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I am planning to put together a gaming (and general use) computer for my son
as a high school graduation gift. Here are my specs so far: MSI K8N Neo4/SLI motherboard (w/built in SoundBlaster Live chip) Althion 64 3000+ CPU, Socket 939 version 2 GB DDR400 Corair Ram 256MB Nvidia GeForce 7800 GTX video card Antec Performance TX640B Series Case Plextor PX-716A dual layer DVD 16X Maxtor 300GB DiamondMax hard drive Viewsonic 17" Thinedge VP171B LCD flat panel monitor Windows XP Professional OEM He already has a decent keyboard, speakers and optical mouse. I will also add a DVD player so he can record copies of the DVD's he owns. I can do this for around $2,000. Any suggestions or comments? |
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Yer monitor's way small ... as is the PS (400W) if you intend to add a
2nd 7800gtx at a later date (which is why SLI). I like my asus A8N-SLI with Seasonic S12 PS (600W, all the right connectors). Maybe I'll get a case for it one day. Here's a link ... http://www.slizone.com/object/slizone2_build.html ... and good luck with that. Ok, back to browsing for that new boat. |
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On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 17:56:31 -0500, " JimH" jimh_osudadATyahooDOT com
wrote: I am planning to put together a gaming (and general use) computer for my son as a high school graduation gift. Here are my specs so far: MSI K8N Neo4/SLI motherboard (w/built in SoundBlaster Live chip) Althion 64 3000+ CPU, Socket 939 version 2 GB DDR400 Corair Ram 256MB Nvidia GeForce 7800 GTX video card Antec Performance TX640B Series Case Plextor PX-716A dual layer DVD 16X Maxtor 300GB DiamondMax hard drive Viewsonic 17" Thinedge VP171B LCD flat panel monitor Windows XP Professional OEM He already has a decent keyboard, speakers and optical mouse. I will also add a DVD player so he can record copies of the DVD's he owns. I can do this for around $2,000. Any suggestions or comments? Isn't he going to college? -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes |
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"bowgus" wrote in message oups.com... Yer monitor's way small ... as is the PS (400W) if you intend to add a 2nd 7800gtx at a later date (which is why SLI). I like my asus A8N-SLI with Seasonic S12 PS (600W, all the right connectors). Maybe I'll get a case for it one day. Here's a link ... http://www.slizone.com/object/slizone2_build.html ... and good luck with that. Ok, back to browsing for that new boat. The case comes with a 400W ATX 12V 2.0 power supply with a PCI-E power plug and comes with variable speed cooling fans. It was highly rated (including the power supply) by a couple of PC gaming magazines and is more than enough power as I see it, although I will look into the ps you recommend. Regarding the monitor, a 17" is all he needs, especially considering it is a flat panel LCD. He can upgrade later to something bigger as I did want to stick to a budget (I am trying to keep it at $2,000). What are your thoughts on the motherboard, CPU and memory? |
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"JohnH" wrote in message ... On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 17:56:31 -0500, " JimH" jimh_osudadATyahooDOT com wrote: I am planning to put together a gaming (and general use) computer for my son as a high school graduation gift. Here are my specs so far: MSI K8N Neo4/SLI motherboard (w/built in SoundBlaster Live chip) Althion 64 3000+ CPU, Socket 939 version 2 GB DDR400 Corair Ram 256MB Nvidia GeForce 7800 GTX video card Antec Performance TX640B Series Case Plextor PX-716A dual layer DVD 16X Maxtor 300GB DiamondMax hard drive Viewsonic 17" Thinedge VP171B LCD flat panel monitor Windows XP Professional OEM He already has a decent keyboard, speakers and optical mouse. I will also add a DVD player so he can record copies of the DVD's he owns. I can do this for around $2,000. Any suggestions or comments? Isn't he going to college? -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes Ummm..........yes. Is studying all you did in college? ;-) |
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" JimH" jimh_osudadATyahooDOT com wrote in message ... "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 17:56:31 -0500, " JimH" jimh_osudadATyahooDOT com wrote: I am planning to put together a gaming (and general use) computer for my son as a high school graduation gift. Here are my specs so far: MSI K8N Neo4/SLI motherboard (w/built in SoundBlaster Live chip) Althion 64 3000+ CPU, Socket 939 version 2 GB DDR400 Corair Ram 256MB Nvidia GeForce 7800 GTX video card Antec Performance TX640B Series Case Plextor PX-716A dual layer DVD 16X Maxtor 300GB DiamondMax hard drive Viewsonic 17" Thinedge VP171B LCD flat panel monitor Windows XP Professional OEM He already has a decent keyboard, speakers and optical mouse. I will also add a DVD player so he can record copies of the DVD's he owns. I can do this for around $2,000. Any suggestions or comments? Isn't he going to college? -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes Ummm..........yes. Is studying all you did in college? ;-) BTW: It is nice to start with a powerful computer that can be easily upgraded as technology changes. I set a budget of $2,000 for this and it will make a nice father-son project putting it together. He will also be running some pretty sophisticated CAD programs on the computer so this system's power and graphics abilities will not go to waste just on gaming. Hey, we all need a little fun to break up the day, no matter what age we are. ;-) |
