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Boarded by the Coast Guard yesterday
Enroute from Seattle to Poulsbo, (to do a little "holiday" shopping),
we got hauled down by the Coast Guard in Port Madison. It was really no big deal, but I thought a few things were odd: First, I was monitoring 16 but there was no attempt to hail the boat. The CG was originally proceeding in the opposite direction, but then did a quick turn to come up along side. Second, the kids were, *kids*!. Two male and two female officers, (the female officers stayed aboard the patrol boat), but they all looked like they had graduated high school just last June. I sort of had to help the one kid through the inspection. He didn't know the name of the body of water where he had stopped us. (!) He looked really puzzled after he asked whether we had our sanitation Y valve wired shut and I told him "no". I let him stew for a few seconds before telling him we have an approved Type I MSD. He was really relieved as he continued his report. "Oh, yeah! Approved Type I MSD! Super, thanks." They looked at: 1) Documentation and ID 2) PFD's 3) oil discharge placard 4) garbage placard 5) fire extinguishers 6) horn 7) throwable devices (we carry two life rings) They made a big deal about having Chart #1 on board. (I did). They didn't even ask to see my flares........and that's a good thing as my 12-gauge flares expired the end of November 2005. :-) While the one officer followed me around the boat to check off his list, the other officer sat at the dining table and called a *lot* of personal information from my driver's license into a central data bank. I did get a warning for my horn. Every few years that electric horn gives out, and in the wet weather we have had the last few weeks it decided to crap out since the last use and just in time for the CG boarding. I think I'll look into an air horn. The CG officer did mention that if I get boarded again and the horn isn't working the CG can order me to cease operations- so I'll pick up a canned horn (which is enough to meet the requirement) while deciding about the air horn. Worst part of the experience was the 15 minute delay. Overall, the CG was very professional and polite. |
Boarded by the Coast Guard yesterday
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Boarded by the Coast Guard yesterday
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Boarded by the Coast Guard yesterday
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Boarded by the Coast Guard yesterday
Chuck,
What are the rules regarding sanitation Y valves? How do I know if I have a Type I MSD. My system has a Jabsco electric flush toilet, that dumps into a holding tank. There are two through-hulls. One is the inlet through-hull to allow sea water in for flushing. The other is the outlet through-hull that pumps out the holding tank underneath the boat. On the side walkaround, there is a pump-out cap. When you flush the toilet, it goes to the small holding tank. You then have to press a button on the rear bulkhead of the cabin to pump the waste through the outlet through-hull. If the outlet through-hull is closed, the waste pumps up through the topside pump out drain that's covered with a cap. Is that a Type I MSD? wrote in message oups.com... Enroute from Seattle to Poulsbo, (to do a little "holiday" shopping), we got hauled down by the Coast Guard in Port Madison. It was really no big deal, but I thought a few things were odd: First, I was monitoring 16 but there was no attempt to hail the boat. The CG was originally proceeding in the opposite direction, but then did a quick turn to come up along side. Second, the kids were, *kids*!. Two male and two female officers, (the female officers stayed aboard the patrol boat), but they all looked like they had graduated high school just last June. I sort of had to help the one kid through the inspection. He didn't know the name of the body of water where he had stopped us. (!) He looked really puzzled after he asked whether we had our sanitation Y valve wired shut and I told him "no". I let him stew for a few seconds before telling him we have an approved Type I MSD. He was really relieved as he continued his report. "Oh, yeah! Approved Type I MSD! Super, thanks." They looked at: 1) Documentation and ID 2) PFD's 3) oil discharge placard 4) garbage placard 5) fire extinguishers 6) horn 7) throwable devices (we carry two life rings) They made a big deal about having Chart #1 on board. (I did). They didn't even ask to see my flares........and that's a good thing as my 12-gauge flares expired the end of November 2005. :-) While the one officer followed me around the boat to check off his list, the other officer sat at the dining table and called a *lot* of personal information from my driver's license into a central data bank. I did get a warning for my horn. Every few years that electric horn gives out, and in the wet weather we have had the last few weeks it decided to crap out since the last use and just in time for the CG boarding. I think I'll look into an air horn. The CG officer did mention that if I get boarded again and the horn isn't working the CG can order me to cease operations- so I'll pick up a canned horn (which is enough to meet the requirement) while deciding about the air horn. Worst part of the experience was the 15 minute delay. Overall, the CG was very professional and polite. |
Boarded by the Coast Guard yesterday
You have a type 3.
