"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
...
JimH,
I also run Adware and Spybot every few weeks, (this is an old habit I have
from before I updated to ZA Security Suite). Since I update the databases
on a fairly frequent basis, when I run Adware and Spybot, they very rarely
catch any spyware that got by ZA Security Suite.

I ran Spybot a week ago, and SpyBot did not show any Spyware on my
computer. I just ran Ad-Aware SE before I sent this post and it did not
catch any Spyware on my computer.

I have ZoneAlarm Suite set not to allow tracking cookies (on medium
setting)

In the past ZoneAlarm and ZoneAlarm Plus did not do a good job of catching
Spyware, based upon my usage of ZA Internet Security Suite, it really has
done a good job of catching Spyware.

YMMV


" JimH" wrote in message
...

"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
. ..
ZoneAlarm Security Suite has done a great job for me, for over a year.
I have not had a problem with Spyware or a Virus even though I do
download freeware and trialware from many sites.

I picked this based upon the recommendations of CNET.
"ZoneAlarm Security Suite puts Norton and McAfee to shame with its
easy-to-use triple-layer firewall, antivirus, antispam, and now
antispyware features."
http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-3667_7-6375268.html





"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

" JimH" wrote in message
...

"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 01:02:32 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
news:a07pq11b9gab0f0764h9qlourn1jvm6trp@4ax .com...
On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 00:07:34 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
news:791pq15flf2609seskcrgjfg9mmdfe0kd2@4 ax.com...
On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 23:04:59 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

Oh please...freeware is not automatically equal to spyware. If
you don't
trust Tucows, visit www.download.com (cNet) instead. It's
somewhat more
businesslike, and they really do check things carefully.

======================================

CNET has come in for their share of grief also. I was a
downloader
par excellence at one time but I've backed off after a few bad
experiences. If someone is charging decent money for the
software, at
least there's an organization to go after if it messes up your
computer. I prefer to let others do the beta testing.


If you had a real firewall, you wouldn't give a damn about spyware,
John.
What firewall do you use?


I wasn't the one worried about the spyware. I'm the one who
suggested the
program to
be downloaded. I use McAfee, spybot, and adaware. So far I've been
pretty
lucky.
--
John H

**** May your Christmas be Spectacular!****
*****...and your New Year even Better!*****

McAfee *what*? Does it include a firewall which controls *outbound*
nasties?
The one that's included with Windows XP only deals with inbound
stuff.


McAfee Personal Firewall Plus. You specify, for each program, what it
can do. You can
allow or block inbound or outbound or both.
--
John H

**** May your Christmas be Spectacular!****
*****...and your New Year even Better!*****



A firewall alone will not stop spyware.

Recommended programs to install:

Spydefense
Microsoft Antispyware
SpywareBlaster
Adaware
Spybot

The first 3 run in the background using very little resources. You
manually scan your system with the last 2 after updating the
definitions.

I believe all are free.


It depends on what you mean by "stop". For years, ZoneAlarm has been
able to stop *any* program trying to send data outbound without your
permission. It was up to you to determine a course of action when a
detection was made. Recently, the program added the ability to detect
the actual identity of spyware, in the same way as Adaware and Spybot.




Sure. Try running the programs I suggested to see what a good job
ZoneAlarm has done for you blocking spyware.

I guarantee you that you will be amazed at how much spyware you have on
your machine if you rely on ZoneAlarm only.




Oops.

http://www.snapfiles.com/reviews/Spy...pydefense.html

" JimH" wrote in message
. ..

Sure. Try running the programs I suggested to see what a good job
ZoneAlarm has done for you blocking spyware.

I guarantee you that you will be amazed at how much spyware you have on
your machine if you rely on ZoneAlarm only.




Oops.

http://www.snapfiles.com/reviews/Spy...pydefense.html


Even "good" software can cause some interesting, evil conflicts with things
like sound & video drivers. It's one reason why you shouldn't continually
try all sorts of stuff. When these conflicts occur, it's enough to drive you
nuts, especially since uninstall routines cannot reverse the problem much of
the time.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
" JimH" wrote in message
...

Sure. Try running the programs I suggested to see what a good job
ZoneAlarm has done for you blocking spyware.

