Bahamas Boycott
 

thunder wrote:

Then your admonishment is a post late. Besides the post's racist intent,
I wasn't aware that "Floriduh" was the well-mannered name for that
southern state.

The post was not intended to be racist, but reflective of the
inspiration for the racist fee. It was black Bahamian politicians who
fought for the outrageous fees...and their rationale for the fees have
been well documented in newspapers at the time of the Bahamian debate.
Check it out...unless you believe we "owe" them.

And about Floriduh, well Floriduh is Floriduh, and West is best, IMO.
Your mileage may differ.

Now, if you believe the Bahamian cruising fee of $300 is justified or
that Floriduh is not Floriduh, make you case. I'll then make mine and
we'll see where the chips fall.

--
Skipper

Bahamas Boycott
 

William Bruce wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:

I'm certain cruisers everywhere will heed your admonition, Skipper, but
why is the fee of any concern to you? It's not as if you cruise to the
Bahamas or anywhere else.



To all members of this newsgroup:
Per our agreement, please ignore this transparent attempt to sabotage our
new accord to remain well-mannered.

William



Maybe you should heed your own advice!

Boating Plans for 2006
 

I am going to MN this summer for a week. Other than that it will be the
usual. Central IN fishing. I might go to Lake Barkley this summer for a
couple of days. Then to Lake Monroe (home of John Mellencamp). With probably
one short trip to Michigan City by the pier and or Trail Creek when the
Skamania run starts.

"DownTime" wrote in message
...
What, if anything are y'all planning to do this year? Anything new?
anything different?

For us, it will be a lot of the same inshore fishing the Pine Island,
Matlacha with the exception being hopefully catching our targeted quarry
more often. Will venture out some, weather permitting to the Gulf for some
offshore bottom fishing and probably get back to diving a bit more
regularily. Then we have the summer trips to the keys for lobster and some
offshore blue water trolling.

Come late spring / early summer we are looking to get a few more tarpon
memories and my neighbor wants to try for tarpon by kayak in the
Caloosahatchee. I may just bring my video camera and let him go first. Has
anyone fished for and landed a tarpon fishing from a kayak?

I expect quite a wild ride and come to think of it, the area we 'found' is
maybe about two miles from home. It does pay to go fishing with people who
know better than you thought you did. I guess you can always learn
something new. ;)

Bahamas Boycott
 

Skippy,
Still trolling I see!!!!


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Skipper wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote:

I'd like to get over to the Abacos for about 3 weeks in early spring...

All pleasure boats entering the Bahamas must now purchase at their first
Port of Entry a $150 cruising permit for boats up to 35 feet and $300
for boats over 35 feet *each year*. Paying $300 just to enter a port for
an annual visit is a rip and should be boycotted by cruisers. This "fee"
was imposed by black Bahamian politicians because they believe the
Floriduh boaters cruising the 90 miles to visit their islands are all
rich and should be made to pay for their suffering on the islands.
Actually, any Bahamian entering any Floriduh business such as a Publix,
Piggly Wiggly, or even an area hospital should be charged a $300 use fee
just for entering the premises. The fee can be used for manatee
protection...

--
Skipper


"...*black* Bahamian politicians..." Nice bit of racism there.

I'm certain cruisers everywhere will heed your admonition, Skipper, but
why is the fee of any concern to you? It's not as if you cruise to the
Bahamas or anywhere else.

Bahamas Boycott
 

On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 11:47:47 -0600, Skipper wrote:

All pleasure boats entering the Bahamas must now purchase at their first
Port of Entry a $150 cruising permit for boats up to 35 feet and $300
for boats over 35 feet *each year*.

===================================

That's all old news. It's their country and they set the rules. If
you go for 3 weeks it works out to about $15 a day and includes
fishing licenses for everyone on the boat. In the grand scheme of
cruising on a decent sized boat, $15 a day is peanuts compared to
diesel, dockage, maintenance, etc. Fully loaded operating costs for a
sportfish in the 40 to 50 ft range are well over $100/hour.