a.. Type I MSD's treat sewage so that the discharged effluent meets specified standards for bacteria content and contains no visible floating solids. a.. Type II MSD's are similar, but must meet a higher standard of sewage treatment. a.. Type III MSD's retain sewage for shore based disposal or discharge beyond the three mile offshore limit. "NOYB" wrote in message link.net... Chuck, What are the rules regarding sanitation Y valves? How do I know if I have a Type I MSD. My system has a Jabsco electric flush toilet, that dumps into a holding tank. There are two through-hulls. One is the inlet through-hull to allow sea water in for flushing. The other is the outlet through-hull that pumps out the holding tank underneath the boat. On the side walkaround, there is a pump-out cap. When you flush the toilet, it goes to the small holding tank. You then have to press a button on the rear bulkhead of the cabin to pump the waste through the outlet through-hull. If the outlet through-hull is closed, the waste pumps up through the topside pump out drain that's covered with a cap. Is that a Type I MSD? wrote in message oups.com... Enroute from Seattle to Poulsbo, (to do a little "holiday" shopping), we got hauled down by the Coast Guard in Port Madison. It was really no big deal, but I thought a few things were odd: First, I was monitoring 16 but there was no attempt to hail the boat. The CG was originally proceeding in the opposite direction, but then did a quick turn to come up along side. Second, the kids were, *kids*!. Two male and two female officers, (the female officers stayed aboard the patrol boat), but they all looked like they had graduated high school just last June. I sort of had to help the one kid through the inspection. He didn't know the name of the body of water where he had stopped us. (!) He looked really puzzled after he asked whether we had our sanitation Y valve wired shut and I told him "no". I let him stew for a few seconds before telling him we have an approved Type I MSD. He was really relieved as he continued his report. "Oh, yeah! Approved Type I MSD! Super, thanks." They looked at: 1) Documentation and ID 2) PFD's 3) oil discharge placard 4) garbage placard 5) fire extinguishers 6) horn 7) throwable devices (we carry two life rings) They made a big deal about having Chart #1 on board. (I did). They didn't even ask to see my flares........and that's a good thing as my 12-gauge flares expired the end of November 2005. :-) While the one officer followed me around the boat to check off his list, the other officer sat at the dining table and called a *lot* of personal information from my driver's license into a central data bank. I did get a warning for my horn. Every few years that electric horn gives out, and in the wet weather we have had the last few weeks it decided to crap out since the last use and just in time for the CG boarding. I think I'll look into an air horn. The CG officer did mention that if I get boarded again and the horn isn't working the CG can order me to cease operations- so I'll pick up a canned horn (which is enough to meet the requirement) while deciding about the air horn. Worst part of the experience was the 15 minute delay. Overall, the CG was very professional and polite. |
Boarded by the Coast Guard yesterday
wrote in message oups.com... (!) He looked really puzzled after he asked whether we had our sanitation Y valve wired shut and I told him "no". I let him stew for a few seconds before telling him we have an approved Type I MSD. Whenever a vessel equipped with a Type I or Type II MSD (these types discharge treated sewage) is operating in an area of water that has been declared a No Discharge Zone, the MSD cannot be used and must be secured to prevent discharge.When operating in a No Discharge Zone, a Type I or Type II MSD must be secured in some way to prevent discharge. Closing the seacock and padlocking, using a non-releasable wire-tie, or removing the seacock handle would be sufficient. http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknow...ting/4_2_f.htm Chuck, If you have a Type I or Type II MSD, the MSD must be secured with a seacock and padlocking or wire-tie. From the definitions that I've read, it appears that I have a Type III MSD...and only the Type III MSD doesn't need to be padlocked or wired shut. Your Type I MSD *does* need to be secured according to the description that I posted above. |
Boarded by the Coast Guard yesterday
"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On 4 Dec 2005 09:17:36 -0800, wrote: I did get a warning for my horn. Every few years that electric horn gives out, and in the wet weather we have had the last few weeks it decided to crap out since the last use and just in time for the CG boarding. I think I'll look into an air horn. Everyone was very polite and professional but it does make you feel one step closer to a police state. That will make some happy I suppose. Personally, I don't feel that I'm closer to a police state, but I don't want to be boarded. I don't want to be boarded because I'm afraid that they'll find something missing from the mandatory list. Then I would have to deal with either a fine or a shut down of my boating day or embarrassment in front of my guests ... I do support the idea of training sessions, but it would be nice if they would ask permission to board and accept the answer given. Of course, if they had cause then they don't need to ask my permission except out of courtesy. |
