Gene Kearns wrote:
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On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 03:53:17 GMT in rec.boats, NOYB penned the
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I do know that we
do not need a license to fish from a dock in salt water.

That's only true if you're a resident of Florida...or if the pier that
you're fishing from has a blanket license that covers everybody fishing from
it. Non-residents need a license anytime they're fishing.

Are you a Florida resident?

Untrue. You don't need a sal****er license in FL if you are a citizen
fishing from a structure fixed to land.
http://taxcol.martin.fl.us/fishing.asp

I think all states on the Atlantic Coast now require sal****er
licenses.... excepting two or three. I don't think DE has one, not
sure about NJ, and NC will have one in 2007.

Anybody know if I missed one?

The goal is for all of the states to have licensing... We have to buy
Federal licenses, now, for HMS.....

--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/ Homepage*
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats

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Yes, I am a real Florida resident (5th generation) and not a
transplant. Furhtermore, "ignorance of the law is no excuse" is
nonsense. For example, if you missed an arcane part of the tax code
that hardly anybody knew and you ended up losing your house you'd be
justifiably ****ed. Laws are meant to be applied intelligently, not
blindly as absolutes rarely make sense. I have no problem with the
law, it is the absolute enforcement of such when enforcement does more
harm than good that I dislike. I would hope the wildlife officer would
use discretion when enforcing the law but my experience with the Fl
Marine Patrol gives me little hope for that. My experience says that
it is best to hide ALL activities from law enforcement people lest they
find some excuse to cite you.

On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 09:06:43 -0500, "Bert Robbins" wrote:


"NOYB" wrote in message
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wrote in message
oups.com...
I do know that we
do not need a license to fish from a dock in salt water.

That's only true if you're a resident of Florida...or if the pier that
you're fishing from has a blanket license that covers everybody fishing
from it. Non-residents need a license anytime they're fishing.

Are you a Florida resident?

At Point Lookout, MD you need a license to fish off of the Potomac River
side of the pier but, on the Chesapeake Bay side of the pier you don't need
a fishing license. But, if your hook drifts to the river side you are going
to need a fishing license.



Unless I'm reading this wrong, you need a license to fish in the Bay, if over 16
years old:

************************************************** *****************
GENERAL INFORMATION ABOUT SPORT FISHING
AND CRABBING LICENSES IN MARYLAND

*NOTE: Individuals under the age of 16 are not required to obtain a license to sport
fish/crab. They can, however,
purchase a recreational crab license if they desire to catch the bushel of crabs
allowed with that license.

* Non-Tidal/Freshwater Fishing License Information:
o Resident License: $10.50
Allows Maryland residents to fish in the fresh waters of Maryland from
January 1 through December 31.

o Resident Senior Consolidated License: $5.00 Allows Maryland residents who
are 65 years of age or older, or will become 65 years of age in the current calendar
year, to fish in the fresh waters of Maryland (including trout) and in the Chesapeake
Bay and it’s tributaries from January 1 through December 31. A trout stamp is not
required.


o Resident 5-day Non-tidal License: $7.50 Allows Maryland residents to fish
the fresh waters of Maryland for 5 consecutive fishing days.

o Non-Resident Non-tidal License: Fee varies by state. See link below for
fee chart. Allows a non-resident to fish in the fresh waters of Maryland from January
1 through December 31.

o Non-Resident 5-day Non-tidal License: Fee varies by state. See link below
for fee chart. Allows a non-resident to fish in the fresh waters of Maryland for 5
consecutive fishing days.

o Non-Resident 3 day Non-tidal License: Fee varies by state. See link below
for fee chart. Allows a non-resident to fish in the fresh waters of Maryland for 3
consecutive fishing days.

o Trout Stamp: Resident/Non-Resident: $5.00 Allows anyone 16 years of age
or older to fish in any special catch and return trout management area and to possess
trout taken from non-tidal waters of Maryland. *If you have the Resident Senior
Consolidated License, this stamp is not required.


o Resident/Non-Resident License for the Blind: Complimentary Allows a blind
resident or non-resident to fish tidal and fresh waters of Maryland from January 1
through December 31.

o DAV/POW Complimentary Non-Tidal License: Complimentary Allows Maryland
residents who are former prisoners of war or 100% service connected disabled veterans
to fish in the fresh waters of Maryland from January 1 through December 31. The
applicant for a complimentary license must furnish a letter of certification from the
Veteran’s Administration with their initial application.

o Replacement Non-Tidal Licenses: Resident/Non-Resident: $1.00

o Replacement Trout Stamp: Resident/Non-Resident: $1.00
+ Replacement licenses are issued only at the DNR Regional Service
Centers.
Contact your local service center for further information.