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On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:29:55 -0500, " JimH" jimh_osudadATyahooDOT com
wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 17:56:31 -0500, " JimH" jimh_osudadATyahooDOT com wrote: I am planning to put together a gaming (and general use) computer for my son as a high school graduation gift. Here are my specs so far: MSI K8N Neo4/SLI motherboard (w/built in SoundBlaster Live chip) Althion 64 3000+ CPU, Socket 939 version 2 GB DDR400 Corair Ram 256MB Nvidia GeForce 7800 GTX video card Antec Performance TX640B Series Case Plextor PX-716A dual layer DVD 16X Maxtor 300GB DiamondMax hard drive Viewsonic 17" Thinedge VP171B LCD flat panel monitor Windows XP Professional OEM He already has a decent keyboard, speakers and optical mouse. I will also add a DVD player so he can record copies of the DVD's he owns. I can do this for around $2,000. Any suggestions or comments? Isn't he going to college? -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes Ummm..........yes. Is studying all you did in college? ;-) I'd consider a laptop so he could take it to classes, the library, and the student center, all common places for studying. That seems to be the popular thing amongst the folks I know going to college. When I was in college, we didn't have calculators, let alone computers. And, since I was married, 28 years old, with one child, and the Army was paying my way and checking my grades every semester, yes. About all I did was study! -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes |
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"JohnH" wrote in message ... On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:29:55 -0500, " JimH" jimh_osudadATyahooDOT com wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message . .. On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 17:56:31 -0500, " JimH" jimh_osudadATyahooDOT com wrote: I am planning to put together a gaming (and general use) computer for my son as a high school graduation gift. Here are my specs so far: MSI K8N Neo4/SLI motherboard (w/built in SoundBlaster Live chip) Althion 64 3000+ CPU, Socket 939 version 2 GB DDR400 Corair Ram 256MB Nvidia GeForce 7800 GTX video card Antec Performance TX640B Series Case Plextor PX-716A dual layer DVD 16X Maxtor 300GB DiamondMax hard drive Viewsonic 17" Thinedge VP171B LCD flat panel monitor Windows XP Professional OEM He already has a decent keyboard, speakers and optical mouse. I will also add a DVD player so he can record copies of the DVD's he owns. I can do this for around $2,000. Any suggestions or comments? Isn't he going to college? -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes Ummm..........yes. Is studying all you did in college? ;-) I'd consider a laptop so he could take it to classes, the library, and the student center, all common places for studying. That seems to be the popular thing amongst the folks I know going to college. When I was in college, we didn't have calculators, let alone computers. And, since I was married, 28 years old, with one child, and the Army was paying my way and checking my grades every semester, yes. About all I did was study! -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes He does not want a laptop. My daughter (presently a junior at Ohio State) did not want one either nor found any use for one to date for her college classes. Laptops run hot and do not offer the same capabilities as a desktop unit, nor the expandability or ability to upgrade. |
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" JimH" jimh_osudadATyahooDOT com wrote in message . .. I am planning to put together a gaming (and general use) computer for my son as a high school graduation gift. Here are my specs so far: MSI K8N Neo4/SLI motherboard (w/built in SoundBlaster Live chip) Althion 64 3000+ CPU, Socket 939 version 2 GB DDR400 Corair Ram 256MB Nvidia GeForce 7800 GTX video card Antec Performance TX640B Series Case Plextor PX-716A dual layer DVD 16X Maxtor 300GB DiamondMax hard drive Viewsonic 17" Thinedge VP171B LCD flat panel monitor Windows XP Professional OEM He already has a decent keyboard, speakers and optical mouse. I will also add a DVD player so he can record copies of the DVD's he owns. I can do this for around $2,000. Any suggestions or comments? Pirate windows XP and save yourself the bucks... hey seriously - when you get the rig put together, before loading windows, get ubuntu linux (free download) http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ and just try it out for a day. Ubuntu project is bankrolled by this millionaire kid(well early 30s) that is really something else. It will work with all the hardware (get the 64 bit version) and it will just fly!!! Just try it to see how you like it. I have it at work and never went back to windows. It's amazing! I will be doing the same at home soon... |
