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OT: Internet Security Suites was Yo - John H (and other photo folks)
On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 10:48:21 -0500, "Reggie Smithers"
wrote: ZoneAlarm Security Suite has done a great job for me, for over a year. I have not had a problem with Spyware or a Virus even though I do download freeware and trialware from many sites. I picked this based upon the recommendations of CNET. "ZoneAlarm Security Suite puts Norton and McAfee to shame with its easy-to-use triple-layer firewall, antivirus, antispam, and now antispyware features." http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-3667_7-6375268.html "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... " JimH" wrote in message ... "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 01:02:32 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message om... On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 00:07:34 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message news:791pq15flf2609seskcrgjfg9mmdfe0kd2@4ax .com... On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 23:04:59 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: Oh please...freeware is not automatically equal to spyware. If you don't trust Tucows, visit www.download.com (cNet) instead. It's somewhat more businesslike, and they really do check things carefully. ====================================== CNET has come in for their share of grief also. I was a downloader par excellence at one time but I've backed off after a few bad experiences. If someone is charging decent money for the software, at least there's an organization to go after if it messes up your computer. I prefer to let others do the beta testing. If you had a real firewall, you wouldn't give a damn about spyware, John. What firewall do you use? I wasn't the one worried about the spyware. I'm the one who suggested the program to be downloaded. I use McAfee, spybot, and adaware. So far I've been pretty lucky. -- John H **** May your Christmas be Spectacular!**** *****...and your New Year even Better!***** McAfee *what*? Does it include a firewall which controls *outbound* nasties? The one that's included with Windows XP only deals with inbound stuff. McAfee Personal Firewall Plus. You specify, for each program, what it can do. You can allow or block inbound or outbound or both. -- John H **** May your Christmas be Spectacular!**** *****...and your New Year even Better!***** A firewall alone will not stop spyware. Recommended programs to install: Spydefense Microsoft Antispyware SpywareBlaster Adaware Spybot The first 3 run in the background using very little resources. You manually scan your system with the last 2 after updating the definitions. I believe all are free. It depends on what you mean by "stop". For years, ZoneAlarm has been able to stop *any* program trying to send data outbound without your permission. It was up to you to determine a course of action when a detection was made. Recently, the program added the ability to detect the actual identity of spyware, in the same way as Adaware and Spybot. I used Zone Alarm when I first got the cable modem. Then I started having problems. Cox advised getting rid of Zone Alarm, which I did. Maybe (I'm sure) they've gotten some of the bugs worked out. I might give it another shot based on your recommendation. -- John H **** May your Christmas be Spectacular!**** *****...and your New Year even Better!***** |
Yo - John H (and other photo folks)
I like Mailwasher Pro, because in one click it erases 10 -30 Spam messages
that seem to come in overnight. "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 08:52:42 -0500, " JimH" wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message . .. On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 01:02:32 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message m... On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 00:07:34 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message news:791pq15flf2609seskcrgjfg9mmdfe0kd2@4ax. com... On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 23:04:59 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: Oh please...freeware is not automatically equal to spyware. If you don't trust Tucows, visit www.download.com (cNet) instead. It's somewhat more businesslike, and they really do check things carefully. ====================================== CNET has come in for their share of grief also. I was a downloader par excellence at one time but I've backed off after a few bad experiences. If someone is charging decent money for the software, at least there's an organization to go after if it messes up your computer. I prefer to let others do the beta testing. If you had a real firewall, you wouldn't give a damn about spyware, John. What firewall do you use? I wasn't the one worried about the spyware. I'm the one who suggested the program to be downloaded. I use McAfee, spybot, and adaware. So far I've been pretty lucky. -- John H **** May your Christmas be Spectacular!**** *****...and your New Year even Better!***** McAfee *what*? Does it include a firewall which controls *outbound* nasties? The one that's included with Windows XP only deals with inbound stuff. McAfee Personal Firewall Plus. You specify, for each program, what it can do. You can allow or block inbound or outbound or both. -- John H **** May your Christmas be Spectacular!**** *****...and your New Year even Better!***** A firewall alone will not stop spyware. Recommended programs to install: Spydefense Microsoft Antispyware SpywareBlaster Adaware Spybot The first 3 run in the background using very little resources. You manually scan your system with the last 2 after updating the definitions. I believe all are free. You must have missed a post. I'm using the last two in addition to the firewall. The program I forgot to mention, which I think is fantastic, is Mailwasher Pro. It's a spam filter that let's one identify and delete spam while still on the server. It takes a little setup, but allows blacklisting by address, by domain name, and by any filters one desires. It's available at: http://www.firetrust.com/ I very seldom get spam emails on my computer. I've never (knock on wood) had a virus, so I've been very lucky. -- John H **** May your Christmas be Spectacular!**** *****...and your New Year even Better!***** |
