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*JimH* December 8th 05 02:24 AM

Taliban downs two US choppers
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Taliban down 2 Yank choppers

WASHINGTON - Afghan insurgents downed two U.S. military choppers on
Sunday, bringing the year's total to four, in what experts call the
"Iraqization" of an escalating war with Al Qaeda and the Taliban.

"Initial indications reveal that enemy fire caused two CH-47 Chinook
helicopters involved in offensive operations in southern Afghanistan to
make hard landings Sunday," military commanders said in a statement
yesterday.

One chopper forced down near Kandahar resulted in five injured U.S.
troops. The second was hit about 50 miles north at Tarin Kowt, but limped
to a base. Both choppers were flying over Taliban strongholds where
fighting has raged this year.

The shootdowns alarm Afghan analysts, who also are worried by an increase
in roadside and suicide bombings this year, which have dwarfed 2004's
total.

"You are seeing the tactics from Iraq being transferred to Afghanistan,"
said ex-Defense Intelligence Agency analyst Julie Sirrs. "The \[enemy\]
has had a resurgence this year."

James Gordon Meek
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_r...p-316464c.html


Yep...we're training 'em in Iraq and they're putting their skills to work
against us elsewhere.



Yep. No reported casualties.

But how about these reports that you did not report Harry:

http://tinyurl.com/9hqzf

http://tinyurl.com/dv7u4

http://tinyurl.com/9sol3

http://tinyurl.com/7jw8j

http://tinyurl.com/audyv

http://tinyurl.com/dxmtl

http://tinyurl.com/ckfjj

http://tinyurl.com/cpg2u

(I think I made my point.)

Oh my! How the bad news is advertised but the good news
suppressed.........including folks like Krause. ;-)



NOYB December 8th 05 03:11 AM

Taliban downs two US choppers
 

" *JimH*" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Taliban down 2 Yank choppers

WASHINGTON - Afghan insurgents downed two U.S. military choppers on
Sunday, bringing the year's total to four, in what experts call the
"Iraqization" of an escalating war with Al Qaeda and the Taliban.

"Initial indications reveal that enemy fire caused two CH-47 Chinook
helicopters involved in offensive operations in southern Afghanistan to
make hard landings Sunday," military commanders said in a statement
yesterday.

One chopper forced down near Kandahar resulted in five injured U.S.
troops. The second was hit about 50 miles north at Tarin Kowt, but limped
to a base. Both choppers were flying over Taliban strongholds where
fighting has raged this year.

The shootdowns alarm Afghan analysts, who also are worried by an increase
in roadside and suicide bombings this year, which have dwarfed 2004's
total.

"You are seeing the tactics from Iraq being transferred to Afghanistan,"
said ex-Defense Intelligence Agency analyst Julie Sirrs. "The \[enemy\]
has had a resurgence this year."

James Gordon Meek
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_r...p-316464c.html


Yep...we're training 'em in Iraq and they're putting their skills to work
against us elsewhere.



Yep. No reported casualties.

But how about these reports that you did not report Harry:

http://tinyurl.com/9hqzf

http://tinyurl.com/dv7u4

http://tinyurl.com/9sol3

http://tinyurl.com/7jw8j

http://tinyurl.com/audyv

http://tinyurl.com/dxmtl

http://tinyurl.com/ckfjj

http://tinyurl.com/cpg2u

(I think I made my point.)

Oh my! How the bad news is advertised but the good news
suppressed.........including folks like Krause. ;-)


Harry has his websearch engine set to "Advanced: Doom and Gloom search
only".





Bill McKee December 8th 05 03:47 AM

Taliban downs two US choppers
 

"NOYB" wrote in message
nk.net...

" *JimH*" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Taliban down 2 Yank choppers

WASHINGTON - Afghan insurgents downed two U.S. military choppers on
Sunday, bringing the year's total to four, in what experts call the
"Iraqization" of an escalating war with Al Qaeda and the Taliban.

"Initial indications reveal that enemy fire caused two CH-47 Chinook
helicopters involved in offensive operations in southern Afghanistan to
make hard landings Sunday," military commanders said in a statement
yesterday.

One chopper forced down near Kandahar resulted in five injured U.S.
troops. The second was hit about 50 miles north at Tarin Kowt, but
limped to a base. Both choppers were flying over Taliban strongholds
where fighting has raged this year.

The shootdowns alarm Afghan analysts, who also are worried by an
increase in roadside and suicide bombings this year, which have dwarfed
2004's total.

"You are seeing the tactics from Iraq being transferred to Afghanistan,"
said ex-Defense Intelligence Agency analyst Julie Sirrs. "The \[enemy\]
has had a resurgence this year."

James Gordon Meek
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_r...p-316464c.html


Yep...we're training 'em in Iraq and they're putting their skills to
work against us elsewhere.



Yep. No reported casualties.

But how about these reports that you did not report Harry:

http://tinyurl.com/9hqzf

http://tinyurl.com/dv7u4

http://tinyurl.com/9sol3

http://tinyurl.com/7jw8j

http://tinyurl.com/audyv

http://tinyurl.com/dxmtl

http://tinyurl.com/ckfjj

http://tinyurl.com/cpg2u

(I think I made my point.)

Oh my! How the bad news is advertised but the good news
suppressed.........including folks like Krause. ;-)


Harry has his websearch engine set to "Advanced: Doom and Gloom search
only".



Now, that is funny.



[email protected] December 8th 05 01:09 PM

Taliban downs two US choppers
 

NOYB wrote:
" *JimH*" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Taliban down 2 Yank choppers

WASHINGTON - Afghan insurgents downed two U.S. military choppers on
Sunday, bringing the year's total to four, in what experts call the
"Iraqization" of an escalating war with Al Qaeda and the Taliban.

"Initial indications reveal that enemy fire caused two CH-47 Chinook
helicopters involved in offensive operations in southern Afghanistan to
make hard landings Sunday," military commanders said in a statement
yesterday.

One chopper forced down near Kandahar resulted in five injured U.S.
troops. The second was hit about 50 miles north at Tarin Kowt, but limped
to a base. Both choppers were flying over Taliban strongholds where
fighting has raged this year.

The shootdowns alarm Afghan analysts, who also are worried by an increase
in roadside and suicide bombings this year, which have dwarfed 2004's
total.

"You are seeing the tactics from Iraq being transferred to Afghanistan,"
said ex-Defense Intelligence Agency analyst Julie Sirrs. "The \[enemy\]
has had a resurgence this year."

James Gordon Meek
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_r...p-316464c.html


Yep...we're training 'em in Iraq and they're putting their skills to work
against us elsewhere.



Yep. No reported casualties.

But how about these reports that you did not report Harry:

http://tinyurl.com/9hqzf

http://tinyurl.com/dv7u4

http://tinyurl.com/9sol3

http://tinyurl.com/7jw8j

http://tinyurl.com/audyv

http://tinyurl.com/dxmtl

http://tinyurl.com/ckfjj

http://tinyurl.com/cpg2u

(I think I made my point.)

Oh my! How the bad news is advertised but the good news
suppressed.........including folks like Krause. ;-)


Harry has his websearch engine set to "Advanced: Doom and Gloom search
only".


