (non boating). However, I read no reprimands about those posts. A bit confusing. Very inconsistent. Could someone please explain what the new and improved *rules* of this NG are? How about *do unto others as you would have them do unto you*? One of your problems, Jim, is that you preach to the choir, then don't heed your own advice. How about "practice what you preach", Kevin? Notice the clever use of those fancy quotation marks? I was thinking the exact same thing Dan. Kevin has flamed me several times today. "Do unto others........" How funny. |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:44:53 GMT, WaIIy wrote: One thing... I'm suprised that Harry is jabbing you in the ribs. Harry is suffering from some withdrawal symptoms and there are always a few who'd like to see him fall off the wagon. I'm hoping he'll continue to take it one day at a time and prove them wrong. I think this needs to be said. I've been a subscriber to rec.boats since 1995. For the most part it has been a very enjoyable experience. I've enjoyed the boating discussions, sea stories, tall tales, humor plus the more than occasional "Off Topic" discussions that amount to nothing but dock chat. Although I've never met most of the participants, the names are all like old friends. Many times the NG has provided entertainment that you just couldn't find anywhere else. Who can forget the famous bilge pump debates between Marcus and Mrs. B.? Unfortunately, the political side of things invested itself during the election of 2000. Certain people have never let it go - and the political infection of rec.boats took root. This, singularly, has been the primary reason for the deterioration of the group during the past 7-8 years, IMOH. The attempt to return to "boating" only discussions will never work, because rec.boats was never only about boating. It was an internet based comradely of people who shared a common root interest but enjoyed the discussion and humor of all subjects, very much like the social environment at the dock or marina. Like every other social group though, you gotta leave politics and religion out of it. If we all simply did that - this NG would be fine. Eisboch |
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"NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... There are no rules, silly. It's an unmoderated group. Serious unmoderated groups should be self-moderating. Eisboch |
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"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:44:53 GMT, WaIIy wrote: One thing... I'm suprised that Harry is jabbing you in the ribs. Harry is suffering from some withdrawal symptoms and there are always a few who'd like to see him fall off the wagon. I'm hoping he'll continue to take it one day at a time and prove them wrong. I think this needs to be said. I've been a subscriber to rec.boats since 1995. For the most part it has been a very enjoyable experience. I've enjoyed the boating discussions, sea stories, tall tales, humor plus the more than occasional "Off Topic" discussions that amount to nothing but dock chat. Although I've never met most of the participants, the names are all like old friends. Many times the NG has provided entertainment that you just couldn't find anywhere else. Who can forget the famous bilge pump debates between Marcus and Mrs. B.? Unfortunately, the political side of things invested itself during the election of 2000. Certain people have never let it go - and the political infection of rec.boats took root. This, singularly, has been the primary reason for the deterioration of the group during the past 7-8 years, IMOH. The attempt to return to "boating" only discussions will never work, because rec.boats was never only about boating. It was an internet based comradely of people who shared a common root interest but enjoyed the discussion and humor of all subjects, very much like the social environment at the dock or marina. Like every other social group though, you gotta leave politics and religion out of it. If we all simply did that - this NG would be fine. Eisboch I agree.......to a point. There have been several political discussions here over the past several days that were perfectly civil. It can be done. However I generally agree that eventually discussions about politics and religion can and most likely will become heated. That is a universal truth. All I am trying to do is to get folks to see that it does not all have to be about boats.......leave out the personal attacks, flames and trolling and we will be fine, regardless if we talk about pigs, cameras, computers or sex offenders set free. And except for a few repeat offenders we have proven we can do it. So let's stop the netcopping. Let's ignore those who continue to fan the flames and personally attack. Let's not force topics to make sure they contain the word boat in them. Let's get back to being an interesting NG that can civilly discuss most every issue, boating related or not. OK? |
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Eisboch wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote... Harry is suffering from some withdrawal symptoms and there are always a few who'd like to see him fall off the wagon. I'm hoping he'll continue to take it one day at a time and prove them wrong. I think this needs to be said. I've been a subscriber to rec.boats since 1995. For the most part it has been a very enjoyable experience. I've enjoyed the boating discussions, sea stories, tall tales, humor plus the more than occasional "Off Topic" discussions that amount to nothing but dock chat. Although I've never met most of the participants, the names are all like old friends. Many times the NG has provided entertainment that you just couldn't find anywhere else. Who can forget the famous bilge pump debates between Marcus and Mrs. B.? Unfortunately, the political side of things invested itself during the election of 2000. Certain people have never let it go - and the political infection of rec.boats took root. This, singularly, has been the primary reason for the deterioration of the group during the past 7-8 years, IMOH. The attempt to return to "boating" only discussions will never work, because rec.boats was never only about boating. It was an internet based comradely of people who shared a common root interest but enjoyed the discussion and humor of all subjects, very much like the social environment at the dock or marina. Like every other social group though, you gotta leave politics and religion out of it. If we all simply did that - this NG would be fine. Very well said! And it did need to be said. I'd further point out that those OT political threads encouraged increased participation by some very unhealthy elements. Look no further than the most prolific "contributors" over the last couple days... I think we can easily ID those who clearly don't understand the difference between having something interesting to say and feeling the need to say something. One single poster issued 57 posts over the last 2 days but said absolutely nothing. Sadly, the most prolific posters to rec.boats today also seem to be the most intellectually challenged. -- Skipper |
