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Boarded by the Coast Guard yesterday
On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 23:57:05 GMT, DownTime
wrote: I had thought that similar to a search of private property, such as a vehicle or a house, law enforcement can not simply search because they are in the neighborhood, or in this case, passing you in the channel. ======================== In theory, only the USCG has the right to board and inspect your vessel without probable cause. It's not easy to do, but if more people would "just say no", some of this nonsense might stop eventually. |
Boarded by the Coast Guard yesterday
NOYB wrote: wrote in message oups.com... (!) He looked really puzzled after he asked whether we had our sanitation Y valve wired shut and I told him "no". I let him stew for a few seconds before telling him we have an approved Type I MSD. Whenever a vessel equipped with a Type I or Type II MSD (these types discharge treated sewage) is operating in an area of water that has been declared a No Discharge Zone, the MSD cannot be used and must be secured to prevent discharge.When operating in a No Discharge Zone, a Type I or Type II MSD must be secured in some way to prevent discharge. Closing the seacock and padlocking, using a non-releasable wire-tie, or removing the seacock handle would be sufficient. http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknow...ting/4_2_f.htm Chuck, If you have a Type I or Type II MSD, the MSD must be secured with a seacock and padlocking or wire-tie. From the definitions that I've read, it appears that I have a Type III MSD...and only the Type III MSD doesn't need to be padlocked or wired shut. Your Type I MSD *does* need to be secured according to the description that I posted above. You've got it backward, NOYB. A type-III system is a holding tank. A holding tank does nothing to disinfect human waste. It's simply a storage tank for sewage. You can't pump your holding tank overboard in any inland waters or less than three miles offshore. The only time you can operate in inland waters or less than 3-miles offshore with a Type III without your Y valve wired shut is if you own one of the increasing numbers of boats that have no option for disposal of waste except a pumpout- and in that case you won't have a Y valve. A type-I system reduces the bacterial count to something that would compare to the output of a typical, shoreside, sewage treatment plant and (mine, at least) also "liquifies" any solids before discharge. Outside of a designated no-discharge zone, it is not illegal to dump properly treated sewage into the water. (That's exactly what happens to it if you pump out and it goes to a taxpayer funded shoreside facility- it gets treated and dumped back into the water). I do have a holding tank on board for use in a no-discharge zone. When boarded, I was not in a no-discharge zone and I did not have my Y valve wired shut. (I don't "wire it shut" when we switch to the holding tank, to be honest- it's down in the engine room and there is no chance that anybody would ever mess with it except myself. |
Boarded by the Coast Guard yesterday
Here in Michigan, the law was amended in 2002 and now states:.. The
operator of the vessel shall do the following upon the request of the peace officer:..... If the vessel does not bear a decal described in section 80166a or an equivalent decal issued by or on behalf of another state, submit to a reasonable inspection and test....." The decal referenced is the VSC decal, from the Auxiliary or the Power Squadron, and now used by all DNR and County marine patrols (yes, they all use the IDENTICAL decal!!). So, if you have a current decal and there is no cause, you will not be inspected on Michigan waters by different agencies. (Note: this is state law, and the CG is not subject to it, so they can inspect as they please). See http://www.legislature.mi.gov/mileg....166&highlight= AFAIK, Michigan is the only state that codified benefits to receiving a Vessel Safety Check and receiving a decal when all requirements are met. Bud - US Coast Guard Auxiliary 9CR |
Boarded by the Coast Guard yesterday