How Hertvikesque


*JimH* December 8th 05 01:11 PM

Taliban downs two US choppers
 

wrote in message
oups.com...

NOYB wrote:
" *JimH*" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Taliban down 2 Yank choppers

WASHINGTON - Afghan insurgents downed two U.S. military choppers on
Sunday, bringing the year's total to four, in what experts call the
"Iraqization" of an escalating war with Al Qaeda and the Taliban.

"Initial indications reveal that enemy fire caused two CH-47 Chinook
helicopters involved in offensive operations in southern Afghanistan
to
make hard landings Sunday," military commanders said in a statement
yesterday.

One chopper forced down near Kandahar resulted in five injured U.S.
troops. The second was hit about 50 miles north at Tarin Kowt, but
limped
to a base. Both choppers were flying over Taliban strongholds where
fighting has raged this year.

The shootdowns alarm Afghan analysts, who also are worried by an
increase
in roadside and suicide bombings this year, which have dwarfed 2004's
total.

"You are seeing the tactics from Iraq being transferred to
Afghanistan,"
said ex-Defense Intelligence Agency analyst Julie Sirrs. "The
\[enemy\]
has had a resurgence this year."

James Gordon Meek
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_r...p-316464c.html


Yep...we're training 'em in Iraq and they're putting their skills to
work
against us elsewhere.



Yep. No reported casualties.

But how about these reports that you did not report Harry:

http://tinyurl.com/9hqzf

http://tinyurl.com/dv7u4

http://tinyurl.com/9sol3

http://tinyurl.com/7jw8j

http://tinyurl.com/audyv

http://tinyurl.com/dxmtl

http://tinyurl.com/ckfjj

http://tinyurl.com/cpg2u

(I think I made my point.)

Oh my! How the bad news is advertised but the good news
suppressed.........including folks like Krause. ;-)


Harry has his websearch engine set to "Advanced: Doom and Gloom search
only".


How Hertvikesque


I agree. It was indeed a very clever remark.

Good morning Kevin.



Lord Reginald Smithers December 8th 05 01:19 PM

Taliban downs two US choppers
 
NOYB,
Most people would view Harry's cut and paste as "Doom and Gloom". Harry
views his posts as "Jumping with Glee". Harry has stated anything bad for
Bush is Good for America, and that makes him happy, so when he posts his
negative articles, including the death toll on US armed forces, he really is
Jumping with Glee.


"NOYB" wrote in message
nk.net...

" *JimH*" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Taliban down 2 Yank choppers

WASHINGTON - Afghan insurgents downed two U.S. military choppers on
Sunday, bringing the year's total to four, in what experts call the
"Iraqization" of an escalating war with Al Qaeda and the Taliban.

"Initial indications reveal that enemy fire caused two CH-47 Chinook
helicopters involved in offensive operations in southern Afghanistan to
make hard landings Sunday," military commanders said in a statement
yesterday.

One chopper forced down near Kandahar resulted in five injured U.S.
troops. The second was hit about 50 miles north at Tarin Kowt, but
limped to a base. Both choppers were flying over Taliban strongholds
where fighting has raged this year.

The shootdowns alarm Afghan analysts, who also are worried by an
increase in roadside and suicide bombings this year, which have dwarfed
2004's total.

"You are seeing the tactics from Iraq being transferred to Afghanistan,"
said ex-Defense Intelligence Agency analyst Julie Sirrs. "The \[enemy\]
has had a resurgence this year."

James Gordon Meek
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_r...p-316464c.html


Yep...we're training 'em in Iraq and they're putting their skills to
work against us elsewhere.



Yep. No reported casualties.

But how about these reports that you did not report Harry:

http://tinyurl.com/9hqzf

http://tinyurl.com/dv7u4

http://tinyurl.com/9sol3

http://tinyurl.com/7jw8j

http://tinyurl.com/audyv

http://tinyurl.com/dxmtl

http://tinyurl.com/ckfjj

http://tinyurl.com/cpg2u

(I think I made my point.)

Oh my! How the bad news is advertised but the good news
suppressed.........including folks like Krause. ;-)


Harry has his websearch engine set to "Advanced: Doom and Gloom search
only".







Lord Reginald Smithers December 8th 05 01:21 PM

Taliban downs two US choppers
 
Harry,
This terrorist attack was on the Iraqi's citizens. It will continue as long
until the terrorist are captured, even if the US troops leave.


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Bill McKee wrote:
"NOYB" wrote in message
nk.net...
" *JimH*" wrote in message
...
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Taliban down 2 Yank choppers

WASHINGTON - Afghan insurgents downed two U.S. military choppers on
Sunday, bringing the year's total to four, in what experts call the
"Iraqization" of an escalating war with Al Qaeda and the Taliban.

"Initial indications reveal that enemy fire caused two CH-47 Chinook
helicopters involved in offensive operations in southern Afghanistan
to make hard landings Sunday," military commanders said in a statement
yesterday.

One chopper forced down near Kandahar resulted in five injured U.S.
troops. The second was hit about 50 miles north at Tarin Kowt, but
limped to a base. Both choppers were flying over Taliban strongholds
where fighting has raged this year.

The shootdowns alarm Afghan analysts, who also are worried by an
increase in roadside and suicide bombings this year, which have
dwarfed 2004's total.

"You are seeing the tactics from Iraq being transferred to
Afghanistan," said ex-Defense Intelligence Agency analyst Julie Sirrs.
"The \[enemy\] has had a resurgence this year."

James Gordon Meek
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_r...p-316464c.html


Yep...we're training 'em in Iraq and they're putting their skills to
work against us elsewhere.


Yep. No reported casualties.

But how about these reports that you did not report Harry:

http://tinyurl.com/9hqzf

http://tinyurl.com/dv7u4

http://tinyurl.com/9sol3

http://tinyurl.com/7jw8j

http://tinyurl.com/audyv

http://tinyurl.com/dxmtl

http://tinyurl.com/ckfjj

http://tinyurl.com/cpg2u

(I think I made my point.)

Oh my! How the bad news is advertised but the good news
suppressed.........including folks like Krause. ;-)
Harry has his websearch engine set to "Advanced: Doom and Gloom search
only".



Now, that is funny.


This is funny, too, right?

Suicide Bombing in Iraq Kills 30
Suicide Attack on Bus to Shiite Town Kills at Least 30 People and Wounds
Nearly 40
The Associated Press

BAGHDAD, Iraq - A suicide bomber detonated an explosive belt in a bus as
it was about to depart Baghdad Thursday for a Shiite city in the south,
killing up to 30 people and wounding nearly 40, police and hospital
officials said.

Most of the dead were in the bus, which was gutted by flames, and the rest
were gathered around a food stall nearby, police said. The Kindi hospital
said at least 37 were injured.

The blast occurred a week before national elections, and officials had
warned of a surge in violence ahead of the balloting. Several other
explosions rumbled through the heart of the capital Thursday morning.

Witnesses told police that the attacker left a car, boarded the bus and
blew himself up as it was about to leave for Nasiriyah, 200 miles
southeast of Baghdad, police Lt. Ali Mitaab said.

