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I would gravitate toward a normal double sea kayak.
8,000 year old technology and nothing but a paddle to break. You will have two anyway and i would carry a spare. Thats just me. Alex http://pages.ivillage.com/mcgruer |
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I would gravitate toward a normal double sea kayak. 8,000 year old technology and nothing but a paddle to break. You will have two anyway and i would carry a spare. Thats just me. Alex http://pages.ivillage.com/mcgruer Two words: "Divorce boat"! ( This coming from a long time Topo-Duo enthousiast: http://kayaker.nl/niels-35.jpg ) -- Wilko van den Bergh wilko(a t)dse(d o t)nl Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe ---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.--- http://wilko.webzone.ru/ |
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Wilko wrote: Two words: "Divorce boat"! Good point! Rebecca Lightning |
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ROFL Wilko! I've been coining that term for years! Did not know it worked
accross the pond as well, well actually aren't you accross several ponds? "divorce boat" I thought I invented it, better check with the LOC "Wilko" wrote in message ... wrote: I would gravitate toward a normal double sea kayak. 8,000 year old technology and nothing but a paddle to break. You will have two anyway and i would carry a spare. Thats just me. Alex http://pages.ivillage.com/mcgruer Two words: "Divorce boat"! ( This coming from a long time Topo-Duo enthousiast: http://kayaker.nl/niels-35.jpg ) -- Wilko van den Bergh wilko(a t)dse(d o t)nl Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe ---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.--- http://wilko.webzone.ru/ |
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I'v Heard the term here in Newfoundland Canada as well.
They are looking at a variation of a double canoe thingy and have cycled at length together. They should be fine in a double. I didn't sit that damned bar exam for nothing. Alex |
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Grip wrote:
ROFL Wilko! I've been coining that term for years! Did not know it worked accross the pond as well, well actually aren't you accross several ponds? "divorce boat" I thought I invented it, better check with the LOC Hey Grip, where did you think I picked that term up? While paddling on your side of the big pond, of course! :-) (The same thing goes for expressions like "deer in the headlights look" etc.They don't teach that during Dutch highschool English lessons.) Granted, I've paddled with a few OC-2 couples that worked together splendidly, and I was pretty content with my own Topo-Duo partner Niels, but I've seen many more unhappy couples in tandem boats. One nice example is a Czech couple who used to paddle a C-2 for many years. They used to fight so much that one of them tended to stop paddling completely, and invariably they would get in trouble then. After flipping and swimming a particular class III rapid for the second time, (carrying back up every time) they came down the third time, arguing and bickering so much that they both forgot to paddle at all. They made it all the way down right side up... :-) Wilko -- Wilko van den Bergh wilko(a t)dse(d o t)nl Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe ---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.--- http://kayaker.nl/ |
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Melissa wrote:
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Hi Alex, On 9 Jan 2006 18:45:27 -0800, you wrote: I didn't sit that damned bar exam for nothing. So you can mix yourself a nice drink and endure just about anything? ;-) - -- Melissa ROFL! I was already wondering for a long time what the connection between lawyers and bars could be... English is a strange language! ;-) -- Wilko van den Bergh wilko(a t)dse(d o t)nl Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe ---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.--- http://kayaker.nl/ |
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"Wilko" wrote in message ... Two words: "Divorce boat"! LOL! The wife and I each have our own boat for that reason. However, we paddle. Maybe we could get along in a peddle boat, though. suds |
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On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 00:16:45 -0800, Melissa wrote:
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Hi Alex, On 9 Jan 2006 18:45:27 -0800, you wrote: I didn't sit that damned bar exam for nothing. So you can mix yourself a nice drink and endure just about anything? ;-) - -- Melissa PGP Public Keys: http://www.freewebs.com/kuviahunnihautik/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQCVAwUBQ8NtZTEYqNTZBqoEAQgpUgQAgv8oTMpRCuD24d84b4 Zia4woP4Tx4Wwg m73hLdGKgvxXXEiuuEbvHR0gG2k2OWKmbBDzwOMVuwZ3h0wLJr R9OQpQRHQM5Wjv Sw8a317kQ1MhTQU8ZFD514WFJqA1ihsKviKld/+SlI5W3ZFMxaTf9xIjOwTLI9Tx 413dGvTq6Kg= =EHvX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Hey there Melissa, I hadn't seen you posting much recently, so I will thank you here for the time you spent last year helping my with understanding the usenet. I finally did get the 40tude installed and plugged into a couple of news services, and generally like how it is working out. Understand better some of the issues, and do most all my posting off of Google. I also recently have been watching the threads a little closer, and trying to avoid the trolls. Sometimes your recommendation here is a good solution for posting woes as well. Anyway thanks, and good to hear that you are still around. OvO |
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"John Fereira" wrote in message .. . I used that phrase several years ago and got a somewhat scathing response via email indicating numerous advantages of a tandem kayak. I blocked that thread from my memory until you brought it up. Please...let's not relive the past ;-) Rebecca Lightning |
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Ahhh February 14 th is coming. ( Vanintines day .)