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" JimH" jimh_osudadATyahooDOT com wrote in message . .. I am planning to put together a gaming (and general use) computer for my son as a high school graduation gift. Here are my specs so far: MSI K8N Neo4/SLI motherboard (w/built in SoundBlaster Live chip) Althion 64 3000+ CPU, Socket 939 version 2 GB DDR400 Corair Ram 256MB Nvidia GeForce 7800 GTX video card Antec Performance TX640B Series Case Plextor PX-716A dual layer DVD 16X Maxtor 300GB DiamondMax hard drive Viewsonic 17" Thinedge VP171B LCD flat panel monitor Windows XP Professional OEM He already has a decent keyboard, speakers and optical mouse. I will also add a DVD player so he can record copies of the DVD's he owns. I can do this for around $2,000. Any suggestions or comments? Oh one more thing Jim - the MSI board is very nice - but there is one issue with it that I hate. The chipset heatsink has a fan on it. One of my fan's got a dust bunny trapped in there and it overheated and it killed the mobo. I would suggest an abit board without a fan, but with a larger heat sink on the chipset. (on the picture its the little fan next to the cpu)... something to think about... |
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" JimH" jimh_osudadATyahooDOT com wrote in message I am planning to put together a gaming (and general use) computer for my son as a high school graduation gift. Here are my specs so far: Any suggestions or comments? If he's seriously into gaming, and is into his computers at all, he probably has his own ideas and preferences for component specs. I have one of those in the family (college soph son, comp eng major, serious comp geek and gamer). He specs his own machines, thank you very much, and I wouldn't dream of interfering. |
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Go with PC4200 DDR2 memory I think it runs at 533 not 400.
" JimH" jimh_osudadATyahooDOT com wrote in message . .. "bowgus" wrote in message oups.com... Yer monitor's way small ... as is the PS (400W) if you intend to add a 2nd 7800gtx at a later date (which is why SLI). I like my asus A8N-SLI with Seasonic S12 PS (600W, all the right connectors). Maybe I'll get a case for it one day. Here's a link ... http://www.slizone.com/object/slizone2_build.html ... and good luck with that. Ok, back to browsing for that new boat. The case comes with a 400W ATX 12V 2.0 power supply with a PCI-E power plug and comes with variable speed cooling fans. It was highly rated (including the power supply) by a couple of PC gaming magazines and is more than enough power as I see it, although I will look into the ps you recommend. Regarding the monitor, a 17" is all he needs, especially considering it is a flat panel LCD. He can upgrade later to something bigger as I did want to stick to a budget (I am trying to keep it at $2,000). What are your thoughts on the motherboard, CPU and memory? |
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If you wait, your kid can probably get Windows XP Professional through the
school for next to nothing. My wife got it for $10.00 US 2 years ago. Fredo "Dan J.S." wrote in message ... " JimH" jimh_osudadATyahooDOT com wrote in message . .. I am planning to put together a gaming (and general use) computer for my son as a high school graduation gift. Here are my specs so far: MSI K8N Neo4/SLI motherboard (w/built in SoundBlaster Live chip) Althion 64 3000+ CPU, Socket 939 version 2 GB DDR400 Corair Ram 256MB Nvidia GeForce 7800 GTX video card Antec Performance TX640B Series Case Plextor PX-716A dual layer DVD 16X Maxtor 300GB DiamondMax hard drive Viewsonic 17" Thinedge VP171B LCD flat panel monitor Windows XP Professional OEM He already has a decent keyboard, speakers and optical mouse. I will also add a DVD player so he can record copies of the DVD's he owns. I can do this for around $2,000. Any suggestions or comments? Pirate windows XP and save yourself the bucks... hey seriously - when you get the rig put together, before loading windows, get ubuntu linux (free download) http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ and just try it out for a day. Ubuntu project is bankrolled by this millionaire kid(well early 30s) that is really something else. It will work with all the hardware (get the 64 bit version) and it will just fly!!! Just try it to see how you like it. I have it at work and never went back to windows. It's amazing! I will be doing the same at home soon... |