Fire swept through the bus following the blast, trapping passengers. Their
charred corpses remained in their seats, their faces starring out through
the shattered windows. Police climbed over the top of the vehicle
inspecting what remained of luggage.

The attack occurred at the major bus station for vehicles headed to the
mostly Shiite areas of the south.

In August the station was the scene of a horrific triple car bombing which
killed at least 43 people and wounded 89.

Copyright 2005 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material
may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

Copyright © 2005 ABC News Internet Ventures





Doug Kanter December 8th 05 01:27 PM

Taliban downs two US choppers
 
" *JimH*" wrote in message
...

Yep. No reported casualties.

But how about these reports that you did not report Harry:


http://tinyurl.com/cpg2u

(I think I made my point.)


Busy here, so I just picked one story (the last one in your list). I'm
curious: Which word in the story is the one you focused on? It's clear from
your delight that you didn't notice anything except "102".



Lord Reginald Smithers December 8th 05 01:34 PM

Taliban downs two US choppers
 

"Lord Reginald Smithers" Ask me about my driveway leading up to my manor.
wrote in message ...
Harry,
This terrorist attack was on the Iraqi's citizens. It will continue
until the terrorist are captured, even if the US troops leave.


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Bill McKee wrote:
"NOYB" wrote in message
nk.net...
" *JimH*" wrote in message
...
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Taliban down 2 Yank choppers

WASHINGTON - Afghan insurgents downed two U.S. military choppers on
Sunday, bringing the year's total to four, in what experts call the
"Iraqization" of an escalating war with Al Qaeda and the Taliban.

"Initial indications reveal that enemy fire caused two CH-47 Chinook
helicopters involved in offensive operations in southern Afghanistan
to make hard landings Sunday," military commanders said in a
statement yesterday.

One chopper forced down near Kandahar resulted in five injured U.S.
troops. The second was hit about 50 miles north at Tarin Kowt, but
limped to a base. Both choppers were flying over Taliban strongholds
where fighting has raged this year.

The shootdowns alarm Afghan analysts, who also are worried by an
increase in roadside and suicide bombings this year, which have
dwarfed 2004's total.

"You are seeing the tactics from Iraq being transferred to
Afghanistan," said ex-Defense Intelligence Agency analyst Julie
Sirrs. "The \[enemy\] has had a resurgence this year."

James Gordon Meek
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_r...p-316464c.html


Yep...we're training 'em in Iraq and they're putting their skills to
work against us elsewhere.


Yep. No reported casualties.

But how about these reports that you did not report Harry:

http://tinyurl.com/9hqzf

http://tinyurl.com/dv7u4

http://tinyurl.com/9sol3

http://tinyurl.com/7jw8j

http://tinyurl.com/audyv

http://tinyurl.com/dxmtl

http://tinyurl.com/ckfjj

http://tinyurl.com/cpg2u

(I think I made my point.)

Oh my! How the bad news is advertised but the good news
suppressed.........including folks like Krause. ;-)
Harry has his websearch engine set to "Advanced: Doom and Gloom search
only".



Now, that is funny.


This is funny, too, right?

Suicide Bombing in Iraq Kills 30
Suicide Attack on Bus to Shiite Town Kills at Least 30 People and Wounds
Nearly 40
The Associated Press

BAGHDAD, Iraq - A suicide bomber detonated an explosive belt in a bus as
it was about to depart Baghdad Thursday for a Shiite city in the south,
killing up to 30 people and wounding nearly 40, police and hospital
officials said.

Most of the dead were in the bus, which was gutted by flames, and the
rest were gathered around a food stall nearby, police said. The Kindi
hospital said at least 37 were injured.

The blast occurred a week before national elections, and officials had
warned of a surge in violence ahead of the balloting. Several other
explosions rumbled through the heart of the capital Thursday morning.

Witnesses told police that the attacker left a car, boarded the bus and
blew himself up as it was about to leave for Nasiriyah, 200 miles
southeast of Baghdad, police Lt. Ali Mitaab said.

Fire swept through the bus following the blast, trapping passengers.
Their charred corpses remained in their seats, their faces starring out
through the shattered windows. Police climbed over the top of the vehicle
inspecting what remained of luggage.

The attack occurred at the major bus station for vehicles headed to the
mostly Shiite areas of the south.

In August the station was the scene of a horrific triple car bombing
which killed at least 43 people and wounded 89.

Copyright 2005 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material
may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

Copyright © 2005 ABC News Internet Ventures







NOYB December 8th 05 02:20 PM

Taliban downs two US choppers
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...


Suicide Bombing in Iraq Kills 30
Suicide Attack on Bus to Shiite Town Kills at Least 30 People and Wounds
Nearly 40
The Associated Press

BAGHDAD, Iraq - A suicide bomber detonated an explosive belt in a bus as
it was about to depart Baghdad Thursday for a Shiite city in the south,
killing up to 30 people and wounding nearly 40, police and hospital
officials said.


Insurgents again, eh? They targeted civilians on a bus, and killed them
with a suicide bomber. No Americans were killed.

This isn't the act of insurgents. This is the act of foreign-born
terrorists hellbent on seeing that Iraq doesn't turn into a stable
democracy.

Stories like this one only strengthens Bush's argument that Iraq is the
frontline in the war on terror...and that we should never leave until the
violence stops.





NOYB December 8th 05 02:22 PM

Taliban downs two US choppers
 

"Lord Reginald Smithers" Ask me about my driveway leading up to my manor.
wrote in message . ..
NOYB,
Most people would view Harry's cut and paste as "Doom and Gloom". Harry
views his posts as "Jumping with Glee". Harry has stated anything bad for
Bush is Good for America, and that makes him happy, so when he posts his
negative articles, including the death toll on US armed forces, he really
is Jumping with Glee.


When terrorists bomb a bus of civilians, he somehow thinks that that is bad
for Bush. But it actually increases Bush's resolve, and convinces the
average American that Bush is right about Iraq being the frontline in the
war on terror...and that we can never leave, lest the terrorists come here.





Doug Kanter December 8th 05 02:26 PM

Taliban downs two US choppers
 

"NOYB" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Lord Reginald Smithers" Ask me about my driveway leading up to my
manor. wrote in message
. ..
NOYB,
Most people would view Harry's cut and paste as "Doom and Gloom". Harry
views his posts as "Jumping with Glee". Harry has stated anything bad
for Bush is Good for America, and that makes him happy, so when he posts
his negative articles, including the death toll on US armed forces, he
really is Jumping with Glee.


When terrorists bomb a bus of civilians, he somehow thinks that that is
bad for Bush. But it actually increases Bush's resolve, and convinces the
average American that Bush is right about Iraq being the frontline in the
war on terror...and that we can never leave, lest the terrorists come
here.


I keep asking you this, but you don't seem to have an answer. What makes you
think terrorists are likely to originate in Iraq? I'm referring to the type
who'd want to do something here in the mainland U.S.



Lord Reginald Smithers December 8th 05 02:32 PM

Taliban downs two US choppers
 
NYOB,
Harry suffers from a bad case of "Can't Win, Don't Try" syndrome. I wonder
if he looks at other aspect of life thru black colored glasses.


