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NOYB,
Most people would view Harry's cut and paste as "Doom and Gloom".
Harry views his posts as "Jumping with Glee". Harry has stated
anything bad for Bush is Good for America, and that makes him happy,
so when he posts his negative articles, including the death toll on
US armed forces, he really is Jumping with Glee.

When terrorists bomb a bus of civilians, he somehow thinks that that
is bad for Bush. But it actually increases Bush's resolve, and
convinces the average American that Bush is right about Iraq being
the frontline in the war on terror...and that we can never leave,
lest the terrorists come here.

I keep asking you this, but you don't seem to have an answer. What
makes you think terrorists are likely to originate in Iraq? I'm
referring to the type who'd want to do something here in the mainland
U.S.

They're not likely to originate in Iraq. In fact, most sources confirm
that the majority of the suicide bombers are from neighboring
countries. Every suicide bomber who floods into Iraq to blow himself
up, is one less suicide bomber who will be available to blow himself up
in Israel, Europe, or the United States.




I see. So, you don't think we'll have any home grown ones, as was the
case in England. Hint: You are not permitted to say "Maybe, but our
presence in Iraq cuts off the supply of exported hate". (Some moron here
said that - might've been Fruitz or Bertie Ribbons.)

I want to oust all of the governments in the Muslim world (not just Iraq)
that allow anti-Americanism to be taught in madrassas, and financed by
money collected through mosques. They're exporting that hatred around
the world...and without the supply of money and manpower flooding into
the West, those hate groups in England will shrivel up and die.



OK....let me get two things straight:

1) A Muslim person in Milwaukee cannot form opinions without help from
someone in a bad country.

He can form an opinion, but what can he do about it without money, funding,
and other support from other like-minded individuals halfway around the
globe.

The Patriot Act is terrific in ensuring that hate groups (Islamic, white
supremacist, or otherwise) can no longer fundraise and organize with
impunity.



2) That person in Milwaukee may have a job, but the money he makes is
different than money which might be given to him by a bad person from
another country, and cannot be used to buy explosives.

Buy them from whom? If it were so easy for radical Islamic terrorists to do
in the USA what they're doing in Iraq and Israel, they'd be doing it
already.

Taliban downs two US choppers
 

"NOYB" wrote in message
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OK....let me get two things straight:

1) A Muslim person in Milwaukee cannot form opinions without help from
someone in a bad country.

He can form an opinion, but what can he do about it without money,
funding, and other support from other like-minded individuals halfway
around the globe.

Explosives do not cost a fortune. Any of us could come up with enough cash
for a suicide bombing.



The Patriot Act is terrific in ensuring that hate groups (Islamic, white
supremacist, or otherwise) can no longer fundraise and organize with
impunity.

A lone bomber does not need funding or organization of any kind. He can
learn anything he needs via email, encrypted in ways that even the NSA will
have difficulty with. Incidentally, the NSA has an enormous backlog of
communications to sift through.



2) That person in Milwaukee may have a job, but the money he makes is
different than money which might be given to him by a bad person from
another country, and cannot be used to buy explosives.

Buy them from whom? If it were so easy for radical Islamic terrorists to
do in the USA what they're doing in Iraq and Israel, they'd be doing it
already.

What a silly question. A bomber could build a device using supplies obtained
legally at any well stocked gun shop. It would be crude compared to the
stuff being used in the Middle East, but he could still raise hell on a
train or bus.

Taliban downs two US choppers
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Doug Kanter wrote:
"NOYB" wrote in message
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OK....let me get two things straight:

1) A Muslim person in Milwaukee cannot form opinions without help from
someone in a bad country.
He can form an opinion, but what can he do about it without money,
funding, and other support from other like-minded individuals halfway
around the globe.

Explosives do not cost a fortune. Any of us could come up with enough
cash for a suicide bombing.



The Patriot Act is terrific in ensuring that hate groups (Islamic, white
supremacist, or otherwise) can no longer fundraise and organize with
impunity.

A lone bomber does not need funding or organization of any kind. He can
learn anything he needs via email, encrypted in ways that even the NSA
will have difficulty with. Incidentally, the NSA has an enormous backlog
of communications to sift through.



2) That person in Milwaukee may have a job, but the money he makes is
different than money which might be given to him by a bad person from
another country, and cannot be used to buy explosives.
Buy them from whom? If it were so easy for radical Islamic terrorists
to do in the USA what they're doing in Iraq and Israel, they'd be doing
it already.

What a silly question. A bomber could build a device using supplies
obtained legally at any well stocked gun shop. It would be crude compared
to the stuff being used in the Middle East, but he could still raise hell
on a train or bus.