wrote in message ups.com... NOYB wrote: wrote in message oups.com... (!) He looked really puzzled after he asked whether we had our sanitation Y valve wired shut and I told him "no". I let him stew for a few seconds before telling him we have an approved Type I MSD. Whenever a vessel equipped with a Type I or Type II MSD (these types discharge treated sewage) is operating in an area of water that has been declared a No Discharge Zone, the MSD cannot be used and must be secured to prevent discharge.When operating in a No Discharge Zone, a Type I or Type II MSD must be secured in some way to prevent discharge. Closing the seacock and padlocking, using a non-releasable wire-tie, or removing the seacock handle would be sufficient. http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknow...ting/4_2_f.htm Chuck, If you have a Type I or Type II MSD, the MSD must be secured with a seacock and padlocking or wire-tie. From the definitions that I've read, it appears that I have a Type III MSD...and only the Type III MSD doesn't need to be padlocked or wired shut. Your Type I MSD *does* need to be secured according to the description that I posted above. You've got it backward, NOYB. "Whenever a vessel equipped with a Type I or Type II MSD (these types discharge treated sewage) is operating in an area of water that has been declared a No Discharge Zone, the MSD cannot be used and must be secured to prevent discharge." http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknow...ting/4_2_f.htm |
Boarded by the Coast Guard yesterday
NOYB wrote: wrote in message ups.com... NOYB wrote: wrote in message oups.com... (!) He looked really puzzled after he asked whether we had our sanitation Y valve wired shut and I told him "no". I let him stew for a few seconds before telling him we have an approved Type I MSD. Whenever a vessel equipped with a Type I or Type II MSD (these types discharge treated sewage) is operating in an area of water that has been declared a No Discharge Zone, the MSD cannot be used and must be secured to prevent discharge.When operating in a No Discharge Zone, a Type I or Type II MSD must be secured in some way to prevent discharge. Closing the seacock and padlocking, using a non-releasable wire-tie, or removing the seacock handle would be sufficient. http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknow...ting/4_2_f.htm Chuck, If you have a Type I or Type II MSD, the MSD must be secured with a seacock and padlocking or wire-tie. From the definitions that I've read, it appears that I have a Type III MSD...and only the Type III MSD doesn't need to be padlocked or wired shut. Your Type I MSD *does* need to be secured according to the description that I posted above. You've got it backward, NOYB. "Whenever a vessel equipped with a Type I or Type II MSD (these types discharge treated sewage) is operating in an area of water that has been declared a No Discharge Zone, the MSD cannot be used and must be secured to prevent discharge." http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknow...ting/4_2_f.htm Here's the portion that you keep overlooking: "Whenever a vessel equipped with a Type I or Type II MSD (these types discharge treated sewage) is operating in an area of water that has been declared a No Discharge Zone,............................ Most of Puget Sound is *not* a no discharge zone. It is, of course, illegal to discharge *untreated* sewage anywhere in inland waters or less than three miles off shore. The difference is that in a "no discharge zone" you can't dump treated sewage, either. |
Boarded by the Coast Guard yesterday
wrote in message oups.com... NOYB wrote: wrote in message ups.com... NOYB wrote: wrote in message oups.com... (!) He looked really puzzled after he asked whether we had our sanitation Y valve wired shut and I told him "no". I let him stew for a few seconds before telling him we have an approved Type I MSD. Whenever a vessel equipped with a Type I or Type II MSD (these types discharge treated sewage) is operating in an area of water that has been declared a No Discharge Zone, the MSD cannot be used and must be secured to prevent discharge.When operating in a No Discharge Zone, a Type I or Type II MSD must be secured in some way to prevent discharge. Closing the seacock and padlocking, using a non-releasable wire-tie, or removing the seacock handle would be sufficient. http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknow...ting/4_2_f.htm Chuck, If you have a Type I or Type II MSD, the MSD must be secured with a seacock and padlocking or wire-tie. From the definitions that I've read, it appears that I have a Type III MSD...and only the Type III MSD doesn't need to be padlocked or wired shut. Your Type I MSD *does* need to be secured according to the description that I posted above. You've got it backward, NOYB. "Whenever a vessel equipped with a Type I or Type II MSD (these types discharge treated sewage) is operating in an area of water that has been declared a No Discharge Zone, the MSD cannot be used and must be secured to prevent discharge." http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknow...ting/4_2_f.htm Here's the portion that you keep overlooking: "Whenever a vessel equipped with a Type I or Type II MSD (these types discharge treated sewage) is operating in an area of water that has been declared a No Discharge Zone,............................ Most of Puget Sound is *not* a no discharge zone. It is, of course, illegal to discharge *untreated* sewage anywhere in inland waters or less than three miles off shore. The difference is that in a "no discharge zone" you can't dump treated sewage, either. Thanks. Here's mo [[Page 503]] (b) When operating a vessel on a body of water where the discharge of treated or untreated sewage is prohibited by the Environmental Protection Agency under 40 CFR 140.3 or 140.4, the operator must secure each Type I or Type II device in a manner which prevents discharge of treated or untreated sewage. Acceptable methods of securing the device include-- (1) Closing the seacock and removing the handle; (2) Padlocking the seacock in the closed position; (3) Using a non-releasable wire-tie to hold the seacock in the closed position; or (4) Locking the door to the space enclosing the toilets with a padlock or door handle key lock. (c) When operating a vessel on a body of water where the discharge of untreated sewage is prohibited by the Environmental Protection Agency under 40 CFR 140.3, the operator must secure each Type III device in a manner which prevents discharge of sewage. Acceptable methods of securing the device include-- (1) Closing each valve leading to an overboard discharge and removing the handle; (2) Padlocking each valve leading to an overboard discharge in the closed position; or (3) Using a non-releasable wire-tie to hold each valve leading to an overboard discharge in the closed position. [CGH 95-028, 62 FR 51194, Sept. 30, 1997]So what constitutes a "non-releasable wire-tie"? And how do I fasten it to my thru-hull seacock?Would monel wire wrapped several times around it suffice? |
Boarded by the Coast Guard yesterday
"NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... wrote in message oups.com... NOYB wrote: wrote in message ups.com... NOYB wrote: wrote in message oups.com... (!) He looked really puzzled after he asked whether we had our sanitation Y valve wired shut and I told him "no". I let him stew for a few seconds before telling him we have an approved Type I MSD. Whenever a vessel equipped with a Type I or Type II MSD (these types discharge treated sewage) is operating in an area of water that has been declared a No Discharge Zone, the MSD cannot be used and must be secured to prevent discharge.When operating in a No Discharge Zone, a Type I or Type II MSD must be secured in some way to prevent discharge. Closing the seacock and padlocking, using a non-releasable wire-tie, or removing the seacock handle would be sufficient. http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknow...ting/4_2_f.htm Chuck, If you have a Type I or Type II MSD, the MSD must be secured with a seacock and padlocking or wire-tie. From the definitions that I've read, it appears that I have a Type III MSD...and only the Type III MSD doesn't need to be padlocked or wired shut. Your Type I MSD *does* need to be secured according to the description that I posted above. You've got it backward, NOYB. "Whenever a vessel equipped with a Type I or Type II MSD (these types discharge treated sewage) is operating in an area of water that has been declared a No Discharge Zone, the MSD cannot be used and must be secured to prevent discharge." http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknow...ting/4_2_f.htm Here's the portion that you keep overlooking: "Whenever a vessel equipped with a Type I or Type II MSD (these types discharge treated sewage) is operating in an area of water that has been declared a No Discharge Zone,............................ Most of Puget Sound is *not* a no discharge zone. It is, of course, illegal to discharge *untreated* sewage anywhere in inland waters or less than three miles off shore. The difference is that in a "no discharge zone" you can't dump treated sewage, either. Thanks. Are you going to believe me now? |
Boarded by the Coast Guard yesterday
