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Boating Plans for 2006
What, if anything are y'all planning to do this year? Anything new?
anything different? For us, it will be a lot of the same inshore fishing the Pine Island, Matlacha with the exception being hopefully catching our targeted quarry more often. Will venture out some, weather permitting to the Gulf for some offshore bottom fishing and probably get back to diving a bit more regularily. Then we have the summer trips to the keys for lobster and some offshore blue water trolling. Come late spring / early summer we are looking to get a few more tarpon memories and my neighbor wants to try for tarpon by kayak in the Caloosahatchee. I may just bring my video camera and let him go first. Has anyone fished for and landed a tarpon fishing from a kayak? I expect quite a wild ride and come to think of it, the area we 'found' is maybe about two miles from home. It does pay to go fishing with people who know better than you thought you did. I guess you can always learn something new. ;) |
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On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 14:28:02 GMT, DownTime wrote:
What, if anything are y'all planning to do this year? Anything new? anything different? For us, it will be a lot of the same inshore fishing the Pine Island, Matlacha with the exception being hopefully catching our targeted quarry more often. Will venture out some, weather permitting to the Gulf for some offshore bottom fishing and probably get back to diving a bit more regularily. Then we have the summer trips to the keys for lobster and some offshore blue water trolling. Come late spring / early summer we are looking to get a few more tarpon memories and my neighbor wants to try for tarpon by kayak in the Caloosahatchee. I may just bring my video camera and let him go first. Has anyone fished for and landed a tarpon fishing from a kayak? I expect quite a wild ride and come to think of it, the area we 'found' is maybe about two miles from home. It does pay to go fishing with people who know better than you thought you did. I guess you can always learn something new. ;) I'd like to see that video when you get it! Post it to one of the binary groups and let us know! -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes |
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On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 14:28:02 GMT, DownTime
wrote: What, if anything are y'all planning to do this year? Anything new? anything different? I'd like to get over to the Abacos for about 3 weeks in early spring, and also to go south to Shark River and Everglades Park during the winter before the skeeters come back to life. We also have a trip planned up to St Pete Beach in about 4 weeks where we'll be race committee boat for one of my oldest son's sailing regattas. We will probably go up outside weather permitting, with an overnight in Venice. Coming back I'm planning to take the leisurely inside route on the ICW with stops at Long Boat Key, Sarasota and Boca Grande. I don't think we're going all the way north this summer but you never know. If the weather gets too miserable here we might just take a run up to North Carolina or thereabouts For us, it will be a lot of the same inshore fishing the Pine Island, Matlacha with the exception being hopefully catching our targeted quarry more often. Will venture out some, weather permitting to the Gulf for some offshore bottom fishing and probably get back to diving a bit more regularily. Then we have the summer trips to the keys for lobster and some offshore blue water trolling. Yes, life is just awful here in south Florida. :-) Come late spring / early summer we are looking to get a few more tarpon memories and my neighbor wants to try for tarpon by kayak in the Caloosahatchee. I may just bring my video camera and let him go first. Has anyone fished for and landed a tarpon fishing from a kayak? My next door neighbor claims to know a good Tarpon spot near the Rim Canal just south of the mid point bridge. He claims that he can chum them in off the flats and catch them on catfish tails. It would certainly be a gas and a half to get one from a kayak. I expect quite a wild ride and come to think of it, the area we 'found' is maybe about two miles from home. It does pay to go fishing with people who know better than you thought you did. I guess you can always learn something new. ;) |
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On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 10:24:40 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 14:28:02 GMT, DownTime wrote: What, if anything are y'all planning to do this year? Anything new? anything different? I'd like to get over to the Abacos for about 3 weeks in early spring, and also to go south to Shark River and Everglades Park during the winter before the skeeters come back to life. We also have a trip planned up to St Pete Beach in about 4 weeks where we'll be race committee boat for one of my oldest son's sailing regattas. We will probably go up outside weather permitting, with an overnight in Venice. Coming back I'm planning to take the leisurely inside route on the ICW with stops at Long Boat Key, Sarasota and Boca Grande. I don't think we're going all the way north this summer but you never know. If the weather gets too miserable here we might just take a run up to North Carolina or thereabouts For us, it