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A nacissist believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be
understood by, or should
associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)

requires excessive admiration

has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially
favorable treatment or
automatic compliance with his or her expectations

is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve
his or her own ends

lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and
needs of others

is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or
her

shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes


"Lord Reginald Smithers" Ask me about my driveway leading up to my manor.
wrote in message ...
Harry,
I have to say your macro seems to demonstrate a lot of deep seating anger
and resentment. Especially since I have always been polite in all of my
posts. This might explain why you had the outburst at Best Buy.

By the way, were you able to find the product you wanted at another store?


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Lord Reginald Smithers wrote:
Harry,

Here's a new macro for you, buttbrain:

I'm not interested in your directing towards me your opinions, your
suggestions, your commentary, your questions or, in fact, any of the
crap
you eject into this newsgroup. I've told you this many times. Anyone
else
with a working brain would have taken the hint by now.
You are not now nor anytime in the future going to be able to engage me
in any sort of discussion on any topic. All you are going to get from
me is a canned macro. Now, be a good little dicquehead and run off and
play with your retarded right-wing buddies here.


--
Somewhere in Texas, a village is missing its idiot.

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Jim Carter wrote:
"Lord Reginald Smithers" Ask me about my driveway leading up to my manor.
wrote in message . ..

JimC,
I am sorry, once you have been labeled a liberal, you have to live with

that

albatross the rest of your life.


Good Morning Lord Smithers: You are wrong! Totally wrong! Where is it
written that I have to have the label "Liberal" given to me for the rest of
my life? Oh....the humanity! My Conservative family will be devastated!
;-)

Anyway, who is it that makes the decision to place these labels on others?
Is it you?

Jim C.


Mr. Smithers is just the leader of the Gang of 7......I believe they
conspire to attach labels here.

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"Lord Reginald Smithers" Ask me about my driveway leading up to my manor.
wrote in message ...
Paul,
See my response below.


"P Fritz" wrote in message
...
First of all, it would be universal health insurance, not healthcare,
since anyone requiring care gets it regardless of the ability to pay.

Absolutely it is universal health insurance.

The problem with unviersal guvmint insurance is that it make everyone
suffer the same. Which is one of the goals of liebrals.

This would not neccessarily be true about one insurance policty fits
everyone, remember, my suggestion is to help keep yours and my costs as
low
as possible. Today, you and I are paying for all those without insurance
already. I would rather pay for cheap preventative care, than expensive
treatment due to lack of preventative care.

I agree that insurance companies would be better off pushing preventative
care and assessing higher premiums for not doing so, such as smoking etc.

Just as people can buy different health insurance today, different auto
insurance today, there is nothing to say we all have to have the same
health
insurance.

That was NOT the case with "hillarycare"


If I can afford better care because I work my ass off, then I should be
allowed to do that.

And you would not be required to us a national health care program if it
was
offered. In most countries with universal health insurance, there are
private health insurance providers for those who don't want to use the
limited govt. resources.

The idea is to find a way to lower yours and my health insurance costs.

The way to do that is higher deductibles. If people have to spend their
own money first, they will not rush to a doctor with a sniffle.

I pay $147.00 a month for insurance.




"Lord Reginald Smithers" Ask me about my driveway leading up to my
manor.
wrote in message . ..
Paul,

I agree that most cities have a hospital whose emergency rooms do not
turn
away patients. The problem is this is the most expensive way of
dispensing
healthcare. People are using emergency rooms when a less expensive
doctors
visit would suffice.

Since you agree that you and I are already paying for those w/o
insurance,
it is in yours and mine best interest to make sure we have the least
expensive program in place to provide universal healthcare.

"P Fritz" wrote in message
...
I disagree. The source of the problem is guvmint in the first place.
Emergency rooms don't turn away the non critical care for fear of
being
sued, and when you have health care coverage with tiny deductibles,
people
think nothing of squandering the health care resources, and the third
is
the
unnecessary test done to cover ones ass.

The number of uninsured is far overblown as well

"Lord Reginald Smithers" Ask me about my driveway leading up to my
manor.
wrote in message ...
JimC,

Bert's theory is a conservatives in Canada are as liberal as an
American
Liberal. He was not talking about any US party or group. I did
like
the
Canadian's Conservative's strong fiscal responsibility, which is
lacking
in
the US's Conservative Party. This is something we need to
understand,
we
cannot continue to spend more than we bring in.