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JimH wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Wayne.B" wrote in message . .. On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:44:53 GMT, WaIIy wrote: One thing... I'm suprised that Harry is jabbing you in the ribs. Harry is suffering from some withdrawal symptoms and there are always a few who'd like to see him fall off the wagon. I'm hoping he'll continue to take it one day at a time and prove them wrong. I think this needs to be said. I've been a subscriber to rec.boats since 1995. For the most part it has been a very enjoyable experience. I've enjoyed the boating discussions, sea stories, tall tales, humor plus the more than occasional "Off Topic" discussions that amount to nothing but dock chat. Although I've never met most of the participants, the names are all like old friends. Many times the NG has provided entertainment that you just couldn't find anywhere else. Who can forget the famous bilge pump debates between Marcus and Mrs. B.? Unfortunately, the political side of things invested itself during the election of 2000. Certain people have never let it go - and the political infection of rec.boats took root. This, singularly, has been the primary reason for the deterioration of the group during the past 7-8 years, IMOH. The attempt to return to "boating" only discussions will never work, because rec.boats was never only about boating. It was an internet based comradely of people who shared a common root interest but enjoyed the discussion and humor of all subjects, very much like the social environment at the dock or marina. Like every other social group though, you gotta leave politics and religion out of it. If we all simply did that - this NG would be fine. Eisboch I agree.......to a point. There have been several political discussions here over the past several days that were perfectly civil. It can be done. However I generally agree that eventually discussions about politics and religion can and most likely will become heated. That is a universal truth. All I am trying to do is to get folks to see that it does not all have to be about boats.......leave out the personal attacks, flames and trolling and we will be fine, regardless if we talk about pigs, cameras, computers or sex offenders set free. And except for a few repeat offenders we have proven we can do it. So let's stop the netcopping. Let's ignore those who continue to fan the flames and personally attack. Let's not force topics to make sure they contain the word boat in them. Let's get back to being an interesting NG that can civilly discuss most every issue, boating related or not. OK? "Like every other social group though, you gotta leave politics and religion out of it. If we all simply did that - this NG would be fine." -- Reggie ************************************************** ********************* If you would like to make rec.boats an enjoyable place to discuss boating, please do not respond to the political and inflammatory off- topic posts and flames. ************************************************** ********************* |
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"Eisboch" wrote in message ... I think this needs to be said. I've been a subscriber to rec.boats since 1995. For the most part it has been a very enjoyable experience. I've enjoyed the boating discussions, sea stories, tall tales, humor plus the more than occasional "Off Topic" discussions that amount to nothing but dock chat. Although I've never met most of the participants, the names are all like old friends. Many times the NG has provided entertainment that you just couldn't find anywhere else. Who can forget the famous bilge pump debates between Marcus and Mrs. B.? Unfortunately, the political side of things invested itself during the election of 2000. Certain people have never let it go - and the political infection of rec.boats took root. This, singularly, has been the primary reason for the deterioration of the group during the past 7-8 years, IMOH. The attempt to return to "boating" only discussions will never work, because rec.boats was never only about boating. It was an internet based comradely of people who shared a common root interest but enjoyed the discussion and humor of all subjects, very much like the social environment at the dock or marina. Like every other social group though, you gotta leave politics and religion out of it. If we all simply did that - this NG would be fine. Eisboch Well said, Richard. I date back to early 1998 in this group, and I agree with your observations entirely. There is no question that politics is the poison that turned this forum into its ugly self and has caused so many terrific regulars to quietly (and some not so quietly) disappear. It's been very difficult in recent times for me to stick around. This place was crazier than a bag of hammers in the late 90's, but immensely fun. But once the politics of the 2000 general election took center stage, it's just never been the same. Like you say, there's just certain highly charged subjects that it's just not good common social sense to discuss in mixed company. The outcome of such banter is 100% predictable, and rarely pretty. |
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"RG" wrote in message news:aEjxf.5254$B93.5125@fed1read07... Well said, Richard. I date back to early 1998 in this group, ... (rest snipped) I just remembered who you are. Saw your boat pic over in the other NG. Russ, right? When I was first setting up the "Boats of rec.boats" web site, way back when, you sent you boat pic with a request for "Summer Wind" as the background music. I got a big kick out of doing it because I also found and posted the lyrics. Eisboch |