will be a lot of the same inshore fishing the Pine Island, Matlacha with the exception being hopefully catching our targeted quarry more often. Will venture out some, weather permitting to the Gulf for some offshore bottom fishing and probably get back to diving a bit more regularily. Then we have the summer trips to the keys for lobster and some offshore blue water trolling. Yes, life is just awful here in south Florida. :-) Come late spring / early summer we are looking to get a few more tarpon memories and my neighbor wants to try for tarpon by kayak in the Caloosahatchee. I may just bring my video camera and let him go first. Has anyone fished for and landed a tarpon fishing from a kayak? My next door neighbor claims to know a good Tarpon spot near the Rim Canal just south of the mid point bridge. He claims that he can chum them in off the flats and catch them on catfish tails. It would certainly be a gas and a half to get one from a kayak. I expect quite a wild ride and come to think of it, the area we 'found' is maybe about two miles from home. It does pay to go fishing with people who know better than you thought you did. I guess you can always learn something new. ;) I hear there's some great fishing at a little place called 'Castaway Cay' about 7-8 miles from Abaco! :) -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes |
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"DownTime" wrote in message ... What, if anything are y'all planning to do this year? Anything new? anything different? For us, it will be a lot of the same inshore fishing the Pine Island, Matlacha with the exception being hopefully catching our targeted quarry more often. Will venture out some, weather permitting to the Gulf for some offshore bottom fishing and probably get back to diving a bit more regularily. Then we have the summer trips to the keys for lobster and some offshore blue water trolling. Come late spring / early summer we are looking to get a few more tarpon memories and my neighbor wants to try for tarpon by kayak in the Caloosahatchee. I may just bring my video camera and let him go first. Has anyone fished for and landed a tarpon fishing from a kayak? I expect quite a wild ride and come to think of it, the area we 'found' is maybe about two miles from home. It does pay to go fishing with people who know better than you thought you did. I guess you can always learn something new. ;) We will be out on the Lake as usual during the summer, most likely tubing or at our favorite swimming holes. We have just put a deposit down on a rental house on Put-In-Bay for the week of July 22-30 (Christmas in July weekend) and will be trailering the boat up with us. Unless I can find a fixed dock, we will probably keep it on a buoy on the bay for the week, knowing that Saturday and most of Sunday will be booked or taken by the time we arrive. |
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"Wayne.B" wrote:
I'd like to get over to the Abacos for about 3 weeks in early spring... All pleasure boats entering the Bahamas must now purchase at their first Port of Entry a $150 cruising permit for boats up to 35 feet and $300 for boats over 35 feet *each year*. Paying $300 just to enter a port for an annual visit is a rip and should be boycotted by cruisers. This "fee" was imposed by black Bahamian politicians because they believe the Floriduh boaters cruising the 90 miles to visit their islands are all rich and should be made to pay for their suffering on the islands. Actually, any Bahamian entering any Floriduh business such as a Publix, Piggly Wiggly, or even an area hospital should be charged a $300 use fee just for entering the premises. The fee can be used for manatee protection... -- Skipper |
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Harry Krause wrote:
I'm certain cruisers everywhere will heed your admonition, Skipper, but why is the fee of any concern to you? It's not as if you cruise to the Bahamas or anywhere else. To all members of this newsgroup: Per our agreement, please ignore this transparent attempt to sabotage our new accord to remain well-mannered. William |
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Skipper wrote:
All pleasure boats entering the Bahamas must now purchase at their first Port of Entry a $150 cruising permit for boats up to 35 feet and $300 for boats over 35 feet *each year*. And it's even worse than that: http://www.noonsite.com/Countries/Ba...rc=Formalities The way I read it, it's $300 for just two visits *within 90 days* or $500 to extend. -- Skipper |
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On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 13:11:54 -0600, William Bruce wrote:
To all members of this newsgroup: Per our agreement, please ignore this transparent attempt to sabotage our new accord to remain well-mannered. William Then your admonishment is a post late. Besides the post's racist intent, I wasn't aware that "Floriduh" was the well-mannered name for that southern state. |
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On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 13:15:36 -0600, Skipper wrote:
Skipper wrote: All pleasure boats entering the Bahamas must now purchase at their first Port of Entry a $150 cruising permit for boats up to 35 feet and $300 for boats over 35 feet *each year*. And it's even worse than that: http://www.noonsite.com/Countries/Ba...rc=Formalities The way I read it, it's $300 for just two visits *within 90 days* or $500 to extend. Wow! Remind me not to take my boat to the Bahamas any time soon! -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes |
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thunder wrote:
Then your admonishment is a post late. Besides the post's racist intent, I wasn't aware that "Floriduh" was the well-mannered name for that southern state. The post was not intended to be racist, but reflective of the inspiration for the racist fee. It was black Bahamian politicians who fought for the outrageous fees...and their rationale for the fees have been well documented in newspapers at the time of the Bahamian debate. Check it out...unless you believe we "owe" them. And about Floriduh, well Floriduh is Floriduh, and West is best, IMO. Your mileage may differ. Now, if you believe the Bahamian cruising fee of $300 is justified or that Floriduh is not Floriduh, make you case. I'll then make mine and we'll see where the chips fall. -- Skipper |
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William Bruce wrote:
Harry Krause wrote: I'm certain cruisers everywhere will heed your admonition, Skipper, but why is the fee of any concern to you? It's not as if you cruise to the Bahamas or anywhere else. To all members of this newsgroup: Per our agreement, please ignore this transparent attempt to sabotage our new accord to remain well-mannered. William Maybe you should heed your own advice! |
Boating Plans for 2006
I am going to MN this summer for a week. Other than that it will be the
usual. Central IN fishing. I might go to Lake Barkley this summer for a couple of days. Then to Lake Monroe (home of John Mellencamp). With probably one short trip to Michigan City by the pier and or Trail Creek when the Skamania run starts. "DownTime" wrote in message ... What, if anything are y'all planning to do this year? Anything new? anything different? For us, it will be a lot of the same inshore fishing the Pine Island, Matlacha with the exception being hopefully catching our targeted quarry more often. Will venture out some, weather permitting to the Gulf for some offshore bottom fishing and probably get back to diving a bit more regularily. Then we have the summer trips to the keys for lobster and some offshore blue water trolling. Come late spring / early summer we are looking to get a few more tarpon memories and my neighbor wants to try for tarpon by kayak in the Caloosahatchee. I may just bring my video camera and let him go first. Has anyone fished for and landed a tarpon fishing from a kayak? I expect quite a wild ride and come to think of it, the area we 'found' is maybe about two miles from home. It does pay to go fishing with people who know better than you thought you did. I guess you can always learn something new. ;) |
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Skippy,
Still trolling I see!!!! "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Skipper wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote: I'd like to get over to the Abacos for about 3 weeks in early spring... All pleasure boats entering the Bahamas must now purchase at their first Port of Entry a $150 cruising permit for boats up to 35 feet and $300 for boats over 35 feet *each year*. Paying $300 just to enter a port for an annual visit is a rip and should be boycotted by cruisers. This "fee" was imposed by black Bahamian politicians because they believe the Floriduh boaters cruising the 90 miles to visit their islands are all rich and should be made to pay for their suffering on the islands. Actually, any Bahamian entering any Floriduh business such as a Publix, Piggly Wiggly, or even an area hospital should be charged a $300 use fee just for entering the premises. The fee can be used for manatee protection... -- Skipper "...*black* Bahamian politicians..." Nice bit of racism there. I'm certain cruisers everywhere will heed your admonition, Skipper, but why is the fee of any concern to you? It's not as if you cruise to the Bahamas or anywhere else. |
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On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 11:47:47 -0600, Skipper wrote:
All pleasure boats entering the Bahamas must now purchase at their first Port of Entry a $150 cruising permit for boats up to 35 feet and $300 for boats over 35 feet *each year*. =================================== That's all old news. It's their country and they set the rules. If you go for 3 weeks it works out to about $15 a day and includes fishing licenses for everyone on the boat. In the grand scheme of cruising on a decent sized boat, $15 a day is peanuts compared to diesel, dockage, maintenance, etc. Fully loaded operating costs for a sportfish in the 40 to 50 ft range are well over $100/hour. |
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FREDO wrote:
All pleasure boats entering the Bahamas must now purchase at their first Port of Entry a $150 cruising permit for boats up to 35 feet and $300 for boats over 35 feet *each year*. Paying $300 just to enter a port for an annual visit is a rip and should be boycotted by cruisers. This "fee" was imposed by black Bahamian politicians because they believe the Floriduh boaters cruising the 90 miles to visit their islands are all rich and should be made to pay for their suffering on the islands. Actually, any Bahamian entering any Floriduh business such as a Publix, Piggly Wiggly, or even an area hospital should be charged a $300 use fee just for entering the premises. The fee can be used for manatee protection... Still trolling I see!!!! I favor serving a little reciprocal Piggly Wiggly fee on the Bahamians, do you? Why should we not reciprocate? -- Skipper |