Boarded by the Coast Guard yesterday
"Gene Kearns" wrote in message ... On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 00:40:34 GMT, "Bryan" wrote: ......I'm afraid that they'll find something missing from the mandatory list. ..... This is your Kryptonite! If you *know* beforehand what is expected of you and you can't deliver..... really, ...... in all seriousness, you shouldn't be boating.... I'm pretty obsessive about my list, but it's always a worry. After all, entropy is a hard law to fight. Bryan |
Boarded by the Coast Guard yesterday
On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 00:40:34 GMT, "Bryan"
wrote: Of course, if they had cause then they don't need to ask my permission except out of courtesy. ========================== That's the problem. The USCG has long standing governmental authorization to board any vessel at any time without probable cause - even in international waters. |
Boarded by the Coast Guard yesterday
On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 23:57:05 GMT, DownTime
wrote: I had thought that similar to a search of private property, such as a vehicle or a house, law enforcement can not simply search because they are in the neighborhood, or in this case, passing you in the channel. ======================== In theory, only the USCG has the right to board and inspect your vessel without probable cause. It's not easy to do, but if more people would "just say no", some of this nonsense might stop eventually. |
Boarded by the Coast Guard yesterday
NOYB wrote: wrote in message oups.com... (!) He looked really puzzled after he asked whether we had our sanitation Y valve wired shut and I told him "no". I let him stew for a few seconds before telling him we have an approved Type I MSD. Whenever a vessel equipped with a Type I or Type II MSD (these types discharge treated sewage) is operating in an area of water that has been declared a No Discharge Zone, the MSD cannot be used and must be secured to prevent discharge.When operating in a No Discharge Zone, a Type I or Type II MSD must be secured in some way to prevent discharge. Closing the seacock and padlocking, using a non-releasable wire-tie, or removing the seacock handle would be sufficient. http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknow...ting/4_2_f.htm Chuck, If you have a Type I or Type II MSD, the MSD must be secured with a seacock and padlocking or wire-tie. From the definitions that I've read, it appears that I have a Type III MSD...and only the Type III MSD doesn't need to be padlocked or wired shut. Your Type I MSD *does* need to be secured according to the description that I posted above. You've got it backward, NOYB. A type-III system is a holding tank. A holding tank does nothing to disinfect human waste. It's simply a storage tank for sewage. You can't pump your holding tank overboard in any inland waters or less than three miles offshore. The only time you can operate in inland waters or less than 3-miles offshore with a Type III without your Y valve wired shut is if you own one of the increasing numbers of boats that have no option for disposal of waste except a pumpout- and in that case you won't have a Y valve. A type-I system reduces the bacterial count to something that would compare to the output of a typical, shoreside, sewage treatment plant and (mine, at least) also "liquifies" any solids before discharge. Outside of a designated no-discharge zone, it is not illegal to dump properly treated sewage into the water. (That's exactly what happens to it if you pump out and it goes to a taxpayer funded shoreside facility- it gets treated and dumped back into the water). I do have a holding tank on board for use in a no-discharge zone. When boarded, I was not in a no-discharge zone and I did not have my Y valve wired shut. (I don't "wire it shut" when we switch to the holding tank, to be honest- it's down in the engine room and there is no chance that anybody would ever mess with it except myself. |
Boarded by the Coast Guard yesterday
Here in Michigan, the law was amended in 2002 and now states:.. The
operator of the vessel shall do the following upon the request of the peace officer:..... If the vessel does not bear a decal described in section 80166a or an equivalent decal issued by or on behalf of another state, submit to a reasonable inspection and test....." The decal referenced is the VSC decal, from the Auxiliary or the Power Squadron, and now used by all DNR and County marine patrols (yes, they all use the IDENTICAL decal!!). So, if you have a current decal and there is no cause, you will not be inspected on Michigan waters by different agencies. (Note: this is state law, and the CG is not subject to it, so they can inspect as they please). See http://www.legislature.mi.gov/mileg....166&highlight= AFAIK, Michigan is the only state that codified benefits to receiving a Vessel Safety Check and receiving a decal when all requirements are met. Bud - US Coast Guard Auxiliary 9CR |
Boarded by the Coast Guard yesterday