I will be in the post office with hundreds of racey Valentines cards saying personal improper things to gentlemen. Channel # 5 in a spray bottle and lipstick on a tissue being liberaly spread. Business will flurish with or without doubles. Devorce lawyer. In truth I am not a lawyer. But I could not resist. Alex |
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Hi John.
This string became fun a little while ago. I like doubles for a couple of reasons and I dislike them for others. This couple is looking at a paddle in calm conditions: Perfect for a big old double. The 6' seas you tallk about would be out of the question for some of the other options around. I preffer singles but a double is a way to put challenged individuals on the water, Blind people can hear, smell and taste the spray from whales. You can take a friend from a wheelchair to a double, then the double out to see bergs and whales. Devorce boats are good for all sorts of things. Filming a superb paddler rock hop on an ice berg with a cameraman clutching a $40,000 camera can be done from a double. I have done this. I think a double may be an idea for the original poster. Alex |
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KMAN said: "They call them "divorce boats" because spouse x wants to
paddle up the east shoreline while spouse y wants to paddle up the west shoreline." I think they call them 'divorce boats' because spouse X and spouse Y both wanted to stay dry, but they dumped. And spouse X blames spouse Y and spouse Y blames spouse X. And just like sqeezing the damn toothpaste from the middle, over time the little grudge grows and grows and GROWS until ITS JUST TOO DAMN HARD TO PADDLE WITH YOU, YOU STUPID CONTROL FREAK WATCH OUT FOR THAT ROCK THIS IS JUST LIKE THAT TIME WITH THE KIDS WHEN YOU LET THEM STAY UP LATE AND I WANTED THEM TO LISTEN TO WHAT I HAD TO SAY AND HEY YOU DELIBERATELY LET THAT WAVE SOAK ME YOU LOOK LIKE YOUR FREAKING MOTHER OR FATHER AND HEY!!! DON'T STEER US THERE CAN'T YOU SEE WHERE YOU'RE GOING?? I CANNOT DEAL WITH THIS ANYMORE MR EXPERT PADDLER IT WAS YOUR FAULT WE DUMPED BACK THERE GET ME OUT OF THE GODAMNED CANOE YOU NEVER LISTEN TO WHAT I'M TELLING YOU WHEN WE GET TO SHORE I"M CALLING MY LAWYER I HATE YOU YOU STUPID IDIOT!! :-) --riverman |
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riverman wrote:
I think they call them 'divorce boats' because spouse X and spouse Y both wanted to stay dry, but they dumped. And spouse X blames spouse Y and spouse Y blames spouse X.... LOL The beginner river I use for training has one, count 'em, one rapid in the first day's section. Total drop of the rapid is maybe 2 feet. Maybe less, and it's a straight shot down the center of the river. You have to do a number of things wrong to flip in it, and so far, only one boat, a tandem crewed by a married couple, has managed that feat. They self-rescued and i saw them in the pool below the drop, talking animatedly. Seeing this as a good instructional opportunity, a "teachable moment" as we say in the biz, I paddled over and started my spiel "Let's talk about why you..." The woman turned away from her partner and fixed me with a hard glare. "If you DON'T mind, we're still arguing." No info as to whether they are still paddling the same boat, or even still paddling. However, I do know several very accomplished tandem teams who are still very happily coupled. Steve |
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John, I'll be the last one to point at the tandem boat instead of the
paddlers involved for finding the source of the problem. Of course, things like communication, trust, cooperation, honesty, awareness and respect all play much bigger roles in making a tandem team (or a relationship) work or not. IMNSHO the main problem is that many couples who think that they have a good relationship, don't. Finding out on the river that you're not communicating but talking to each other, that cooperation is something else than a fight for domination, that it's better to have the most experienced boater set the course instead of the most dominant one... A lot can go wrong in a relationship, but tandem kayaking is a good way of finding out how well a couple really gets along and brining out some deeper lying problems. I think that it's better to have that possible surprise out on the table before people get into tandem boating. For me, it strengthened and deepened my friendship and it also helped improve my relationship, but I've seen the opposite happen often enough to be the one to warn about it. Wilko -- Wilko van den Bergh wilkoa t)dse(d otnl Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe ---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.--- http://www.kayaker.nl/ |
