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Grin, Christmas shopping is a relatively new aspect of celebrating
Christmas. Dec. 25th was chosen by Constantine because it was the date many
pagans celebrated the winter solstice.

All I have to say is if you have snow outside on Dec.25th, you live too far
to the north.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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No, I'm right. Make a list of things you'd NEVER want to do on Dec 25th,
assuming the things on the list were optional, and you lived in the snow
belt. I'm sure that optional shopping would be on the list.



"Lord Reginald Smithers" The fastest and most accurate Gun in the World
wrote in message ...
LOL, Doug you are a trip.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Lord Reginald Smithers" Ask me about my driveway leading up to my
manor. wrote in message
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JimC,
Why is the fact that Dec. 25th is not the actual birthday of JC matter?
I don't think anyone really thinks 12/25 is his birthday, they use that
annual date to celebrate his birth. It is very common among parents
who adopted children from overseas, to designate a date to celebrate
the child's birthday. They know it is not the actual date, but it
allows them to celebrate their child's birthday. Why is this so hard
to understand?

In my opinion, whoever picked Dec 25 either lived in a warm climate, or
was totally insane. No normal person wants to slog through winter slop
to go shopping.

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Harry,
No where did Jesus say you must be perfect to be a Christian. In reality,
Jesus assumed no man could be perfect, that all men were imperfect by the
nature of man and original sin.


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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John H. wrote:


I've been a Christian all my life.

Don't you mean, you say you are a Christian. If your statements and
behavior here are indicators, you are not following the teachings of
Jesus.

--
Today's Republicans: a Cabal of Corruption.

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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Lord Reginald Smithers" Ask me about my driveway leading up to my
manor. wrote in message
. ..
JimC,
Why is the fact that Dec. 25th is not the actual birthday of JC matter?
I don't think anyone really thinks 12/25 is his birthday, they use that
annual date to celebrate his birth. It is very common among parents who
adopted children from overseas, to designate a date to celebrate the
child's birthday. They know it is not the actual date, but it allows
them to celebrate their child's birthday. Why is this so hard to
understand?

In my opinion, whoever picked Dec 25 either lived in a warm climate, or
was totally insane. No normal person wants to slog through winter slop to
go shopping.

If must have been the big reatilers, they needed a big shopping push to fill
their coffers before the end of the 4th quarter.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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John H. wrote:


I've been a Christian all my life.

Don't you mean, you say you are a Christian. If your statements and
behavior here are indicators, you are not following the teachings of
Jesus.

Harry, you need a new line. The one above is getting old and is borne of
ignorance.

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On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 11:58:35 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

John H. wrote:


I've been a Christian all my life.

Don't you mean, you say you are a Christian. If your statements and
behavior here are indicators, you are not following the teachings of Jesus.

Are you referring to my opinion of you?

Bless you, Harry.

--
John H

MERRY CHRISTMAS!

Wishing you Peace, Fellowship, and Good Humor as we celebrate the birth of OUR Lord, Jesus Christ on the Christmas Holy Day.

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"Jim Carter" wrote in message
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"Lord Reginald Smithers" Ask me about my driveway leading up to my
manor.
wrote in message . ..
JimC,
Why is the fact that Dec. 25th is not the actual birthday of JC matter?
I
don't think anyone really thinks 12/25 is his birthday, they use that
annual
date to celebrate his birth. It is very common among parents who adopted
children from overseas, to designate a date to celebrate the child's
birthday. They know it is not the actual date, but it allows them to
celebrate their child's birthday. Why is this so hard to understand?
You don't have to convince me of that fact! I fully understand the myth
of it. Tell that to the fans of Christmas in this group. I am not one
of
them. I am not a Christian.

Jim C.



And does anyone belittle your beliefs?