Bahamas Boycott
 

FREDO wrote:

All pleasure boats entering the Bahamas must now purchase at their first
Port of Entry a $150 cruising permit for boats up to 35 feet and $300
for boats over 35 feet *each year*. Paying $300 just to enter a port for
an annual visit is a rip and should be boycotted by cruisers. This "fee"
was imposed by black Bahamian politicians because they believe the
Floriduh boaters cruising the 90 miles to visit their islands are all
rich and should be made to pay for their suffering on the islands.
Actually, any Bahamian entering any Floriduh business such as a Publix,
Piggly Wiggly, or even an area hospital should be charged a $300 use fee
just for entering the premises. The fee can be used for manatee
protection...

Still trolling I see!!!!

I favor serving a little reciprocal Piggly Wiggly fee on the Bahamians,
do you? Why should we not reciprocate?

--
Skipper

Bahamas Boycott
 

"Wayne.B" wrote:

Skipper wrote:

All pleasure boats entering the Bahamas must now purchase at their first
Port of Entry a $150 cruising permit for boats up to 35 feet and $300
for boats over 35 feet *each year*.

That's all old news. It's their country and they set the rules.

No sir, I set my own rules. I've researched this outrageous bilking of
American pleasure boaters, understand the roots of the fee, and believe
both a boycott and reciprocal fee for Bahamians entering this country is
in order. The fact is, this $300 entry fee would be history if Floriduh
reciprocated with a Piggly Wiggly fee for them.

If you go for 3 weeks it works out to about $15 a day and includes
fishing licenses for everyone on the boat. In the grand scheme of
cruising on a decent sized boat, $15 a day is peanuts compared to
diesel, dockage, maintenance, etc.

That $300 entry fee is over and above all other expenses and is not
insignificant for most recreational boaters. The fee is very much like a
reverse poll tax and effectively closes these waters to many boaters.
I'm in favor of open access to recreational waters.

Fully loaded operating costs for a sportfish in the 40 to 50 ft range
are well over $100/hour.

Tough beans, most recreational cruising boats in the 40' to 50' range
are able to operate for much less than $100 per hr. What would you judge
the operational costs to run a Skookum 53 ketch over to Aruba?

--
Skipper

Bahamas Boycott
 

On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 17:57:55 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Skipper's trolling.

====================

Dang, who would have guessed. All the time I was thinking that he had
a legitimate issue that was keeping him from cruising the Bahamas. My
guess that the Bahamian's instituted the charges to discourage the
riff raff who were trying to go there on the cheap and live off the
land. Looks like they got one.

It's nice of him to be concerned about my expenses though.

:-)

Bahamas Boycott
 

"Wayne.B" wrote:

All the time I was thinking that he had a legitimate issue...

There is a legitimate and ongoing boycott of the Bahamas over this
issue. Goggle Bahamas boycott or check what Boat US has to say on the
subject.

--
Skipper

Bahamas Boycott
 

On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 16:17:28 -0600, Skipper wrote:

Fully loaded operating costs for a sportfish in the 40 to 50 ft range
are well over $100/hour.

Tough beans, most recreational cruising boats in the 40' to 50' range
are able to operate for much less than $100 per hr. What would you judge
the operational costs to run a Skookum 53 ketch over to Aruba?

=======================

A Skookum is not a sportfish, it is a long range cruiser. Different
beast. Given that fully loaded costs include amortization,
maintenance, dockage and insurance, I'd be willing to bet that the
costs of running one are higher than you'd think.

What is your experience with costs for a 40 to 50 ft sportfish?

Sorry, I had trouble hearing that.

Here are my numbers for a used 50 ft Hatt:

Purchase price $300K, annualized amortization around $40K

Annual insurance, 12 months, tropics - about $5K

Fuel at 50 gph, 300 hours/yr, 15,000 gals, about $40K at today's
prices.

Dockage at $800/mo, $10K/yr

Maintenance, approx $20/hour, 6K/yr @ 300 hrs

So far we are at just over $100K/yr with no bottom painting, cleaning,
waxing, and no major overhauls.

Dividing $100K by 300 hours, I'm getting about $330/hour.

The only significant savings with a Skookum are for fuel and
maintenance. The rest is about the same.