"NOYB" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Lord Reginald Smithers" Ask me about my driveway leading up to my
manor. wrote in message
. ..
NOYB,
Most people would view Harry's cut and paste as "Doom and Gloom". Harry
views his posts as "Jumping with Glee". Harry has stated anything bad
for Bush is Good for America, and that makes him happy, so when he posts
his negative articles, including the death toll on US armed forces, he
really is Jumping with Glee.


When terrorists bomb a bus of civilians, he somehow thinks that that is
bad for Bush. But it actually increases Bush's resolve, and convinces the
average American that Bush is right about Iraq being the frontline in the
war on terror...and that we can never leave, lest the terrorists come
here.







NOYB December 8th 05 02:48 PM

Taliban downs two US choppers
 

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Lord Reginald Smithers" Ask me about my driveway leading up to my
manor. wrote in message
. ..
NOYB,
Most people would view Harry's cut and paste as "Doom and Gloom". Harry
views his posts as "Jumping with Glee". Harry has stated anything bad
for Bush is Good for America, and that makes him happy, so when he posts
his negative articles, including the death toll on US armed forces, he
really is Jumping with Glee.


When terrorists bomb a bus of civilians, he somehow thinks that that is
bad for Bush. But it actually increases Bush's resolve, and convinces
the average American that Bush is right about Iraq being the frontline in
the war on terror...and that we can never leave, lest the terrorists come
here.


I keep asking you this, but you don't seem to have an answer. What makes
you think terrorists are likely to originate in Iraq? I'm referring to the
type who'd want to do something here in the mainland U.S.


They're not likely to originate in Iraq. In fact, most sources confirm that
the majority of the suicide bombers are from neighboring countries. Every
suicide bomber who floods into Iraq to blow himself up, is one less suicide
bomber who will be available to blow himself up in Israel, Europe, or the
United States.




NOYB December 8th 05 02:49 PM

Taliban downs two US choppers
 

"Lord Reginald Smithers" Ask me about my driveway leading up to my manor.
wrote in message ...
NYOB,
Harry suffers from a bad case of "Can't Win, Don't Try" syndrome.


I thought it was "Could win, but it would be bad for Democrats" syndrome.



Doug Kanter December 8th 05 02:53 PM

Taliban downs two US choppers
 

"NOYB" wrote in message
.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Lord Reginald Smithers" Ask me about my driveway leading up to my
manor. wrote in message
. ..
NOYB,
Most people would view Harry's cut and paste as "Doom and Gloom".
Harry views his posts as "Jumping with Glee". Harry has stated
anything bad for Bush is Good for America, and that makes him happy, so
when he posts his negative articles, including the death toll on US
armed forces, he really is Jumping with Glee.

When terrorists bomb a bus of civilians, he somehow thinks that that is
bad for Bush. But it actually increases Bush's resolve, and convinces
the average American that Bush is right about Iraq being the frontline
in the war on terror...and that we can never leave, lest the terrorists
come here.


I keep asking you this, but you don't seem to have an answer. What makes
you think terrorists are likely to originate in Iraq? I'm referring to
the type who'd want to do something here in the mainland U.S.


They're not likely to originate in Iraq. In fact, most sources confirm
that the majority of the suicide bombers are from neighboring countries.
Every suicide bomber who floods into Iraq to blow himself up, is one less
suicide bomber who will be available to blow himself up in Israel, Europe,
or the United States.




I see. So, you don't think we'll have any home grown ones, as was the case
in England. Hint: You are not permitted to say "Maybe, but our presence in
Iraq cuts off the supply of exported hate". (Some moron here said that -
might've been Fruitz or Bertie Ribbons.)



m___~¿õ___m December 8th 05 03:00 PM

Taliban downs two US choppers
 
On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 08:29:34 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

snip




More and more, the reports from "our side" are beginning to represent
those reports we got from "our side" during the Vietnam debacle,
including the "body counts" of "enemies killed."


last paragraph
"To say that we are closer to victory today is to believe, in the face of
the evidence, the optimists who have been wrong in the past.
To suggest we are on the edge of defeat is to yield to unreasonable
pessimism.
To say that we are mired in stalemate seems the only realistic,
yet unsatisfactory, conclusion.
On the off chance that military and political analysts are right, in the
next few months we must test the enemy's intentions, in case this is
indeed his last big gasp before negotiations.
But it is increasingly clear to this reporter that the only rational way
out then will be to negotiate, not as victors, but as an honorable people
who lived up to their pledge to defend democracy, and did the best they
could."
"This is Walter Cronkite. Good night."


"That's it.
If I've lost Cronkite, I've lost middle America."
LBJ (President Johnson)


Some here are not old enough to remember.

When will our leaders come to their senses?

Answer:
You don't know.


http://faculty.smu.edu/dsimon/Change%20--Cronkite.html
http://faculty.smu.edu/dsimon/Change-Viet2.html

--
______m___~¿õ___m_________________


NOYB December 8th 05 04:25 PM

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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Lord Reginald Smithers" Ask me about my driveway leading up to my
manor. wrote in message
. ..
NOYB,
Most people would view Harry's cut and paste as "Doom and Gloom".
Harry views his posts as "Jumping with Glee". Harry has stated
anything bad for Bush is Good for America, and that makes him happy,
so when he posts his negative articles, including the death toll on US
armed forces, he really is Jumping with Glee.

When terrorists bomb a bus of civilians, he somehow thinks that that is
bad for Bush. But it actually increases Bush's resolve, and convinces
the average American that Bush is right about Iraq being the frontline
in the war on terror...and that we can never leave, lest the terrorists
come here.

I keep asking you this, but you don't seem to have an answer. What makes
you think terrorists are likely to originate in Iraq? I'm referring to
the type who'd want to do something here in the mainland U.S.


They're not likely to originate in Iraq. In fact, most sources confirm
that the majority of the suicide bombers are from neighboring countries.
Every suicide bomber who floods into Iraq to blow himself up, is one less
suicide bomber who will be available to blow himself up in Israel,
Europe, or the United States.




I see. So, you don't think we'll have any home grown ones, as was the case
in England. Hint: You are not permitted to say "Maybe, but our presence in
Iraq cuts off the supply of exported hate". (Some moron here said that -
might've been Fruitz or Bertie Ribbons.)


I want to oust all of the governments in the Muslim world (not just Iraq)
that allow anti-Americanism to be taught in madrassas, and financed by money
collected through mosques. They're exporting that hatred around the
world...and without the supply of money and manpower flooding into the West,
those hate groups in England will shrivel up and die.



Doug Kanter December 8th 05 04:28 PM

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"NOYB" wrote in message
. net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Lord Reginald Smithers" Ask me about my driveway leading up to my
manor. wrote in message
. ..
NOYB,
Most people would view Harry's cut and paste as "Doom and Gloom".
Harry views his posts as "Jumping with Glee". Harry has stated
anything bad for Bush is Good for America, and that makes him happy,
so when he posts his negative articles, including the death toll on
US armed forces, he really is Jumping with Glee.

When terrorists bomb a bus of civilians, he somehow thinks that that
is bad for Bush. But it actually increases Bush's resolve, and
convinces the average American that Bush is right about Iraq being the
frontline in the war on terror...and that we can never leave, lest the
terrorists come here.