wrote in message ups.com... NOYB wrote: wrote in message oups.com... (!) He looked really puzzled after he asked whether we had our sanitation Y valve wired shut and I told him "no". I let him stew for a few seconds before telling him we have an approved Type I MSD. Whenever a vessel equipped with a Type I or Type II MSD (these types discharge treated sewage) is operating in an area of water that has been declared a No Discharge Zone, the MSD cannot be used and must be secured to prevent discharge.When operating in a No Discharge Zone, a Type I or Type II MSD must be secured in some way to prevent discharge. Closing the seacock and padlocking, using a non-releasable wire-tie, or removing the seacock handle would be sufficient. http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknow...ting/4_2_f.htm Chuck, If you have a Type I or Type II MSD, the MSD must be secured with a seacock and padlocking or wire-tie. From the definitions that I've read, it appears that I have a Type III MSD...and only the Type III MSD doesn't need to be padlocked or wired shut. Your Type I MSD *does* need to be secured according to the description that I posted above. You've got it backward, NOYB. "Whenever a vessel equipped with a Type I or Type II MSD (these types discharge treated sewage) is operating in an area of water that has been declared a No Discharge Zone, the MSD cannot be used and must be secured to prevent discharge." http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknow...ting/4_2_f.htm |
Boarded by the Coast Guard yesterday
NOYB wrote: wrote in message ups.com... NOYB wrote: wrote in message oups.com... (!) He looked really puzzled after he asked whether we had our sanitation Y valve wired shut and I told him "no". I let him stew for a few seconds before telling him we have an approved Type I MSD. Whenever a vessel equipped with a Type I or Type II MSD (these types discharge treated sewage) is operating in an area of water that has been declared a No Discharge Zone, the MSD cannot be used and must be secured to prevent discharge.When operating in a No Discharge Zone, a Type I or Type II MSD must be secured in some way to prevent discharge. Closing the seacock and padlocking, using a non-releasable wire-tie, or removing the seacock handle would be sufficient. http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknow...ting/4_2_f.htm Chuck, If you have a Type I or Type II MSD, the MSD must be secured with a seacock and padlocking or wire-tie. From the definitions that I've read, it appears that I have a Type III MSD...and only the Type III MSD doesn't need to be padlocked or wired shut. Your Type I MSD *does* need to be secured according to the description that I posted above. You've got it backward, NOYB. "Whenever a vessel equipped with a Type I or Type II MSD (these types discharge treated sewage) is operating in an area of water that has been declared a No Discharge Zone, the MSD cannot be used and must be secured to prevent discharge." http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknow...ting/4_2_f.htm Here's the portion that you keep overlooking: "Whenever a vessel equipped with a Type I or Type II MSD (these types discharge treated sewage) is operating in an area of water that has been declared a No Discharge Zone,............................ Most of Puget Sound is *not* a no discharge zone. It is, of course, illegal to discharge *untreated* sewage anywhere in inland waters or less than three miles off shore. The difference is that in a "no discharge zone" you can't dump treated sewage, either. |
Boarded by the Coast Guard yesterday
wrote in message oups.com... NOYB wrote: wrote in message ups.com... NOYB wrote: wrote in message oups.com... (!) He looked really puzzled after he asked whether we had our sanitation Y valve wired shut and I told him "no". I let him stew for a few seconds before telling him we have an approved Type I MSD. Whenever a vessel equipped with a Type I or Type II MSD (these types discharge treated sewage) is operating in an area of water that has been declared a No Discharge Zone, the MSD cannot be used and must be secured to prevent discharge.When operating in a No Discharge Zone, a Type I or Type II MSD must be secured in some way to prevent discharge. Closing the seacock and padlocking, using a non-releasable wire-tie, or removing the seacock handle would be sufficient. http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknow...ting/4_2_f.htm Chuck, If you have a Type I or Type II MSD, the MSD must be secured with a seacock and padlocking or wire-tie. From the definitions that I've read, it appears that I have a Type III MSD...and only the Type III MSD doesn't need to be padlocked or wired shut. Your Type I MSD *does* need to be secured according to the description that I posted above. You've got it backward, NOYB. "Whenever a vessel equipped with a Type I or Type II MSD (these types discharge treated sewage) is operating in an area of water that has been declared a No Discharge Zone, the MSD cannot be used and must be secured to prevent discharge." http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknow...ting/4_2_f.htm Here's the portion that you keep overlooking: "Whenever a vessel equipped with a Type I or Type II MSD (these types discharge treated sewage) is operating in an area of water that has been declared a No Discharge Zone,............................ Most of Puget Sound is *not* a no discharge zone. It is, of course, illegal to discharge *untreated* sewage anywhere in inland waters or less than three miles off shore. The difference is that in a "no discharge zone" you can't dump treated sewage, either. Thanks. Here's mo [[Page 503]] (b) When operating a vessel on a body of water where the discharge of treated or untreated sewage is prohibited by the Environmental Protection Agency under 40 CFR 140.3 or 140.4, the operator must secure each Type I or Type II device in a manner which prevents discharge of treated or untreated sewage. Acceptable methods of securing the device include-- (1) Closing the seacock and removing the handle; (2) Padlocking the seacock in the closed position; (3) Using a non-releasable wire-tie to hold the seacock in the closed position; or (4) Locking the door to the space enclosing the toilets with a padlock or door handle key lock. (c) When operating a vessel on a body of water where the discharge of untreated sewage is prohibited by the Environmental Protection Agency under 40 CFR 140.3, the operator must secure each Type III device in a manner which prevents discharge of sewage. Acceptable methods of securing the device include-- (1) Closing each valve leading to an overboard discharge and removing the handle; (2) Padlocking each valve leading to an overboard discharge in the closed position; or (3) Using a non-releasable wire-tie to hold each valve leading to an overboard discharge in the closed position. [CGH 95-028, 62 FR 51194, Sept. 30, 1997]So what constitutes a "non-releasable wire-tie"? And how do I fasten it to my thru-hull seacock?Would monel wire wrapped several times around it suffice? |
Boarded by the Coast Guard yesterday
"NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... wrote in message oups.com... NOYB wrote: wrote in message ups.com... NOYB wrote: wrote in message oups.com... (!) He looked really puzzled after he asked whether we had our sanitation Y valve wired shut and I told him "no". I let him stew for a few seconds before telling him we have an approved Type I MSD. Whenever a vessel equipped with a Type I or Type II MSD (these types discharge treated sewage) is operating in an area of water that has been declared a No Discharge Zone, the MSD cannot be used and must be secured to prevent discharge.When operating in a No Discharge Zone, a Type I or Type II MSD must be secured in some way to prevent discharge. Closing the seacock and padlocking, using a non-releasable wire-tie, or removing the seacock handle would be sufficient. http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknow...ting/4_2_f.htm Chuck, If you have a Type I or Type II MSD, the MSD must be secured with a seacock and padlocking or wire-tie. From the definitions that I've read, it appears that I have a Type III MSD...and only the Type III MSD doesn't need to be padlocked or wired shut. Your Type I MSD *does* need to be secured according to the description that I posted above. You've got it backward, NOYB. "Whenever a vessel equipped with a Type I or Type II MSD (these types discharge treated sewage) is operating in an area of water that has been declared a No Discharge Zone, the MSD cannot be used and must be secured to prevent discharge." http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknow...ting/4_2_f.htm Here's the portion that you keep overlooking: "Whenever a vessel equipped with a Type I or Type II MSD (these types discharge treated sewage) is operating in an area of water that has been declared a No Discharge Zone,............................ Most of Puget Sound is *not* a no discharge zone. It is, of course, illegal to discharge *untreated* sewage anywhere in inland waters or less than three miles off shore. The difference is that in a "no discharge zone" you can't dump treated sewage, either. Thanks. Are you going to believe me now? |
Boarded by the Coast Guard yesterday
" *JimH*" wrote in message . .. "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... wrote in message oups.com... NOYB wrote: wrote in message ups.com... NOYB wrote: wrote in message oups.com... (!) He looked really puzzled after he asked whether we had our sanitation Y valve wired shut and I told him "no". I let him stew for a few seconds before telling him we have an approved Type I MSD. Whenever a vessel equipped with a Type I or Type II MSD (these types discharge treated sewage) is operating in an area of water that has been declared a No Discharge Zone, the MSD cannot be used and must be secured to prevent discharge.When operating in a No Discharge Zone, a Type I or Type II MSD must be secured in some way to prevent discharge. Closing the seacock and padlocking, using a non-releasable wire-tie, or removing the seacock handle would be sufficient. http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknow...ting/4_2_f.htm Chuck, If you have a Type I or Type II MSD, the MSD must be secured with a seacock and padlocking or wire-tie. From the definitions that I've read, it appears that I have a Type III MSD...and only the Type III MSD doesn't need to be padlocked or wired shut. Your Type I MSD *does* need to be secured according to the description that I posted above. You've got it backward, NOYB. "Whenever a vessel equipped with a Type I or Type II MSD (these types discharge treated sewage) is operating in an area of water that has been declared a No Discharge Zone, the MSD cannot be used and must be secured to prevent discharge." http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknow...ting/4_2_f.htm Here's the portion that you keep overlooking: "Whenever a vessel equipped with a Type I or Type II MSD (these types discharge treated sewage) is operating in an area of water that has been declared a No Discharge Zone,............................ Most of Puget Sound is *not* a no discharge zone. It is, of course, illegal to discharge *untreated* sewage anywhere in inland waters or less than three miles off shore. The difference is that in a "no discharge zone" you can't dump treated sewage, either. Thanks. Are you going to believe me now? I believed you before. I just was confused as to why Gould felt that he didn't need to secure his Type I MSD...and the answer was that he was not in a "No Discharge Zone". So tell me... How do I use wire to secure my thru-hull seacock? |