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"riverman" wrote in message
oups.com... And just like sqeezing the damn toothpaste from the middle, over time the little grudge grows and grows and GROWS until ITS JUST TOO DAMN HARD TO PADDLE WITH YOU, YOU STUPID CONTROL FREAK WATCH OUT FOR THAT ROCK THIS IS JUST LIKE THAT TIME WITH THE KIDS WHEN YOU LET THEM STAY UP LATE AND I WANTED THEM TO LISTEN TO WHAT I HAD TO SAY AND HEY YOU DELIBERATELY LET THAT WAVE SOAK ME YOU LOOK LIKE YOUR FREAKING MOTHER OR FATHER AND HEY!!! DON'T STEER US THERE CAN'T YOU SEE WHERE YOU'RE GOING?? I CANNOT DEAL WITH THIS ANYMORE MR EXPERT PADDLER IT WAS YOUR FAULT WE DUMPED BACK THERE GET ME OUT OF THE GODAMNED CANOE YOU NEVER LISTEN TO WHAT I'M TELLING YOU WHEN WE GET TO SHORE I"M CALLING MY LAWYER I HATE YOU YOU STUPID IDIOT!! LOL! That hits a little too close to home :-) I once tried paddling tandem with my father on a 2-day trip. It was a *very* long, very *wet* two days. I've also tried paddling tandem with a couple of other people and somehow it never works out well. Well, except for one particular guy--we had fun though he was a much stronger and better paddler than me. Hmm...I'm the common denominator in the equation so I guess that doesn't speak well for me! ;-) Rebecca Lightning |
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"Wilko van den Bergh" wrote in message oups.com... IMNSHO the main problem is that many couples who think that they have a good relationship, don't. Finding out on the river that you're not communicating but talking to each other, that cooperation is something else than a fight for domination, that it's better to have the most experienced boater set the course instead of the most dominant one... A lot can go wrong in a relationship, but tandem kayaking is a good way of finding out how well a couple really gets along and brining out some deeper lying problems. Wilko, I think you make a very valid point here... Rebecca Lightning |
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"riverman" wrote in message oups.com... KMAN said: "They call them "divorce boats" because spouse x wants to paddle up the east shoreline while spouse y wants to paddle up the west shoreline." I think they call them 'divorce boats' because spouse X and spouse Y both wanted to stay dry, but they dumped. And spouse X blames spouse Y and spouse Y blames spouse X. And just like sqeezing the damn toothpaste from the middle, over time the little grudge grows and grows and GROWS until ITS JUST TOO DAMN HARD TO PADDLE WITH YOU, YOU STUPID CONTROL FREAK WATCH OUT FOR THAT ROCK THIS IS JUST LIKE THAT TIME WITH THE KIDS WHEN YOU LET THEM STAY UP LATE AND I WANTED THEM TO LISTEN TO WHAT I HAD TO SAY AND HEY YOU DELIBERATELY LET THAT WAVE SOAK ME YOU LOOK LIKE YOUR FREAKING MOTHER OR FATHER AND HEY!!! DON'T STEER US THERE CAN'T YOU SEE WHERE YOU'RE GOING?? I CANNOT DEAL WITH THIS ANYMORE MR EXPERT PADDLER IT WAS YOUR FAULT WE DUMPED BACK THERE GET ME OUT OF THE GODAMNED CANOE YOU NEVER LISTEN TO WHAT I'M TELLING YOU WHEN WE GET TO SHORE I"M CALLING MY LAWYER I HATE YOU YOU STUPID IDIOT!! :-) --riverman Yes, there's that, as well. |
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"rlightning" wrote in message
... "Wilko van den Bergh" wrote in message oups.com... IMNSHO the main problem is that many couples who think that they have a good relationship, don't. Finding out on the river that you're not communicating but talking to each other, that cooperation is something else than a fight for domination, that it's better to have the most experienced boater set the course instead of the most dominant one... A lot can go wrong in a relationship, but tandem kayaking is a good way of finding out how well a couple really gets along and brining out some deeper lying problems. Wilko, I think you make a very valid point here... Rebecca Lightning I think it's total horse****. A couple could get along in a tandem kayak because their relationship is already broken and they can't function as independent equals. |
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Wilko van den Bergh wrote: IMNSHO the main problem is that many couples who think that they have a good relationship, don't. Finding out on the river that you're not communicating but talking to each other, that cooperation is something else than a fight for domination, that it's better to have the most experienced boater set the course instead of the most dominant one... A lot can go wrong in a relationship, but tandem kayaking is a good way of finding out how well a couple really gets along and brining out some deeper lying problems. Jesus, this is getting scary. Does anyone actually know of a married couple that has gotten a divorce because of tandem paddling? Or is "divorce boat" perhaps a metaphor? Steve |