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"FREDO" wrote in message .. . If you wait, your kid can probably get Windows XP Professional through the school for next to nothing. My wife got it for $10.00 US 2 years ago. Fredo How so? |
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On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:08:25 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote: On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:51:29 -0500, thunder wrote: On Mon, 09 Jan 2006 17:56:31 -0500, JimH wrote: Here are my specs so far: MSI K8N Neo4/SLI motherboard (w/built in SoundBlaster Live chip) Althion 64 3000+ CPU, Socket 939 version 2 GB DDR400 Corair Ram 256MB Nvidia GeForce 7800 GTX video card Antec Performance TX640B Series Case Plextor PX-716A dual layer DVD 16X Maxtor 300GB DiamondMax hard drive Viewsonic 17" Thinedge VP171B LCD flat panel monitor Windows XP Professional OEM Any suggestions or comments? I like Maxtor drives, but you are aware that they were just purchased by Seagate. I'm also assuming it's a SATA drive. Corsair is good memory, but be aware that matching memory, and timings, to a motherboard is becoming a pain. You may want to look here, if you haven't already. http://www.corsairmemory.com/corsair...or_search.html I'd also point out that Windows and 64 bit computing can be somewhat problematic. http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/article/1795/ http://www.3dvelocity.com/articles/w...64softlist.htm FWIW, I've been using a true 64 bit system, Debian Linux, for over a year without *any* problems. You might want to consider coming over to the dark side. ;-) are you his father? jim - i am your father.... Tom, have you *already* started on the pills today? -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes |
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"John Gaquin" wrote in message ... " JimH" jimh_osudadATyahooDOT com wrote in message I am planning to put together a gaming (and general use) computer for my son as a high school graduation gift. Here are my specs so far: Any suggestions or comments? If he's seriously into gaming, and is into his computers at all, he probably has his own ideas and preferences for component specs. Actually no. He is relying on me. |
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"thunder" wrote in message ... On Mon, 09 Jan 2006 17:56:31 -0500, JimH wrote: Here are my specs so far: MSI K8N Neo4/SLI motherboard (w/built in SoundBlaster Live chip) Althion 64 3000+ CPU, Socket 939 version 2 GB DDR400 Corair Ram 256MB Nvidia GeForce 7800 GTX video card Antec Performance TX640B Series Case Plextor PX-716A dual layer DVD 16X Maxtor 300GB DiamondMax hard drive Viewsonic 17" Thinedge VP171B LCD flat panel monitor Windows XP Professional OEM Any suggestions or comments? I like Maxtor drives, but you are aware that they were just purchased by Seagate. I'm also assuming it's a SATA drive. Corsair is good memory, but be aware that matching memory, and timings, to a motherboard is becoming a pain. You may want to look here, if you haven't already. http://www.corsairmemory.com/corsair...or_search.html I'd also point out that Windows and 64 bit computing can be somewhat problematic. http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/article/1795/ http://www.3dvelocity.com/articles/w...64softlist.htm FWIW, I've been using a true 64 bit system, Debian Linux, for over a year without *any* problems. You might want to consider coming over to the dark side. ;-) Thanks, will look into the issues you brought up. |
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On Mon, 09 Jan 2006 17:56:31 -0500, JimH wrote:
Here are my specs so far: MSI K8N Neo4/SLI motherboard (w/built in SoundBlaster Live chip) Althion 64 3000+ CPU, Socket 939 version 2 GB DDR400 Corair Ram 256MB Nvidia GeForce 7800 GTX video card Antec Performance TX640B Series Case Plextor PX-716A dual layer DVD 16X Maxtor 300GB DiamondMax hard drive Viewsonic 17" Thinedge VP171B LCD flat panel monitor Windows XP Professional OEM Any suggestions or comments? I like Maxtor drives, but you are aware that they were just purchased by Seagate. I'm also assuming it's a SATA drive. Corsair is good memory, but be aware that matching memory, and timings, to a motherboard is becoming a pain. You may want to look here, if you haven't already. http://www.corsairmemory.com/corsair...or_search.html I'd also point out that Windows and 64 bit computing can be somewhat problematic. http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/article/1795/ http://www.3dvelocity.com/articles/w...64softlist.htm FWIW, I've been using a true 64 bit system, Debian Linux, for over a year without *any* problems. You might want to consider coming over to the dark side. ;-) |