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"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "RG" wrote in message news:aEjxf.5254$B93.5125@fed1read07... Well said, Richard. I date back to early 1998 in this group, ... (rest snipped) I just remembered who you are. Saw your boat pic over in the other NG. Russ, right? Busted. |
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On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:21:38 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:
Serious unmoderated groups should be self-moderating. Eisboch ================== Indeed. Moderation in all things... :-) |
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On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:18:10 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:
Like every other social group though, you gotta leave politics and religion out of it. If we all simply did that - this NG would be fine. Excellent. No politics, no religion. Let's add it to the charter (the unwritten one of course). Can we all agree? |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:21:38 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: Serious unmoderated groups should be self-moderating. Eisboch ================== Indeed. Moderation in all things... Including moderation! Couldn't help myself. I've found the new tone of this ng to be a much friendlier place to hang out. Bryan |
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"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:44:53 GMT, WaIIy wrote: One thing... I'm suprised that Harry is jabbing you in the ribs. Harry is suffering from some withdrawal symptoms and there are always a few who'd like to see him fall off the wagon. I'm hoping he'll continue to take it one day at a time and prove them wrong. I think this needs to be said. I've been a subscriber to rec.boats since 1995. For the most part it has been a very enjoyable experience. I've enjoyed the boating discussions, sea stories, tall tales, humor plus the more than occasional "Off Topic" discussions that amount to nothing but dock chat. Although I've never met most of the participants, the names are all like old friends. Many times the NG has provided entertainment that you just couldn't find anywhere else. Who can forget the famous bilge pump debates between Marcus and Mrs. B.? Unfortunately, the political side of things invested itself during the election of 2000. Certain people have never let it go - and the political infection of rec.boats took root. This, singularly, has been the primary reason for the deterioration of the group during the past 7-8 years, IMOH. The attempt to return to "boating" only discussions will never work, because rec.boats was never only about boating. It was an internet based comradely of people who shared a common root interest but enjoyed the discussion and humor of all subjects, very much like the social environment at the dock or marina. Like every other social group though, you gotta leave politics and religion out of it. If we all simply did that - this NG would be fine. Eisboch Can I get a big amen to that, brothers and sisters. |
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JimH wrote: "Dan Krueger" wrote in message ink.net... wrote: JimH wrote: .................inconsistent. I was *officially* reprimanded by some folks here for posting a non political article about a current event. Everyone participating in the discussion offered reasonable comments and there were not flames. OK. Fair enough. This is a boating NG. I continue to read numerous posts/threads about cameras, photography, dogs, pigs, etc. (non boating). However, I read no reprimands about those posts. A bit confusing. Very inconsistent. Could someone please explain what the new and improved *rules* of this NG are? How about *do unto others as you would have them do unto you*? One of your problems, Jim, is that you preach to the choir, then don't heed your own advice. How about "practice what you preach", Kevin? Notice the clever use of those fancy quotation marks? I was thinking the exact same thing Dan. Kevin has flamed me several times today. "Do unto others........" How funny. Here we go again, Jim is doing his damnest to flame me. It starts with him calling me kevin, then goes on from there. Next he'll be lying about others, etc. |
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JimH wrote: wrote in message oups.com... JimH wrote: Gosh, could you post the official reprimand? Sure. From my thread titled "OT: Not political but it will make you mad..." 1. "The group has made a drastic turnaround, and will continue as long as we refuse to participate in the trolls." 2. "You'll probably find a lot more people interested in discussing sex crimes at: http://www.sexcriminals.com/forums/ " snip This forum is supposed to be about recreational boating. Not by the variety of posts I read here. But who cares, as long as there is no name calling and personal attacks. Stop this and you have accomplished something. Then quit name calling and personal attacking, Jim. Heck, even today someone who suggested a kinder and gentler "do unto others.." approach personally attacked me a couple of times. Where? |
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I see you have been "discussing" an electrical issue with Lon on the RV
group. A man of strong opinions. Butch "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... There are no rules, silly. It's an unmoderated group. Serious unmoderated groups should be self-moderating. Eisboch |
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"Butch Davis" wrote in message ink.net... I see you have been "discussing" an electrical issue with Lon on the RV group. A man of strong opinions. Butch Just offered my opinion which apparently is different than his. I've seen my share of electrical fires. He claims he never had one. :-) Eisboch |
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On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:42:17 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:
I've seen my share of electrical fires. He claims he never had one. :-) ============================= I've seen the after effects of a few on boats. Not pretty. |