Boarded by the Coast Guard yesterday
"NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... " *JimH*" wrote in message . .. "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... wrote in message oups.com... NOYB wrote: wrote in message ups.com... NOYB wrote: wrote in message oups.com... (!) He looked really puzzled after he asked whether we had our sanitation Y valve wired shut and I told him "no". I let him stew for a few seconds before telling him we have an approved Type I MSD. Whenever a vessel equipped with a Type I or Type II MSD (these types discharge treated sewage) is operating in an area of water that has been declared a No Discharge Zone, the MSD cannot be used and must be secured to prevent discharge.When operating in a No Discharge Zone, a Type I or Type II MSD must be secured in some way to prevent discharge. Closing the seacock and padlocking, using a non-releasable wire-tie, or removing the seacock handle would be sufficient. http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknow...ting/4_2_f.htm Chuck, If you have a Type I or Type II MSD, the MSD must be secured with a seacock and padlocking or wire-tie. From the definitions that I've read, it appears that I have a Type III MSD...and only the Type III MSD doesn't need to be padlocked or wired shut. Your Type I MSD *does* need to be secured according to the description that I posted above. You've got it backward, NOYB. "Whenever a vessel equipped with a Type I or Type II MSD (these types discharge treated sewage) is operating in an area of water that has been declared a No Discharge Zone, the MSD cannot be used and must be secured to prevent discharge." http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknow...ting/4_2_f.htm Here's the portion that you keep overlooking: "Whenever a vessel equipped with a Type I or Type II MSD (these types discharge treated sewage) is operating in an area of water that has been declared a No Discharge Zone,............................ Most of Puget Sound is *not* a no discharge zone. It is, of course, illegal to discharge *untreated* sewage anywhere in inland waters or less than three miles off shore. The difference is that in a "no discharge zone" you can't dump treated sewage, either. Thanks. Are you going to believe me now? I believed you before. I just was confused as to why Gould felt that he didn't need to secure his Type I MSD...and the answer was that he was not in a "No Discharge Zone". So tell me... How do I use wire to secure my thru-hull seacock? Remove the handle or wire the handle closed with a plastic wire tie. |
Boarded by the Coast Guard yesterday
" *JimH*" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... " *JimH*" wrote in message . .. "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... wrote in message oups.com... NOYB wrote: wrote in message ups.com... NOYB wrote: wrote in message oups.com... (!) He looked really puzzled after he asked whether we had our sanitation Y valve wired shut and I told him "no". I let him stew for a few seconds before telling him we have an approved Type I MSD. Whenever a vessel equipped with a Type I or Type II MSD (these types discharge treated sewage) is operating in an area of water that has been declared a No Discharge Zone, the MSD cannot be used and must be secured to prevent discharge.When operating in a No Discharge Zone, a Type I or Type II MSD must be secured in some way to prevent discharge. Closing the seacock and padlocking, using a non-releasable wire-tie, or removing the seacock handle would be sufficient. http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknow...ting/4_2_f.htm Chuck, If you have a Type I or Type II MSD, the MSD must be secured with a seacock and padlocking or wire-tie. From the definitions that I've read, it appears that I have a Type III MSD...and only the Type III MSD doesn't need to be padlocked or wired shut. Your Type I MSD *does* need to be secured according to the description that I posted above. You've got it backward, NOYB. "Whenever a vessel equipped with a Type I or Type II MSD (these types discharge treated sewage) is operating in an area of water that has been declared a No Discharge Zone, the MSD cannot be used and must be secured to prevent discharge." http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknow...ting/4_2_f.htm Here's the portion that you keep overlooking: "Whenever a vessel equipped with a Type I or Type II MSD (these types discharge treated sewage) is operating in an area of water that has been declared a No Discharge Zone,............................ Most of Puget Sound is *not* a no discharge zone. It is, of course, illegal to discharge *untreated* sewage anywhere in inland waters or less than three miles off shore. The difference is that in a "no discharge zone" you can't dump treated sewage, either. Thanks. Are you going to believe me now? I believed you before. I just was confused as to why Gould felt that he didn't need to secure his Type I MSD...and the answer was that he was not in a "No Discharge Zone". So tell me... How do I use wire to secure my thru-hull seacock? Remove the handle or wire the handle closed with a plastic wire tie. Plastic suffices? |