Locate a Service Center
(http://www.dnr.state.md.us/service/center.htm)

Non-Resident Non-Tidal Fishing License Fees
(http://www.dnr.state.md.us/service/fishingcost.asp)

Non-Tidal Fishing Rules, Regulations and Seasons
(http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries.../regindex.html)

* Tidal/Bay Sport Fishing License Information:
o Resident License: $9.00 Allows Maryland residents to fish in the
Chesapeake Bay and it’s tributaries from January 1 through December 31.

o Resident Senior Consolidated License: $5.00 Allows Maryland residents who
are 65 years of age or older, or will become 65 years of age in the current calendar
year, to fish in the fresh waters of Maryland (including trout) and in the Chesapeake
Bay and it’s tributaries from January 1 through December 31. A trout stamp is not
required.

o Resident 5-Day Bay Sport License: $6.00 Allows Maryland residents to fish
in the Chesapeake Bay and it’s tributaries for 5 consecutive days.

o Non-Resident License: $14.00 Allows a non-resident to fish in the
Chesapeake Bay and it’s tributaries from January 1 through December31.

o Non-Resident 5-Day Bay Sport License: $6.00: Allows a non-resident to
fish in the Chesapeake Bay and it’s tributaries for 5 consecutive days.

o Consolidated Bay Sport Boat License: $40.00 Allows everyone onboard a
boat used for pleasure to recreationally fish and crab in the Chesapeake Bay and it’s
tributaries. Also allows the boat owner named on the license to recreationally fish
and crab from locations other than the boat.

o Replacement Tidal/Bay Sport Fishing Licenses: $1.00

o Replacement Consolidated Bay Sport Boat License: $5.00
+ Replacement licenses are issued only at the DNR Regional Service
Centers.
Contact your local service center for further information.

o Bay Sport Charter Boat License: Up to 6 Passengers-$240.00; More than 6
Passengers-$290.00 Allows individuals on board chartered vessels to fish in the
Chesapeake Bay and it’s tributaries without obtaining an individual license. These
licenses are issued only to holders of Maryland Commercial Fishing Guide Licenses.


--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

On 2 Jan 2006 08:12:09 -0800, "
wrote:


Gene Kearns wrote:
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On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 03:53:17 GMT in rec.boats, NOYB penned the
following thoughts:


wrote in message
roups.com...
I do know that we
do not need a license to fish from a dock in salt water.

That's only true if you're a resident of Florida...or if the pier that
you're fishing from has a blanket license that covers everybody fishing from
it. Non-residents need a license anytime they're fishing.

Are you a Florida resident?

Untrue. You don't need a sal****er license in FL if you are a citizen
fishing from a structure fixed to land.
http://taxcol.martin.fl.us/fishing.asp

I think all states on the Atlantic Coast now require sal****er
licenses.... excepting two or three. I don't think DE has one, not
sure about NJ, and NC will have one in 2007.

Anybody know if I missed one?

The goal is for all of the states to have licensing... We have to buy
Federal licenses, now, for HMS.....

--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/ Homepage*
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats

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Yes, I am a real Florida resident (5th generation) and not a
transplant. Furhtermore, "ignorance of the law is no excuse" is
nonsense. For example, if you missed an arcane part of the tax code
that hardly anybody knew and you ended up losing your house you'd be
justifiably ****ed. Laws are meant to be applied intelligently, not
blindly as absolutes rarely make sense. I have no problem with the
law, it is the absolute enforcement of such when enforcement does more
harm than good that I dislike. I would hope the wildlife officer would
use discretion when enforcing the law but my experience with the Fl
Marine Patrol gives me little hope for that. My experience says that
it is best to hide ALL activities from law enforcement people lest they
find some excuse to cite you.

I can get the pertinent fishing regulation booklet into my shirt pocket. Can you do
the same with the tax code?