I looked at the web site and most of the principles are ones that
conservatives from America would endorse. The only one I noticed
that
is
being hotly debated in the US today is universal health care. I for
one
believe this will become a fact in the US. I am concerned about the
inefficiency of all Governmental programs, but the current system is
not
working. Those without healthcare insurance are not being treated
when
an
illness can be treated inexpensively, they are going to emergency
rooms
when
they have severe health problems. Today, all Americans are paying
for
their
very expensive healthcare anyway. It would be cheaper for all
American's
if preventative healthcare was available for all, either through a
mandatory
private insurance companies, subsidized for the poor, or a Medicare
type
program. This is a 180 degree change for me, but I know our current
system
is not working.




"Jim Carter" wrote in message
...

"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...
"Jim Carter" wrote in message
.. .
Lord Smithers, I am definitely not a Liberal so please take me
off
your
list
as I am a card carrying member of the Federal Conservative
Party
of
Canada.

Makes you a Liberal/Progressive in the USA.

Good Morning Bert:
How could my being a member of a Political Party in Canada make me
a
member
of a Political Group in the USA. Are you that dense that you
think
a
Canadian Citizen can be a member of your voting group? You need
to
go
back
to school to learn how your own system works.

Jim C.

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Harry Krause wrote:
P Fritz wrote:

"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
. ..

"Don White" wrote in message
...

P. Fritz wrote:

Donny and harry think the "I know you are but what am I" response is
some sort of intellectual response. It is pretty funny to watch them
have their little circle jerk fest.

There you go with the circles & jerks again.
You do have to find another hobby.

Are you speaking from a position of experience?



And he proves my point LOL




Ooohhhh...Fritz and Robbins, circling and jerking each other, right here
in rec.boats.


How unseemly...at least they could get a room and spare the decent
newsgroup participants.

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Don,
Do you think it is funny that the person who is complaining about someone
making a joke about "labels" comes up with a new label called "The Gang of
7"?

I know you find the burden of your albatross to be very heavy, if I can help
in anyway, let me know. I might be able to make an exception in your
situation and let me become a member of the one true "label".




"Don White" wrote in message
...
Jim Carter wrote:
"Lord Reginald Smithers" Ask me about my driveway leading up to my
manor.
wrote in message . ..

JimC,
I am sorry, once you have been labeled a liberal, you have to live with

that

albatross the rest of your life.


Good Morning Lord Smithers: You are wrong! Totally wrong! Where is
it
written that I have to have the label "Liberal" given to me for the rest
of
my life? Oh....the humanity! My Conservative family will be
devastated!
;-)

Anyway, who is it that makes the decision to place these labels on
others?
Is it you?

Jim C.


Mr. Smithers is just the leader of the Gang of 7......I believe they
conspire to attach labels here.

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"P Fritz" wrote in message
...

"Jim Carter" wrote in message
.. .

"P Fritz" wrote in message
...

The down side is that policy (economic, forgeign etc) can change at
the
drop
of the hat. Here in the states, things remain stable (as in
direction)
for 4 years.

In Canada, under Parliamentary rule, if the government screws up, we
change
the government. Under your system, if the government screws up, your
stuck
with it!

If you are a clear thinker, which is best?

I still feel the US system is better, we are not "stuck", there is a
removal process, the bar is just set higher than a change in the wind

Jim C.

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P Fritz wrote:

snip
If I can afford better care because I work my ass off, then I should be
allowed to do that.


You really are quite the snob.
Indeed, why should those common folk clog up the waiting room ...and the
idea of someone important like you forced to stand in line!
It's just not right.

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"P Fritz" wrote in message
...

I still feel the US system is better, we are not "stuck", there is a
removal process, the bar is just set higher than a change in the wind

No Mr.Fritz, you are stuck with the same government. You can get rid of
your President but the government stays until the next election. We, here
in Canada, can change the government.

Jim C.

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Don,
There are many in Canada who pay for separate health care insurance and/or
healthcare private system in Canada or travel to the US to use US private
healthcare.

Paul is not unique being willing to pay a premium for premium healthcare.



"Don White" wrote in message
...
P Fritz wrote:

snip If I can afford better care because I work my ass off, then I should
be
allowed to do that.


You really are quite the snob.
Indeed, why should those common folk clog up the waiting room ...and the
idea of someone important like you forced to stand in line!
It's just not right.

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"Lord Reginald Smithers" Ask me about my driveway leading up to my manor.
wrote in message . ..
Don,
There are many in Canada who pay for separate health care insurance and/or
healthcare private system in Canada or travel to the US to use US private
healthcare.

