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Damn it, we got it in the house and it looks just like a Christmas tree.
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We purchased a Holdiay tree today......................
On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 21:00:15 -0500, " *JimH*" wrote:
Damn it, we got it in the house and it looks just like a Christmas tree. Well? Christmas, after all, is a Holy Day! -- John H "It's not a *baby* kicking, beautiful bride, it's just a fetus!" [A Self-obsessed Hypocrite] |
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Harry Krause wrote:
Ours will be decorated upon my wife's return from her out-a-towner. I assume she was at a medical doctor's convention? Best wishes of the season, William |
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Careful, you're skirting the edge of PC.
JR *JimH* wrote: Damn it, we got it in the house and it looks just like a Christmas tree. -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Home Page: http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth |
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On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 21:22:37 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: *JimH* wrote: Damn it, we got it in the house and it looks just like a Christmas tree. Ours will be decorated upon my wife's return from her out-a-towner. We have a nice artificial tree, because our cats are just too fond of the real deal. One of them, especially, likes to climb to the top of a real tree and then sway back and forth until he knocks it over. But he and the others have no interest in the artificial tree, other than stealing the tinsel and stashing it away. Harry, when are the liberals going to start waging their campaign to remove the crosses and the stars of David from Arlington Memorial Cemetery? Surely, being a union guy and all, you've got the inside track with what the ACLUnion is doing these days. -- John H "It's not a *baby* kicking, beautiful bride, it's just a fetus!" [A Self-obsessed Hypocrite] |
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Harry Krause wrote: .. We have a nice artificial tree, because our cats are just too fond of the real deal. One of them, especially, likes to climb to the top of a real tree and then sway back and forth until he knocks it over. Hang it from the ceiling. The tree, I mean. Sam |
We purchased a Holdiay tree today......................
" *JimH*" wrote in message ... Damn it, we got it in the house and it looks just like a Christmas tree. It must be defective. Are you going to return it? Enjoy your christmas tree! I mentioned before that my wife is jewish. Interestingly, she's the driving force in our house for shopping for the tree. If I let her have her way, the tree, a christmas tree, would be in, up, and decorated, before the first truckload of the season finished unloading. In fact, she doesn't even wait for me to put up the lights on the house; she lets me take things down, but she's not about to wait for me to get the decorations going. It's a christmas tree. They are christmas lights. They are christmas decorations. And to make this a boating thread, she wants to take our little boat, add some christmas lights, and join the parade. |
We purchased a Holdiay tree today......................
*JimH* wrote: Damn it, we got it in the house and it looks just like a Christmas tree. I always laugh my arse off at the very notion of a "Christmas tree." I've even seen "Christmas Trees" set up in churches. Wow. Talk about confused........ The decorated tree in your living room is a "pagan" symbol of the first order. The ancient Celts and the Germanic tribes had a solstice tradition where a small tree would be brought into the home and showered with offerings (tinsel, jewelry, "ornaments") to honor the Spirit of the Forest. The tree serves as a sort of altar. As one of my friends, (a devout Christian but not a member of a mainstream sect), points out, there is nothing in the Bible that commands anybody to celebrate Christmas or even Easter. In fact, two of the four New Testament gospels don't even mention The Natvity, and you would think that hosts of angels descending from heaven wouldn't be such a trivial detail that it was accidentally overlooked. Is there a religious passage somewhere that says, "Go thou, chop down a tree, bring it into your home, and make offereings unto it?" Nah, probably not. In fact, I sort of recall that Jehovah was might upset when some of his followers were venerating a golden calf. It ain't that far from a calf to a tree. Oh, and take a good close look at that holly and mistletoe while you're at it. :-) Can anybody who considers Christmas a Christian and religious holiday offer a good explanation for the inculsion of a venerated tree? I'd be fascinated to see it attempted. |