For each species of fish there are dates and sizes. What is arcane about the legal
dates and sizes for redfish in Florida? For example:

Red Drum (Redfish) Not less than 18" nor more than 27" One per person per day

That's really not difficult to comprehend, and the whole regulation would probably
fit in your back pocket. The basic recreational sal****er regulations take up two
pages. He

http://myfwc.com/marine/Regulations/..._JULY_2005.pdf

Now you'll never have the worry again.

Your experience with law enforcement is different from mine. If DNR wants to see
what's in my cooler, they're more than welcome. I *like* them keeping folks honest.

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

wrote in message
oups.com...
NOYB strikes me as being the kind of blathering moron that gives
authority such a bad reputation. I did the right thing and neither you
or any other brownosing self appointed expert can tell me or her
anything different.

You kept a fish that may have been illegal to keep...and your guilty
conscience led you to sneak it off the dock in plain view of your 9 year old
daughter.

That's not "doing right thing".

Fishing rules were made to keep the fish from
being overfished, if you think they should be enforced just to make a
point of harassing a 9 yr old then you are a sicko.
The fish was gonna
die, we ate it, tough **** asshole.

You really don't have a clue.

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...
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On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 03:53:17 GMT in rec.boats, NOYB penned the
following thoughts:


wrote in message
groups.com...
I do know that we
do not need a license to fish from a dock in salt water.

That's only true if you're a resident of Florida...or if the pier that
you're fishing from has a blanket license that covers everybody fishing
from
it. Non-residents need a license anytime they're fishing.

Are you a Florida resident?

Untrue.

Nope, true. Read below.

You don't need a sal****er license in FL if you are a citizen
fishing from a structure fixed to land.
http://taxcol.martin.fl.us/fishing.asp

If you're a *citizen of Florida*.

A sal****er fishing license is required for:
Anyone fishing from a pleasure craft. Each person fishing must have a
license on their person.

Anyone fishing from a sandbar or other land mass that is accessible by
boat, or by swimming through water deeper than (3) feet.

Anyone diving who takes, attempts to take, or possess any marine fish.

ALL NON-RESIDENTS FISHING IN SALWATER (EXCLUDING THOSE NON-RESIDENTS
FISHING FROM A LICENSED PIER).



Kids under 16 don't need a license, however.

wrote in message
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Gene Kearns wrote:
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On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 03:53:17 GMT in rec.boats, NOYB penned the
following thoughts:


wrote in message
roups.com...
I do know that we
do not need a license to fish from a dock in salt water.

That's only true if you're a resident of Florida...or if the pier that
you're fishing from has a blanket license that covers everybody fishing
from
it. Non-residents need a license anytime they're fishing.

Are you a Florida resident?

Untrue. You don't need a sal****er license in FL if you are a citizen
fishing from a structure fixed to land.
http://taxcol.martin.fl.us/fishing.asp

I think all states on the Atlantic Coast now require sal****er
licenses.... excepting two or three. I don't think DE has one, not
sure about NJ, and NC will have one in 2007.

Anybody know if I missed one?

The goal is for all of the states to have licensing... We have to buy
Federal licenses, now, for HMS.....

--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/
Homepage*
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats

Agent Version 3.2 Build 806

Yes, I am a real Florida resident (5th generation) and not a
transplant.

Then you have no excuse for not knowing the regulations. You're a Florida
resident *and* you speak English *and* you have access to the internet:
http://floridafisheries.com/rules.html



Furhtermore, "ignorance of the law is no excuse" is
nonsense. For example, if you missed an arcane part of the tax code
that hardly anybody knew and you ended up losing your house you'd be
justifiably ****ed.

Everybody who goes into a bait shop to buy tackle and shrimp can pick up a
free copy of the regulations. This isn't a law that "hardly anybody knew".


Laws are meant to be applied intelligently, not
blindly as absolutes rarely make sense. I have no problem with the
law, it is the absolute enforcement of such when enforcement does more
harm than good that I dislike. I would hope the wildlife officer would
use discretion when enforcing the law but my experience with the Fl
Marine Patrol gives me little hope for that. My experience says that
it is best to hide ALL activities from law enforcement people lest they
find some excuse to cite you.