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JimH wrote: I am planning to put together a gaming (and general use) computer for my son as a high school graduation gift. Here are my specs so far: MSI K8N Neo4/SLI motherboard (w/built in SoundBlaster Live chip) Althion 64 3000+ CPU, Socket 939 version 2 GB DDR400 Corair Ram 256MB Nvidia GeForce 7800 GTX video card Antec Performance TX640B Series Case Plextor PX-716A dual layer DVD 16X Maxtor 300GB DiamondMax hard drive Viewsonic 17" Thinedge VP171B LCD flat panel monitor Windows XP Professional OEM He already has a decent keyboard, speakers and optical mouse. I will also add a DVD player so he can record copies of the DVD's he owns. I can do this for around $2,000. Any suggestions or comments? Why? You can buy a computer off the shelf with as good or better features for less money!! |
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JimH wrote: "FREDO" wrote in message .. . If you wait, your kid can probably get Windows XP Professional through the school for next to nothing. My wife got it for $10.00 US 2 years ago. Fredo How so? Educational package. |
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On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:41:57 -0500, " JimH" jimh_osudadATyahooDOT com
wrote: "FREDO" wrote in message . .. If you wait, your kid can probably get Windows XP Professional through the school for next to nothing. My wife got it for $10.00 US 2 years ago. Fredo How so? Jim, try calling the school bookstore. Also, Computer Discount Warehouse gives discounts to students and teachers. Don't know what they require as proof for students. They just took my word for being a teacher. -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes |
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"JohnH" wrote in message ... On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:41:57 -0500, " JimH" jimh_osudadATyahooDOT com wrote: "FREDO" wrote in message ... If you wait, your kid can probably get Windows XP Professional through the school for next to nothing. My wife got it for $10.00 US 2 years ago. Fredo How so? Jim, try calling the school bookstore. Also, Computer Discount Warehouse gives discounts to students and teachers. Don't know what they require as proof for students. They just took my word for being a teacher. -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes I will have my daughter at Ohio State give it a try. Thanks. |
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"JohnH" wrote in message ... On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:41:57 -0500, " JimH" jimh_osudadATyahooDOT com wrote: "FREDO" wrote in message ... If you wait, your kid can probably get Windows XP Professional through the school for next to nothing. My wife got it for $10.00 US 2 years ago. Fredo How so? Jim, try calling the school bookstore. Also, Computer Discount Warehouse gives discounts to students and teachers. Don't know what they require as proof for students. They just took my word for being a teacher. -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes BTW: Did you get my email? |
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On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:31:18 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:
I dunno, I've been messing around with LINUX for a few months, and I'm not that impressed with it on the desktop. What don't you like about it? Are you using KDE or Gnome? |
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JohnH wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:41:57 -0500, " JimH" jimh_osudadATyahooDOT com wrote: "FREDO" wrote in message ... If you wait, your kid can probably get Windows XP Professional through the school for next to nothing. My wife got it for $10.00 US 2 years ago. Fredo How so? Jim, try calling the school bookstore. Also, Computer Discount Warehouse gives discounts to students and teachers. Don't know what they require as proof for students. They just took my word for being a teacher. Normally your kid logs on under his school id and password and it redirects you to the computer/software store. -- Reggie ************************************************** ********************* If you would like to make rec.boats an enjoyable place to discuss boating, please do not respond to the political and inflammatory off- topic posts and flames. ************************************************** ********************* |
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On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:05:24 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote: On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:42:37 -0500, JohnH wrote: On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:08:25 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:51:29 -0500, thunder wrote: On Mon, 09 Jan 2006 17:56:31 -0500, JimH wrote: Here are my specs so far: MSI K8N Neo4/SLI motherboard (w/built in SoundBlaster Live chip) Althion 64 3000+ CPU, Socket 939 version 2 GB DDR400 Corair Ram 256MB Nvidia GeForce 7800 GTX video card Antec Performance TX640B Series Case Plextor PX-716A dual layer DVD 16X Maxtor 300GB DiamondMax hard drive Viewsonic 17" Thinedge VP171B LCD flat panel monitor Windows XP Professional OEM Any suggestions or comments? I like Maxtor drives, but you are aware that they were just purchased by Seagate. I'm also assuming it's a SATA