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John H. wrote: On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 21:22:37 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: *JimH* wrote: Damn it, we got it in the house and it looks just like a Christmas tree. Ours will be decorated upon my wife's return from her out-a-towner. We have a nice artificial tree, because our cats are just too fond of the real deal. One of them, especially, likes to climb to the top of a real tree and then sway back and forth until he knocks it over. But he and the others have no interest in the artificial tree, other than stealing the tinsel and stashing it away. Harry, when are the liberals going to start waging their campaign to remove the crosses and the stars of David from Arlington Memorial Cemetery? Surely, being a union guy and all, you've got the inside track with what the ACLUnion is doing these days. -- John H "It's not a *baby* kicking, beautiful bride, it's just a fetus!" [A Self-obsessed Hypocrite] Why don't you turn off the radio and think for yourself? The crosses, stars of David, and even the Moslem crescents in Arlington National cemetary belong on the tombs. They are there to help identify and commemorate the people who are buried there. Just like the name on the tombstone, the religious symbols (or lack of same), make a statement about the deceased. Now, when you want to put a Christian Cross over the entrance and require everybody to say Hail Mary or The Lord's Prayer when entering, (or install the trappings of any other religion as an overall theme for Arlington), you will indeed hear from liberals- as well as moderates, conservatives, and lovers of the First Amendment from any political camp. |
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Chuck,
The cross, the star of David or the crescent do instill an overall theme and support of religion in all military cemeteries. wrote in message oups.com... John H. wrote: On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 21:22:37 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: *JimH* wrote: Damn it, we got it in the house and it looks just like a Christmas tree. Ours will be decorated upon my wife's return from her out-a-towner. We have a nice artificial tree, because our cats are just too fond of the real deal. One of them, especially, likes to climb to the top of a real tree and then sway back and forth until he knocks it over. But he and the others have no interest in the artificial tree, other than stealing the tinsel and stashing it away. Harry, when are the liberals going to start waging their campaign to remove the crosses and the stars of David from Arlington Memorial Cemetery? Surely, being a union guy and all, you've got the inside track with what the ACLUnion is doing these days. -- John H "It's not a *baby* kicking, beautiful bride, it's just a fetus!" [A Self-obsessed Hypocrite] Why don't you turn off the radio and think for yourself? The crosses, stars of David, and even the Moslem crescents in Arlington National cemetary belong on the tombs. They are there to help identify and commemorate the people who are buried there. Just like the name on the tombstone, the religious symbols (or lack of same), make a statement about the deceased. Now, when you want to put a Christian Cross over the entrance and require everybody to say Hail Mary or The Lord's Prayer when entering, (or install the trappings of any other religion as an overall theme for Arlington), you will indeed hear from liberals- as well as moderates, conservatives, and lovers of the First Amendment from any political camp. |
We purchased a Holdiay tree today......................
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On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 13:32:47 -0500, John H.
wrote: It's a shame you miss out on one of the great pleasures of life - watching the grandchildren opening their presents by the Christmas tree. Whoops. Meant to end with: -- John Wishing you the best as we celebrate the birth of our Lord, Jesus Christ. |
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wrote in message oups.com... *JimH* wrote: Damn it, we got it in the house and it looks just like a Christmas tree. I always laugh my arse off at the very notion of a "Christmas tree." I've even seen "Christmas Trees" set up in churches. Wow. Talk about confused........ The decorated tree in your living room is a "pagan" symbol of the first order. The ancient Celts and the Germanic tribes had a solstice Yea, verily though I walk through the shadows of christmas trees, the tree is but a symbol of the time of year, of the holy day, of a gathering of family and friends to share the idea of good will toward others. I don't recall the 3 wisemen dragging a christmas tree to the manger. We have a christmas tree because it is a tradition, it looks nice, it smells nice, and it's a gathering place for gifts, family, friends, and fire hazards. It ain't no big thang! And given my celtic and germanic ancestry, why the hell shouldn't I celebrate the damn tree. ; ) |
We purchased a Holdiay tree today......................