Is NOYB maintaining it is difficult to obtain or home-manfucture enough
explosives to take down a huge building or blow up a subway train in this
country?

Hmmmm.

Let's see. Explosive gunpowder.

We need:

* Saltpeter (Niter)
* Sulfur
* Charcoal or Sugar
* Water

The ratio is 75% saltpeter, 15% sulfur, 10 per cent charcoal.

Carefully and separately grind the three ingredients and mix them
together to make what is known as serpentine. Add a bit of water to reduce
dusting and hazard and make a slurry.
Force the slurry through a screen to make pellets and allow pellets to
dry.

Even a dentist could mix up this brew.

Do you have any idea how much gunpowder you'd have to sneak on to a bus to
blow up the bus, and ensure that you were killed in the process...rather
than just left severely maimed?

And if you're a Middle Eastern-looking dude, there's the little problem of
trying to light the fuse on a crowded bus while preventing some suspicious
individual who has been eyeing you all along from stomping your head in the
minute you take out the lighter.

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"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Doug Kanter wrote:
"NOYB" wrote in message
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OK....let me get two things straight:

1) A Muslim person in Milwaukee cannot form opinions without help from
someone in a bad country.
He can form an opinion, but what can he do about it without money,
funding, and other support from other like-minded individuals halfway
around the globe.

Explosives do not cost a fortune. Any of us could come up with enough
cash for a suicide bombing.



The Patriot Act is terrific in ensuring that hate groups (Islamic,
white supremacist, or otherwise) can no longer fundraise and organize
with impunity.

A lone bomber does not need funding or organization of any kind. He can
learn anything he needs via email, encrypted in ways that even the NSA
will have difficulty with. Incidentally, the NSA has an enormous backlog
of communications to sift through.



2) That person in Milwaukee may have a job, but the money he makes is
different than money which might be given to him by a bad person from
another country, and cannot be used to buy explosives.
Buy them from whom? If it were so easy for radical Islamic terrorists
to do in the USA what they're doing in Iraq and Israel, they'd be doing
it already.

What a silly question. A bomber could build a device using supplies
obtained legally at any well stocked gun shop. It would be crude
compared to the stuff being used in the Middle East, but he could still
raise hell on a train or bus.


Is NOYB maintaining it is difficult to obtain or home-manfucture enough
explosives to take down a huge building or blow up a subway train in this
country?

Hmmmm.

Let's see. Explosive gunpowder.

We need:

* Saltpeter (Niter)
* Sulfur
* Charcoal or Sugar
* Water

The ratio is 75% saltpeter, 15% sulfur, 10 per cent charcoal.

Carefully and separately grind the three ingredients and mix them
together to make what is known as serpentine. Add a bit of water to
reduce dusting and hazard and make a slurry.
Force the slurry through a screen to make pellets and allow pellets to
dry.

Even a dentist could mix up this brew.

Do you have any idea how much gunpowder you'd have to sneak on to a bus to
blow up the bus, and ensure that you were killed in the process...rather
than just left severely maimed?

And if you're a Middle Eastern-looking dude, there's the little problem
of trying to light the fuse on a crowded bus while preventing some
suspicious individual who has been eyeing you all along from stomping your
head in the minute you take out the lighter.

Fuse??? I was at the range last night. I do not recall having to light a
fuse to fire my gun. My son has an Estes rocket. No fuse there, either. It
uses a couple of batteries in a remote control box.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Doug Kanter wrote:
"NOYB" wrote in message
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OK....let me get two things straight:

1) A Muslim person in Milwaukee cannot form opinions without help
from someone in a bad country.
He can form an opinion, but what can he do about it without money,
funding, and other support from other like-minded individuals halfway
around the globe.
Explosives do not cost a fortune. Any of us could come up with enough
cash for a suicide bombing.



The Patriot Act is terrific in ensuring that hate groups (Islamic,
white supremacist, or otherwise) can no longer fundraise and organize
with impunity.
A lone bomber does not need funding or organization of any kind. He can
learn anything he needs via email, encrypted in ways that even the NSA
will have difficulty with. Incidentally, the NSA has an enormous
backlog of communications to sift through.



2) That person in Milwaukee may have a job, but the money he makes is
different than money which might be given to him by a bad person from
another country, and cannot be used to buy explosives.
Buy them from whom? If it were so easy for radical Islamic terrorists
to do in the USA what they're doing in Iraq and Israel, they'd be
doing it already.
What a silly question. A bomber could build a device using supplies
obtained legally at any well stocked gun shop. It would be crude
compared to the stuff being used in the Middle East, but he could still
raise hell on a train or bus.

