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On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:49:43 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:


I really don't want to get into a LINUX v. Windows debate, but I will say
that finding appropriate drivers for some newer peripherals is a lot
easier for Windows, and the application software for Windows tends to be
more professionally done.

I'm not looking for a debate. I'm just curious. I've never had a problem
with drivers, but I'll give you Windows is easier in that regard. Just
pop in the CD and off you go. With Linux, there can be a little
configuring necessary. As for the software, I think that's a little more
to each his own. Personally, I'm a lot more comfortable in the Linux
environment, and find Windows quite frustrating when I have to use it.

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Harry Krause wrote:
JohnH wrote:


God, I love liverwurst and onion and mayo sammiches. But not for
breakfast,
unless on toast.



What's your feeling about S.O.S., or, more politely, chipped beef on toast?

The first time I saw that stuff was during a visit to a buddy who was
attending Mizzou. I crashed overnight in his dorm room and in the
breakfast line the next morning, I saw this goop being shoveled onto
toast. I had to leave the chow line and go puke, just from the sight of
it. To this day, I cannot stand the sight or smell of it.


i can 'handle' liverwurst to the point of it does not bother me, altho i
know what is in it. the dogs LOVE it and we use it to hide their
medications when need be.

liver on the other hand, just the smell of it makes me gag. the thought
of liver and oinions brings back some very bad childhood memories of
'eat this because it is good for you'. yeah, i guess good in that
particular meal meant puking after eating.

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On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:06:20 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:


God, I love liverwurst and onion and mayo sammiches. But not for breakfast,
unless on toast.


What's your feeling about S.O.S., or, more politely, chipped beef on toast?

The first time I saw that stuff was during a visit to a buddy who was
attending Mizzou. I crashed overnight in his dorm room and in the
breakfast line the next morning, I saw this goop being shoveled onto
toast. I had to leave the chow line and go puke, just from the sight of
it. To this day, I cannot stand the sight or smell of it.


One cannot spend almost 30 years in the Army without developing an absolute
love for SOS. The military version is actually made with hamburger, not
'chipped beef' that comes in those little jars.

If it's properly made, it's great stuff. If not, it tastes like joint
compound with beef.

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

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On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:18:22 GMT, DownTime
wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:
JohnH wrote:


God, I love liverwurst and onion and mayo sammiches. But not for
breakfast,
unless on toast.



What's your feeling about S.O.S., or, more politely, chipped beef on toast?

The first time I saw that stuff was during a visit to a buddy who was
attending Mizzou. I crashed overnight in his dorm room and in the
breakfast line the next morning, I saw this goop being shoveled onto
toast. I had to leave the chow line and go puke, just from the sight of
it. To this day, I cannot stand the sight or smell of it.


i can 'handle' liverwurst to the point of it does not bother me, altho i
know what is in it. the dogs LOVE it and we use it to hide their
medications when need be.

liver on the other hand, just the smell of it makes me gag. the thought
of liver and oinions brings back some very bad childhood memories of
'eat this because it is good for you'. yeah, i guess good in that
particular meal meant puking after eating.

The American way of cooking liver is to fry the hell out of it, making it
as tough as shoe leather. Liver should not be overcooked, but should be a
little pink in the center. We have a restaurant in Springfield that serves
it with onions and bacon on top, I've now got them trained not to overcook
it. Yummy!

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

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JohnH wrote:


The American way of cooking liver is to fry the hell out of it, making it
as tough as shoe leather. Liver should not be overcooked, but should be a
little pink in the center. We have a restaurant in Springfield that serves
it with onions and bacon on top, I've now got them trained not to overcook
it. Yummy!


That brings back memories.
Since dad was a longshoreman who could be out in the cold all day doing
very physical work, our meals always catered to his times. In the
mornings, he'd get up early and cook porridge (either Quaker Oats or
Cream of Wheat) on the kitchen oil stove that just happened to heat our
old inner city flat and provide the hot water.
By the time we got up to eat that porridge was way overcooked and lumpy.
Same with lunch. He got home before us and the meal was waiting for
him. Any liver/steak etc was shoe leather by the time we had to eat it.
I was in my late teens before I discovered just how good steak *could*
taste.

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Jim,

The school library should have the software at a greatly reduced rate due to
negotiated discounts with Microsoft. We got Windows XP Pro and Office XP for
10.00 each through Indiana University. When I looked at some of the CAD
software it was pretty expensive but I think it was still a pretty good buy.

Fredo



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"FREDO" wrote in message
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If you wait, your kid can probably get Windows XP Professional through
the school for next to nothing.
My wife got it for $10.00 US 2 years ago.
Fredo


How so?

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True, I bought mine through Dell for around 1,000.00 and it has :

