"NOYB" wrote in message
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So which Big Time Cristians say the following?

"He decided that the only treatment they merited was to have their
fighters
killed, their women taken captive, and their property seized as booty.

Some Orientalists claim that Muhammad was cruel to the Jews, but this is
how determination should be. One must be firm when firmness is warranted,
and gentle when gentleness is warranted."

Pope Urban II issued orders that the Moslem peoples should be all killed and
the holy land freed from the non Christians.

The First Crusade was the most successful from a military point of view.
Accounts of this action are shocking. For example, historian Raymond of
Agiles described the capture of Jerusalem by the Crusaders in 1099:


"Some of our men cut off the heads of their enemies; others shot them with
arrows, so that they fell from the towers; others tortured them longer by
casting them into the flames. Piles of heads, hands and feet were to be seen
in the streets of the city. It was necessary to pick one's way over the
bodies of men and horses. But these were small matters compared to what
happened at the temple of Solomon, a place where religious services ware
ordinarily chanted. What happened there? If I tell the truth, it will exceed
your powers of belief. So let it suffice to say this much at least, that in
the temple and portico of Solomon, men rode in blood up to their knees and
bridle reins."

The Christians of that era were just as cruel and barbaric as what you are
attributing to the Moslems of the time.

Jim C.

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"NOYB" wrote in message
nk.net...
So which Big Time Cristians say the following?

"He decided that the only treatment they merited was to have their
fighters
killed, their women taken captive, and their property seized as booty.

Some Orientalists claim that Muhammad was cruel to the Jews, but this is
how determination should be. One must be firm when firmness is warranted,
and gentle when gentleness is warranted."

Pope Urban II issued orders that the Moslem peoples should be all killed
and
the holy land freed from the non Christians.

The First Crusade was the most successful from a military point of view.
Accounts of this action are shocking. For example, historian Raymond of
Agiles described the capture of Jerusalem by the Crusaders in 1099:


"Some of our men cut off the heads of their enemies; others shot them with
arrows, so that they fell from the towers; others tortured them longer by
casting them into the flames. Piles of heads, hands and feet were to be
seen
in the streets of the city. It was necessary to pick one's way over the
bodies of men and horses. But these were small matters compared to what
happened at the temple of Solomon, a place where religious services ware
ordinarily chanted. What happened there? If I tell the truth, it will
exceed
your powers of belief. So let it suffice to say this much at least, that
in
the temple and portico of Solomon, men rode in blood up to their knees and
bridle reins."

The Christians of that era were just as cruel and barbaric as what you are
attributing to the Moslems of the time.


But Muslim leaders are calling for similar acts today. Name one "Big Time
Christian" leader who is calling for a reenactment of the Crusades.

Most Christians have progressed into a culture of civility. Many Muslims
have not.

"NOYB" wrote in message
k.net...

"Jim Carter" wrote in message
.. .

"NOYB" wrote in message
nk.net...
So which Big Time Cristians say the following?

"He decided that the only treatment they merited was to have their
fighters
killed, their women taken captive, and their property seized as booty.

Some Orientalists claim that Muhammad was cruel to the Jews, but this is
how determination should be. One must be firm when firmness is
warranted,
and gentle when gentleness is warranted."

Pope Urban II issued orders that the Moslem peoples should be all killed
and
the holy land freed from the non Christians.

The First Crusade was the most successful from a military point of view.
Accounts of this action are shocking. For example, historian Raymond of
Agiles described the capture of Jerusalem by the Crusaders in 1099:


"Some of our men cut off the heads of their enemies; others shot them
with
arrows, so that they fell from the towers; others tortured them longer by
casting them into the flames. Piles of heads, hands and feet were to be
seen
in the streets of the city. It was necessary to pick one's way over the
bodies of men and horses. But these were small matters compared to what
happened at the temple of Solomon, a place where religious services ware
ordinarily chanted. What happened there? If I tell the truth, it will
exceed
your powers of belief. So let it suffice to say this much at least, that
in
the temple and portico of Solomon, men rode in blood up to their knees
and
bridle reins."

The Christians of that era were just as cruel and barbaric as what you
are
attributing to the Moslems of the time.


But Muslim leaders are calling for similar acts today. Name one "Big Time
Christian" leader who is calling for a reenactment of the Crusades.

Most Christians have progressed into a culture of civility. Many Muslims
have not.

Whether you wish death upon an enemy in ways you can actually accomplish, or
believe death *should* come to them because of some mythological Armageddon
nonsense in the bible, you're an asshole either way. Nobody's excusing what
Muslim wackos are saying now. However, I *do* know Big Time Christians who
believe it's only right that all the details of Armageddon should actually
come to pass. These people are from one of the biggest evangelical churches
near here - not really what you might call a fringe group.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
k.net...

"Jim Carter" wrote in message
.. .

"NOYB" wrote in message
nk.net...
So which Big Time Cristians say the following?

"He decided that the only treatment they merited was to have their
fighters
killed, their women taken captive, and their property seized as booty.