I guarantee you that you will be amazed at how much spyware you have on
your machine if you rely on ZoneAlarm only.




Oops.

http://www.snapfiles.com/reviews/Spy...pydefense.html


Even "good" software can cause some interesting, evil conflicts with
things like sound & video drivers. It's one reason why you shouldn't
continually try all sorts of stuff. When these conflicts occur, it's
enough to drive you nuts, especially since uninstall routines cannot
reverse the problem much of the time.


I have not had a problem so far (knock on wood) running the programs I
listed.

" JimH" wrote in message
. ..

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
" JimH" wrote in message
m...

Sure. Try running the programs I suggested to see what a good job
ZoneAlarm has done for you blocking spyware.

I guarantee you that you will be amazed at how much spyware you have
on your machine if you rely on ZoneAlarm only.




Oops.

http://www.snapfiles.com/reviews/Spy...pydefense.html


Even "good" software can cause some interesting, evil conflicts with
things like sound & video drivers. It's one reason why you shouldn't
continually try all sorts of stuff. When these conflicts occur, it's
enough to drive you nuts, especially since uninstall routines cannot
reverse the problem much of the time.


I have not had a problem so far (knock on wood) running the programs I
listed.


Keep doing those backups..... :-)

I've had a couple of machines which got so screwed up by software-initiated
device conflicts that I had to reformat & reinstall from scratch. You've
probably seen machines which simply freeze while you're doing absolutely
nothing to deserve it. If it's a home machine, maybe it's not a big deal.
But, I've had it happen twice with the machine I run my business with. Not
good. Now, I install nothing experimental on that machine, ever.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
news

" JimH" wrote in message
. ..

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
" JimH" wrote in message
om...

Sure. Try running the programs I suggested to see what a good job
ZoneAlarm has done for you blocking spyware.

I guarantee you that you will be amazed at how much spyware you have
on your machine if you rely on ZoneAlarm only.




Oops.

http://www.snapfiles.com/reviews/Spy...pydefense.html


Even "good" software can cause some interesting, evil conflicts with
things like sound & video drivers. It's one reason why you shouldn't
continually try all sorts of stuff. When these conflicts occur, it's
enough to drive you nuts, especially since uninstall routines cannot
reverse the problem much of the time.


I have not had a problem so far (knock on wood) running the programs I
listed.


Keep doing those backups..... :-)

Yep. I backup not only to a partition on my hard drive but more importantly
on an external hard drive. I am most worried about my pictures and music
files.

I use Acronis True Image and it has saved me a couple of times already.

I have now gotten into the habit of backing up the entire drive weekly.



I've had a couple of machines which got so screwed up by
software-initiated device conflicts that I had to reformat & reinstall
from scratch. You've probably seen machines which simply freeze while
you're doing absolutely nothing to deserve it. If it's a home machine,
maybe it's not a big deal. But, I've had it happen twice with the machine
I run my business with. Not good. Now, I install nothing experimental on
that machine, ever.

Even it is a home machine it takes days to get it tweaked the way you like
it after a new and clean install of all your programs.

JimH,

I am glad this works well for you, and out of curiousity I ran the program.

After the initial scan, SpyDefense (Beta) told me I had some critical errors
and needed to run the Advance Scan. After running the Advance Scan it found
3 Medium Threat issues. One was for software that I want, and was the paid
Adware Free Software that it incorrectly identified as the Adware Supported
Software, both use the same file name. The other two were orphan entries in
the registry, and the files they reference (BHO's) are not on my computer.
One was for EDonkey, and BHO.WebSearch-Toolbar.A (Wintools -a BHO).
HiJackThis showed the only BHOs installed on my computer was Google Toolbar
and Adobe,

At this point I wanted to see what the experts recommended. Snapfiles rated
SpyDefense as Fair. ZDNet, Download.com, PCWorld, Tuscows, Shareware.com
and CNet.com does not have this product, or even include it in their
ratings or reviews.