Is NOYB maintaining it is difficult to obtain or home-manfucture enough
explosives to take down a huge building or blow up a subway train in
this country?

Hmmmm.

Let's see. Explosive gunpowder.

We need:

* Saltpeter (Niter)
* Sulfur
* Charcoal or Sugar
* Water

The ratio is 75% saltpeter, 15% sulfur, 10 per cent charcoal.

Carefully and separately grind the three ingredients and mix them
together to make what is known as serpentine. Add a bit of water to
reduce dusting and hazard and make a slurry.
Force the slurry through a screen to make pellets and allow pellets to
dry.

Even a dentist could mix up this brew.

Do you have any idea how much gunpowder you'd have to sneak on to a bus
to blow up the bus, and ensure that you were killed in the
process...rather than just left severely maimed?

And if you're a Middle Eastern-looking dude, there's the little problem
of trying to light the fuse on a crowded bus while preventing some
suspicious individual who has been eyeing you all along from stomping
your head in the minute you take out the lighter.

Oh, please, you're missing the point entirely. It can be done, and easily.

Timothy McVeigh blew up a huge federal office building with homebrew
explosives. Pull up in your van next to a packed bus in rush hour, and
ka-boom. Don't be so damned naive.

Know a bit more about chemistry? You should. Try this in your dental lab:

Get yourself cyclotrimethylene-trinitramine (C3H6N6O6), commonly called
RDX (for "research development explosive"). The additive material is made
up of polyisobutylene, the binder, and di(2-ethylhexyl) sebacate, the
plasticizer (the element that makes the material malleable). It also
contains a small amount of motor oil.

Take RDX in powder form and mix it with water to form a slurry. Add the
binder material, dissolved in a solvent, and mix the materials with an
agitator. Remove the solvent through distillation, and remove the water
through drying and filtering. The result is a relatively stable, solid
explosive with a consistency similar to modelling clay.

An electrical detonator or blasting cap will set it off.

Any dentist could do this.

Oh, and this formula is no secret. It's available on "How Stuff Works."

Enjoy your naivete.

Perhaps while I'm in Home Depot picking up those ingredients, they'll have
some weapons grade uranium available too, eh?

Taliban downs two US choppers
 

"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Doug Kanter wrote:
"NOYB" wrote in message
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OK....let me get two things straight:

1) A Muslim person in Milwaukee cannot form opinions without help
from someone in a bad country.
He can form an opinion, but what can he do about it without money,
funding, and other support from other like-minded individuals halfway
around the globe.
Explosives do not cost a fortune. Any of us could come up with enough
cash for a suicide bombing.



The Patriot Act is terrific in ensuring that hate groups (Islamic,
white supremacist, or otherwise) can no longer fundraise and organize
with impunity.
A lone bomber does not need funding or organization of any kind. He
can learn anything he needs via email, encrypted in ways that even the
NSA will have difficulty with. Incidentally, the NSA has an enormous
backlog of communications to sift through.



2) That person in Milwaukee may have a job, but the money he makes
is different than money which might be given to him by a bad person
from another country, and cannot be used to buy explosives.
Buy them from whom? If it were so easy for radical Islamic
terrorists to do in the USA what they're doing in Iraq and Israel,
they'd be doing it already.
What a silly question. A bomber could build a device using supplies
obtained legally at any well stocked gun shop. It would be crude
compared to the stuff being used in the Middle East, but he could
still raise hell on a train or bus.

Is NOYB maintaining it is difficult to obtain or home-manfucture enough
explosives to take down a huge building or blow up a subway train in
this country?

Hmmmm.

Let's see. Explosive gunpowder.

We need:

* Saltpeter (Niter)
* Sulfur
* Charcoal or Sugar
* Water

The ratio is 75% saltpeter, 15% sulfur, 10 per cent charcoal.

Carefully and separately grind the three ingredients and mix them
together to make what is known as serpentine. Add a bit of water to
reduce dusting and hazard and make a slurry.
Force the slurry through a screen to make pellets and allow pellets to
dry.

Even a dentist could mix up this brew.

Do you have any idea how much gunpowder you'd have to sneak on to a bus
to blow up the bus, and ensure that you were killed in the
process...rather than just left severely maimed?

And if you're a Middle Eastern-looking dude, there's the little problem
of trying to light the fuse on a crowded bus while preventing some
suspicious individual who has been eyeing you all along from stomping
your head in the minute you take out the lighter.