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Yes actually! One caught the other tandem paddling at a party
and.............oops you meant boats wrote in message oups.com... Wilko van den Bergh wrote: IMNSHO the main problem is that many couples who think that they have a good relationship, don't. Finding out on the river that you're not communicating but talking to each other, that cooperation is something else than a fight for domination, that it's better to have the most experienced boater set the course instead of the most dominant one... A lot can go wrong in a relationship, but tandem kayaking is a good way of finding out how well a couple really gets along and brining out some deeper lying problems. Jesus, this is getting scary. Does anyone actually know of a married couple that has gotten a divorce because of tandem paddling? Or is "divorce boat" perhaps a metaphor? Steve |
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No firm rule here. It all depends on the couple. My wife and I have been
paddling tandem canoes for over 40 years and in recent years have added solo kayaks to the fleet. We enjoy both and are still happily married. Dan In article .com, "Wilko van den Bergh" wrote: Melissa wrote: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Hi Alex, On 9 Jan 2006 18:45:27 -0800, you wrote: I didn't sit that damned bar exam for nothing. So you can mix yourself a nice drink and endure just about anything? ;-) - -- Melissa ROFL! I was already wondering for a long time what the connection between lawyers and bars could be... English is a strange language! ;-) -- Wilko van den Bergh wilko(a t)dse(d o t)nl Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe ---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.--- http://kayaker.nl/ |
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Wilko van den Bergh wrote:
John, I'll be the last one to point at the tandem boat instead of the paddlers involved for finding the source of the problem. Of course, things like communication, trust, cooperation, honesty, awareness and respect all play much bigger roles in making a tandem team (or a relationship) work or not. Wilko I think Wilko's got it right. Relationships aren't destroyed in a tandem boat, but they certainly are made public! I have to admit that my favorite paddling is tandem with my husband. I do more solo paddling than tandem because he just isn't into paddling as much as I am, but I really enjoy our canoeing together. We've been paddling together for 25+ years, and we've got the "communication, cooperation, ..." stuff down pat. With a long-standing tandem partner you know what the other person is going to do without even thinking about it. It can really be great fun. Pam |
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Pam in Iowa wrote:
I have to admit that my favorite paddling is tandem with my husband. I do more solo paddling than tandem because he just isn't into paddling as much as I am, but I really enjoy our canoeing together. We've been paddling together for 25+ years, and we've got the "communication, cooperation, ..." stuff down pat. With a long-standing tandem partner you know what the other person is going to do without even thinking about it. It can really be great fun. Actually, come to think of it, in my experience it can go one step further: when paddling my TopoDuo with Yakmom (Sheila Shapelle) in Austria and Slovenia, I was pleasantly surprised by how well we managed to paddle the boat together, even though I had never been in a tandem boat with her before. We both had several years of paddling with other tandem partners (in her case, in a C2!), and it seemed that a lot of the moves and cooperation where automatically working out very well. :-) -- Wilko van den Bergh wilko(a t)dse(d o t)nl Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe ---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.--- http://wilko.webzone.ru/ |
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That was an awesome day - I hope I can get back to Europe someday and
do it again - plus some kayaking also. mothra just posted a link to this group - being pretty computer illiterate (sp) i figured i had lost rpb .... I have an old RBP tshirt hanging on our boating wall upstairs.. Back to topic - my husband and i have paddled tandem many times on and off over the years - and i paddled tandem with my dad before that..... sheila |
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Solution to Divorce Boat topic.