All of the experts I have read do rate ZoneAlarm Security Suite as the best
Internet Suite Software.

from PCWorld:

ZoneAlarm deals with existing spyware in a more traditional manner, by
scanning your system for infections. To gauge ZoneAlarm's effectiveness at
this task, I tested it and compared it with the free versions of Lavasoft
Ad-Aware SE Personal and Spybot Search and Destroy 1.4. ZoneAlarm Security
Suite removed an impressive 80 percent of the active adware and spyware
components, while Ad-Aware knocked out 63 percent and Spybot got 59 percent.

Despite my occasional disappointment with SmartDefense, I found ZoneAlarm
Internet Security Suite 6 a solid product, offering an excellent firewall
and above-average spyware removal. The suite is probably best suited for
experienced users who don't mind responding to a bevy of program alerts."


I am glad you have found this to be a good product, but based upon my very
limited experience, I have removed it from my computer.




" JimH" wrote in message
. ..

"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
...
JimH,
I also run Adware and Spybot every few weeks, (this is an old habit I
have
from before I updated to ZA Security Suite). Since I update the
databases
on a fairly frequent basis, when I run Adware and Spybot, they very
rarely
catch any spyware that got by ZA Security Suite.

I ran Spybot a week ago, and SpyBot did not show any Spyware on my
computer. I just ran Ad-Aware SE before I sent this post and it did not
catch any Spyware on my computer.

I have ZoneAlarm Suite set not to allow tracking cookies (on medium
setting)

In the past ZoneAlarm and ZoneAlarm Plus did not do a good job of
catching
Spyware, based upon my usage of ZA Internet Security Suite, it really
has
done a good job of catching Spyware.

YMMV


" JimH" wrote in message
...

"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
. ..
ZoneAlarm Security Suite has done a great job for me, for over a year.
I have not had a problem with Spyware or a Virus even though I do
download freeware and trialware from many sites.

I picked this based upon the recommendations of CNET.
"ZoneAlarm Security Suite puts Norton and McAfee to shame with its
easy-to-use triple-layer firewall, antivirus, antispam, and now
antispyware features."
http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-3667_7-6375268.html





"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

" JimH" wrote in message
...

"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 01:02:32 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
news:a07pq11b9gab0f0764h9qlourn1jvm6trp@4a x.com...
On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 00:07:34 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
news:791pq15flf2609seskcrgjfg9mmdfe0kd2@ 4ax.com...
On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 23:04:59 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

Oh please...freeware is not automatically equal to spyware. If
you don't
trust Tucows, visit www.download.com (cNet) instead. It's
somewhat more
businesslike, and they really do check things carefully.

======================================

CNET has come in for their share of grief also. I was a
downloader
par excellence at one time but I've backed off after a few bad
experiences. If someone is charging decent money for the
software, at
least there's an organization to go after if it messes up your
computer. I prefer to let others do the beta testing.


If you had a real firewall, you wouldn't give a damn about
spyware,
John.
What firewall do you use?


I wasn't the one worried about the spyware. I'm the one who
suggested the
program to
be downloaded. I use McAfee, spybot, and adaware. So far I've been
pretty
lucky.
--
John H

**** May your Christmas be Spectacular!****
*****...and your New Year even Better!*****

McAfee *what*? Does it include a firewall which controls *outbound*
nasties?
The one that's included with Windows XP only deals with inbound
stuff.


McAfee Personal Firewall Plus. You specify, for each program, what
it
can do. You can
allow or block inbound or outbound or both.
--
John H

**** May your Christmas be Spectacular!****
*****...and your New Year even Better!*****



A firewall alone will not stop spyware.

Recommended programs to install:

Spydefense
Microsoft Antispyware
SpywareBlaster
Adaware
Spybot

The first 3 run in the background using very little resources. You
manually scan your system with the last 2 after updating the
definitions.

I believe all are free.


It depends on what you mean by "stop". For years, ZoneAlarm has been
able to stop *any* program trying to send data outbound without your
permission. It was up to you to determine a course of action when a
detection was made. Recently, the program added the ability to detect
the actual identity of spyware, in the same way as Adaware and Spybot.




Sure. Try running the programs I suggested to see what a good job
ZoneAlarm has done for you blocking spyware.

I guarantee you that you will be amazed at how much spyware you have on
your machine if you rely on ZoneAlarm only.




Oops.

http://www.snapfiles.com/reviews/Spy...pydefense.html