I keep asking you this, but you don't seem to have an answer. What
makes you think terrorists are likely to originate in Iraq? I'm
referring to the type who'd want to do something here in the mainland
U.S.

They're not likely to originate in Iraq. In fact, most sources confirm
that the majority of the suicide bombers are from neighboring countries.
Every suicide bomber who floods into Iraq to blow himself up, is one
less suicide bomber who will be available to blow himself up in Israel,
Europe, or the United States.




I see. So, you don't think we'll have any home grown ones, as was the
case in England. Hint: You are not permitted to say "Maybe, but our
presence in Iraq cuts off the supply of exported hate". (Some moron here
said that - might've been Fruitz or Bertie Ribbons.)


I want to oust all of the governments in the Muslim world (not just Iraq)
that allow anti-Americanism to be taught in madrassas, and financed by
money collected through mosques. They're exporting that hatred around the
world...and without the supply of money and manpower flooding into the
West, those hate groups in England will shrivel up and die.



OK....let me get two things straight:

1) A Muslim person in Milwaukee cannot form opinions without help from
someone in a bad country.

2) That person in Milwaukee may have a job, but the money he makes is
different than money which might be given to him by a bad person from
another country, and cannot be used to buy explosives.



NOYB December 8th 05 04:28 PM

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
m___~¿õ___m wrote:
On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 08:29:34 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

snip


More and more, the reports from "our side" are beginning to represent
those reports we got from "our side" during the Vietnam debacle,
including the "body counts" of "enemies killed."


last paragraph
"To say that we are closer to victory today is to believe, in the face of
the evidence, the optimists who have been wrong in the past. To suggest
we are on the edge of defeat is to yield to unreasonable
pessimism. To say that we are mired in stalemate seems the only
realistic,
yet unsatisfactory, conclusion. On the off chance that military and
political analysts are right, in the
next few months we must test the enemy's intentions, in case this is
indeed his last big gasp before negotiations. But it is increasingly
clear to this reporter that the only rational way
out then will be to negotiate, not as victors, but as an honorable people
who lived up to their pledge to defend democracy, and did the best they
could."
"This is Walter Cronkite. Good night."


"That's it. If I've lost Cronkite, I've lost middle America." LBJ
(President Johnson)


Some here are not old enough to remember.

When will our leaders come to their senses?

Answer:
You don't know.


http://faculty.smu.edu/dsimon/Change%20--Cronkite.html
http://faculty.smu.edu/dsimon/Change-Viet2.html



The saddest part of Cronkite's remark was that even near the end. he and
millions of other Americans thought South Vietnam was a "democracy." It
wasn't, and Iraq isn't and won't be.

Bush's statement the other day of what would constitute "victory" in Iraq
has about as much chance of happening as the Victoria's Secret tour bus
breaking down in front of my house.

But the simple folk buy into it. Just ask NOYB.


I'm content with 4 or 5 permanent bases in Iraq. What happens in the
individual cities and towns is of no interest to me.




NOYB December 8th 05 04:35 PM

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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
. net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Lord Reginald Smithers" Ask me about my driveway leading up to my
manor. wrote in message
. ..
NOYB,
Most people would view Harry's cut and paste as "Doom and Gloom".
Harry views his posts as "Jumping with Glee". Harry has stated
anything bad for Bush is Good for America, and that makes him happy,
so when he posts his negative articles, including the death toll on
US armed forces, he really is Jumping with Glee.

When terrorists bomb a bus of civilians, he somehow thinks that that
is bad for Bush. But it actually increases Bush's resolve, and
convinces the average American that Bush is right about Iraq being
the frontline in the war on terror...and that we can never leave,
lest the terrorists come here.

I keep asking you this, but you don't seem to have an answer. What
makes you think terrorists are likely to originate in Iraq? I'm
referring to the type who'd want to do something here in the mainland
U.S.

They're not likely to originate in Iraq. In fact, most sources confirm
that the majority of the suicide bombers are from neighboring
countries. Every suicide bomber who floods into Iraq to blow himself
up, is one less suicide bomber who will be available to blow himself up
in Israel, Europe, or the United States.




I see. So, you don't think we'll have any home grown ones, as was the
case in England. Hint: You are not permitted to say "Maybe, but our
presence in Iraq cuts off the supply of exported hate". (Some moron here
said that - might've been Fruitz or Bertie Ribbons.)


I want to oust all of the governments in the Muslim world (not just Iraq)
that allow anti-Americanism to be taught in madrassas, and financed by
money collected through mosques. They're exporting that hatred around
the world...and without the supply of money and manpower flooding into
the West, those hate groups in England will shrivel up and die.



OK....let me get two things straight:

1) A Muslim person in Milwaukee cannot form opinions without help from
someone in a bad country.


He can form an opinion, but what can he do about it without money, funding,
and other support from other like-minded individuals halfway around the
globe.

The Patriot Act is terrific in ensuring that hate groups (Islamic, white
supremacist, or otherwise) can no longer fundraise and organize with
impunity.



2) That person in Milwaukee may have a job, but the money he makes is
different than money which might be given to him by a bad person from
another country, and cannot be used to buy explosives.


Buy them from whom? If it were so easy for radical Islamic terrorists to do
in the USA what they're doing in Iraq and Israel, they'd be doing it
already.





Doug Kanter December 8th 05 04:44 PM

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"NOYB" wrote in message
.net...

OK....let me get two things straight:

1) A Muslim person in Milwaukee cannot form opinions without help from
someone in a bad country.


He can form an opinion, but what can he do about it without money,
funding, and other support from other like-minded individuals halfway
around the globe.


Explosives do not cost a fortune. Any of us could come up with enough cash
for a suicide bombing.



The Patriot Act is terrific in ensuring that hate groups (Islamic, white
supremacist, or otherwise) can no longer fundraise and organize with
impunity.


A lone bomber does not need funding or organization of any kind. He can
learn anything he needs via email, encrypted in ways that even the NSA will
have difficulty with. Incidentally, the NSA has an enormous backlog of
communications to sift through.



2) That person in Milwaukee may have a job, but the money he makes is
different than money which might be given to him by a bad person from
another country, and cannot be used to buy explosives.


Buy them from whom? If it were so easy for radical Islamic terrorists to
do in the USA what they're doing in Iraq and Israel, they'd be doing it
already.


What a silly question. A bomber could build a device using supplies obtained
legally at any well stocked gun shop. It would be crude compared to the
stuff being used in the Middle East, but he could still raise hell on a
train or bus.



NOYB December 8th 05 05:20 PM

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Doug Kanter wrote:
"NOYB" wrote in message
.net...

OK....let me get two things straight:

1) A Muslim person in Milwaukee cannot form opinions without help from
someone in a bad country.
He can form an opinion, but what can he do about it without money,
funding, and other support from other like-minded individuals halfway
around the globe.


Explosives do not cost a fortune. Any of us could come up with enough
cash for a suicide bombing.



The Patriot Act is terrific in ensuring that hate groups (Islamic, white
supremacist, or otherwise) can no longer fundraise and organize with
impunity.


