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On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 22:29:07 -0500, Reggie Smithers
wrote:

bb wrote:
On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 16:17:28 -0600, Skipper wrote:

The fact is, this $300 entry fee would be history if Floriduh
reciprocated with a Piggly Wiggly fee for them.

Piggly Wiggly fee? So now you expect Florida to impose a fee on
Bahamians who take your wife for a ride, just because they expect
cruisers to foot some of the expenses imposed on the Bahamian's due to
their cruising life style? Get real, dude.

bb
BB,
Isn't it possible to disagree with Skipper without the personal insults?

Ya know, I was wondering the same thing. Here is a legitimate thread, providing
information for both sides. But, it has to be drug down by a few who can't resist
going to attack mode.

Un-real!

As for the thread, no, cruise ship passengers aren't required to pay a fee to get off
the ship onto a Bahama Island.

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

JohnH wrote:
On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 22:29:07 -0500, Reggie Smithers
wrote:

bb wrote:

On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 16:17:28 -0600, Skipper wrote:

The fact is, this $300 entry fee would be history if Floriduh
reciprocated with a Piggly Wiggly fee for them.

Piggly Wiggly fee? So now you expect Florida to impose a fee on
Bahamians who take your wife for a ride, just because they expect
cruisers to foot some of the expenses imposed on the Bahamian's due to
their cruising life style? Get real, dude.

bb

BB,
Isn't it possible to disagree with Skipper without the personal insults?

Ya know, I was wondering the same thing. Here is a legitimate thread, providing
information for both sides. But, it has to be drug down by a few who can't resist
going to attack mode.

Un-real!

As for the thread, no, cruise ship passengers aren't required to pay a fee to get off
the ship onto a Bahama Island.

Skipper,

The beauty about the tax, is you and anyone else who does not want to
pay the tax, just just avoid going to the Bahamas, If enough people
"boycott" the Bahamas, then they will resend the tax. My feeling is it
will stop some of the "cruisers" who anchor in the Bahamas for the
winter, but don't really spend much money locally. My feeling is those
who are contributing to the local economy really won't care about the
$300 tax. They will consider the $300 tax a pittance to the money they
will spend in gas, fishing and entertainment they spend in the Bahamas.

I think the $300 tax is doing exactly what the Bahamians wanted when
they set up the tax. Discourage the boaters and cruisers who were not
spending money in the Bahamas, from utilizing the services and natural
beauty of the islands.

--
Reggie
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 17:57:55 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Skipper's trolling.

====================

Dang, who would have guessed. All the time I was thinking that he had
a legitimate issue that was keeping him from cruising the Bahamas. My
guess that the Bahamian's instituted the charges to discourage the
riff raff who were trying to go there on the cheap and live off the
land. Looks like they got one.

It's nice of him to be concerned about my expenses though.

:-)

Wayne,
I figured that Skipper was trolling for a boating discussion. It really
doesn't matter if he will ever go to the Bahamas or if most of us will ever
bring out boats there. His post encourages On Topic posts, even if you
disagree with him.

Reggie Smithers wrote:

The beauty about the tax, is you and anyone else who does not want to
pay the tax, just just avoid going to the Bahamas, If enough people
"boycott" the Bahamas, then they will resend the tax.

I see very little "beauty" in *any* additional taxes. Matter of fact, I
can remember a day not too distant where boaters found great freedom in
boating. Made no dif whether the local lake or distant shore, boating
had much more "beauty" before politicians stuck their mugs into the
picture.

Before this current PC big government culture developed, *exorbitant*
tributes and "fees" extracted on foreign shores were considered a form
of extortion or piracy. Now, precisely because we remain silent and not
retaliate, we pay $20+++ per head to enter Mexico and $300 to enter
Burmuda.

I'm for tougher borders and Piggly Wiggly fees for those who gouge us.

My feeling is it will stop some of the "cruisers" who anchor in the
Bahamas for the winter, but don't really spend much money locally.
My feeling is those who are contributing to the local economy really
won't care about the $300 tax. They will consider the $300 tax a pittance
to the money they will spend in gas, fishing and entertainment they spend
in the Bahamas.

Those rationales were not used by the supporters of the fee when it was
initiated. They sold it as rich Americans paying for their "suffering."
It was sold as income redistribution and support for their
"infrustructure."

I think the $300 tax is doing exactly what the Bahamians wanted when
they set up the tax. Discourage the boaters and cruisers who were not
spending money in the Bahamas, from utilizing the services and natural
beauty of the islands.

And I think allowing this targeted abuse against boaters without
retaliation just encourages more of the same in the future.

--
Skipper

Reggie Smithers wrote:

Wayne,
I figured that Skipper was trolling for a boating discussion. It really
doesn't matter if he will ever go to the Bahamas or if most of us will ever
bring out boats there. His post encourages On Topic posts, even if you
disagree with him.

Wayne's posit illustrates precisely what is wrong with Floriduh boating
today. Look no further than Fort Lauderdale, even his $300,000 Hatts are
being pushed out in favor of megayachts and condos. There was nothing in
his posit that supports the boating culture or boaters in general. And
saddest of all, he really doesn't care...

--
Skipper

Skipper wrote:
Reggie Smithers wrote:

The beauty about the tax, is you and anyone else who does not want to
pay the tax, just just avoid going to the Bahamas, If enough people
"boycott" the Bahamas, then they will resend the tax.