Boarded by the Coast Guard yesterday
"NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... " *JimH*" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... " *JimH*" wrote in message . .. "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... wrote in message oups.com... NOYB wrote: wrote in message ups.com... NOYB wrote: wrote in message oups.com... (!) He looked really puzzled after he asked whether we had our sanitation Y valve wired shut and I told him "no". I let him stew for a few seconds before telling him we have an approved Type I MSD. Whenever a vessel equipped with a Type I or Type II MSD (these types discharge treated sewage) is operating in an area of water that has been declared a No Discharge Zone, the MSD cannot be used and must be secured to prevent discharge.When operating in a No Discharge Zone, a Type I or Type II MSD must be secured in some way to prevent discharge. Closing the seacock and padlocking, using a non-releasable wire-tie, or removing the seacock handle would be sufficient. http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknow...ting/4_2_f.htm Chuck, If you have a Type I or Type II MSD, the MSD must be secured with a seacock and padlocking or wire-tie. From the definitions that I've read, it appears that I have a Type III MSD...and only the Type III MSD doesn't need to be padlocked or wired shut. Your Type I MSD *does* need to be secured according to the description that I posted above. You've got it backward, NOYB. "Whenever a vessel equipped with a Type I or Type II MSD (these types discharge treated sewage) is operating in an area of water that has been declared a No Discharge Zone, the MSD cannot be used and must be secured to prevent discharge." http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknow...ting/4_2_f.htm Here's the portion that you keep overlooking: "Whenever a vessel equipped with a Type I or Type II MSD (these types discharge treated sewage) is operating in an area of water that has been declared a No Discharge Zone,............................ Most of Puget Sound is *not* a no discharge zone. It is, of course, illegal to discharge *untreated* sewage anywhere in inland waters or less than three miles off shore. The difference is that in a "no discharge zone" you can't dump treated sewage, either. Thanks. Are you going to believe me now? I believed you before. I just was confused as to why Gould felt that he didn't need to secure his Type I MSD...and the answer was that he was not in a "No Discharge Zone". So tell me... How do I use wire to secure my thru-hull seacock? Remove the handle or wire the handle closed with a plastic wire tie. Plastic suffices? I always assumed so. As long as it is not a reusable type. |
Boarded by the Coast Guard yesterday
On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 18:28:24 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:
So tell me... How do I use wire to secure my thru-hull seacock? ================================ Non-releasable wire ties are nylon. You can drill a hole a hole in the Y valve handle and put a wire tie through it. |
Boarded by the Coast Guard yesterday
"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 18:28:24 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: So tell me... How do I use wire to secure my thru-hull seacock? ================================ Non-releasable wire ties are nylon. You can drill a hole a hole in the Y valve handle and put a wire tie through it. OK. Will do. Thanks. |
Boarded by the Coast Guard yesterday
I don't understand the requirement for throwable devices. As far as I can
see on the official Coast Guard Web site, most boats over 16 feet are not required to have them. Are you suggesting they would write you a citation if you didn't have them? Sherwin D. wrote: Enroute from Seattle to Poulsbo, (to do a little "holiday" shopping), we got hauled down by the Coast Guard in Port Madison. It was really no big deal, but I thought a few things were odd: First, I was monitoring 16 but there was no attempt to hail the boat. The CG was originally proceeding in the opposite direction, but then did a quick turn to come up along side. Second, the kids were, *kids*!. Two male and two female officers, (the female officers stayed aboard the patrol boat), but they all looked like they had graduated high school just last June. I sort of had to help the one kid through the inspection. He didn't know the name of the body of water where he had stopped us. (!) He looked really puzzled after he asked whether we had our sanitation Y valve wired shut and I told him "no". I let him stew for a few seconds before telling him we have an approved Type I MSD. He was really relieved as he continued his report. "Oh, yeah! Approved Type I MSD! Super, thanks." They looked at: 1) Documentation and ID 2) PFD's 3) oil discharge placard 4) garbage placard 5) fire extinguishers 6) horn 7) throwable devices (we carry two life rings) They made a big deal about having Chart #1 on board. (I did). They didn't even ask to see my flares........and that's a good thing as my 12-gauge flares expired the end of November 2005. :-) While the one officer followed me around the boat to check off his list, the other officer sat at the dining table and called a *lot* of personal information from my driver's license into a central data bank. I did get a warning for my horn. Every few years that electric horn gives out, and in the wet weather we have had the last few weeks it decided to crap out since the last use and just in time for the CG boarding. I think I'll look into an air horn. The CG officer did mention that if I get boarded again and the horn isn't working the CG can order me to cease operations- so I'll pick up a canned horn (which is enough to meet the requirement) while deciding about the air horn. Worst part of the experience was the 15 minute delay. Overall, the CG was very professional and polite. |