A lone bomber does not need funding or organization of any kind. He can
learn anything he needs via email, encrypted in ways that even the NSA
will have difficulty with. Incidentally, the NSA has an enormous backlog
of communications to sift through.



2) That person in Milwaukee may have a job, but the money he makes is
different than money which might be given to him by a bad person from
another country, and cannot be used to buy explosives.
Buy them from whom? If it were so easy for radical Islamic terrorists
to do in the USA what they're doing in Iraq and Israel, they'd be doing
it already.


What a silly question. A bomber could build a device using supplies
obtained legally at any well stocked gun shop. It would be crude compared
to the stuff being used in the Middle East, but he could still raise hell
on a train or bus.



Is NOYB maintaining it is difficult to obtain or home-manfucture enough
explosives to take down a huge building or blow up a subway train in this
country?

Hmmmm.

Let's see. Explosive gunpowder.

We need:

* Saltpeter (Niter)
* Sulfur
* Charcoal or Sugar
* Water

The ratio is 75% saltpeter, 15% sulfur, 10 per cent charcoal.

Carefully and separately grind the three ingredients and mix them
together to make what is known as serpentine. Add a bit of water to reduce
dusting and hazard and make a slurry.
Force the slurry through a screen to make pellets and allow pellets to
dry.

Even a dentist could mix up this brew.


Do you have any idea how much gunpowder you'd have to sneak on to a bus to
blow up the bus, and ensure that you were killed in the process...rather
than just left severely maimed?

And if you're a Middle Eastern-looking dude, there's the little problem of
trying to light the fuse on a crowded bus while preventing some suspicious
individual who has been eyeing you all along from stomping your head in the
minute you take out the lighter.






Doug Kanter December 8th 05 05:28 PM

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"NOYB" wrote in message
k.net...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Doug Kanter wrote:
"NOYB" wrote in message
.net...

OK....let me get two things straight:

1) A Muslim person in Milwaukee cannot form opinions without help from
someone in a bad country.
He can form an opinion, but what can he do about it without money,
funding, and other support from other like-minded individuals halfway
around the globe.

Explosives do not cost a fortune. Any of us could come up with enough
cash for a suicide bombing.



The Patriot Act is terrific in ensuring that hate groups (Islamic,
white supremacist, or otherwise) can no longer fundraise and organize
with impunity.

A lone bomber does not need funding or organization of any kind. He can
learn anything he needs via email, encrypted in ways that even the NSA
will have difficulty with. Incidentally, the NSA has an enormous backlog
of communications to sift through.



2) That person in Milwaukee may have a job, but the money he makes is
different than money which might be given to him by a bad person from
another country, and cannot be used to buy explosives.
Buy them from whom? If it were so easy for radical Islamic terrorists
to do in the USA what they're doing in Iraq and Israel, they'd be doing
it already.

What a silly question. A bomber could build a device using supplies
obtained legally at any well stocked gun shop. It would be crude
compared to the stuff being used in the Middle East, but he could still
raise hell on a train or bus.



Is NOYB maintaining it is difficult to obtain or home-manfucture enough
explosives to take down a huge building or blow up a subway train in this
country?

Hmmmm.

Let's see. Explosive gunpowder.

We need:

* Saltpeter (Niter)
* Sulfur
* Charcoal or Sugar
* Water

The ratio is 75% saltpeter, 15% sulfur, 10 per cent charcoal.

Carefully and separately grind the three ingredients and mix them
together to make what is known as serpentine. Add a bit of water to
reduce dusting and hazard and make a slurry.
Force the slurry through a screen to make pellets and allow pellets to
dry.

Even a dentist could mix up this brew.


Do you have any idea how much gunpowder you'd have to sneak on to a bus to
blow up the bus, and ensure that you were killed in the process...rather
than just left severely maimed?

And if you're a Middle Eastern-looking dude, there's the little problem
of trying to light the fuse on a crowded bus while preventing some
suspicious individual who has been eyeing you all along from stomping your
head in the minute you take out the lighter.


Fuse??? I was at the range last night. I do not recall having to light a
fuse to fire my gun. My son has an Estes rocket. No fuse there, either. It
uses a couple of batteries in a remote control box.



NOYB December 8th 05 05:47 PM

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Doug Kanter wrote:
"NOYB" wrote in message
.net...

OK....let me get two things straight:

1) A Muslim person in Milwaukee cannot form opinions without help
from someone in a bad country.
He can form an opinion, but what can he do about it without money,
funding, and other support from other like-minded individuals halfway
around the globe.
Explosives do not cost a fortune. Any of us could come up with enough
cash for a suicide bombing.



The Patriot Act is terrific in ensuring that hate groups (Islamic,
white supremacist, or otherwise) can no longer fundraise and organize
with impunity.
A lone bomber does not need funding or organization of any kind. He can
learn anything he needs via email, encrypted in ways that even the NSA
will have difficulty with. Incidentally, the NSA has an enormous
backlog of communications to sift through.



2) That person in Milwaukee may have a job, but the money he makes is
different than money which might be given to him by a bad person from
another country, and cannot be used to buy explosives.
Buy them from whom? If it were so easy for radical Islamic terrorists
to do in the USA what they're doing in Iraq and Israel, they'd be
doing it already.
What a silly question. A bomber could build a device using supplies
obtained legally at any well stocked gun shop. It would be crude
compared to the stuff being used in the Middle East, but he could still
raise hell on a train or bus.

Is NOYB maintaining it is difficult to obtain or home-manfucture enough
explosives to take down a huge building or blow up a subway train in
this country?

Hmmmm.

Let's see. Explosive gunpowder.

We need:

* Saltpeter (Niter)
* Sulfur
* Charcoal or Sugar
* Water

The ratio is 75% saltpeter, 15% sulfur, 10 per cent charcoal.

Carefully and separately grind the three ingredients and mix them
together to make what is known as serpentine. Add a bit of water to
reduce dusting and hazard and make a slurry.
Force the slurry through a screen to make pellets and allow pellets to
dry.

Even a dentist could mix up this brew.


Do you have any idea how much gunpowder you'd have to sneak on to a bus
to blow up the bus, and ensure that you were killed in the
process...rather than just left severely maimed?

And if you're a Middle Eastern-looking dude, there's the little problem
of trying to light the fuse on a crowded bus while preventing some
suspicious individual who has been eyeing you all along from stomping
your head in the minute you take out the lighter.


Oh, please, you're missing the point entirely. It can be done, and easily.

Timothy McVeigh blew up a huge federal office building with homebrew
explosives. Pull up in your van next to a packed bus in rush hour, and
ka-boom. Don't be so damned naive.

Know a bit more about chemistry? You should. Try this in your dental lab:

Get yourself cyclotrimethylene-trinitramine (C3H6N6O6), commonly called
RDX (for "research development explosive"). The additive material is made
up of polyisobutylene, the binder, and di(2-ethylhexyl) sebacate, the
plasticizer (the element that makes the material malleable). It also
contains a small amount of motor oil.

Take RDX in powder form and mix it with water to form a slurry. Add the
binder material, dissolved in a solvent, and mix the materials with an
agitator. Remove the solvent through distillation, and remove the water
through drying and filtering. The result is a relatively stable, solid
explosive with a consistency similar to modelling clay.