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"Wayne.B" wrote:
Skipper wrote: All pleasure boats entering the Bahamas must now purchase at their first Port of Entry a $150 cruising permit for boats up to 35 feet and $300 for boats over 35 feet *each year*. That's all old news. It's their country and they set the rules. No sir, I set my own rules. I've researched this outrageous bilking of American pleasure boaters, understand the roots of the fee, and believe both a boycott and reciprocal fee for Bahamians entering this country is in order. The fact is, this $300 entry fee would be history if Floriduh reciprocated with a Piggly Wiggly fee for them. If you go for 3 weeks it works out to about $15 a day and includes fishing licenses for everyone on the boat. In the grand scheme of cruising on a decent sized boat, $15 a day is peanuts compared to diesel, dockage, maintenance, etc. That $300 entry fee is over and above all other expenses and is not insignificant for most recreational boaters. The fee is very much like a reverse poll tax and effectively closes these waters to many boaters. I'm in favor of open access to recreational waters. Fully loaded operating costs for a sportfish in the 40 to 50 ft range are well over $100/hour. Tough beans, most recreational cruising boats in the 40' to 50' range are able to operate for much less than $100 per hr. What would you judge the operational costs to run a Skookum 53 ketch over to Aruba? -- Skipper |
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On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 17:57:55 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: Skipper's trolling. ==================== Dang, who would have guessed. All the time I was thinking that he had a legitimate issue that was keeping him from cruising the Bahamas. My guess that the Bahamian's instituted the charges to discourage the riff raff who were trying to go there on the cheap and live off the land. Looks like they got one. It's nice of him to be concerned about my expenses though. :-) |
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"Wayne.B" wrote:
All the time I was thinking that he had a legitimate issue... There is a legitimate and ongoing boycott of the Bahamas over this issue. Goggle Bahamas boycott or check what Boat US has to say on the subject. -- Skipper |
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On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 16:17:28 -0600, Skipper wrote:
Fully loaded operating costs for a sportfish in the 40 to 50 ft range are well over $100/hour. Tough beans, most recreational cruising boats in the 40' to 50' range are able to operate for much less than $100 per hr. What would you judge the operational costs to run a Skookum 53 ketch over to Aruba? ======================= A Skookum is not a sportfish, it is a long range cruiser. Different beast. Given that fully loaded costs include amortization, maintenance, dockage and insurance, I'd be willing to bet that the costs of running one are higher than you'd think. What is your experience with costs for a 40 to 50 ft sportfish? Sorry, I had trouble hearing that. Here are my numbers for a used 50 ft Hatt: Purchase price $300K, annualized amortization around $40K Annual insurance, 12 months, tropics - about $5K Fuel at 50 gph, 300 hours/yr, 15,000 gals, about $40K at today's prices. Dockage at $800/mo, $10K/yr Maintenance, approx $20/hour, 6K/yr @ 300 hrs So far we are at just over $100K/yr with no bottom painting, cleaning, waxing, and no major overhauls. Dividing $100K by 300 hours, I'm getting about $330/hour. The only significant savings with a Skookum are for fuel and maintenance. The rest is about the same. |
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" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT com wrote in message . .. We will be out on the Lake as usual during the summer, most likely tubing or at our favorite swimming holes. We have just put a deposit down on a rental house on Put-In-Bay for the week of July 22-30 (Christmas in July weekend) and will be trailering the boat up with us. Unless I can find a fixed dock, we will probably keep it on a buoy on the bay for the week, knowing that Saturday and most of Sunday will be booked or taken by the time we arrive. Jim, I just took a look at Put-In-Bay photos out of curiosity. What's with the Christmas in July theme? Bryan |
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"Wayne.B" wrote:
Skipper wrote: Fully loaded operating costs for a sportfish in the 40 to 50 ft range are well over $100/hour. Tough beans, most recreational cruising boats in the 40' to 50' range are able to operate for much less than $100 per hr. What would you judge the operational costs to run a Skookum 53 ketch over to the Bahamas? A Skookum is not a sportfish, it is a long range cruiser. Different beast... Dividing $100K by 300 hours, I'm getting about $330/hour. The only significant savings with a Skookum are for fuel and maintenance. The rest is about the same. Well then, let's compare a Gulfstar 50 ketch. Are you contending it also costs $330/hour for the run over to the Bahamas? The subject here, Wayne, is the extraordinary fee Bahamian politicians are imposing on recreational boaters. Is that same fee imposed on cruiseship passengers? As a recreational boater, you should be supporting the boycott. -- Skipper |