" *JimH*" wrote in message . .. "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... wrote in message oups.com... NOYB wrote: wrote in message ups.com... NOYB wrote: wrote in message oups.com... (!) He looked really puzzled after he asked whether we had our sanitation Y valve wired shut and I told him "no". I let him stew for a few seconds before telling him we have an approved Type I MSD. Whenever a vessel equipped with a Type I or Type II MSD (these types discharge treated sewage) is operating in an area of water that has been declared a No Discharge Zone, the MSD cannot be used and must be secured to prevent discharge.When operating in a No Discharge Zone, a Type I or Type II MSD must be secured in some way to prevent discharge. Closing the seacock and padlocking, using a non-releasable wire-tie, or removing the seacock handle would be sufficient. http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknow...ting/4_2_f.htm Chuck, If you have a Type I or Type II MSD, the MSD must be secured with a seacock and padlocking or wire-tie. From the definitions that I've read, it appears that I have a Type III MSD...and only the Type III MSD doesn't need to be padlocked or wired shut. Your Type I MSD *does* need to be secured according to the description that I posted above. You've got it backward, NOYB. "Whenever a vessel equipped with a Type I or Type II MSD (these types discharge treated sewage) is operating in an area of water that has been declared a No Discharge Zone, the MSD cannot be used and must be secured to prevent discharge." http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknow...ting/4_2_f.htm Here's the portion that you keep overlooking: "Whenever a vessel equipped with a Type I or Type II MSD (these types discharge treated sewage) is operating in an area of water that has been declared a No Discharge Zone,............................ Most of Puget Sound is *not* a no discharge zone. It is, of course, illegal to discharge *untreated* sewage anywhere in inland waters or less than three miles off shore. The difference is that in a "no discharge zone" you can't dump treated sewage, either. Thanks. Are you going to believe me now? I believed you before. I just was confused as to why Gould felt that he didn't need to secure his Type I MSD...and the answer was that he was not in a "No Discharge Zone". So tell me... How do I use wire to secure my thru-hull seacock? |
Boarded by the Coast Guard yesterday
"NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... " *JimH*" wrote in message . .. "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... wrote in message oups.com... NOYB wrote: wrote in message ups.com... NOYB wrote: wrote in message oups.com... (!) He looked really puzzled after he asked whether we had our sanitation Y valve wired shut and I told him "no". I let him stew for a few seconds before telling him we have an approved Type I MSD. Whenever a vessel equipped with a Type I or Type II MSD (these types discharge treated sewage) is operating in an area of water that has been declared a No Discharge Zone, the MSD cannot be used and must be secured to prevent discharge.When operating in a No Discharge Zone, a Type I or Type II MSD must be secured in some way to prevent discharge. Closing the seacock and padlocking, using a non-releasable wire-tie, or removing the seacock handle would be sufficient. http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknow...ting/4_2_f.htm Chuck, If you have a Type I or Type II MSD, the MSD must be secured with a seacock and padlocking or wire-tie. From the definitions that I've read, it appears that I have a Type III MSD...and only the Type III MSD doesn't need to be padlocked or wired shut. Your Type I MSD *does* need to be secured according to the description that I posted above. You've got it backward, NOYB. "Whenever a vessel equipped with a Type I or Type II MSD (these types discharge treated sewage) is operating in an area of water that has been declared a No Discharge Zone, the MSD cannot be used and must be secured to prevent discharge." http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknow...ting/4_2_f.htm Here's the portion that you keep overlooking: "Whenever a vessel equipped with a Type I or Type II MSD (these types discharge treated sewage) is operating in an area of water that has been declared a No Discharge Zone,............................ Most of Puget Sound is *not* a no discharge zone. It is, of course, illegal to discharge *untreated* sewage anywhere in inland waters or less than three miles off shore. The difference is that in a "no discharge zone" you can't dump treated sewage, either. Thanks. Are you going to believe me now? I believed you before. I just was confused as to why Gould felt that he didn't need to secure his Type I MSD...and the answer was that he was not in a "No Discharge Zone". So tell me... How do I use wire to secure my thru-hull seacock? Remove the handle or wire the handle closed with a plastic wire tie. |
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