Rent the movie "Nanook of the North", circa 1930s, from Netflix. If you've ever even touched a kayak, you should anyway for the beauty of it. When you get to the scene where Nanook grounds his kayak and the whole family emerges from their prone positions inside the hull, you will see that we're making a cultural error trying to force our women to share the paddling. Good historical research will help us correct our ways. |
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wrote in message
oups.com... Back to topic - my husband and i have paddled tandem many times on and off over the years - and i paddled tandem with my dad before that..... And you make it seem so effortless. I sure miss paddling with you folks. How are the kids doing you can reply privately if you'd like. Rebecca Lightning |
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in article , !Jones at
wrote on 2/9/06 9:52 PM: On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:55:47 -0500, in rec.boats.paddle KMAN wrote: Nonsense. You can paddle "together" without being locked into the same paddle craft. They call them "divorce boats" because spouse x wants to paddle up the east shoreline while spouse y wants to paddle up the west shoreline. While this group is hardly an elitism-free zone, you are (as usual) way off in your thinking. A tandem is about the experience of doing whatever it is together. That's like saying you can't have a healthy marriage unless you are never apart. You can paddle together without actually being physically joined. |
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They call them divorce boats because often times BOTH are ALWAYS right? The
hobie thing you spoke of....is that the boat with bicycle pedals? "!Jones" wrote in message ... On 10 Jan 2006 21:28:47 -0800, in rec.boats.paddle "riverman" wrote: I think they call them 'divorce boats' because spouse X and spouse Y both wanted to stay dry, They call them "divorce boats" because spouse X is an abusive alcholoic and spouse Y is having an affair when spouse X goes out and buys the damn thing thinking it'll help... then gets ****ed when spouse Y isn't real interested. It neither helps nor hurts their marriage; however, it gets blamed for their subsequent problems... which had their roots *long* before they acquired a tandem kayak. Jones |
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!Jones wrote: On Mon, 09 Jan 2006 15:46:33 +0100, in rec.boats.paddle Wilko wrote: wrote: I would gravitate toward a normal double sea kayak. 8,000 year old technology and nothing but a paddle to break. You will have two anyway and i would carry a spare. Thats just me. Alex http://pages.ivillage.com/mcgruer Two words: "Divorce boat"! ( This coming from a long time Topo-Duo enthousiast: http://kayaker.nl/niels-35.jpg ) This idea comes from the fact that people will tend to buy such a thing looking for a patch for an already failing marriage. Consider how much exercise equipment is owned by people who are morbidly obese; does exercise equipment, therefore, cause obesity? We are tandem bicycle enthusiasts and enjoy riding thus; we'd probably do OK in a tandem kayak except that my wife has an upper body handicap. Jones, bicycles are not nearly the same as kayaks. For example, on whitewater you can't stop everywhere when it suits you, if you flip, coming up with two paddlers in one boat you require good cooperation, and on a river, deciding where to go next is quite a different thing when both paddler can actually steer the boat in different directions, countering each other's effectiveness out. A bicycle only has one person steering... Having said that, I don't disagree with your assertion that there is already something wrong with the relationship before they got into the boat, but you could have read that from my other posts further down the thread. :-) -- Wilko van den Bergh wilkoa t)dse(d o tnl Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe ---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.--- http://kayaker.nl/ |