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On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 11:47:47 -0600, Skipper wrote:
Paying $300 just to enter a port for an annual visit is a rip and should be boycotted by cruisers. Hey Snipper, if a $300 fee keeps you out of the cruising ground, I'd suggest they increase it to $600, just to make sure I don't run into you and your friends. I'd definitely pony up a bit more of my cruising kitty so the anchorages are less crowded with freeloaders. bb |
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On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 16:17:28 -0600, Skipper wrote:
The fact is, this $300 entry fee would be history if Floriduh reciprocated with a Piggly Wiggly fee for them. Piggly Wiggly fee? So now you expect Florida to impose a fee on Bahamians who take your wife for a ride, just because they expect cruisers to foot some of the expenses imposed on the Bahamian's due to their cruising life style? Get real, dude. bb |
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On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 01:07:49 GMT, bb wrote:
I'd definitely pony up a bit more of my cruising kitty so the anchorages are less crowded with freeloaders. Frankly, I think that was the whole idea. It also cuts down on the daytrippers and weekenders in 20 ft boats. |
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"Bryan" wrote in message om... " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT com wrote in message . .. We will be out on the Lake as usual during the summer, most likely tubing or at our favorite swimming holes. We have just put a deposit down on a rental house on Put-In-Bay for the week of July 22-30 (Christmas in July weekend) and will be trailering the boat up with us. Unless I can find a fixed dock, we will probably keep it on a buoy on the bay for the week, knowing that Saturday and most of Sunday will be booked or taken by the time we arrive. Jim, I just took a look at Put-In-Bay photos out of curiosity. What's with the Christmas in July theme? Bryan It is just a play on Christmas in the midst of summer that took on a life of it's own. http://www.putinbayphotos.com/xmasjuly/xmasjuly.htm http://spotted.funcoast.com/displayi...album=26&pos=7 http://www.beadwhore.com/gallery/pib.htm http://spotted.funcoast.com/displayi...ed&cat=0&pos=3 http://www.christmasreviews.com/wrayfogg.shtml This is perhaps the busiest weekend on the island and dedicated to drunks and more drunks. We have no plans on going into town during the weekend evenings and I would not planned the vacation during that weekend. But the son of the other family going with us, a US Marine currently serving in Iraq, wanted it so he got it. The island is actually quite fun during the week. ;-) The quieter side of the island: http://www.putinbay.com/ |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 01:07:49 GMT, bb wrote: It also cuts down on the daytrippers and weekenders in 20 ft boats. That was the whole point. Daytrippers (particularly those who are fishing) deplete the resources without putting a penny into the Bahamian economy. They want people to stay and spend money. |
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" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT com wrote in message ... "Bryan" wrote in message om... " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT com wrote in message . .. We will be out on the Lake as usual during the summer, most likely tubing or at our favorite swimming holes. We have just put a deposit down on a rental house on Put-In-Bay for the week of July 22-30 (Christmas in July weekend) and will be trailering the boat up with us. Unless I can find a fixed dock, we will probably keep it on a buoy on the bay for the week, knowing that Saturday and most of Sunday will be booked or taken by the time we arrive. Jim, I just took a look at Put-In-Bay photos out of curiosity. What's with the Christmas in July theme? Bryan It is just a play on Christmas in the midst of summer that took on a life of it's own. http://www.putinbayphotos.com/xmasjuly/xmasjuly.htm http://spotted.funcoast.com/displayi...album=26&pos=7 http://www.beadwhore.com/gallery/pib.htm http://spotted.funcoast.com/displayi...ed&cat=0&pos=3 http://www.christmasreviews.com/wrayfogg.shtml This is perhaps the busiest weekend on the island and dedicated to drunks and more drunks. We have no plans on going into town during the weekend evenings and I would not planned the vacation during that weekend. But the son of the other family going with us, a US Marine currently serving in Iraq, wanted it so he got it. The island is actually quite fun during the week. ;-) The quieter side of the island: http://www.putinbay.com/ Thanks for the links. Looks like a celebration! I'm sure it's a great time for all. Still, you've got to wonder if any boating gets done? Do they have shore boats for folks staying on the moorings? |