Some Orientalists claim that Muhammad was cruel to the Jews, but this
is
how determination should be. One must be firm when firmness is
warranted,
and gentle when gentleness is warranted."

Pope Urban II issued orders that the Moslem peoples should be all killed
and
the holy land freed from the non Christians.

The First Crusade was the most successful from a military point of view.
Accounts of this action are shocking. For example, historian Raymond of
Agiles described the capture of Jerusalem by the Crusaders in 1099:


"Some of our men cut off the heads of their enemies; others shot them
with
arrows, so that they fell from the towers; others tortured them longer
by
casting them into the flames. Piles of heads, hands and feet were to be
seen
in the streets of the city. It was necessary to pick one's way over the
bodies of men and horses. But these were small matters compared to what
happened at the temple of Solomon, a place where religious services ware
ordinarily chanted. What happened there? If I tell the truth, it will
exceed
your powers of belief. So let it suffice to say this much at least, that
in
the temple and portico of Solomon, men rode in blood up to their knees
and
bridle reins."

The Christians of that era were just as cruel and barbaric as what you
are
attributing to the Moslems of the time.


But Muslim leaders are calling for similar acts today. Name one "Big
Time Christian" leader who is calling for a reenactment of the Crusades.

Most Christians have progressed into a culture of civility. Many Muslims
have not.

Whether you wish death upon an enemy in ways you can actually accomplish,
or believe death *should* come to them because of some mythological
Armageddon nonsense in the bible, you're an asshole either way.

But the actual debate lies in *who* is actually the enemy. To me, it's the
terrorists trying to blow up civilians. To the terrorists, it's any
non-Muslim...or any non-Muslim sympathizer.

"NOYB" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
k.net...

"Jim Carter" wrote in message
.. .

"NOYB" wrote in message
nk.net...
So which Big Time Cristians say the following?

"He decided that the only treatment they merited was to have their
fighters
killed, their women taken captive, and their property seized as booty.

Some Orientalists claim that Muhammad was cruel to the Jews, but this
is
how determination should be. One must be firm when firmness is
warranted,
and gentle when gentleness is warranted."

Pope Urban II issued orders that the Moslem peoples should be all
killed and
the holy land freed from the non Christians.

The First Crusade was the most successful from a military point of
view.
Accounts of this action are shocking. For example, historian Raymond of
Agiles described the capture of Jerusalem by the Crusaders in 1099:


"Some of our men cut off the heads of their enemies; others shot them
with
arrows, so that they fell from the towers; others tortured them longer
by
casting them into the flames. Piles of heads, hands and feet were to be
seen
in the streets of the city. It was necessary to pick one's way over the
bodies of men and horses. But these were small matters compared to what
happened at the temple of Solomon, a place where religious services
ware
ordinarily chanted. What happened there? If I tell the truth, it will
exceed
your powers of belief. So let it suffice to say this much at least,
that in
the temple and portico of Solomon, men rode in blood up to their knees
and
bridle reins."

The Christians of that era were just as cruel and barbaric as what you
are
attributing to the Moslems of the time.


But Muslim leaders are calling for similar acts today. Name one "Big
Time Christian" leader who is calling for a reenactment of the Crusades.

Most Christians have progressed into a culture of civility. Many
Muslims have not.

Whether you wish death upon an enemy in ways you can actually accomplish,
or believe death *should* come to them because of some mythological
Armageddon nonsense in the bible, you're an asshole either way.

But the actual debate lies in *who* is actually the enemy. To me, it's
the terrorists trying to blow up civilians. To the terrorists, it's any
non-Muslim...or any non-Muslim sympathizer.

At least you said "To the terrorists", instead of "To Muslims". You're
evolving.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
k.net...

"Jim Carter" wrote in message
.. .

"NOYB" wrote in message
nk.net...
So which Big Time Cristians say the following?

"He decided that the only treatment they merited was to have their
fighters
killed, their women taken captive, and their property seized as
booty.

Some Orientalists claim that Muhammad was cruel to the Jews, but this
is
how determination should be. One must be firm when firmness is
warranted,
and gentle when gentleness is warranted."

Pope Urban II issued orders that the Moslem peoples should be all
killed and
the holy land freed from the non Christians.

The First Crusade was the most successful from a military point of
view.
Accounts of this action are shocking. For example, historian Raymond
of
Agiles described the capture of Jerusalem by the Crusaders in 1099:


"Some of our men cut off the heads of their enemies; others shot them
with
arrows, so that they fell from the towers; others tortured them longer
by
casting them into the flames. Piles of heads, hands and feet were to
be seen
in the streets of the city. It was necessary to pick one's way over
the
bodies of men and horses. But these were small matters compared to
what
happened at the temple of Solomon, a place where religious services
ware
ordinarily chanted. What happened there? If I tell the truth, it will
exceed
your powers of belief. So let it suffice to say this much at least,
that in
the temple and portico of Solomon, men rode in blood up to their knees
and
bridle reins."