Internet Security Suites was Yo - John H (and other photo folks)
On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 11:14:35 -0500, thunder wrote:
On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 11:02:20 -0500, JimH wrote: My protection consists of the programs listed above plus ZoneAlarm plus Avast antivirus (automatic updates and scans every night). My protection consists of running non-Microsoft products. ;-) Sorry, I couldn't resist. I think that's a good idea. I use Internet Explorer only if I must download something from Microsoft. They won't let Mozilla in for some reason. :) -- John H **** May your Christmas be Spectacular!**** *****...and your New Year even Better!***** |
Internet Security Suites was Yo - John H (and other photo folks)
On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 17:40:19 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote: On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 15:55:56 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Reggie Smithers" wrote in message m... ZoneAlarm Security Suite has done a great job for me, for over a year. I have not had a problem with Spyware or a Virus even though I do download freeware and trialware from many sites. I picked this based upon the recommendations of CNET. "ZoneAlarm Security Suite puts Norton and McAfee to shame with its easy-to-use triple-layer firewall, antivirus, antispam, and now antispyware features." http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-3667_7-6375268.html Yeah...PC Magazine has been consistent in their support for ZA , also. I currently use it as firewall, but not the full security suite with av protection. I'm still using Norton Antivirus for that. This computer's about the be replaced, though. I may go with the all-in-one ZA on the next one. We'll see. I'll tell you - I like the Norton over the ZA - I've had connectivity problems with ZA and it's random - very annoying. I don't know why PC magazine rates it so high unless they have some geek chained up in a back room to fix the problems. Norton works just fine for me - my computer is locked up tighter than a drum. That's the way ZA treated me. Glad to hear it wasn't just my total stupidity. -- John H **** May your Christmas be Spectacular!**** *****...and your New Year even Better!***** |
Internet Security Suites was Yo - John H (and other photo folks)
JohnH and Tom,
I thought I was dumb as dirt, (and according to my kids, I am getting dumber by the day) but it looks like their are people dumber than I am. ;) Thanks for a wonderful Christmas present. "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 17:40:19 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 15:55:56 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Reggie Smithers" wrote in message om... ZoneAlarm Security Suite has done a great job for me, for over a year. I have not had a problem with Spyware or a Virus even though I do download freeware and trialware from many sites. I picked this based upon the recommendations of CNET. "ZoneAlarm Security Suite puts Norton and McAfee to shame with its easy-to-use triple-layer firewall, antivirus, antispam, and now antispyware features." http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-3667_7-6375268.html Yeah...PC Magazine has been consistent in their support for ZA , also. I currently use it as firewall, but not the full security suite with av protection. I'm still using Norton Antivirus for that. This computer's about the be replaced, though. I may go with the all-in-one ZA on the next one. We'll see. I'll tell you - I like the Norton over the ZA - I've had connectivity problems with ZA and it's random - very annoying. I don't know why PC magazine rates it so high unless they have some geek chained up in a back room to fix the problems. Norton works just fine for me - my computer is locked up tighter than a drum. That's the way ZA treated me. Glad to hear it wasn't just my total stupidity. -- John H **** May your Christmas be Spectacular!**** *****...and your New Year even Better!***** |
Yo - John H (and other photo folks)
On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 17:39:17 -0500, "Reggie Smithers"