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"Bryan" wrote in message . net... " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT com wrote in message ... "Bryan" wrote in message om... " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT com wrote in message . .. We will be out on the Lake as usual during the summer, most likely tubing or at our favorite swimming holes. We have just put a deposit down on a rental house on Put-In-Bay for the week of July 22-30 (Christmas in July weekend) and will be trailering the boat up with us. Unless I can find a fixed dock, we will probably keep it on a buoy on the bay for the week, knowing that Saturday and most of Sunday will be booked or taken by the time we arrive. Jim, I just took a look at Put-In-Bay photos out of curiosity. What's with the Christmas in July theme? Bryan It is just a play on Christmas in the midst of summer that took on a life of it's own. http://www.putinbayphotos.com/xmasjuly/xmasjuly.htm http://spotted.funcoast.com/displayi...album=26&pos=7 http://www.beadwhore.com/gallery/pib.htm http://spotted.funcoast.com/displayi...ed&cat=0&pos=3 http://www.christmasreviews.com/wrayfogg.shtml This is perhaps the busiest weekend on the island and dedicated to drunks and more drunks. We have no plans on going into town during the weekend evenings and I would not planned the vacation during that weekend. But the son of the other family going with us, a US Marine currently serving in Iraq, wanted it so he got it. The island is actually quite fun during the week. ;-) The quieter side of the island: http://www.putinbay.com/ Thanks for the links. Looks like a celebration! I'm sure it's a great time for all. Still, you've got to wonder if any boating gets done? Do they have shore boats for folks staying on the moorings? Harbor taxi's. The mooring buoys are a great place to get away from the downtown crowds and rafting at the docks. http://put-in-bay.com/maps/boatinginfo.html Scroll down to private dockage - mooring buoys. ================================== Harbor Taxi: The Boardwalk Harbor Taxi provides shuttle service between the mooring buoys and the Doller Dock (Boardwalk). Water taxi hours are 8 am to midnight Sunday through Thursday and 7 am to 1 am on Friday and Saturday. Call 419-285-6183. No tours. Monitoring channel 10. ============================ |
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bb wrote:
On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 16:17:28 -0600, Skipper wrote: The fact is, this $300 entry fee would be history if Floriduh reciprocated with a Piggly Wiggly fee for them. Piggly Wiggly fee? So now you expect Florida to impose a fee on Bahamians who take your wife for a ride, just because they expect cruisers to foot some of the expenses imposed on the Bahamian's due to their cruising life style? Get real, dude. bb BB, Isn't it possible to disagree with Skipper without the personal insults? -- Reggie ************************************************** ********************* If you would like to make rec.boats an enjoyable place to discuss boating, please do not respond to the political and inflammatory off- topic posts and flames. ************************************************** ********************* |
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On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 22:29:07 -0500, Reggie Smithers
wrote: bb wrote: On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 16:17:28 -0600, Skipper wrote: The fact is, this $300 entry fee would be history if Floriduh reciprocated with a Piggly Wiggly fee for them. Piggly Wiggly fee? So now you expect Florida to impose a fee on Bahamians who take your wife for a ride, just because they expect cruisers to foot some of the expenses imposed on the Bahamian's due to their cruising life style? Get real, dude. bb BB, Isn't it possible to disagree with Skipper without the personal insults? Ya know, I was wondering the same thing. Here is a legitimate thread, providing information for both sides. But, it has to be drug down by a few who can't resist going to attack mode. Un-real! As for the thread, no, cruise ship passengers aren't required to pay a fee to get off the ship onto a Bahama Island. -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes |
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JohnH wrote:
On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 22:29:07 -0500, Reggie Smithers wrote: bb wrote: On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 16:17:28 -0600, Skipper wrote: The fact is, this $300 entry fee would be history if Floriduh reciprocated with a Piggly Wiggly fee for them. Piggly Wiggly fee? So now you expect Florida to impose a fee on Bahamians who take your wife for a ride, just because they expect cruisers to foot some of the expenses imposed on the Bahamian's due to their cruising life style? Get real, dude. bb BB, Isn't it possible to disagree with Skipper without the personal insults? Ya know, I was wondering the same thing. Here is a legitimate thread, providing information for both sides. But, it has to be drug down by a few who can't resist going to attack mode. Un-real! As for the thread, no, cruise ship passengers aren't required to pay a fee to get off the ship onto a Bahama Island. Skipper, The beauty about the tax, is you and anyone else who does not want to pay the tax, just just avoid going to the Bahamas, If enough people "boycott" the Bahamas, then they will resend the tax. My feeling is it will stop some of the "cruisers" who anchor in the Bahamas for the winter, but don't really spend much money locally. My feeling is those who are contributing to the local economy really won't care about the $300 tax. They will consider the $300 tax a pittance to the money they will spend in gas, fishing and entertainment they spend in