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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Jim Carter" wrote in message
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"Lord Reginald Smithers" Ask me about my driveway leading up to my
manor.
wrote in message . ..
JimC,
Why is the fact that Dec. 25th is not the actual birthday of JC matter?
I
don't think anyone really thinks 12/25 is his birthday, they use that
annual
date to celebrate his birth. It is very common among parents who
adopted
children from overseas, to designate a date to celebrate the child's
birthday. They know it is not the actual date, but it allows them to
celebrate their child's birthday. Why is this so hard to understand?
You don't have to convince me of that fact! I fully understand the
myth
of it. Tell that to the fans of Christmas in this group. I am not one
of
them. I am not a Christian.

Jim C.



And does anyone belittle your beliefs?


And JC sure likes to force his beliefs on us. :-)

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" JimH" wrote in message
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Jim Carter" wrote in message
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"Lord Reginald Smithers" Ask me about my driveway leading up to my
manor.
wrote in message . ..
JimC,
Why is the fact that Dec. 25th is not the actual birthday of JC matter?
I
don't think anyone really thinks 12/25 is his birthday, they use that
annual
date to celebrate his birth. It is very common among parents who
adopted
children from overseas, to designate a date to celebrate the child's
birthday. They know it is not the actual date, but it allows them to
celebrate their child's birthday. Why is this so hard to understand?
You don't have to convince me of that fact! I fully understand the
myth
of it. Tell that to the fans of Christmas in this group. I am not one
of
them. I am not a Christian.

Jim C.



And does anyone belittle your beliefs?


And JC sure likes to force his beliefs on us. :-)


No one forces you to go to a Christian Church. So how is that forcing his
beliefs on you? Same as Wal-Mart, or Macy's with their ads forcing shopping
at those stores on you.

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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
nk.net...

" JimH" wrote in message
...

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Jim Carter" wrote in message
...

"Lord Reginald Smithers" Ask me about my driveway leading up to my
manor.
wrote in message . ..
JimC,
Why is the fact that Dec. 25th is not the actual birthday of JC
matter? I
don't think anyone really thinks 12/25 is his birthday, they use that
annual
date to celebrate his birth. It is very common among parents who
adopted
children from overseas, to designate a date to celebrate the child's
birthday. They know it is not the actual date, but it allows them to
celebrate their child's birthday. Why is this so hard to understand?
You don't have to convince me of that fact! I fully understand the
myth
of it. Tell that to the fans of Christmas in this group. I am not
one of
them. I am not a Christian.

Jim C.



And does anyone belittle your beliefs?


And JC sure likes to force his beliefs on us. :-)


No one forces you to go to a Christian Church. So how is that forcing
his beliefs on you? Same as Wal-Mart, or Macy's with their ads forcing
shopping at those stores on you.


Bill, I was being facetious. JC often makes the claim about Christians.

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On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 11:35:43 -0500, John H. wrote:


Well, JC, I'm glad for you. You have no beliefs to be disparaged. I hope
the celebration of Christmas by about 90% of the US doesn't upset you too
much.

I suspect more than 90% celebrate Christmas, but then you don't need to be
a Christian to celebrate it, do you? According to the CIA factbook, only
80% of the population is Christian.

Protestant 52%, Roman Catholic 24%, Mormon 2%, Jewish 1%, Muslim 1%,
other 10%, none 10% (2002 est.)

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/...k/geos/us.html

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On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 16:37:02 +0000, Doug Kanter wrote:


In my opinion, whoever picked Dec 25 either lived in a warm climate, or
was totally insane. No normal person wants to slog through winter slop to
go shopping.

It must be my upbringing, but I've spent several Christmases surrounded by
palm trees. I find it quite strange. Give me snow on Christmas.

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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 17:57:38 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 16:37:02 +0000, Doug Kanter wrote:


In my opinion, whoever picked Dec 25 either lived in a warm climate, or
was totally insane. No normal person wants to slog through winter slop
to
go shopping.

It must be my upbringing, but I've spent several Christmases surrounded by
palm trees. I find it quite strange. Give me snow on Christmas.

Damn straight.