wrote: I like Mailwasher Pro, because in one click it erases 10 -30 Spam messages that seem to come in overnight. "JohnH" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 08:52:42 -0500, " JimH" wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 01:02:32 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message om... On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 00:07:34 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message news:791pq15flf2609seskcrgjfg9mmdfe0kd2@4ax .com... On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 23:04:59 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: Oh please...freeware is not automatically equal to spyware. If you don't trust Tucows, visit www.download.com (cNet) instead. It's somewhat more businesslike, and they really do check things carefully. ====================================== CNET has come in for their share of grief also. I was a downloader par excellence at one time but I've backed off after a few bad experiences. If someone is charging decent money for the software, at least there's an organization to go after if it messes up your computer. I prefer to let others do the beta testing. If you had a real firewall, you wouldn't give a damn about spyware, John. What firewall do you use? I wasn't the one worried about the spyware. I'm the one who suggested the program to be downloaded. I use McAfee, spybot, and adaware. So far I've been pretty lucky. -- John H **** May your Christmas be Spectacular!**** *****...and your New Year even Better!***** McAfee *what*? Does it include a firewall which controls *outbound* nasties? The one that's included with Windows XP only deals with inbound stuff. McAfee Personal Firewall Plus. You specify, for each program, what it can do. You can allow or block inbound or outbound or both. -- John H **** May your Christmas be Spectacular!**** *****...and your New Year even Better!***** A firewall alone will not stop spyware. Recommended programs to install: Spydefense Microsoft Antispyware SpywareBlaster Adaware Spybot The first 3 run in the background using very little resources. You manually scan your system with the last 2 after updating the definitions. I believe all are free. You must have missed a post. I'm using the last two in addition to the firewall. The program I forgot to mention, which I think is fantastic, is Mailwasher Pro. It's a spam filter that let's one identify and delete spam while still on the server. It takes a little setup, but allows blacklisting by address, by domain name, and by any filters one desires. It's available at: http://www.firetrust.com/ I very seldom get spam emails on my computer. I've never (knock on wood) had a virus, so I've been very lucky. -- John H **** May your Christmas be Spectacular!**** *****...and your New Year even Better!***** Once you get brave enough, you can set it so you never even see the messages. I get maybe one or two every couple days that make it through the filters and the blacklists. -- John H **** May your Christmas be Spectacular!**** *****...and your New Year even Better!***** |
Internet Security Suites was Yo - John H (and other photo folks)
On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 17:53:35 -0500, "Reggie Smithers"
wrote: JohnH and Tom, I thought I was dumb as dirt, (and according to my kids, I am getting dumber by the day) but it looks like their are people dumber than I am. ;) Thanks for a wonderful Christmas present. "JohnH" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 17:40:19 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 15:55:56 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Reggie Smithers" wrote in message news:06SdndFA4YNY8DDenZ2dnUVZ_tWdnZ2d@comcast. com... ZoneAlarm Security Suite has done a great job for me, for over a year. I have not had a problem with Spyware or a Virus even though I do download freeware and trialware from many sites. I picked this based upon the recommendations of CNET. "ZoneAlarm Security Suite puts Norton and McAfee to shame with its easy-to-use triple-layer firewall, antivirus, antispam, and now antispyware features." http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-3667_7-6375268.html Yeah...PC Magazine has been consistent in their support for ZA , also. I currently use it as firewall, but not the full security suite with av protection. I'm still using Norton Antivirus for that. This computer's about the be replaced, though. I may go with the all-in-one ZA on the next one. We'll see. I'll tell you - I like the Norton over the ZA - I've had connectivity problems with ZA and it's random - very annoying. I don't know why PC magazine rates it so high unless they have some geek chained up in a back room to fix the problems. Norton works just fine for me - my computer is locked up tighter than a drum. That's the way ZA treated me. Glad to hear it wasn't just my total stupidity. -- John H **** May your Christmas be Spectacular!**** *****...and your New Year even Better!***** When they were younger, my kids thought I was pretty damn stupid. Now they can't believe how much I've learned in the last ten years. (That's not original, but I believe it to be true!) -- John H **** May your Christmas be Spectacular!**** *****...and your New Year even Better!***** |
Internet Security Suites was Yo - John H (and other photo folks)
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 18:24:48 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: I've used ZA for years, and didn't know it could block or allow certain sites. :-) I don't know that you can or can't. What I do know is that it raises hell with sites that I regularly visit and I've had connectivity problems with my ISP and even my own website using ZA. Besides, in my experience, anything highly recommended by PC Magazine is usually geek intensive and that's just not real world. If one of the "trouble sites" is one which anyone can visit (not your bank, in other words), could you provide a link? I'm curious what happens with my ZA running. |
OT: Internet Security Suites was Yo - John H (and other photo folks)