My experience says that if you do nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide.

wrote in message
oups.com...

wrote:
It was too foggy all day so I allowed my 9 year old daughter to fish
from the dock. I am no fisherman and normally have no tackle but I had
found a reel in the coastal cleanup a couple monthsa ago. I cannot
identify fish and have no idea what is legal or not. I do know that we
do not need a license to fish from a dock in salt water. However, I
bought some hooks, sinkers and shrimp for bait and she fished ALL day
with no luck. She was seriously determined and finally around 4:00 pm,
suddenly she caught a largish fish with a spot on its tail. Another
sailor identified it as a Redfish and I happen to know there is a size
limit on them but nobody present anywhere nearby knew what it was. I
had to try to explain to my tearful daughter that we could get in
trouble for keeping it (I later learned the minimum size is 18" and
this looked larger) as I have heard horror stories of encounters with
the marine patrol over Redfish. I told her to try for something else
(I was hoping for something like a yellowtail that I know is legal) but
she caught another Redfish which I threw back with her crying and
asking why. Damn, then she caught another, threw it back with her
crying in frustration. CRAP, she catches another pestilential Redfish
but this one had swallowed the hook. I could not get the hook out even
with needle nose pliers without serious damage to the fish that would
kill it. Fortunately, we were out of bait but what to do wiht the
dying Redfish? It was smaller than the first three and my personal
ethic says dont kill it unless you will eat it so I hid it under my
coat and put it in the car.
What did my daughter learn from this experience with authority?
Does my daughter really have to carry a book of outdoor regs just to
fish from a dock?
Is there a way to write or enforce wildlife laws that does not turn 9
yr olds into anarchists?


Why not explain to your daughter about the joys of catch and release
fishing?
Why would she have to be in tears because you couldn't (or didn't) kill
the fish?
A lot of sportsmen release everything they catch.

"Many men go fishing all of their lives without knowing that it is not fish
they are after. "-- Henry David Thoreau

NOYB wrote:

My experience says that if you do nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide.

That's true, right up to the point where the people who decide "right
and wrong" move the goalposts. Moral and ethical absolutes remain
constant, but "legal" standards blow all over the landscape sbject to a
lot of variables.

One of the problems with the pastime of fishing, at least locally, is
that its nearly a full time job to keep up with the regulations. This
area is open, then that area is open, then some area that was scheduled
to open doesn't while some other area has the season extended
unexpectedly. You can kill Fish A but you have to release Fish B,
unless such and such a pararagraph in subsection X applies as recorded
on page 72 of a pamphlet that was out of stock at the bait shop. Screw
it. It's just easier to buy fish at the market.
(Maybe that's one of the objectives for the regulators: keeping the
rules confusing tends to minimize the number of people fishing)

wrote:
Yes, I am a real Florida resident (5th generation) and not a
transplant. Furhtermore, "ignorance of the law is no excuse" is
nonsense. For example, if you missed an arcane part of the tax code
that hardly anybody knew and you ended up losing your house you'd be
justifiably ****ed. Laws are meant to be applied intelligently, not
blindly as absolutes rarely make sense. I have no problem with the
law, it is the absolute enforcement of such when enforcement does more
harm than good that I dislike. I would hope the wildlife officer would
use discretion when enforcing the law but my experience with the Fl
Marine Patrol gives me little hope for that. My experience says that
it is best to hide ALL activities from law enforcement people lest they
find some excuse to cite you.


At the beginning of this thread I was sort of on your side, but you lost
me. You are claiming to be 5th generation Florida 'real resident' and
you have no idea about fishing regulations? Do you ever watch the news
or read a paper? Ever read the amendments on the ballot when you vote?
Your attack on NYOB is WAY out of line.

You were able to find a store to buy hooks and bait, next time ask
questions while you are there. If a local bait shop, they will probably
also help yo show you how to tie different knots and what best to use
for your area.

Just because you disagree with a law does not mean it is ok for a 9yr
old to learn the wrong way to do things. I disagree with the over
zealous manatee regulations, but I abide by the laws. I will video tape
and report violators. It is the few who abuse the laws in place who
lead to more laws enacted by those who probably have never seen, let
alont swan with a manatee in the wild. I have and I have the video to
proove it.

If you choose to take your daughter fishing, it is YOUR responsibility
to learn the laws and educate your daughter.

wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:

My experience says that if you do nothing wrong, you have nothing to
hide.

That's true, right up to the point where the people who decide "right
and wrong" move the goalposts. Moral and ethical absolutes remain
constant, but "legal" standards blow all over the landscape sbject to a
lot of variables.

The slot limit has been the same for the past 6 years that I've been in
Florida.