System Type: Dimension 8400
Ship Date: 2/23/2005
Dell IBU: Americas



Quantity Parts # Part Description

1 N6835 INSTRUCTION, DEVIATE FOR CHAS L5.5/L6
1 W8400 PROCESSOR, 80547, PENTIUM 4 PRESCOTT DT, 630, SKT-T,
MALE
0 149DF INFORMATION, PREPARATION MATERIAL, DEVIATION, PRECISION
WORKSTATION, INCREASE, #2
1 702EX INFORMATION, PREPARATION MATERIAL, DEVIATION, PRECISION
WORKSTATION, INCREASE, #1
1 T0185 KIT, KEYBOARD, MOUSE, 104, UNITED STATES, WIRELESS, NMB
2 G5451 DUAL IN-LINE MEMORY MODULE, 256, 400, 32X64, 8, 240,
1RX16
1 X2749 MODEM, V.92, DATA FAX, INTERNAL, DONNY, DELL AMERICAS
ORGANIZATION
1 K4562 CARD (CIRCUIT), MULTI-MEDIA, AUDIO, SB0413
1 J2427 DIGITAL VIDEO DISK DRIVE, 17G, 16X, I, 5.25" FORM
FACTOR, LITEON, CHASSIS 2001, V5
1 P7875 ASSEMBLY, DVD+/-RW, 16X, HALF HEIGHT, NEC CORPORATION,
CHASSIS 2001
1 P5288 CARD (CIRCUIT), GRAPHICS, 128, X300, SERVER ENHANCED,
MRMGA8, 2
1 U4931 DISPLAY, FLAT PANEL DISPLAY, 17, DUAL VOLTAGE, E173FPB,
MIDNIGHT GRAY, DELL AMERICAS ORGANIZATION
1 7J597 HARD DRIVE, 160GB, Serial ATA, 7.2K, 8MB, NATIVE COMMAND
QUEUEING, SEAGATE
1 T7166 KIT, SOFTWARE, WP-PRDCT-STE12, ENGLAND/ENGLISH, V2
1 H8412 KIT, SOFTWARE, OVERPACK, WXPHSP2, COMPACT DISKETTE
W/DOCUMENTATION, ENGLAND/ENGLISH
1 N8757 KIT, DOCUMENTATON ON FLOPPY DISK, SOFTWARE, POWERDVD,
5.3.1012


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JimH wrote:
I am planning to put together a gaming (and general use) computer for my
son
as a high school graduation gift.

Here are my specs so far:

MSI K8N Neo4/SLI motherboard (w/built in SoundBlaster Live chip)
Althion 64 3000+ CPU, Socket 939 version
2 GB DDR400 Corair Ram
256MB Nvidia GeForce 7800 GTX video card
Antec Performance TX640B Series Case
Plextor PX-716A dual layer DVD 16X
Maxtor 300GB DiamondMax hard drive
Viewsonic 17" Thinedge VP171B LCD flat panel monitor
Windows XP Professional OEM

He already has a decent keyboard, speakers and optical mouse. I will
also
add a DVD player so he can record copies of the DVD's he owns.

I can do this for around $2,000.

Any suggestions or comments?

Why? You can buy a computer off the shelf with as good or better
features for less money!!

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"FREDO" wrote in message
.. .
True, I bought mine through Dell for around 1,000.00 and it has :

System Type: Dimension 8400
Ship Date: 2/23/2005
Dell IBU: Americas



Quantity Parts # Part Description

1 N6835 INSTRUCTION, DEVIATE FOR CHAS L5.5/L6
1 W8400 PROCESSOR, 80547, PENTIUM 4 PRESCOTT DT, 630, SKT-T,
MALE
0 149DF INFORMATION, PREPARATION MATERIAL, DEVIATION, PRECISION
WORKSTATION, INCREASE, #2
1 702EX INFORMATION, PREPARATION MATERIAL, DEVIATION, PRECISION
WORKSTATION, INCREASE, #1
1 T0185 KIT, KEYBOARD, MOUSE, 104, UNITED STATES, WIRELESS, NMB
2 G5451 DUAL IN-LINE MEMORY MODULE, 256, 400, 32X64, 8, 240,
1RX16
1 X2749 MODEM, V.92, DATA FAX, INTERNAL, DONNY, DELL AMERICAS
ORGANIZATION
1 K4562 CARD (CIRCUIT), MULTI-MEDIA, AUDIO, SB0413
1 J2427 DIGITAL VIDEO DISK DRIVE, 17G, 16X, I, 5.25" FORM
FACTOR, LITEON, CHASSIS 2001, V5
1 P7875 ASSEMBLY, DVD+/-RW, 16X, HALF HEIGHT, NEC CORPORATION,
CHASSIS 2001
1 P5288 CARD (CIRCUIT), GRAPHICS, 128, X300, SERVER ENHANCED,
MRMGA8, 2
1 U4931 DISPLAY, FLAT PANEL DISPLAY, 17, DUAL VOLTAGE, E173FPB,
MIDNIGHT GRAY, DELL AMERICAS ORGANIZATION
1 7J597 HARD DRIVE, 160GB, Serial ATA, 7.2K, 8MB, NATIVE
COMMAND QUEUEING, SEAGATE
1 T7166 KIT, SOFTWARE, WP-PRDCT-STE12, ENGLAND/ENGLISH, V2
1 H8412 KIT, SOFTWARE, OVERPACK, WXPHSP2, COMPACT DISKETTE
W/DOCUMENTATION, ENGLAND/ENGLISH
1 N8757 KIT, DOCUMENTATON ON FLOPPY DISK, SOFTWARE, POWERDVD,
5.3.1012




JimH wrote:
I am planning to put together a gaming (and general use) computer for my
son
as a high school graduation gift.

Here are my specs so far:

MSI K8N Neo4/SLI motherboard (w/built in SoundBlaster Live chip)
Althion 64 3000+ CPU, Socket 939 version
2 GB DDR400 Corair Ram
256MB Nvidia GeForce 7800 GTX video card
Antec Performance TX640B Series Case
Plextor PX-716A dual layer DVD 16X
Maxtor 300GB DiamondMax hard drive
Viewsonic 17" Thinedge VP171B LCD flat panel monitor
Windows XP Professional OEM

He already has a decent keyboard, speakers and optical mouse. I will
also
add a DVD player so he can record copies of the DVD's he owns.

I can do this for around $2,000.

Any suggestions or comments?


Don't get me wrong......I like Dell computers. And I can buy a brand new
Dell for less than $500. But you are missing the point.

The point is that a comparable Dell would be almost $1,000 more than the one
I am planning to build, with mine being more powerful and offers
upgradeability.

Ask yourself this.............why do some folks buy a Ford Excursion for
$40,000 when they can buy a Ford Focus for $14,000?