"JohnH" wrote in message ... On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 10:48:21 -0500, "Reggie Smithers" wrote: ZoneAlarm Security Suite has done a great job for me, for over a year. I have not had a problem with Spyware or a Virus even though I do download freeware and trialware from many sites. I picked this based upon the recommendations of CNET. "ZoneAlarm Security Suite puts Norton and McAfee to shame with its easy-to-use triple-layer firewall, antivirus, antispam, and now antispyware features." http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-3667_7-6375268.html "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... " JimH" wrote in message ... "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 01:02:32 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message news:a07pq11b9gab0f0764h9qlourn1jvm6trp@4ax. com... On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 00:07:34 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message news:791pq15flf2609seskcrgjfg9mmdfe0kd2@4a x.com... On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 23:04:59 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: Oh please...freeware is not automatically equal to spyware. If you don't trust Tucows, visit www.download.com (cNet) instead. It's somewhat more businesslike, and they really do check things carefully. ====================================== CNET has come in for their share of grief also. I was a downloader par excellence at one time but I've backed off after a few bad experiences. If someone is charging decent money for the software, at least there's an organization to go after if it messes up your computer. I prefer to let others do the beta testing. If you had a real firewall, you wouldn't give a damn about spyware, John. What firewall do you use? I wasn't the one worried about the spyware. I'm the one who suggested the program to be downloaded. I use McAfee, spybot, and adaware. So far I've been pretty lucky. -- John H **** May your Christmas be Spectacular!**** *****...and your New Year even Better!***** McAfee *what*? Does it include a firewall which controls *outbound* nasties? The one that's included with Windows XP only deals with inbound stuff. McAfee Personal Firewall Plus. You specify, for each program, what it can do. You can allow or block inbound or outbound or both. -- John H **** May your Christmas be Spectacular!**** *****...and your New Year even Better!***** A firewall alone will not stop spyware. Recommended programs to install: Spydefense Microsoft Antispyware SpywareBlaster Adaware Spybot The first 3 run in the background using very little resources. You manually scan your system with the last 2 after updating the definitions. I believe all are free. It depends on what you mean by "stop". For years, ZoneAlarm has been able to stop *any* program trying to send data outbound without your permission. It was up to you to determine a course of action when a detection was made. Recently, the program added the ability to detect the actual identity of spyware, in the same way as Adaware and Spybot. I used Zone Alarm when I first got the cable modem. Then I started having problems. Cox advised getting rid of Zone Alarm, which I did. Maybe (I'm sure) they've gotten some of the bugs worked out. I might give it another shot based on your recommendation. -- John H It used to be that when you called tech support about a software problem (like your machine freezing up), the most popular advice given was to hunt down the latest video & audio drivers. Actually not bad advice, but it was usually the last resort of a frustrated technician. Now, they blame ZoneAlarm for every damned thing. About a month ago, messages I was posting here weren't appearing for hours, if at all. Usually, it's a matter of seconds. I called Frontier to report *their* problem. The guy told me to try shutting down ZoneAlarm. When I asked how it could be that I'd be having this problem just now, when I'd been running ZA for years, he was at a loss to explain. Of course, it had nothing to do with ZA, but I gave up on the guy, and the next day, "my problem" somehow was fixed. The battery in my truck is getting a bit tired after 3 years, and my first thought was that it's about time. However, it turns out that the problem lies with ZoneAlarm. |
OT: Internet Security Suites was Yo - John H (and other photo folks)
On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 19:54:46 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote:
It used to be that when you called tech support about a software problem (like your machine freezing up), the most popular advice given was to hunt down the latest video & audio drivers. Actually not bad advice, but it was usually the last resort of a frustrated technician. Now, they blame ZoneAlarm for every damned thing. About a month ago, messages I was posting here weren't appearing for hours, if at all. Usually, it's a matter of seconds. I called Frontier to report *their* problem. The guy told me to try shutting down ZoneAlarm. When I asked how it could be that I'd be having this problem just now, when I'd been running ZA for years, he was at a loss to explain. Of course, it had nothing to do with ZA, but I gave up on the guy, and the next day, "my problem" somehow was fixed. The battery in my truck is getting a bit tired after 3 years, and my first thought was that it's about time. However, it turns out that the problem lies with ZoneAlarm. LOL! -- John H **** May your Christmas be Spectacular!**** *****...and your New Year even Better!***** |
Internet Security Suites was Yo - John H (and other photo folks)
