Better *Defensive* Handgun
 

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 02:29:38 GMT, Dan Krueger
wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

Dan Krueger wrote:


I'd take a Glock 34 any day over that wheelgun. Fully legal mag on
the Glock holds 17 rounds, standard barrel is 5" long, and if you
need them, lasergrips are available. Oh, and my guess is the
semi-auto mechanism is inherently more accurate than the wheelgun's.

You have a single or double action wheelgun? If double, you keep a
chamber empty for safety's sake? If so, that means the G34 mag holds
more than three times the number of rounds.


How is that 17 round magazine legal? Pre-ban?


Nope. Perfectly legal in Maryland.


I'm not sure how you can say the semi-auto is "inherently" more
accurate than a revolver. A barrel is a barrel. The same bullets
pass through them.

Dan

Dan


How they get to the barrel matters.



How does that affect the accuracy? They still all pass though a barrel.

I know how that can affect the reliability, but that tend to favor the
revolver.

Revolvers rule!! Semi-auto's drool!! :)

Only for accuracy. As a weapons officer of the one of Bay area PD's told me
a long time ago when I use to duck hunt. The average police gun fight has 9
rounds expended and no one is hit. Hard to aim when diving for cover.
Also, he said the other problem he had with new officers, was the belief
that a shotgun could clear the room. The did not understand that the shot
pattern was less than a 10" diameter circle across an average room.

Better *Defensive* Handgun
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 21:20:51 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Dan Krueger wrote:
I'd take a Glock 34 any day over that wheelgun. Fully legal mag on the
Glock holds 17 rounds, standard barrel is 5" long, and if you need
them, lasergrips are available. Oh, and my guess is the semi-auto
mechanism is inherently more accurate than the wheelgun's.

You have a single or double action wheelgun? If double, you keep a
chamber empty for safety's sake? If so, that means the G34 mag holds
more than three times the number of rounds.

How is that 17 round magazine legal? Pre-ban?
Nope. Perfectly legal in Maryland.

I'm not sure how you can say the semi-auto is "inherently" more
accurate than a revolver. A barrel is a barrel. The same bullets pass
through them.
How they get to the barrel matters.

True. However, I much prefer revolvers because they are simpler,
easier to reload (quicker actually) and easier to handle.

Their major disadvantage is number of rounds, but accuracy more than
makes up for it.


Accuracy is key with any gun, but...

A wheel gun isn't necessarily simpler than a modern semi-auto. When you
take the grip off a wheel gun, you see all sorts of pieces and parts to
operate the trigger and hammer, usually. And I would contend that a semi
is easier and faster to reload. With my thumb, I can push a button, drop
out an empty mag, and then slam in a full mag and rack the slide faster
than you can get six rounds into the average wheel gun.

"Easier to handle" is a perception thing, I think.



--
GOP Credo: Just pretend it's all ok.

That is if you have a spare magazine. And with a wheel gun, a "speed
loader" puts all 6 rounds in at one time.

Better *Defensive* Handgun
 

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
snip...
As stated I had problems with the 1911 so I wanted to qualify with my
.357 or .44. Range Officer and Armorer were not in the mood and
insisted that I use standard military issue. I didn't argue because I
knew something they didn't. I barely qualified after six attempts.

About a week later they were notified that they were up for the class
- MY class. :) All of a sudden - "Hey Sarge, I've given that some
thought - want to retry with the revolver?"

Nah - I qualified - that's good enough.

Heh, heh, heh... :)


Didn't make them eat bugs...did you?

Better *Defensive* Handgun
 

"Don White" wrote in message
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Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
snip...
As stated I had problems with the 1911 so I wanted to qualify with my
.357 or .44. Range Officer and Armorer were not in the mood and
insisted that I use standard military issue. I didn't argue because I
knew something they didn't. I barely qualified after six attempts.

About a week later they were notified that they were up for the class
- MY class. :) All of a sudden - "Hey Sarge, I've given that some
thought - want to retry with the revolver?"

Nah - I qualified - that's good enough. Heh, heh, heh... :)


Didn't make them eat bugs...did you?



Probably just *buggers*. ;-)

Better *Defensive* Handgun
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Skipper wrote:
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

Skipper wrote:

So, which is the better *defensive* handgun, a S&W .357 mag fitted with
laser grips or a Glock auto?

.357 mag revolver or a .44 mag revolver.

Simple, effective and never break down.

"I know what you're thinkin', punk. You're thinkin', did he fire six
shots or only five? And to tell you the truth, I forgot myself in all
this excitement. But bein' this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful
handgun in the world, and it'll blow your head clean off, you could ask
yourself a question. Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?"

- Harry Callahan

--
Skipper


Great line, great delivery, but inaccurate. The .454 Casull, for one. was
and is "more powerful."



--
Bush deserves a fair trial!

The .454 was not built at the time of the movie. I hae watched .454 casull
being fired, and decided I did not want to abuse myself that much.

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"thunder" wrote in message
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On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 01:39:30 +0000, Bill McKee wrote:


And loaded with wad cutters with the hollow bottom. With the bullet
upside down. Otherwise you kill some poor neighbor 3 houses away after
the bullet has gone through the intruder and a few walls.