drive. Corsair is good memory, but be aware that matching memory, and timings, to a motherboard is becoming a pain. You may want to look here, if you haven't already. http://www.corsairmemory.com/corsair...or_search.html I'd also point out that Windows and 64 bit computing can be somewhat problematic. http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/article/1795/ http://www.3dvelocity.com/articles/w...64softlist.htm FWIW, I've been using a true 64 bit system, Debian Linux, for over a year without *any* problems. You might want to consider coming over to the dark side. ;-) are you his father? jim - i am your father.... Tom, have you *already* started on the pills today? what do you mean - already... mmmmmmmmmagicalmysterypillsmmmmmmmmmmm and now, im going to make a sandwich for breakfast. because i can. im in the mood for liverwurst, onion and cheddar cheese. i wish i had cold pizza - i like cold pizza - cold sausage pizza. cold cheese pizza is good too. cold sausage pizza is better. or lasagna - cold lasagna is really good too.... I like peppermint - oh oh wintergreen lifesavers... did you ever wonder why m and m candy all taste alike although they are all different colors...i mean, you would think that the red ones would be like peppermint, the dark green ones wintergreen, the blue ones should taste like blueberries and the light green ones should taste like...hmmmm - monkey puke...they look like monkey puke they should taste like monkey puke. im going to go make a sandwich now... God, I love liverwurst and onion and mayo sammiches. But not for breakfast, unless on toast. -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes |
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" JimH" jimh_osudadATyahooDOT com wrote in message ... "Reggie Smithers" wrote in message ... wrote: JimH wrote: I am planning to put together a gaming (and general use) computer for my son as a high school graduation gift. Here are my specs so far: MSI K8N Neo4/SLI motherboard (w/built in SoundBlaster Live chip) Althion 64 3000+ CPU, Socket 939 version 2 GB DDR400 Corair Ram 256MB Nvidia GeForce 7800 GTX video card Antec Performance TX640B Series Case Plextor PX-716A dual layer DVD 16X Maxtor 300GB DiamondMax hard drive Viewsonic 17" Thinedge VP171B LCD flat panel monitor Windows XP Professional OEM He already has a decent keyboard, speakers and optical mouse. I will also add a DVD player so he can record copies of the DVD's he owns. I can do this for around $2,000. Any suggestions or comments? Why? You can buy a computer off the shelf with as good or better features for less money!! I am wondering the same thing. I know you can specify your own brand name on all of the components if you build it yourself, but is there really a big difference (in both cost and quality) between building your own and ordering it from Dell? I spec'd out a gaming Dell machine that ended up at $2,5000. When comparing hardware, mine was far superior. Try purchasing a retail computer with comparable hardware for under $2,500. You cannot. Oops, check that Dell price.......with the LCD monitor it is more like $2,800 vs. $1,900 (reduced because of reportedly being able to get the Windows XP at a student discount) for my rig. Consider upgradeability also...........limited options with the Dell. The motherboard and CPU I spec'd offers tremendous opportunities for upgrade. Lastly the AMD is a faster gaming CPU than the Intel Pentium Dell uses. |
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On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:13:22 -0500, " JimH" jimh_osudadATyahooDOT com
wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:41:57 -0500, " JimH" jimh_osudadATyahooDOT com wrote: "FREDO" wrote in message m... If you wait, your kid can probably get Windows XP Professional through the school for next to nothing. My wife got it for $10.00 US 2 years ago. Fredo How so? Jim, try calling the school bookstore. Also, Computer Discount Warehouse gives discounts to students and teachers. Don't know what they require as proof for students. They just took my word for being a teacher. -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes BTW: Did you get my email? Yeah, I think. I answered one yesterday with the words '...officially off...' therein. Have you sent another since? -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes |
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On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:49:43 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:
I really don't want to get into a LINUX v. Windows debate, but I will say that finding appropriate drivers for some newer peripherals is a lot easier for Windows, and the application software for Windows tends to be more professionally done. I'm not looking for a debate. I'm just curious. I've never had a problem with drivers, but I'll give you Windows is easier in that regard. Just pop in the CD and off you go. With Linux, there can be a little configuring necessary. As for the software, I think that's a little more to each his own. Personally, I'm a lot more comfortable in the Linux environment, and find Windows quite frustrating when I have to use it. |