Our family flew into Florida when the kids were young on Christmas Day for a
7 day stay at a nice 3 bedroom condo in Kissimmee and visits to Disney World
and Universal Studios.

We left Cleveland with several inches of snow on the ground and a
temperature in the 20's...............arrived Orlando with 80 degree
temperatures and absolutely gorgeous weather.

It certainly did not feel like Christmas but being able to wear shorts/tee
shirts and go for swims at the condo pool in late December was pretty nice.

That being said............snow on Christmas morning is good..........any
other time sucks.;-)

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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 17:57:38 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 16:37:02 +0000, Doug Kanter wrote:


In my opinion, whoever picked Dec 25 either lived in a warm climate, or
was totally insane. No normal person wants to slog through winter slop
to
go shopping.

It must be my upbringing, but I've spent several Christmases surrounded by
palm trees. I find it quite strange. Give me snow on Christmas.

Damn straight.

Sociopath. :)

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"Lord Reginald Smithers" wrote...

Even if the bible is not an accurate record of historical events, don't you
agree that the principles taught in the new testament are those that are good
for society and individuals?


Why only the new testament?

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Rick,

There are many excellent principles in the old testament.


"-rick-" wrote in message
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"Lord Reginald Smithers" wrote...

Even if the bible is not an accurate record of historical events, don't
you agree that the principles taught in the new testament are those that
are good for society and individuals?


Why only the new testament?

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Tom,
Why is that?


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 16:40:49 -0800, "-rick-" wrote:


"Lord Reginald Smithers" wrote...

Even if the bible is not an accurate record of historical events, don't
you
agree that the principles taught in the new testament are those that are
good
for society and individuals?

Why only the new testament?

Personally, I like the Gnostic Gospels.

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On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 17:53:59 -0500, thunder wrote:

On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 11:35:43 -0500, John H. wrote:


Well, JC, I'm glad for you. You have no beliefs to be disparaged. I hope
the celebration of Christmas by about 90% of the US doesn't upset you too
much.

I suspect more than 90% celebrate Christmas, but then you don't need to be
a Christian to celebrate it, do you? According to the CIA factbook, only
80% of the population is Christian.

Protestant 52%, Roman Catholic 24%, Mormon 2%, Jewish 1%, Muslim 1%,
other 10%, none 10% (2002 est.)

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/...k/geos/us.html

My dentist celebrates Christmas, tree, presents for her kids, office decorations, etc. and she's a
Muslim from Iran. The family just liked the traditions, and so did their kids (duh!).
--
John Herring

Hope your Christmas is Spectacular,
and your New Year even Better!

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"Smithers" wrote...

There are many excellent principles in the old testament.

And also some truly horrible ones. I just wondered why you excluded it. Those
decent and useful principles may be reached and justified through empathy and
rational thought in my opinion, however we don't need to debate that here.
Enjoy the holidays.

-rick-

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On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 22:09:50 -0500, John H. wrote:


My dentist celebrates Christmas, tree, presents for her kids, office
decorations, etc. and she's a Muslim from Iran. The family just liked the
traditions, and so did their kids (duh!). --

I've known more than one Jewish family that have celebrated Christmas.
Although, I would have to say they were ethnically Jewish, and perhaps,
not practicing Jews.

Hope your Christmas is Spectacular,
and your New Year even Better!

So John, with all this Happy Holidays/Merry Christmas hubbub, do you send
two cards out? You know, one for Christmas and one for New Years?
Personally, I always thought that was what Happy Holidays (as in plural)
was about. Stupid me, I never realized it was a communist plot against
that poor downtrodden American minority, Christians.

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"John H." wrote in message
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On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 17:53:59 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 11:35:43 -0500, John H. wrote:


Well, JC, I'm glad for you. You have no beliefs to be disparaged. I
hope
the celebration of Christmas by about 90% of the US doesn't upset you
too
much.