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in article , Wilko van den Bergh at
wrote on 2/10/06 3:02 AM: !Jones wrote: On Mon, 09 Jan 2006 15:46:33 +0100, in rec.boats.paddle Wilko wrote: wrote: I would gravitate toward a normal double sea kayak. 8,000 year old technology and nothing but a paddle to break. You will have two anyway and i would carry a spare. Thats just me. Alex http://pages.ivillage.com/mcgruer Two words: "Divorce boat"! ( This coming from a long time Topo-Duo enthousiast: http://kayaker.nl/niels-35.jpg ) This idea comes from the fact that people will tend to buy such a thing looking for a patch for an already failing marriage. Consider how much exercise equipment is owned by people who are morbidly obese; does exercise equipment, therefore, cause obesity? We are tandem bicycle enthusiasts and enjoy riding thus; we'd probably do OK in a tandem kayak except that my wife has an upper body handicap. Jones, bicycles are not nearly the same as kayaks. For example, on whitewater you can't stop everywhere when it suits you, if you flip, coming up with two paddlers in one boat you require good cooperation, and on a river, deciding where to go next is quite a different thing when both paddler can actually steer the boat in different directions, countering each other's effectiveness out. A bicycle only has one person steering... Having said that, I don't disagree with your assertion that there is already something wrong with the relationship before they got into the boat, but you could have read that from my other posts further down the thread. :-) Heehee. And I don't think the idea of the "divorce boat" is that you will actually get divorced. It just means that a lot of couples become unhapy with them. When my wife and I were first looking into kayaking the various outfitters all told us pretty much the same thing about tandem boats, which was that most people become unhappy with them in a short period of time because they are limiting. They wanted to be able to take trips together, but not have to take the exact same trajectory and see the exact same things. It's obvious that anything is possible...a couple with a very healthy marriage could end up not enjoying the tandem experience or a couple with a crappy marriage might actually love it. But the tag "divorce boat" got put on tandems because, imo, people involved in the kayaking industry learned - as a generality - that couples tend to become unhappy with them. Keenan gokayaking.ca |
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The hobie thing you spoke of....is that the boat with bicycle pedals?
Yeah. Some people claim that they're the greatest thing since sliced bread. I'm not taking any position, just collecting data. I'd expect a purist to look down his or her nose at it. I know that when any machine tries to do *everything*, it usually does nothing very well. It might work well enough for day outings on our fla****er bays, though. Jones |
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A bicycle only has one person steering...
Not exactly. Try riding with an inexperienced stoker and you'll agree!!! There are several (antique) bikes where *both* handlebars are able to steer: the "Colson" and "Cleveland" models from the early 1900s, for example. I would put the two activities in a very similar category. Not that they are the same; however, a team that is good at one will probably be able to do the other with practice. Jones |
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Anyone who looks down his\her nose.............well what more need be said.