An electrical detonator or blasting cap will set it off.

Any dentist could do this.

Oh, and this formula is no secret. It's available on "How Stuff Works."

Enjoy your naivete.


Perhaps while I'm in Home Depot picking up those ingredients, they'll have
some weapons grade uranium available too, eh?




Doug Kanter December 8th 05 05:54 PM

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"NOYB" wrote in message
.net...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Doug Kanter wrote:
"NOYB" wrote in message
.net...

OK....let me get two things straight:

1) A Muslim person in Milwaukee cannot form opinions without help
from someone in a bad country.
He can form an opinion, but what can he do about it without money,
funding, and other support from other like-minded individuals halfway
around the globe.
Explosives do not cost a fortune. Any of us could come up with enough
cash for a suicide bombing.



The Patriot Act is terrific in ensuring that hate groups (Islamic,
white supremacist, or otherwise) can no longer fundraise and organize
with impunity.
A lone bomber does not need funding or organization of any kind. He
can learn anything he needs via email, encrypted in ways that even the
NSA will have difficulty with. Incidentally, the NSA has an enormous
backlog of communications to sift through.



2) That person in Milwaukee may have a job, but the money he makes
is different than money which might be given to him by a bad person
from another country, and cannot be used to buy explosives.
Buy them from whom? If it were so easy for radical Islamic
terrorists to do in the USA what they're doing in Iraq and Israel,
they'd be doing it already.
What a silly question. A bomber could build a device using supplies
obtained legally at any well stocked gun shop. It would be crude
compared to the stuff being used in the Middle East, but he could
still raise hell on a train or bus.

Is NOYB maintaining it is difficult to obtain or home-manfucture enough
explosives to take down a huge building or blow up a subway train in
this country?

Hmmmm.

Let's see. Explosive gunpowder.

We need:

* Saltpeter (Niter)
* Sulfur
* Charcoal or Sugar
* Water

The ratio is 75% saltpeter, 15% sulfur, 10 per cent charcoal.

Carefully and separately grind the three ingredients and mix them
together to make what is known as serpentine. Add a bit of water to
reduce dusting and hazard and make a slurry.
Force the slurry through a screen to make pellets and allow pellets to
dry.

Even a dentist could mix up this brew.

Do you have any idea how much gunpowder you'd have to sneak on to a bus
to blow up the bus, and ensure that you were killed in the
process...rather than just left severely maimed?

And if you're a Middle Eastern-looking dude, there's the little problem
of trying to light the fuse on a crowded bus while preventing some
suspicious individual who has been eyeing you all along from stomping
your head in the minute you take out the lighter.


Oh, please, you're missing the point entirely. It can be done, and
easily.

Timothy McVeigh blew up a huge federal office building with homebrew
explosives. Pull up in your van next to a packed bus in rush hour, and
ka-boom. Don't be so damned naive.

Know a bit more about chemistry? You should. Try this in your dental lab:

Get yourself cyclotrimethylene-trinitramine (C3H6N6O6), commonly called
RDX (for "research development explosive"). The additive material is made
up of polyisobutylene, the binder, and di(2-ethylhexyl) sebacate, the
plasticizer (the element that makes the material malleable). It also
contains a small amount of motor oil.

Take RDX in powder form and mix it with water to form a slurry. Add the
binder material, dissolved in a solvent, and mix the materials with an
agitator. Remove the solvent through distillation, and remove the water
through drying and filtering. The result is a relatively stable, solid
explosive with a consistency similar to modelling clay.

An electrical detonator or blasting cap will set it off.

Any dentist could do this.

Oh, and this formula is no secret. It's available on "How Stuff Works."

Enjoy your naivete.


Perhaps while I'm in Home Depot picking up those ingredients, they'll have
some weapons grade uranium available too, eh?




Give it up already. Your entire premise is ridiculous and there is no way to
defend it any further.



thunder December 8th 05 05:57 PM

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On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 12:38:40 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:


Timothy McVeigh blew up a huge federal office building with homebrew
explosives. Pull up in your van next to a packed bus in rush hour, and
ka-boom. Don't be so damned naive


IIRC, McVeigh used fertilizer and diesel. The same concoction used in the
first WTC attack.

Bill McKee December 8th 05 06:05 PM

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Bill McKee wrote:
"NOYB" wrote in message
nk.net...
" *JimH*" wrote in message
...
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Taliban down 2 Yank choppers

WASHINGTON - Afghan insurgents downed two U.S. military choppers on
Sunday, bringing the year's total to four, in what experts call the
"Iraqization" of an escalating war with Al Qaeda and the Taliban.

"Initial indications reveal that enemy fire caused two CH-47 Chinook
helicopters involved in offensive operations in southern Afghanistan
to make hard landings Sunday," military commanders said in a statement
yesterday.

One chopper forced down near Kandahar resulted in five injured U.S.
troops. The second was hit about 50 miles north at Tarin Kowt, but
limped to a base. Both choppers were flying over Taliban strongholds
where fighting has raged this year.

The shootdowns alarm Afghan analysts, who also are worried by an
increase in roadside and suicide bombings this year, which have
dwarfed 2004's total.

"You are seeing the tactics from Iraq being transferred to
Afghanistan," said ex-Defense Intelligence Agency analyst Julie Sirrs.
"The \[enemy\] has had a resurgence this year."

James Gordon Meek
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_r...p-316464c.html


Yep...we're training 'em in Iraq and they're putting their skills to
work against us elsewhere.


Yep. No reported casualties.

But how about these reports that you did not report Harry:

http://tinyurl.com/9hqzf

http://tinyurl.com/dv7u4

http://tinyurl.com/9sol3

http://tinyurl.com/7jw8j

http://tinyurl.com/audyv

http://tinyurl.com/dxmtl

http://tinyurl.com/ckfjj

http://tinyurl.com/cpg2u

(I think I made my point.)

Oh my! How the bad news is advertised but the good news
suppressed.........including folks like Krause. ;-)
Harry has his websearch engine set to "Advanced: Doom and Gloom search
only".



Now, that is funny.


This is funny, too, right?

Nope, but is not what the funny comment was about. I guess your brain has
slipped and forgot that.



NOYB December 8th 05 06:13 PM

Taliban downs two US choppers
 

"thunder" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 12:38:40 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:


Timothy McVeigh blew up a huge federal office building with homebrew
explosives. Pull up in your van next to a packed bus in rush hour, and
ka-boom. Don't be so damned naive


IIRC, McVeigh used fertilizer and diesel. The same concoction used in the
first WTC attack...


....which was perpetrated by radical Islamic fundamentalists...just like the
OKC bombing.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...e.asp?ID=14904



Doug Kanter December 8th 05 06:16 PM

Taliban downs two US choppers
 

"NOYB" wrote in message
nk.net...

"thunder" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 12:38:40 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:


Timothy McVeigh blew up a huge federal office building with homebrew
explosives. Pull up in your van next to a packed bus in rush hour, and
ka-boom. Don't be so damned naive


IIRC, McVeigh used fertilizer and diesel. The same concoction used in
the
first WTC attack...