the Bahamas. I think the $300 tax is doing exactly what the Bahamians wanted when they set up the tax. Discourage the boaters and cruisers who were not spending money in the Bahamas, from utilizing the services and natural beauty of the islands. -- Reggie ************************************************** ********************* If you would like to make rec.boats an enjoyable place to discuss boating, please do not respond to the political and inflammatory off- topic posts and flames. ************************************************** ********************* |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 17:57:55 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Skipper's trolling. ==================== Dang, who would have guessed. All the time I was thinking that he had a legitimate issue that was keeping him from cruising the Bahamas. My guess that the Bahamian's instituted the charges to discourage the riff raff who were trying to go there on the cheap and live off the land. Looks like they got one. It's nice of him to be concerned about my expenses though. :-) Wayne, I figured that Skipper was trolling for a boating discussion. It really doesn't matter if he will ever go to the Bahamas or if most of us will ever bring out boats there. His post encourages On Topic posts, even if you disagree with him. |
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Reggie Smithers wrote:
The beauty about the tax, is you and anyone else who does not want to pay the tax, just just avoid going to the Bahamas, If enough people "boycott" the Bahamas, then they will resend the tax. I see very little "beauty" in *any* additional taxes. Matter of fact, I can remember a day not too distant where boaters found great freedom in boating. Made no dif whether the local lake or distant shore, boating had much more "beauty" before politicians stuck their mugs into the picture. Before this current PC big government culture developed, *exorbitant* tributes and "fees" extracted on foreign shores were considered a form of extortion or piracy. Now, precisely because we remain silent and not retaliate, we pay $20+++ per head to enter Mexico and $300 to enter Burmuda. I'm for tougher borders and Piggly Wiggly fees for those who gouge us. My feeling is it will stop some of the "cruisers" who anchor in the Bahamas for the winter, but don't really spend much money locally. My feeling is those who are contributing to the local economy really won't care about the $300 tax. They will consider the $300 tax a pittance to the money they will spend in gas, fishing and entertainment they spend in the Bahamas. Those rationales were not used by the supporters of the fee when it was initiated. They sold it as rich Americans paying for their "suffering." It was sold as income redistribution and support for their "infrustructure." I think the $300 tax is doing exactly what the Bahamians wanted when they set up the tax. Discourage the boaters and cruisers who were not spending money in the Bahamas, from utilizing the services and natural beauty of the islands. And I think allowing this targeted abuse against boaters without retaliation just encourages more of the same in the future. -- Skipper |
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Reggie Smithers wrote:
Wayne, I figured that Skipper was trolling for a boating discussion. It really doesn't matter if he will ever go to the Bahamas or if most of us will ever bring out boats there. His post encourages On Topic posts, even if you disagree with him. Wayne's posit illustrates precisely what is wrong with Floriduh boating today. Look no further than Fort Lauderdale, even his $300,000 Hatts are being pushed out in favor of megayachts and condos. There was nothing in his posit that supports the boating culture or boaters in general. And saddest of all, he really doesn't care... -- Skipper |
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Skipper wrote:
Reggie Smithers wrote: The beauty about the tax, is you and anyone else who does not want to pay the tax, just just avoid going to the Bahamas, If enough people "boycott" the Bahamas, then they will resend the tax. I see very little "beauty" in *any* additional taxes. Matter of fact, I can remember a day not too distant where boaters found great freedom in boating. Made no dif whether the local lake or distant shore, boating had much more "beauty" before politicians stuck their mugs into the picture. Before this current PC big government culture developed, *exorbitant* tributes and "fees" extracted on foreign shores were considered a form of extortion or piracy. Now, precisely because we remain silent and not retaliate, we pay $20+++ per head to enter Mexico and $300 to enter Burmuda. I'm for tougher borders and Piggly Wiggly fees for those who gouge us. My feeling is it will stop some of the "cruisers" who anchor in the Bahamas for the winter, but don't really spend much money locally. My feeling is those who are contributing to the local economy really won't care about the $300 tax. They will consider the $300 tax a pittance to the money they will spend in gas, fishing and entertainment they spend in the Bahamas. Those rationales were not used by the supporters of the fee when it was initiated. They sold it as rich Americans paying for their "suffering." It was sold as income redistribution and support for their "infrustructure." I think the $300 tax is doing exactly what the Bahamians wanted when they set up the