Anyone familiar with frangible bullets? I'm guessing that's what the Air
Marshals were using.

http://www.frangiblebullets.com/

Most places outlaw frangibles I think. I think they are in the cop killer
catagory, like the Black Talon's etc.

Better *Defensive* Handgun
 

On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 23:54:32 -0600, Skipper wrote:

Incorrect, the dot can be seen.

============================

Stop me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the laser sight give up your own
position also?

Better *Defensive* Handgun
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Skipper wrote:
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

Skipper wrote:

So, which is the better *defensive* handgun, a S&W .357 mag fitted with
laser grips or a Glock auto?

.357 mag revolver or a .44 mag revolver.

Simple, effective and never break down.

"I know what you're thinkin', punk. You're thinkin', did he fire six
shots or only five? And to tell you the truth, I forgot myself in all
this excitement. But bein' this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful
handgun in the world, and it'll blow your head clean off, you could ask
yourself a question. Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?"

- Harry Callahan

--
Skipper


Great line, great delivery, but inaccurate. The .454 Casull, for one. was
and is "more powerful."

Nope. Model 500 Smith and Wesson:
http://www.shootingtimes.com/handgun...ster_1103A.jpg

Better *Defensive* Handgun
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Skipper wrote:
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

Skipper wrote:
So, which is the better *defensive* handgun, a S&W .357 mag fitted
with
laser grips or a Glock auto?
.357 mag revolver or a .44 mag revolver.
Simple, effective and never break down.
"I know what you're thinkin', punk. You're thinkin', did he fire six
shots or only five? And to tell you the truth, I forgot myself in all
this excitement. But bein' this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful
handgun in the world, and it'll blow your head clean off, you could ask
yourself a question. Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?"

- Harry Callahan

--
Skipper

Great line, great delivery, but inaccurate. The .454 Casull, for one.
was and is "more powerful."

Nope. Model 500 Smith and Wesson:
http://www.shootingtimes.com/handgun...ster_1103A.jpg




Nope what?
Try reading for content.

Sorry. Thought you said "most powerful".

Det. Callahan could have made his statement factually correct by saying:

"But bein' this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful *production* handgun in
the world..."

Better *Defensive* Handgun
 

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 21:24:10 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 09:00:15 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 10:48:36 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 02:43:53 GMT, Dan Krueger
wrote:

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 21:20:51 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:


Dan Krueger wrote:

I'd take a Glock 34 any day over that wheelgun. Fully legal mag on the
Glock holds 17 rounds, standard barrel is 5" long, and if you need them,
lasergrips are available. Oh, and my guess is the semi-auto mechanism is
inherently more accurate than the wheelgun's.

You have a single or double action wheelgun? If double, you keep a
chamber empty for safety's sake? If so, that means the G34 mag holds
more than three times the number of rounds.


How is that 17 round magazine legal? Pre-ban?

Nope. Perfectly legal in Maryland.


I'm not sure how you can say the semi-auto is "inherently" more accurate
than a revolver. A barrel is a barrel. The same bullets pass through them.

How they get to the barrel matters.


True. However, I much prefer revolvers because they are simpler,
easier to reload (quicker actually) and easier to handle.

Their major disadvantage is number of rounds, but accuracy more than
makes up for it.

I own more than a few guns and I use them for sport. I do keep one or
two around for self defense but that's another thread.

I have revolvers and semi-auto's. How do you figure that the revolvers
are more accurate? Trigger pull is similar as are the lengths of the
barrels. What am I missing?

Call it an old man's preference. Bill pretty much explained it,
revolvers have a fixed barrel where the old semi-autos didn't. Back
in the day, I couldn't hit the side of a barn with the venerable .45
Navy 1911. In fact, I had a hard time qualifying with it. With a
revolver, I had no problem. I know other guys who had the same
problem.

I've found that most folks who don't shoot on a regular basis can
focus better on the end of an open barrel than along a rail like a
semi-auto has. Another issue in accuracy is the tendency for people
with high capacity mags tend to spray rather than aim - a revolver
forces you to aim - you just can't spray bullets all over the place.

As to reload, 8 out of 10 times, I can reload my .357 mag and .44 mag
faster than the top state cop who just happens to belong to my rod and
gun club. I won't even begin to tell you that I can shoot more
rounds than he can, but under pressure, I'm more accurate.

If the .45 you qualified with was similar to the one I used, the barrel
probably wobbled a quarter inch every time you shot.

I could never get used to that beast. When teaching survival tactics
and techniques, I carried a .44 mag (my own revolver) in case we ran
into feral pigs and a standard .22 Beretta semi-auto for small game
and the smaller nasty critters you found in a swamp.

Funny story about qualifying. I never had to qualify until I came
back stateside - had to maintain proficiency don't 'cha know.

As stated I had problems with the 1911 so I wanted to qualify with my
.357 or .44. Range Officer and Armorer were not in the mood and
insisted that I use standard military issue. I didn't argue because I
knew something they didn't. I barely qualified after six attempts.

About a week later they were notified that they were up for the class
- MY class. :) All of a sudden - "Hey Sarge, I've given that some
thought - want to retry with the revolver?"

Nah - I qualified - that's good enough.

Heh, heh, heh... :)

Well, I qualified, but I wouldn't have worn the badge with much pride. I can shoot the revolver much
better.

--
John H

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