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... " JimH" wrote in message . .. "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... " JimH" wrote in message om... Sure. Try running the programs I suggested to see what a good job ZoneAlarm has done for you blocking spyware. I guarantee you that you will be amazed at how much spyware you have on your machine if you rely on ZoneAlarm only. Oops. http://www.snapfiles.com/reviews/Spy...pydefense.html Even "good" software can cause some interesting, evil conflicts with things like sound & video drivers. It's one reason why you shouldn't continually try all sorts of stuff. When these conflicts occur, it's enough to drive you nuts, especially since uninstall routines cannot reverse the problem much of the time. I have not had a problem so far (knock on wood) running the programs I listed. Keep doing those backups..... :-) Yep. I backup not only to a partition on my hard drive but more importantly on an external hard drive. I am most worried about my pictures and music files. I use Acronis True Image and it has saved me a couple of times already. I have now gotten into the habit of backing up the entire drive weekly. I've had a couple of machines which got so screwed up by software-initiated device conflicts that I had to reformat & reinstall from scratch. You've probably seen machines which simply freeze while you're doing absolutely nothing to deserve it. If it's a home machine, maybe it's not a big deal. But, I've had it happen twice with the machine I run my business with. Not good. Now, I install nothing experimental on that machine, ever. Even it is a home machine it takes days to get it tweaked the way you like it after a new and clean install of all your programs. |
OT: Internet Security Suites was Yo - John H (and other photo folks)
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 15:49:29 -0500, JohnH wrote: On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 19:54:46 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: It used to be that when you called tech support about a software problem (like your machine freezing up), the most popular advice given was to hunt down the latest video & audio drivers. Actually not bad advice, but it was usually the last resort of a frustrated technician. Now, they blame ZoneAlarm for every damned thing. About a month ago, messages I was posting here weren't appearing for hours, if at all. Usually, it's a matter of seconds. I called Frontier to report *their* problem. The guy told me to try shutting down ZoneAlarm. When I asked how it could be that I'd be having this problem just now, when I'd been running ZA for years, he was at a loss to explain. Of course, it had nothing to do with ZA, but I gave up on the guy, and the next day, "my problem" somehow was fixed. The battery in my truck is getting a bit tired after 3 years, and my first thought was that it's about time. However, it turns out that the problem lies with ZoneAlarm. LOL! Hey, I'm willing to try anything again, but my last experience with ZA, it was virtually useless. According to my brother, who works with managing this stuff all day, told me that sometimes it's not the site, but the carrier that causes the problem. I don't know, I don't care. All I know is that I had problems with it and I didn't like the way it handled popups. With my current configuration of Norton, Popup Blocker, Noadaware and Adaware SE, I'm bullet proof and that's the way I want it. Some good links: http://castlecops.com/postlite7736-.html http://www.safer-networking.org/en/spybotsd/index.html http://www.lavasoft.com/ http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en http://www.a-2.org/en/software/free/ http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/spywareblaster.html http://www.avast.com/eng/avast_4_home.html |
OT: Internet Security Suites was Yo - John H (and other photo folks)
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 15:49:29 -0500, JohnH wrote: On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 19:54:46 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: It used to be that when you called tech support about a software problem (like your machine freezing up), the most popular advice given was to hunt down the latest video & audio drivers. Actually not bad advice, but it was usually the last resort of a frustrated technician. Now, they blame ZoneAlarm for every damned thing. About a month ago, messages I was posting here weren't appearing for hours, if at all. Usually, it's a matter of seconds. I called Frontier to report *their* problem. The guy told me to try shutting down ZoneAlarm. When I asked how it could be that I'd be having this problem just now, when I'd been running ZA for years, he was at a loss to explain. Of course, it had nothing to do with ZA, but I gave up on the guy, and the next day, "my problem" somehow was fixed. The battery in my truck is getting a bit tired after 3 years, and my first thought was that it's about time. However, it turns out that the problem lies with ZoneAlarm. LOL! Hey, I'm willing to try anything again, but my last experience with ZA, it was virtually useless. According to my brother, who works with managing this stuff all day, told me that sometimes it's not the site, but the carrier that causes the problem. I don't know, I don't care. All I know is that I had problems with it and I didn't like the way it handled popups. With my current configuration of Norton, Popup Blocker, Noadaware and Adaware SE, I'm bullet proof and that's the way I want it. As long as you're doing SOMETHING, and you like it, the means don't matter much. I started using ZA when there was no other alternative, or at least not one which was accessible and affordable for individual users. I never really had issues with it, except when my company's tech guy was walking me through the setup of our VPN, which presented some challenges to ZA. That's when I had to delve deeply into those geek screens. I could never duplicate the settings without his help, so I did a print screen for each one, stuck them into a Word doc, and that's pegged to the bulletin board. |
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