...which was perpetrated by radical Islamic fundamentalists...just like
the OKC bombing.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...e.asp?ID=14904


....egged on by a cleric from New Jersey. And, 9/11 was done by some guys who
hung out in Florida, enjoying themselves at strip clubs like any other
walkin' around slob.



Bill McKee December 8th 05 06:16 PM

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Bill McKee wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Bill McKee wrote:
"NOYB" wrote in message
nk.net...
" *JimH*" wrote in message
...
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Taliban down 2 Yank choppers

WASHINGTON - Afghan insurgents downed two U.S. military choppers on
Sunday, bringing the year's total to four, in what experts call the
"Iraqization" of an escalating war with Al Qaeda and the Taliban.

"Initial indications reveal that enemy fire caused two CH-47 Chinook
helicopters involved in offensive operations in southern Afghanistan
to make hard landings Sunday," military commanders said in a
statement yesterday.

One chopper forced down near Kandahar resulted in five injured U.S.
troops. The second was hit about 50 miles north at Tarin Kowt, but
limped to a base. Both choppers were flying over Taliban strongholds
where fighting has raged this year.

The shootdowns alarm Afghan analysts, who also are worried by an
increase in roadside and suicide bombings this year, which have
dwarfed 2004's total.

"You are seeing the tactics from Iraq being transferred to
Afghanistan," said ex-Defense Intelligence Agency analyst Julie
Sirrs. "The \[enemy\] has had a resurgence this year."

James Gordon Meek
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_r...p-316464c.html


Yep...we're training 'em in Iraq and they're putting their skills to
work against us elsewhere.

Yep. No reported casualties.

But how about these reports that you did not report Harry:

http://tinyurl.com/9hqzf

http://tinyurl.com/dv7u4

http://tinyurl.com/9sol3

http://tinyurl.com/7jw8j

http://tinyurl.com/audyv

http://tinyurl.com/dxmtl

http://tinyurl.com/ckfjj

http://tinyurl.com/cpg2u

(I think I made my point.)

Oh my! How the bad news is advertised but the good news
suppressed.........including folks like Krause. ;-)
Harry has his websearch engine set to "Advanced: Doom and Gloom
search only".


Now, that is funny.
This is funny, too, right?

Nope, but is not what the funny comment was about. I guess your brain
has slipped and forgot that.


I don't pay that much attention to the comments here of the right-wing
mentally challenged.




Bwaaaahhaaaaaahaaaaa.



Skipper December 8th 05 08:50 PM

Order out of Chaos
 
NOYB wrote:

I want to oust all of the governments in the Muslim world (not just Iraq)
that allow anti-Americanism to be taught in madrassas, and financed by money
collected through mosques. They're exporting that hatred around the
world...and without the supply of money and manpower flooding into the West,
those hate groups in England will shrivel up and die.


There is a fair amount of anti-Americanism being spouted by America's
enemies within.
A strong leader is needed to resolve our border, job export, fuel price,
over spending, and these fifth column activities. The answers are
simple; enforce existing laws and punish employers who hire illegals,
high tariffs for imported manufactured goods, imposing excess profits
taxes on oil companies, and backing strong conservatives for elective
office. Joe Lieberman could be the strong leader the Dems need. The
Republicans have a slew of conservative personalities who could do it.

--
Skipper

John H. December 8th 05 09:15 PM

Taliban downs two US choppers
 
On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 13:07:51 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:


I don't pay that much attention to the comments here of the right-wing
mentally challenged.


...especially when I can think of no retort but a personal attack.


Next time, finish the sentence, Harold.


--
John H

MERRY CHRISTMAS!

Wishing you Peace, Fellowship, and Good Humor as we celebrate the birth of OUR Lord, Jesus Christ on the Christmas Holy Day.

John H. December 8th 05 09:16 PM

Taliban downs two US choppers
 
On 8 Dec 2005 05:09:49 -0800, wrote:


NOYB wrote:
" *JimH*" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Taliban down 2 Yank choppers

WASHINGTON - Afghan insurgents downed two U.S. military choppers on
Sunday, bringing the year's total to four, in what experts call the
"Iraqization" of an escalating war with Al Qaeda and the Taliban.

"Initial indications reveal that enemy fire caused two CH-47 Chinook
helicopters involved in offensive operations in southern Afghanistan to
make hard landings Sunday," military commanders said in a statement
yesterday.

One chopper forced down near Kandahar resulted in five injured U.S.
troops. The second was hit about 50 miles north at Tarin Kowt, but limped
to a base. Both choppers were flying over Taliban strongholds where
fighting has raged this year.

The shootdowns alarm Afghan analysts, who also are worried by an increase
in roadside and suicide bombings this year, which have dwarfed 2004's
total.

"You are seeing the tactics from Iraq being transferred to Afghanistan,"
said ex-Defense Intelligence Agency analyst Julie Sirrs. "The \[enemy\]
has had a resurgence this year."

James Gordon Meek
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_r...p-316464c.html


Yep...we're training 'em in Iraq and they're putting their skills to work
against us elsewhere.



Yep. No reported casualties.

But how about these reports that you did not report Harry:

http://tinyurl.com/9hqzf

http://tinyurl.com/dv7u4

http://tinyurl.com/9sol3

http://tinyurl.com/7jw8j

http://tinyurl.com/audyv

http://tinyurl.com/dxmtl

http://tinyurl.com/ckfjj

http://tinyurl.com/cpg2u

(I think I made my point.)

Oh my! How the bad news is advertised but the good news
suppressed.........including folks like Krause. ;-)


Harry has his websearch engine set to "Advanced: Doom and Gloom search
only".


How Hertvikesque


The word is "Kevinesque", and doesn't apply here.

--
John H

MERRY CHRISTMAS!

Wishing you Peace, Fellowship, and Good Humor as we celebrate the birth of OUR Lord, Jesus Christ on the Christmas Holy Day.

NOYB December 8th 05 10:13 PM

Order out of Chaos
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

SUPPORT BUSH'S ENEMIES BUY CITGO GAS.


The enemy of our President is the enemy of the US you nimrod. Even when
Clinton was President (a man I abhored), I never supported our enemies over
him.




Skipper December 9th 05 12:25 AM

Order out of Chaos
 
Harry Krause wrote:

I'm not a...christian.


Then what are you?

--
Skipper

P. Fritz December 9th 05 12:31 AM

Order out of Chaos
 
A narcissist

"Skipper" wrote in message
...
Harry Krause wrote:

I'm not a...christian.


Then what are you?

--
Skipper




Wayne.B December 9th 05 02:04 AM

Order out of Chaos
 
On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 14:50:53 -0600, Skipper wrote:

A strong leader is needed to resolve our border...
...and these fifth column activities.


===========================================

Surely if you love your country (and we all should), then you must
also love the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

And you do, right?


Skipper December 9th 05 05:10 AM

Order out of Chaos
 

--
Skipper

Skipper December 9th 05 05:13 AM

Order out of Chaos
 
"Wayne.B" wrote:

Surely if you love your country (and we all should), then you must
also love the Constitution and Bill of Rights.


And you do, right?


Extremely right to left of center. Suppose I do middle road best.

--
Skipper


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