Paul is not unique being willing to pay a premium for premium healthcare.
You are partially correct, Lord Smithers. I, for one, did pay a premium
with a private insurance company for "special" treatments such as private
hospital room instead of a ward bed. I also had dental care and eye
glasses paid by the insurance company. The very rich get special
facilities because of the higher price that they pay in insurance and the
very poor don't pay anything as the government takes complete care of them.
The reason that you were only partly correct is that there is not "private"
health care available, here in Canada,
Jim C.

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Donniy's socialist roots are showing LOL

"Lord Reginald Smithers" Ask me about my driveway leading up to my manor.
wrote in message . ..
Don,
There are many in Canada who pay for separate health care insurance and/or
healthcare private system in Canada or travel to the US to use US private
healthcare.

Paul is not unique being willing to pay a premium for premium healthcare.



"Don White" wrote in message
...
P Fritz wrote:

snip If I can afford better care because I work my ass off, then I
should
be
allowed to do that.


You really are quite the snob.
Indeed, why should those common folk clog up the waiting room ...and the
idea of someone important like you forced to stand in line!
It's just not right.

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JimC,
CBC disagrees with you about Canadian Private Healthcare.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/he...s_private.html



"Jim Carter" wrote in message
...

"Lord Reginald Smithers" Ask me about my driveway leading up to my
manor.
wrote in message . ..
Don,
There are many in Canada who pay for separate health care insurance
and/or
healthcare private system in Canada or travel to the US to use US private
healthcare.

Paul is not unique being willing to pay a premium for premium healthcare.
You are partially correct, Lord Smithers. I, for one, did pay a premium
with a private insurance company for "special" treatments such as private
hospital room instead of a ward bed. I also had dental care and eye
glasses paid by the insurance company. The very rich get special
facilities because of the higher price that they pay in insurance and the
very poor don't pay anything as the government takes complete care of
them.
The reason that you were only partly correct is that there is not
"private"
health care available, here in Canada,
Jim C.

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Lord Reginald Smithers wrote:
JimC,
CBC disagrees with you about Canadian Private Healthcare.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/he...s_private.html


It's an ongoing struggle here. As one of Canada's 'have not' provinces,
Nova Scotia has a hard time affording our medical care...especially
when the Federal gov't under that smarmy %$^%& Brian Mulroney so
drastically reduced their share of the costs.
One of the first 'private clinics' was opened by the infamous Henry
Morgentaler to perform abortions.....even though 1500 a year were
already being performed quietly at a major hospital in the city.
So much for being private....he took the provincial govt to court to
force it to include his services under the medical act and therefore pay
his clinic for services.

Now we get situations where doctors buy an expensive piece of testing
equipment and advertise speedy service for a fee rather than wait months
for free tests.

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Harry Krause wrote:


One of my union clients provides a "supplemental" program to its
Canadian members to cover those items. Dues subsidize the cost of the
program, so the out-of-pocket to the Canadian union member approaches zero.

I buy my health insurance from my union, It's expensive, but the
deductibles are zip and the co-pays are low. I pay $15 for a doctor's
office visit. It's a PPO plan, and so far the few doctors I've seen
through the program are first-rate. If I need an Rx, the generics are $5
to $8, and the "name brands" are 20% of the regular price.


When working, my wife & I had two plans to cover prescriptions, eye
glasses, private hospital room...even massages if you needed one.
My plan disappeared when I retired but she is still included under her
company's family plan, but must pay half the costs ($80.00 CDN per month)

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Don,
Is that a bad thing? In all countries they allocate limited medical
resources in some fashion or other. In those countries with socialized
medicine, they use a "wait" period to help allocate limited resources.
Should those who don't want to wait, be forced to travel to the US?


"Don White" wrote in message
...
Lord Reginald Smithers wrote:
JimC,
CBC disagrees with you about Canadian Private Healthcare.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/he...s_private.html


It's an ongoing struggle here. As one of Canada's 'have not' provinces,
Nova Scotia has a hard time affording our medical care...especially when
the Federal gov't under that smarmy %$^%& Brian Mulroney so drastically
reduced their share of the costs.
One of the first 'private clinics' was opened by the infamous Henry
Morgentaler to perform abortions.....even though 1500 a year were already
being performed quietly at a major hospital in the city.
So much for being private....he took the provincial govt to court to force
it to include his services under the medical act and therefore pay his
clinic for services.

Now we get situations where doctors buy an expensive piece of testing
equipment and advertise speedy service for a fee rather than wait months
for free tests.