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On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:18:10 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:
The attempt to return to "boating" only discussions will never work, because rec.boats was never only about boating. It was an internet based comradely of people who shared a common root interest but enjoyed the discussion and humor of all subjects, very much like the social environment at the dock or marina. The "marina/newsgroup analogy" has been used before, but its not the same animal. Usenet is set up like a newspaper (that's why people call Usenet machines "news-servers", and the reading programs "news-readers), as it has specific "sections", if you will. How would you like to read about finances in the sports pages of your newspaper? What if you had to wade through the classifieds, to find the weather? Wouldn't be much of a paper, would it. It is inappropriate, against Usenet etiquette, and rude to post off-topic in any group, especially when there is a group specific to the OT post...like politics. It seems things may have improved over recent months...I think Ill turn off my filters and kill file, and see what's up first hand. I too would love to see rec.boats as it is intended. __ "It's just about going fast...that's all..." http://home.columbus.rr.com/ckg/ |
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On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:11:17 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote: On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:18:10 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: Like every other social group though, you gotta leave politics and religion out of it. If we all simply did that - this NG would be fine. Excellent. No politics, no religion. Let's add it to the charter (the unwritten one of course). Can we all agree? I agree, and hope we could add 'personal attacks' to the list! -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
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RG wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... I think this needs to be said. I've been a subscriber to rec.boats since 1995. For the most part it has been a very enjoyable experience. I've enjoyed the boating discussions, sea stories, tall tales, humor plus the more than occasional "Off Topic" discussions that amount to nothing but dock chat. Although I've never met most of the participants, the names are all like old friends. Many times the NG has provided entertainment that you just couldn't find anywhere else. Who can forget the famous bilge pump debates between Marcus and Mrs. B.? Unfortunately, the political side of things invested itself during the election of 2000. Certain people have never let it go - and the political infection of rec.boats took root. This, singularly, has been the primary reason for the deterioration of the group during the past 7-8 years, IMOH. The attempt to return to "boating" only discussions will never work, because rec.boats was never only about boating. It was an internet based comradely of people who shared a common root interest but enjoyed the discussion and humor of all subjects, very much like the social environment at the dock or marina. Like every other social group though, you gotta leave politics and religion out of it. If we all simply did that - this NG would be fine. Eisboch Well said, Richard. I date back to early 1998 in this group, and I agree with your observations entirely. There is no question that politics is the poison that turned this forum into its ugly self and has caused so many terrific regulars to quietly (and some not so quietly) disappear. It's been very difficult in recent times for me to stick around. This place was crazier than a bag of hammers in the late 90's, but immensely fun. But once the politics of the 2000 general election took center stage, it's just never been the same. Like you say, there's just certain highly charged subjects that it's just not good common social sense to discuss in mixed company. The outcome of such banter is 100% predictable, and rarely pretty. When I was in high school a teacher once said, "The three topics to walk softly/avoid even with friends with were sex, politics and religion. Capt Jack R.. |
The *New* Rules of this NG have become..............
Don White wrote:
Dan Krueger wrote: How about "practice what you preach", Kevin? Notice the clever use of those fancy quotation marks? Who are you quoting? I REALLY hope you are trying to be funny and not stupid. Dan |
The *New* Rules of this NG have become..............
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The *New* Rules of this NG have become..............
On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 02:40:13 GMT, Dan Krueger
wrote: wrote: JimH wrote: "Dan Krueger" wrote in message thlink.net... wrote: JimH wrote: .................inconsistent. I was *officially* reprimanded by some folks here for posting a non political article about a current event. Everyone participating in the discussion offered reasonable comments and there were not flames. OK. Fair enough. This is a boating NG. I continue to read numerous posts/threads about cameras, photography, dogs, pigs, etc. (non boating). However, I read no reprimands about those posts. A bit confusing. Very inconsistent. Could someone please explain what the new and improved *rules* of this NG are? How about *do unto others as you would have them do unto you*? One of your problems, Jim, is that you preach to the choir, then don't heed your own advice. How about "practice what you preach", Kevin? Notice the clever use of those fancy quotation marks? I was thinking the exact same thing Dan. Kevin has flamed me several times today. "Do unto others........" How funny. Here we go again, Jim is doing his damnest to flame me. It starts with him calling me kevin, then goes on from there. Next he'll be lying about others, etc. "Others" choose to post their real name or a screen name. People respond to them, at times, by the name they use. You chose *Kevin Noble* and, if I have to do it for the third time, I can post a copy of that. I know, you are "borrowing" someone's name, right? Doesn't that seem really, really stupid by now, Kevin? Dan I sure hope bassie ignores that post. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
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