Boarded by the Coast Guard yesterday
Apparently you are not too put-off by their Police-State tactics,
Homeland Insecurity notwithstanding. I suppose you would be similarly accommodating if they strode in your front door at home and sat around the dining room table going through your personal stuff, demanding to see your furnace and water heater, and checking the batteries in your smoke detectors. Oh, yeah, and the contents of your hard drives while their at it. Baaaaahhhhhh JR wrote: Enroute from Seattle to Poulsbo, (to do a little "holiday" shopping), we got hauled down by the Coast Guard in Port Madison. It was really no big deal, but I thought a few things were odd: First, I was monitoring 16 but there was no attempt to hail the boat. The CG was originally proceeding in the opposite direction, but then did a quick turn to come up along side. Second, the kids were, *kids*!. Two male and two female officers, (the female officers stayed aboard the patrol boat), but they all looked like they had graduated high school just last June. I sort of had to help the one kid through the inspection. He didn't know the name of the body of water where he had stopped us. (!) He looked really puzzled after he asked whether we had our sanitation Y valve wired shut and I told him "no". I let him stew for a few seconds before telling him we have an approved Type I MSD. He was really relieved as he continued his report. "Oh, yeah! Approved Type I MSD! Super, thanks." They looked at: 1) Documentation and ID 2) PFD's 3) oil discharge placard 4) garbage placard 5) fire extinguishers 6) horn 7) throwable devices (we carry two life rings) They made a big deal about having Chart #1 on board. (I did). They didn't even ask to see my flares........and that's a good thing as my 12-gauge flares expired the end of November 2005. :-) While the one officer followed me around the boat to check off his list, the other officer sat at the dining table and called a *lot* of personal information from my driver's license into a central data bank. I did get a warning for my horn. Every few years that electric horn gives out, and in the wet weather we have had the last few weeks it decided to crap out since the last use and just in time for the CG boarding. I think I'll look into an air horn. The CG officer did mention that if I get boarded again and the horn isn't working the CG can order me to cease operations- so I'll pick up a canned horn (which is enough to meet the requirement) while deciding about the air horn. Worst part of the experience was the 15 minute delay. Overall, the CG was very professional and polite. -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Home Page: http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth |
Boarded by the Coast Guard yesterday
JR North wrote: Apparently you are not too put-off by their Police-State tactics, Homeland Insecurity notwithstanding. I suppose you would be similarly accommodating if they strode in your front door at home and sat around the dining room table going through your personal stuff, demanding to see your furnace and water heater, and checking the batteries in your smoke detectors. Oh, yeah, and the contents of your hard drives while their at it. Baaaaahhhhhh JR Not put off at all. Navigation is a privilege, not a right. When one takes up "pleasure boating" it has to be done with the understanding that vessels in a public waterway are subject to scrutiny by regulatory agencies. The Coast Guard was once part of the revenue service, and inspecting cargos was an intinsic part of the duty. I expect to be free from "unreasonable" search and seizure. Inspecting my furnace, water heater, smoke detectors, and examining my hard drive (without a court order based on some evidence of a possible crime) would be unreasonable. Making sure that the guy who might be rafted next to me along the float at Langley has a working fire extinguisher, or that I have one myself, is pretty much OK with me. Besides, they asked permission to board. I don't know what would have happened if I said "no", but I'm pretty sure that life was a whole lot less complicated because I said "yes." It's not much different that crossing the border and going through customs. The customs people have the "right" to take your car apart down to the frame if they think they need to. Folks who can't stand the thought of being inspected at customs can avoid the experience by not traveling. Those who can't stand the thought of enduring a safety inspection by the Coast Guard can avoid it by staying away from boats. |
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