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Harry Krause wrote:
JohnH wrote: God, I love liverwurst and onion and mayo sammiches. But not for breakfast, unless on toast. What's your feeling about S.O.S., or, more politely, chipped beef on toast? The first time I saw that stuff was during a visit to a buddy who was attending Mizzou. I crashed overnight in his dorm room and in the breakfast line the next morning, I saw this goop being shoveled onto toast. I had to leave the chow line and go puke, just from the sight of it. To this day, I cannot stand the sight or smell of it. i can 'handle' liverwurst to the point of it does not bother me, altho i know what is in it. the dogs LOVE it and we use it to hide their medications when need be. liver on the other hand, just the smell of it makes me gag. the thought of liver and oinions brings back some very bad childhood memories of 'eat this because it is good for you'. yeah, i guess good in that particular meal meant puking after eating. |
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On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:06:20 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: JohnH wrote: God, I love liverwurst and onion and mayo sammiches. But not for breakfast, unless on toast. What's your feeling about S.O.S., or, more politely, chipped beef on toast? The first time I saw that stuff was during a visit to a buddy who was attending Mizzou. I crashed overnight in his dorm room and in the breakfast line the next morning, I saw this goop being shoveled onto toast. I had to leave the chow line and go puke, just from the sight of it. To this day, I cannot stand the sight or smell of it. One cannot spend almost 30 years in the Army without developing an absolute love for SOS. The military version is actually made with hamburger, not 'chipped beef' that comes in those little jars. If it's properly made, it's great stuff. If not, it tastes like joint compound with beef. -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes |
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On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:18:22 GMT, DownTime
wrote: Harry Krause wrote: JohnH wrote: God, I love liverwurst and onion and mayo sammiches. But not for breakfast, unless on toast. What's your feeling about S.O.S., or, more politely, chipped beef on toast? The first time I saw that stuff was during a visit to a buddy who was attending Mizzou. I crashed overnight in his dorm room and in the breakfast line the next morning, I saw this goop being shoveled onto toast. I had to leave the chow line and go puke, just from the sight of it. To this day, I cannot stand the sight or smell of it. i can 'handle' liverwurst to the point of it does not bother me, altho i know what is in it. the dogs LOVE it and we use it to hide their medications when need be. liver on the other hand, just the smell of it makes me gag. the thought of liver and oinions brings back some very bad childhood memories of 'eat this because it is good for you'. yeah, i guess good in that particular meal meant puking after eating. The American way of cooking liver is to fry the hell out of it, making it as tough as shoe leather. Liver should not be overcooked, but should be a little pink in the center. We have a restaurant in Springfield that serves it with onions and bacon on top, I've now got them trained not to overcook it. Yummy! -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes |
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JohnH wrote:
The American way of cooking liver is to fry the hell out of it, making it as tough as shoe leather. Liver should not be overcooked, but should be a little pink in the center. We have a restaurant in Springfield that serves it with onions and bacon on top, I've now got them trained not to overcook it. Yummy! That brings back memories. Since dad was a longshoreman who could be out in the cold all day doing very physical work, our meals always catered to his times. In the mornings, he'd get up early and cook porridge (either Quaker Oats or Cream of Wheat) on the kitchen oil stove that just happened to heat our old inner city flat and provide the hot water. By the time we got up to eat that porridge was way overcooked and lumpy. Same with lunch. He got home before us and the meal was waiting for him. Any liver/steak etc was shoe leather by the time we had to eat it. I was in my late teens before I discovered just how good steak *could* taste. |
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The school library should have the software at a greatly reduced rate due to negotiated discounts with Microsoft. We got Windows XP Pro and Office XP for 10.00 each through Indiana University. When I looked at some of the CAD software it was pretty expensive but I think it was still a pretty good buy. Fredo " JimH" jimh_osudadATyahooDOT com wrote in message ... "FREDO" wrote in message .. . If you wait, your kid can probably get Windows XP Professional through the school for next to nothing. My wife got it for $10.00 US 2 years ago. Fredo How so? |