I suspect more than 90% celebrate Christmas, but then you don't need to
be
a Christian to celebrate it, do you? According to the CIA factbook, only
80% of the population is Christian.

Protestant 52%, Roman Catholic 24%, Mormon 2%, Jewish 1%, Muslim 1%,
other 10%, none 10% (2002 est.)

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/...k/geos/us.html

My dentist celebrates Christmas, tree, presents for her kids, office
decorations, etc. and she's a
Muslim from Iran. The family just liked the traditions, and so did their
kids (duh!).

Muslims also celebrate Easter (at least they did the time I was in Egypt)

--
John Herring

Hope your Christmas is Spectacular,
and your New Year even Better!

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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thunder wrote:
On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 22:09:50 -0500, John H. wrote:


My dentist celebrates Christmas, tree, presents for her kids, office
decorations, etc. and she's a Muslim from Iran. The family just liked
the
traditions, and so did their kids (duh!). --

I've known more than one Jewish family that have celebrated Christmas.
Although, I would have to say they were ethnically Jewish, and perhaps,
not practicing Jews.

Hope your Christmas is Spectacular,
and your New Year even Better!

So John, with all this Happy Holidays/Merry Christmas hubbub, do you send
two cards out? You know, one for Christmas and one for New Years?
Personally, I always thought that was what Happy Holidays (as in plural)
was about. Stupid me, I never realized it was a communist plot against
that poor downtrodden American minority, Christians.


I doubt you'd find "practicing Jews" celebrating Christmas, if by
celebrating Christmas you mean believing in the "spiritual" aspects of
Jesus.

You'd be suprised at what some interfaith marriages do to satisfy both
spouses religious beliefs and backgrounds.

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On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 23:00:01 -0500, thunder wrote:

On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 22:09:50 -0500, John H. wrote:


My dentist celebrates Christmas, tree, presents for her kids, office
decorations, etc. and she's a Muslim from Iran. The family just liked the
traditions, and so did their kids (duh!). --

I've known more than one Jewish family that have celebrated Christmas.
Although, I would have to say they were ethnically Jewish, and perhaps,
not practicing Jews.

Hope your Christmas is Spectacular,
and your New Year even Better!

So John, with all this Happy Holidays/Merry Christmas hubbub, do you send
two cards out? You know, one for Christmas and one for New Years?
Personally, I always thought that was what Happy Holidays (as in plural)
was about. Stupid me, I never realized it was a communist plot against
that poor downtrodden American minority, Christians.

One card, two wishes, just as in the sig line.
--
John Herring

Hope your Christmas is Spectacular,
and your New Year even Better!

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On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 07:25:05 -0500, "Bert Robbins" wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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thunder wrote:
On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 22:09:50 -0500, John H. wrote:


My dentist celebrates Christmas, tree, presents for her kids, office
decorations, etc. and she's a Muslim from Iran. The family just liked
the
traditions, and so did their kids (duh!). --

I've known more than one Jewish family that have celebrated Christmas.
Although, I would have to say they were ethnically Jewish, and perhaps,
not practicing Jews.

Hope your Christmas is Spectacular,
and your New Year even Better!

So John, with all this Happy Holidays/Merry Christmas hubbub, do you send
two cards out? You know, one for Christmas and one for New Years?
Personally, I always thought that was what Happy Holidays (as in plural)
was about. Stupid me, I never realized it was a communist plot against
that poor downtrodden American minority, Christians.


I doubt you'd find "practicing Jews" celebrating Christmas, if by
celebrating Christmas you mean believing in the "spiritual" aspects of
Jesus.

You'd be suprised at what some interfaith marriages do to satisfy both
spouses religious beliefs and backgrounds.



In the case of my dentist, they're both Iranian (although they say 'Persian' when asked). They just
like the Christmas traditions we have. I'm not sure, but I strongly doubt they partake in the
Christian religious activities.
--
John Herring

Hope your Christmas is Spectacular,
and your New Year even Better!