tax. Discourage the boaters and cruisers who were not spending money in the Bahamas, from utilizing the services and natural beauty of the islands. And I think allowing this targeted abuse against boaters without retaliation just encourages more of the same in the future. -- Skipper Skipper, Have you contacted your senators and congressman? A usage fee charged to those who use a service provided by the government is the fairest way to pay for governmental services. Since boaters do utilize the local infrastructure and services (ie police, coast guard, roads, water etc) and many bring all of their own food and do not spend money at the local restaurants, hotels, casinos etc. to me it makes sense for them to charge boaters a "usage fee". If you are against the concept of usage fee, it would make more sense for you to lobby against motel/hotel, airport and rental car taxes used in most American Cities. They are the exact some "usage fee" that the Bahamians charge boaters. The Bahamians might say the usage fee is their retaliation against our exorbitant taxes we impose on their citizens. ; ) -- Reggie ************************************************** ********************* If you would like to make rec.boats an enjoyable place to discuss boating, please do not respond to the political and inflammatory off- topic posts and flames. ************************************************** ********************* |
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Skipper wrote:
The post was not intended to be racist, but reflective of the inspiration for the racist fee. It was black Bahamian politicians who fought for the outrageous fees...and their rationale for the fees have been well documented in newspapers at the time of the Bahamian debate. Check it out...unless you believe we "owe" them. And about Floriduh, well Floriduh is Floriduh, and West is best, IMO. Your mileage may differ. Now, if you believe the Bahamian cruising fee of $300 is justified or that Floriduh is not Floriduh, make you case. I'll then make mine and we'll see where the chips fall. -- Skipper congrats on being the first killfile member of 2006. an honor richly deserved... |
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DownTime wrote:
congrats on being the first killfile member of 2006. an honor richly deserved... Jeese, Tampa Bay musta been eliminated. Mercy killing I'd bet. -- Skipper |
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Skipper wrote:
Reggie Smithers wrote: Wayne, I figured that Skipper was trolling for a boating discussion. It really doesn't matter if he will ever go to the Bahamas or if most of us will ever bring out boats there. His post encourages On Topic posts, even if you disagree with him. Wayne's posit illustrates precisely what is wrong with Floriduh boating today. Look no further than Fort Lauderdale, even his $300,000 Hatts are being pushed out in favor of megayachts and condos. There was nothing in his posit that supports the boating culture or boaters in general. And saddest of all, he really doesn't care... -- Skipper Skipper, I support boating, but I am not sure what you mean by the "boating culture" if you mean local governments should bow to the demands of transient boaters, I disagree with you. I would hate to think local governments would ignore the needs of the locals over the needs of a cruising community. If the local goverments think transients boaters are benificial to the local economy they will encourage the transients to come to their area. If they do not, it makes sense for them to impose a "usage fee" on those using their services. A similar comparison would be if RV users demanded that all communities in beautiful areas or popular tourist areas demanded local governments provide free parking for their RV's. It is not reasonable for the RV'ers or the Cruisers to expect to utilize anchorage or parking without a fee. -- Reggie ************************************************** ********************* If you would like to make rec.boats an enjoyable place to discuss boating, please do not respond to the political and inflammatory off- topic posts and flames. ************************************************** ********************* |
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Reggie Smithers wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 17:57:55 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Skipper's trolling. ==================== Dang, who would have guessed. All the time I was thinking that he had a legitimate issue that was keeping him from cruising the Bahamas. My guess that the Bahamian's instituted the charges to discourage the riff raff who were trying to go there on the cheap and live off the land. Looks like they got one. It's nice of him to be concerned about my expenses though. :-) Wayne, I figured that Skipper was trolling for a boating discussion. It really doesn't matter if he will ever go to the Bahamas or if most of us will ever bring out boats there. His post encourages On Topic posts, even if you disagree with him. If the Bahamas boat tax was only applied to Americans, I could agree with Skipper. I also think Canada should start imposing additional fees/taxes on our exports of natural gas, crude oil & electricity to the US as a pay back for the Bush administrations shameful antics in the softwood lumber dispute. see: http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/softwood_lumber/ |
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