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"Lord Reginald Smithers" Ask me about my driveway leading up to my manor.
wrote in message ...
JimC,
CBC disagrees with you about Canadian Private Healthcare.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/he...s_private.html
Thank you Lord Smithers for the article from CBC.

I did read this and I can, perhaps, change my perception of what is
"private". It is really a misnomer. It is "extra" that I pay for the
insurance to get a little bit better treatment as far as the rooms, and
certain services that are not covered by the government. Some things not
covered for most people are eyeglasses and dental treatment. The
government believes that if you can afford to pay for certain services, then
the government will not cover it for you. Poor people get 100% coverage.
What I take as "Private" Health care is when you don't have to wait for
services. This is technically illegal in Canada. Certain clinics were
"grandfathered" into the system but no new ones are allowed. The one thing
that we have here in Canada is the treatment for our veterans. There
treatment is like "Royal" treatment. My Dad gets anything he needs for
free and it's delivered to his house. If he needs to go to the doctors
office. He can take a wheelchair bus and it is free, door to door.

I hope I have explained it to you OK. I am not a very good writer.

Jim C.

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On Tue, 06 Dec 2005 22:06:54 -0400, Terry Spragg wrote:

John H. wrote:


MERRY CHRISTMAS!

Wishing you peace, fellowship, and good humor as we celebrate the birth of our Lord, Jesus Christ on the Christmas Holy Day.

"our" lord? Who are you to force YOUR lord on any and all individuals?


"Our" is an inclusionary term, meaning, first "Our group, not your
group." Or an exclusionary term. It delineates groups. Neutrally.

Second "All of us, wether you know it or not, are bounded by the
logic of the universe, wether you understand it or not."

Force? What force? Bugger off, if you want to. Or, try to
understand Christ. Press "N" for next.

He ain't easy. If you get as far as "OH, Lord, why have you
foresaken me?" You will have come far, indeed.

MERRY CHRISTMAS!

Wishing you peace, fellowship, and good humor as we celebrate the birth of our Lord, Jesus Christ on the Christmas Holy Day.

One feast day of many? Yet, will you argue that a man needs no
sabbath? Even from sabbaths? For the sabbath was "ordained for the
good of men."

Whatever day you celebrate, thankfully. Variety is good. Free will
is good. Rest is good. Spending wages earned is good, and requires
a day off in which to do it. Commerce is good. Communications is
good. You are good, maybe just a little off target. Give peace a
chance, if you hope for peace.

Merry Festivus.

Terry K

I use ''OUR" to mean all men who desire to celebrate the birth of Jesus! The 'birth' is celebrated
on only one day. I wish you peace, fellowship, and good humor on every other day as well!

--
John H

MERRY CHRISTMAS!

Wishing you Peace, Fellowship, and Good Humor as we celebrate the birth of OUR Lord, Jesus Christ on the Christmas Holy Day.

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Don White wrote:

Dan Krueger wrote:

That's lame. I'm sure YOU got a chuckle when you hit the "SEND"
button, but anyone who graduated high school would find it pathetic
and sad.



So ...since you only find it "lame"...am I to believe you haven't
graduated from High School?
That does answer some questions.

??? Right, Don. Nice spin. Weak and transparent however.

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Liberalism.......The fear that somewhere, someone is having a good time.
The goal of Liberalism.....To have everyone share equally in misery.

"Lord Reginald Smithers" Ask me about my driveway leading up to my
manor. wrote in message ...
Don,
Is that a bad thing? In all countries they allocate limited medical
resources in some fashion or other. In those countries with socialized
medicine, they use a "wait" period to help allocate limited resources.
Should those who don't want to wait, be forced to travel to the US?


"Don White" wrote in message
...
Lord Reginald Smithers wrote:
JimC,
CBC disagrees with you about Canadian Private Healthcare.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/he...s_private.html


It's an ongoing struggle here. As one of Canada's 'have not'
provinces,
Nova Scotia has a hard time affording our medical care...especially
when
the Federal gov't under that smarmy %$^%& Brian Mulroney so drastically
reduced their share of the costs.
One of the first 'private clinics' was opened by the infamous Henry
Morgentaler to perform abortions.....even though 1500 a year were
already
being performed quietly at a major hospital in the city.
So much for being private....he took the provincial govt to court to
force
it to include his services under the medical act and therefore pay his
clinic for services.

Now we get situations where doctors buy an expensive piece of testing
equipment and advertise speedy service for a fee rather than wait
months
for free tests.