The Christians of that era were just as cruel and barbaric as what you
are
attributing to the Moslems of the time.


But Muslim leaders are calling for similar acts today. Name one "Big
Time Christian" leader who is calling for a reenactment of the
Crusades.

Most Christians have progressed into a culture of civility. Many
Muslims have not.

Whether you wish death upon an enemy in ways you can actually
accomplish, or believe death *should* come to them because of some
mythological Armageddon nonsense in the bible, you're an asshole either
way.

But the actual debate lies in *who* is actually the enemy. To me, it's
the terrorists trying to blow up civilians. To the terrorists, it's any
non-Muslim...or any non-Muslim sympathizer.

At least you said "To the terrorists", instead of "To Muslims". You're
evolving.

Muslims in general are not the problem. The problem lies with Muslims who
live by the Sharia that is practiced today in the Islamic states...namely
the Wahhabis.

http://www.meta-religion.com/Extremi.../wahhabism.htm

"NOYB" wrote in message
k.net...
But Muslim leaders are calling for similar acts today. Name one "Big
Time
Christian" leader who is calling for a reenactment of the Crusades.

Most Christians have progressed into a culture of civility. Many Muslims
have not.

Pat Robertson, for one. Here is a little quote from his book

"If anybody understood what Hindus really believe, there would be no doubt
that they have no business administering government policies in a country
that favors freedom and equality. ... Can you imagine having the Ayatollah
Ruhollah Khomeini as defense minister, or Mahatma Gandhi as minister of
health, education, and welfare? The Hindu and Buddhist idea of karma and the
Muslim idea of kismet, or fate condemn the poor and the disabled to their
suffering. ... It's the will of Allah. These beliefs are nothing but abject
fatalism, and they would devastate the social gains this nation has made if
they were ever put into practice." --Pat Robertson's "The New World Order,"
page 219.

On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 16:55:51 -0500, "Jim Carter" wrote:


"NOYB" wrote in message
nk.net...
But Muslim leaders are calling for similar acts today. Name one "Big
Time
Christian" leader who is calling for a reenactment of the Crusades.

Most Christians have progressed into a culture of civility. Many Muslims
have not.

Pat Robertson, for one. Here is a little quote from his book

"If anybody understood what Hindus really believe, there would be no doubt
that they have no business administering government policies in a country
that favors freedom and equality. ... Can you imagine having the Ayatollah
Ruhollah Khomeini as defense minister, or Mahatma Gandhi as minister of
health, education, and welfare? The Hindu and Buddhist idea of karma and the
Muslim idea of kismet, or fate condemn the poor and the disabled to their
suffering. ... It's the will of Allah. These beliefs are nothing but abject
fatalism, and they would devastate the social gains this nation has made if
they were ever put into practice." --Pat Robertson's "The New World Order,"
page 219.


Nothing there come's close to your claims.
--
John Herring

Hope your Christmas is Spectacular,
and your New Year even Better!

"Jim Carter" wrote in message
.. .

"NOYB" wrote in message
k.net...
But Muslim leaders are calling for similar acts today. Name one "Big
Time
Christian" leader who is calling for a reenactment of the Crusades.

Most Christians have progressed into a culture of civility. Many Muslims
have not.

Pat Robertson, for one. Here is a little quote from his book

"If anybody understood what Hindus really believe, there would be no doubt
that they have no business administering government policies in a country
that favors freedom and equality. ... Can you imagine having the Ayatollah
Ruhollah Khomeini as defense minister, or Mahatma Gandhi as minister of
health, education, and welfare? The Hindu and Buddhist idea of karma and
the
Muslim idea of kismet, or fate condemn the poor and the disabled to their
suffering. ... It's the will of Allah. These beliefs are nothing but
abject
fatalism, and they would devastate the social gains this nation has made
if
they were ever put into practice." --Pat Robertson's "The New World
Order,"
page 219.

Pat Roberson is an idiot. Anybody that pays attention to him is an idiot
too.

"Jim Carter" wrote in message
.. .

"NOYB" wrote in message
k.net...
But Muslim leaders are calling for similar acts today. Name one "Big
Time
Christian" leader who is calling for a reenactment of the Crusades.

Most Christians have progressed into a culture of civility. Many Muslims
have not.

Pat Robertson, for one. Here is a little quote from his book

"If anybody understood what Hindus really believe, there would be no doubt
that they have no business administering government policies in a country
that favors freedom and equality. ... Can you imagine having the Ayatollah
Ruhollah Khomeini as defense minister, or Mahatma Gandhi as minister of
health, education, and welfare? The Hindu and Buddhist idea of karma and
the
Muslim idea of kismet, or fate condemn the poor and the disabled to their
suffering. ... It's the will of Allah. These beliefs are nothing but
abject
fatalism, and they would devastate the social gains this nation has made
if
they were ever put into practice." --Pat Robertson's "The New World
Order,"
page 219.


Nothing about killing the men, and enslaving the women like our Muslim
fundies want?