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Poll: Broad Optimism in Iraq, But Also Deep Divisions Among Groups On the Eve of the Elections, Most Iraqis Want Iraq To Stay Unified Analysis By GARY LANGER and JON COHEN Dec. 12, 2005 - - Surprising levels of optimism prevail in Iraq with living conditions improved, security more a national worry than a local one, and expectations for the future high. But views of the country's situation overall are far less positive, and there are vast differences in views among Iraqi groups -- a study in contrasts between increasingly disaffected Sunni areas and vastly more positive Shiite and Kurdish provinces. An ABC News poll in Iraq, conducted with Time magazine and other media partners, includes some remarkable results: Despite the daily violence there, most living conditions are rated positively, seven in 10 Iraqis say their own lives are going well, and nearly two-thirds expect things to improve in the year ahead. Surprisingly, given the insurgents' attacks on Iraqi civilians, more than six in 10 Iraqis feel very safe in their own neighborhoods, up sharply from just 40 percent in a poll in June 2004. And 61 percent say local security is good -- up from 49 percent in the first ABC News poll in Iraq in February 2004. http://abcnews.go.com/International/print?id=1389228 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Can't win, Mr. Dean? |
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On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 20:03:01 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:
Poll: Broad Optimism in Iraq, But Also Deep Divisions Among Groups On the Eve of the Elections, Most Iraqis Want Iraq To Stay Unified Analysis By GARY LANGER and JON COHEN Dec. 12, 2005 - - Surprising levels of optimism prevail in Iraq with living conditions improved, security more a national worry than a local one, and expectations for the future high. But views of the country's situation overall are far less positive, and there are vast differences in views among Iraqi groups -- a study in contrasts between increasingly disaffected Sunni areas and vastly more positive Shiite and Kurdish provinces. An ABC News poll in Iraq, conducted with Time magazine and other media partners, includes some remarkable results: Despite the daily violence there, most living conditions are rated positively, seven in 10 Iraqis say their own lives are going well, and nearly two-thirds expect things to improve in the year ahead. Surprisingly, given the insurgents' attacks on Iraqi civilians, more than six in 10 Iraqis feel very safe in their own neighborhoods, up sharply from just 40 percent in a poll in June 2004. And 61 percent say local security is good -- up from 49 percent in the first ABC News poll in Iraq in February 2004. http://abcnews.go.com/International/print?id=1389228 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Can't win, Mr. Dean? The Democrat pundits, including Murtha, are saying 80% of Iraqis want us out now. That ABC poll, which I've not seen on TV *anywhere* yet, says, "Specifically, 26 percent of Iraqis say U.S. and other coalition forces should "leave now" and another 19 percent say they should go after the government chosen in this week's election takes office; that adds to 45 percent." Is ABC telling the truth here? Are all those folks spouting 80% telling the truth? Someone is full of pferdeäpfel. The two paragraphs you quoted sure tell a different story than one hears from NBC, CNN, or any Democrat congress person (except Lieberman, of course). -- John Herring Hope your Christmas is Spectacular, and your New Year even Better! |
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On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 20:03:01 +0000, NOYB wrote:
Can't win, Mr. Dean? Define win. We have traded the lives of over two thousand young Americans, for one SOB. I have a hard time considering that a win. We have shed as much American blood for Iraqi freedom, as we did in our own Revolutionary War. While that survey shows there is hope for Iraq, it isn't all roses. Last year's survey showed similar levels of optimism, but the level of violence increased. There are still high levels of Sunni dissatisfaction, and the insurgency will continue. I have stated that I believe we have to stay the course, but don't be calling this a "win". As for your neo-con dream of having bases to provoke Syria and Iran, forget it. If you read the numbers from that survey, at least 92% of Iraqis want us out. Timing is their only differentiation. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... thunder wrote: On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 20:03:01 +0000, NOYB wrote: Can't win, Mr. Dean? Define win. We have traded the lives of over two thousand young Americans, for one SOB. I have a hard time considering that a win. We have shed as much American blood for Iraqi freedom, as we did in our own Revolutionary War. While that survey shows there is hope for Iraq, it isn't all roses. Last year's survey showed similar levels of optimism, but the level of violence increased. There are still high levels of Sunni dissatisfaction, and the insurgency will continue. I have stated that I believe we have to stay the course, but don't be calling this a "win". As for your neo-con dream of having bases to provoke Syria and Iran, forget it. If you read the numbers from that survey, at least 92% of Iraqis want us out. Timing is their only differentiation. What the Iraqis want most of all is for us to get the hell out of their country so they can get on with the task of dividing up the land into two or three parcels. One of these parcels will align closely with the Iranians, and will continue to be a huge problem for us and the remaining parcel(s). The Kurds may split off, which should be interesting for the remaining parcels and for Turkey. And one chunk will be sort of aligned with us until the Muslim fundies take it over completely, and toss us out. Hopefully, this may come to pass before the 2998 US elections, so even the dumbest of the dumb US voter realizes that George W. Bush and his party of "U.S. uber alles" was on crack cocaine. There is no chance, none whatsoever, that Iraq or any portion of it, is going to settle down and become a real democracy and a Western ally. I watched Presidummy Bush yesterday. It's nice that he finally is admitting publicly that more than 30,000 Iraqis have died to date because of his hubris. Permanent U.S. bases in an independent, united Iran? Not a chance, though they might be there until we are forced out, along with the puppet regime we prop up, ala South vietnam. You must have missed the ABC News poll. Oh, that's right because its findings are contrary to the view the Major Media wants to portray nobody reported it. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Permanent U.S. bases in an independent, united Iran? . Don't get ahead of yourself. It's permanent U.S. bases in an independent Iraq. Iran is later on. |
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NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Permanent U.S. bases in an independent, united Iran? . Don't get ahead of yourself. It's permanent U.S. bases in an independent Iraq. Iran is later on. Yes, in our march toward ruling the entire world.......Heil Bush! |
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Yes, in our march toward ruling the entire world.......Heil Bush!
Brilliant just brilliant! |
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wrote in message ups.com... Yes, in our march toward ruling the entire world.......Heil Bush! Brilliant just brilliant! And Keivn wonders why he is the "King of the NG idiots"???? |
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NOYB wrote:
Poll: Broad Optimism in Iraq, But Also Deep Divisions Among Groups On the Eve of the Elections, Most Iraqis Want Iraq To Stay Unified Analysis By GARY LANGER and JON COHEN Dec. 12, 2005 - - Surprising levels of optimism prevail in Iraq with living conditions improved, security more a national worry than a local one, and expectations for the future high. Gee, that sounds great. When do you suppose public utilities like water & electricity will be supplied at levels comparable to before the US invasion? If the Iraqis are optimistic, that's very good. OTOH it could also be due to the $300 million feel-good publicity campaign recently carried out over there (paid for by our tax money).... DSK |
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On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:43:27 -0500, DSK wrote:
NOYB wrote: Poll: Broad Optimism in Iraq, But Also Deep Divisions Among Groups On the Eve of the Elections, Most Iraqis Want Iraq To Stay Unified Analysis By GARY LANGER and JON COHEN Dec. 12, 2005 - - Surprising levels of optimism prevail in Iraq with living conditions improved, security more a national worry than a local one, and expectations for the future high. Gee, that sounds great. When do you suppose public utilities like water & electricity will be supplied at levels comparable to before the US invasion? If the Iraqis are optimistic, that's very good. OTOH it could also be due to the $300 million feel-good publicity campaign recently carried out over there (paid for by our tax money).... DSK "Average household incomes have soared by 60 percent in the last 20 months (to $263 a month), 70 percent of Iraqis rate their own economic situation positively, and consumer goods are sweeping the country. In early 2004, 6 percent of Iraqi households had cell phones; now it's 62 percent. Ownership of satellite dishes has nearly tripled, and many more families now own air conditioners (58 percent, up from 44 percent), cars, washing machines and kitchen appliances." I wonder why all those people are buying satellite dishes and air conditioners, when they don't have electricity? -- John Herring Hope your Christmas is Spectacular! ....and your New Year even Better! |
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