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True, I bought mine through Dell for around 1,000.00 and it has :
System Type: Dimension 8400 Ship Date: 2/23/2005 Dell IBU: Americas Quantity Parts # Part Description 1 N6835 INSTRUCTION, DEVIATE FOR CHAS L5.5/L6 1 W8400 PROCESSOR, 80547, PENTIUM 4 PRESCOTT DT, 630, SKT-T, MALE 0 149DF INFORMATION, PREPARATION MATERIAL, DEVIATION, PRECISION WORKSTATION, INCREASE, #2 1 702EX INFORMATION, PREPARATION MATERIAL, DEVIATION, PRECISION WORKSTATION, INCREASE, #1 1 T0185 KIT, KEYBOARD, MOUSE, 104, UNITED STATES, WIRELESS, NMB 2 G5451 DUAL IN-LINE MEMORY MODULE, 256, 400, 32X64, 8, 240, 1RX16 1 X2749 MODEM, V.92, DATA FAX, INTERNAL, DONNY, DELL AMERICAS ORGANIZATION 1 K4562 CARD (CIRCUIT), MULTI-MEDIA, AUDIO, SB0413 1 J2427 DIGITAL VIDEO DISK DRIVE, 17G, 16X, I, 5.25" FORM FACTOR, LITEON, CHASSIS 2001, V5 1 P7875 ASSEMBLY, DVD+/-RW, 16X, HALF HEIGHT, NEC CORPORATION, CHASSIS 2001 1 P5288 CARD (CIRCUIT), GRAPHICS, 128, X300, SERVER ENHANCED, MRMGA8, 2 1 U4931 DISPLAY, FLAT PANEL DISPLAY, 17, DUAL VOLTAGE, E173FPB, MIDNIGHT GRAY, DELL AMERICAS ORGANIZATION 1 7J597 HARD DRIVE, 160GB, Serial ATA, 7.2K, 8MB, NATIVE COMMAND QUEUEING, SEAGATE 1 T7166 KIT, SOFTWARE, WP-PRDCT-STE12, ENGLAND/ENGLISH, V2 1 H8412 KIT, SOFTWARE, OVERPACK, WXPHSP2, COMPACT DISKETTE W/DOCUMENTATION, ENGLAND/ENGLISH 1 N8757 KIT, DOCUMENTATON ON FLOPPY DISK, SOFTWARE, POWERDVD, 5.3.1012 wrote in message ups.com... JimH wrote: I am planning to put together a gaming (and general use) computer for my son as a high school graduation gift. Here are my specs so far: MSI K8N Neo4/SLI motherboard (w/built in SoundBlaster Live chip) Althion 64 3000+ CPU, Socket 939 version 2 GB DDR400 Corair Ram 256MB Nvidia GeForce 7800 GTX video card Antec Performance TX640B Series Case Plextor PX-716A dual layer DVD 16X Maxtor 300GB DiamondMax hard drive Viewsonic 17" Thinedge VP171B LCD flat panel monitor Windows XP Professional OEM He already has a decent keyboard, speakers and optical mouse. I will also add a DVD player so he can record copies of the DVD's he owns. I can do this for around $2,000. Any suggestions or comments? Why? You can buy a computer off the shelf with as good or better features for less money!! |
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"FREDO" wrote in message .. . True, I bought mine through Dell for around 1,000.00 and it has : System Type: Dimension 8400 Ship Date: 2/23/2005 Dell IBU: Americas Quantity Parts # Part Description 1 N6835 INSTRUCTION, DEVIATE FOR CHAS L5.5/L6 1 W8400 PROCESSOR, 80547, PENTIUM 4 PRESCOTT DT, 630, SKT-T, MALE 0 149DF INFORMATION, PREPARATION MATERIAL, DEVIATION, PRECISION WORKSTATION, INCREASE, #2 1 702EX INFORMATION, PREPARATION MATERIAL, DEVIATION, PRECISION WORKSTATION, INCREASE, #1 1 T0185 KIT, KEYBOARD, MOUSE, 104, UNITED STATES, WIRELESS, NMB 2 G5451 DUAL IN-LINE MEMORY MODULE, 256, 400, 32X64, 8, 240, 1RX16 1 X2749 MODEM, V.92, DATA FAX, INTERNAL, DONNY, DELL AMERICAS ORGANIZATION 1 K4562 CARD (CIRCUIT), MULTI-MEDIA, AUDIO, SB0413 1 J2427 DIGITAL VIDEO DISK DRIVE, 17G, 16X, I, 5.25" FORM FACTOR, LITEON, CHASSIS 2001, V5 1 P7875 ASSEMBLY, DVD+/-RW, 16X, HALF HEIGHT, NEC CORPORATION, CHASSIS 2001 1 P5288 CARD (CIRCUIT), GRAPHICS, 128, X300, SERVER ENHANCED, MRMGA8, 2 1 U4931 DISPLAY, FLAT PANEL DISPLAY, 17, DUAL VOLTAGE, E173FPB, MIDNIGHT GRAY, DELL AMERICAS ORGANIZATION 1 7J597 HARD DRIVE, 160GB, Serial ATA, 7.2K, 8MB, NATIVE COMMAND QUEUEING, SEAGATE 1 T7166 KIT, SOFTWARE, WP-PRDCT-STE12, ENGLAND/ENGLISH, V2 1 H8412 KIT, SOFTWARE, OVERPACK, WXPHSP2, COMPACT DISKETTE W/DOCUMENTATION, ENGLAND/ENGLISH 1 N8757 KIT, DOCUMENTATON ON FLOPPY DISK, SOFTWARE, POWERDVD, 5.3.1012 JimH wrote: I am planning to put together a gaming (and general use) computer for my son as a high school graduation gift. Here are my specs so far: MSI K8N Neo4/SLI motherboard (w/built in SoundBlaster Live chip) Althion 64 3000+ CPU, Socket 939 version 2 GB DDR400 Corair Ram 256MB Nvidia GeForce 7800 GTX video card Antec Performance TX640B Series Case Plextor PX-716A dual layer DVD 16X Maxtor 300GB DiamondMax hard drive Viewsonic 17" Thinedge VP171B LCD flat panel monitor Windows XP Professional OEM He already has a decent keyboard, speakers and optical mouse. I will also add a DVD player so he can record copies of the DVD's he owns. I can do this for around $2,000. Any suggestions or comments? Don't get me wrong......I like Dell computers. And I can buy a brand new Dell for less than $500. But you are missing the point. The point is that a comparable Dell would be almost $1,000 more than the one I am planning to build, with mine being more powerful and offers upgradeability. Ask yourself this.............why do some folks buy a Ford Excursion for $40,000 when they can buy a Ford Focus for $14,000? |
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