I see very little "beauty" in *any* additional taxes. Matter of fact, I
can remember a day not too distant where boaters found great freedom in
boating. Made no dif whether the local lake or distant shore, boating
had much more "beauty" before politicians stuck their mugs into the
picture.

Before this current PC big government culture developed, *exorbitant*
tributes and "fees" extracted on foreign shores were considered a form
of extortion or piracy. Now, precisely because we remain silent and not
retaliate, we pay $20+++ per head to enter Mexico and $300 to enter
Burmuda.

I'm for tougher borders and Piggly Wiggly fees for those who gouge us.

My feeling is it will stop some of the "cruisers" who anchor in the
Bahamas for the winter, but don't really spend much money locally.
My feeling is those who are contributing to the local economy really
won't care about the $300 tax. They will consider the $300 tax a pittance
to the money they will spend in gas, fishing and entertainment they spend
in the Bahamas.

Those rationales were not used by the supporters of the fee when it was
initiated. They sold it as rich Americans paying for their "suffering."
It was sold as income redistribution and support for their
"infrustructure."

I think the $300 tax is doing exactly what the Bahamians wanted when
they set up the tax. Discourage the boaters and cruisers who were not
spending money in the Bahamas, from utilizing the services and natural
beauty of the islands.

And I think allowing this targeted abuse against boaters without
retaliation just encourages more of the same in the future.

--
Skipper
Skipper,
Have you contacted your senators and congressman? A usage fee charged
to those who use a service provided by the government is the fairest way
to pay for governmental services. Since boaters do utilize the local
infrastructure and services (ie police, coast guard, roads, water etc)
and many bring all of their own food and do not spend money at the local
restaurants, hotels, casinos etc. to me it makes sense for them to
charge boaters a "usage fee".

If you are against the concept of usage fee, it would make more sense
for you to lobby against motel/hotel, airport and rental car taxes used
in most American Cities. They are the exact some "usage fee" that the
Bahamians charge boaters. The Bahamians might say the usage fee is their
retaliation against our exorbitant taxes we impose on their citizens.
; )

--
Reggie
************************************************** *********************
If you would like to make rec.boats an enjoyable place to discuss
boating, please do not respond to the political and inflammatory
off- topic posts and flames.
************************************************** *********************

Skipper wrote:
The post was not intended to be racist, but reflective of the
inspiration for the racist fee. It was black Bahamian politicians who
fought for the outrageous fees...and their rationale for the fees have
been well documented in newspapers at the time of the Bahamian debate.
Check it out...unless you believe we "owe" them.

And about Floriduh, well Floriduh is Floriduh, and West is best, IMO.
Your mileage may differ.

Now, if you believe the Bahamian cruising fee of $300 is justified or
that Floriduh is not Floriduh, make you case. I'll then make mine and
we'll see where the chips fall.

--
Skipper

congrats on being the first killfile member of 2006. an honor richly
deserved...

DownTime wrote:

congrats on being the first killfile member of 2006. an honor richly
deserved...

Jeese, Tampa Bay musta been eliminated. Mercy killing I'd bet.

--
Skipper

Skipper wrote:
Reggie Smithers wrote:

Wayne,
I figured that Skipper was trolling for a boating discussion. It really
doesn't matter if he will ever go to the Bahamas or if most of us will ever
bring out boats there. His post encourages On Topic posts, even if you
disagree with him.

Wayne's posit illustrates precisely what is wrong with Floriduh boating
today. Look no further than Fort Lauderdale, even his $300,000 Hatts are
being pushed out in favor of megayachts and condos. There was nothing in
his posit that supports the boating culture or boaters in general. And
saddest of all, he really doesn't care...

--
Skipper
Skipper,
I support boating, but I am not sure what you mean by the "boating
culture" if you mean local governments should bow to the demands of
transient boaters, I disagree with you. I would hate to think local
governments would ignore the needs of the locals over the needs of a
cruising community. If the local goverments think transients boaters
are benificial to the local economy they will encourage the transients
to come to their area. If they do not, it makes sense for them to
impose a "usage fee" on those using their services.

A similar comparison would be if RV users demanded that all communities
in beautiful areas or popular tourist areas demanded local governments
provide free parking for their RV's. It is not reasonable for the
RV'ers or the Cruisers to expect to utilize anchorage or parking without
a fee.

--
Reggie
************************************************** *********************
If you would like to make rec.boats an enjoyable place to discuss
boating, please do not respond to the political and inflammatory
off- topic posts and flames.
************************************************** *********************

Reggie Smithers wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...

On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 17:57:55 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Skipper's trolling.

====================

Dang, who would have guessed. All the time I was thinking that he had
a legitimate issue that was keeping him from cruising the Bahamas. My
guess that the Bahamian's instituted the charges to discourage the
riff raff who were trying to go there on the cheap and live off the
land. Looks like they got one.

It's nice of him to be concerned about my expenses though.

:-)

Wayne,
I figured that Skipper was trolling for a boating discussion. It really
doesn't matter if he will ever go to the Bahamas or if most of us will ever
bring out boats there. His post encourages On Topic posts, even if you
disagree with him.

If the Bahamas boat tax was only applied to Americans, I could agree
with Skipper. I also think Canada should start imposing additional
fees/taxes on our exports of natural gas, crude oil & electricity to the
US as a pay back for the Bush administrations shameful antics in the
softwood lumber dispute.
see: http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/softwood_lumber/