Oh, please, you're missing the point entirely. It can be done, and
easily.

Timothy McVeigh blew up a huge federal office building with homebrew
explosives. Pull up in your van next to a packed bus in rush hour, and
ka-boom. Don't be so damned naive.

Know a bit more about chemistry? You should. Try this in your dental lab:

Get yourself cyclotrimethylene-trinitramine (C3H6N6O6), commonly called
RDX (for "research development explosive"). The additive material is made
up of polyisobutylene, the binder, and di(2-ethylhexyl) sebacate, the
plasticizer (the element that makes the material malleable). It also
contains a small amount of motor oil.

Take RDX in powder form and mix it with water to form a slurry. Add the
binder material, dissolved in a solvent, and mix the materials with an
agitator. Remove the solvent through distillation, and remove the water
through drying and filtering. The result is a relatively stable, solid
explosive with a consistency similar to modelling clay.

An electrical detonator or blasting cap will set it off.

Any dentist could do this.

Oh, and this formula is no secret. It's available on "How Stuff Works."

Enjoy your naivete.

Perhaps while I'm in Home Depot picking up those ingredients, they'll have
some weapons grade uranium available too, eh?




Give it up already. Your entire premise is ridiculous and there is no way to
defend it any further.

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On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 12:38:40 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:


Timothy McVeigh blew up a huge federal office building with homebrew
explosives. Pull up in your van next to a packed bus in rush hour, and
ka-boom. Don't be so damned naive

IIRC, McVeigh used fertilizer and diesel. The same concoction used in the
first WTC attack.

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Bill McKee wrote:
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Taliban down 2 Yank choppers

WASHINGTON - Afghan insurgents downed two U.S. military choppers on
Sunday, bringing the year's total to four, in what experts call the
"Iraqization" of an escalating war with Al Qaeda and the Taliban.

"Initial indications reveal that enemy fire caused two CH-47 Chinook
helicopters involved in offensive operations in southern Afghanistan
to make hard landings Sunday," military commanders said in a statement
yesterday.

One chopper forced down near Kandahar resulted in five injured U.S.
troops. The second was hit about 50 miles north at Tarin Kowt, but
limped to a base. Both choppers were flying over Taliban strongholds
where fighting has raged this year.

The shootdowns alarm Afghan analysts, who also are worried by an
increase in roadside and suicide bombings this year, which have
dwarfed 2004's total.

"You are seeing the tactics from Iraq being transferred to
Afghanistan," said ex-Defense Intelligence Agency analyst Julie Sirrs.
"The \[enemy\] has had a resurgence this year."

James Gordon Meek
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_r...p-316464c.html


Yep...we're training 'em in Iraq and they're putting their skills to
work against us elsewhere.


Yep. No reported casualties.

But how about these reports that you did not report Harry:

http://tinyurl.com/9hqzf

http://tinyurl.com/dv7u4

http://tinyurl.com/9sol3

http://tinyurl.com/7jw8j

http://tinyurl.com/audyv

http://tinyurl.com/dxmtl

http://tinyurl.com/ckfjj

http://tinyurl.com/cpg2u

(I think I made my point.)

Oh my! How the bad news is advertised but the good news
suppressed.........including folks like Krause. ;-)
Harry has his websearch engine set to "Advanced: Doom and Gloom search
only".



Now, that is funny.

This is funny, too, right?

Nope, but is not what the funny comment was about. I guess your brain has
slipped and forgot that.

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"thunder" wrote in message
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On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 12:38:40 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:


Timothy McVeigh blew up a huge federal office building with homebrew
explosives. Pull up in your van next to a packed bus in rush hour, and
ka-boom. Don't be so damned naive

IIRC, McVeigh used fertilizer and diesel. The same concoction used in the
first WTC attack...

....which was perpetrated by radical Islamic fundamentalists...just like the
OKC bombing.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...e.asp?ID=14904

Taliban downs two US choppers
 

"NOYB" wrote in message
nk.net...

"thunder" wrote in message
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On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 12:38:40 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:


Timothy McVeigh blew up a huge federal office building with homebrew
explosives. Pull up in your van next to a packed bus in rush hour, and
ka-boom. Don't be so damned naive

IIRC, McVeigh used fertilizer and diesel. The same concoction used in
the
first WTC attack...

...which was perpetrated by radical Islamic fundamentalists...just like
the OKC bombing.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...e.asp?ID=14904


....egged on by a cleric from New Jersey. And, 9/11 was done by some guys who
hung out in Florida, enjoying themselves at strip clubs like any other
walkin' around slob.