I'm a white water guy but also VP of my club and support the flat water side just as much. It's all about having fun on the water no matter how one chooses to do it. I NEVER complain about rafters either! :-) As far as one boat does it all? No such thing. I have 2 play boats, 2 creekers, several teaching boats, a touring boat, and 2 solo open boats. Most end up with a "quiver" of some sort.........I would think the pedal boat to be a good work out "!Jones" wrote in message oups.com... The hobie thing you spoke of....is that the boat with bicycle pedals? Yeah. Some people claim that they're the greatest thing since sliced bread. I'm not taking any position, just collecting data. I'd expect a purist to look down his or her nose at it. I know that when any machine tries to do *everything*, it usually does nothing very well. It might work well enough for day outings on our fla****er bays, though. Jones |
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!Jones wrote:
A bicycle only has one person steering... Not exactly. Try riding with an inexperienced stoker and you'll agree!!! I have, both on a tandem bicycle and tandem kayak. I prefer the tandem kayak because it doesn't hurt as much when you end up going over sideways because the other person isn't keeping their balance... :-) There are several (antique) bikes where *both* handlebars are able to steer: the "Colson" and "Cleveland" models from the early 1900s, for example. Sure, but they're not exactly common modern tandem bicycles, are they? :-) I would put the two activities in a very similar category. Not that they are the same; however, a team that is good at one will probably be able to do the other with practice. Sorry Jones, I've ridden a bicycle for the past 30 years, almost daily, going to school and work on my bicycle, untill I got a job which was too far away for that to be possible. (even in a flat country with bicycle lanes everywhere, there are limits to what you can do with a bike :-) ) In my view, riding a tandem bicycle is ridiculously easy compared to paddling a tandem kayak on moving water, both with and without experienced partners. I do see parallels, but riding a tandem bike doesn't quite compare. -- Wilko van den Bergh wilkoa t)dse(d o tnl Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe ---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.--- http://kayaker.nl/ |
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"Wilko" wrote in message
... !Jones wrote: A bicycle only has one person steering... Not exactly. Try riding with an inexperienced stoker and you'll agree!!! I have, both on a tandem bicycle and tandem kayak. I prefer the tandem kayak because it doesn't hurt as much when you end up going over sideways because the other person isn't keeping their balance... :-) There are several (antique) bikes where *both* handlebars are able to steer: the "Colson" and "Cleveland" models from the early 1900s, for example. Sure, but they're not exactly common modern tandem bicycles, are they? :-) I would put the two activities in a very similar category. Not that they are the same; however, a team that is good at one will probably be able to do the other with practice. Sorry Jones, I've ridden a bicycle for the past 30 years, almost daily, going to school and work on my bicycle, untill I got a job which was too far away for that to be possible. (even in a flat country with bicycle lanes everywhere, there are limits to what you can do with a bike :-) ) In my view, riding a tandem bicycle is ridiculously easy compared to paddling a tandem kayak on moving water, both with and without experienced partners. I do see parallels, but riding a tandem bike doesn't quite compare. I'd suggest it's a bit like riding a tandem bike through downhill cross-country course :-) |
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!Jones wrote:
The hobie thing you spoke of....is that the boat with bicycle pedals? Yeah. Some people claim that they're the greatest thing since sliced bread. I'm not taking any position, just collecting data. I'd expect a purist to look down his or her nose at it. I know that when any machine tries to do *everything*, it usually does nothing very well. It might work well enough for day outings on our fla****er bays, though. They do genereate a lot of power. Go here http://www.hobiecat.com/kayaking/miragedrive.html and scroll down to the videos at the bottom. Note that a drag race and cruising are different, and a real race would probably give different results. You still need a paddle for reverse and sideways. Steve |
A question from a new paddler...
I am a whitewater kayaker and canoer and paddle sea kayaks on the side.
However, I did get the chance to try out the Hobie with the pedals but it was several years back at Outdoor Retailer when they first came out. Personally I really liked it. It was a fun boat since there were two different ways of making it move in the water. It appeared to me that it was a boat meant for fla****er or very low class I / II. I paddled it solo and felt I got a great work out. Then I took it out with the rep tandem and was amazed at how fast we had that thing going while we both of us paddled and peddled together. It was a stable boat and very entertaining. I really don't remember having anything negative to say about it except that you had to remember not to get into to shallow of water because of the pedals hanging down. Courtney "!Jones" wrote in message oups.com... The hobie thing you spoke of....is that the boat with bicycle pedals? Yeah. Some people claim that they're the greatest thing since sliced bread. I'm not taking any position, just collecting data. I'd expect a purist to look down his or her nose at it. I know that when any machine tries to do *everything*, it usually does nothing very well. It might work well enough for day outings on our fla****er bays, though. Jones |
A question from a new paddler...
Per Courtney:
I really don't remember having anything negative to say about it except that you had to remember not to get into to shallow of water because of the pedals hanging down. Did you have occasion to take it through any weeds? -- PeteCresswell |
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