wrote in message oups.com... *JimH* wrote: Damn it, we got it in the house and it looks just like a Christmas tree. I always laugh my arse off at the very notion of a "Christmas tree." I've even seen "Christmas Trees" set up in churches. Wow. Talk about confused........ The decorated tree in your living room is a "pagan" symbol of the first order. Only in your mind I guess. Are you taking Christmas Day off from work Chuck? |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... *JimH* wrote: wrote in message oups.com... *JimH* wrote: Damn it, we got it in the house and it looks just like a Christmas tree. I always laugh my arse off at the very notion of a "Christmas tree." I've even seen "Christmas Trees" set up in churches. Wow. Talk about confused........ The decorated tree in your living room is a "pagan" symbol of the first order. Only in your mind I guess. Are you taking Christmas Day off from work Chuck? I think we should have the day off to celebrate the birthday of all Jews whose thoughts were significant to humanity. We could start with these Nobel laureates in physics: * Alexei Alexeevich Abrikosov, Russia, for pioneering contributions to the theory of superconductors and superfluids (Jewish mother) * Zhores Alferov, Russia, (Jewish mother) * Hans Bethe, US, (Jewish mother) * Felix Bloch, Swiss and US, for his development of new methods for nuclear magnetic precision measurements and discoveries in connection therewith * Niels Bohr, Denmark, for his quantum model of the atom (Jewish mother) * Max Born, Germany, UK and US, for his fundamental research in quantum mechanics, especially for his statistical interpretation of the wavefunction * Georges Charpak, France, * Claude Cohen-Tannoudji, France, * Leon Neil Cooper, US, * Albert Einstein, German, later US, for the discovery of the photoelectric effect * Richard P. Feynman, US, for their fundamental work in quantum electrodynamics, with deep-ploughing consequences for the physics of elementary particles * James Franck, Germany, for their discovery of the laws governing the impact of an electron upon an atom * Ilya Frank, Russia, (Jewish father) * Jerome Isaac Friedman, US, for their pioneering investigations concerning deep inelastic scattering of electrons on protons and bound neutrons, which have been of essential importance for the development of the quark model in particle physics * Dennis Gabor, Hungary, for his invention and development of the holographic method * Murray Gell-Mann, US, for his contributions and discoveries concerning the classification of elementary particles and their interactions" * Vitaly Lazarevich Ginzburg, Russia, for pioneering contributions to the theory of superconductors and superfluids * Donald Arthur Glaser, US, for the invention of the bubble chamber * Sheldon Lee Glashow, US, for their contributions to the theory of the unified weak and electromagnetic interaction between elementary particles, including, inter alia, the prediction of the weak neutral current * Roy Glauber, U.S. physicist, Nobel Prize (2005) * David Gross, US, * Robert Hofstadter, US, for his pioneering studies of electron scattering in atomic nuclei and for his thereby achieved discoveries concerning the structure of the nucleons * Brian David Josephson, UK, for his theoretical predictions of the properties of a supercurrent through a tunnel barrier, in particular those phenomena which are generally known as the Josephson effect * Lev Davidovich Landau, Russia, for his pioneering theories for condensed matter, especially liquid helium * Leon Max Lederman, US, for the neutrino beam method and the demonstration of the doublet structure of the leptons through the discovery of the muon neutrino * David Lee, US, * Gabriel Lippmann, France, for his method of reproducing colours photographically based on the phenomenon of interference * Albert Abraham Michelson, US, for his optical precision instruments and the spectroscopic and metrological investigations carried out with their aid * Ben Roy Mottelson, US and Denmark,for the discovery of the connection between collective motion and particle motion in atomic nuclei and the development of the theory of the structure of the atomic nucleus based on this connection * Douglas Osheroff, US, (Jewish father]] * Wolfgang Pauli, (Jewish paternal grandparent) * Arno Allan Penzias, US, for their discovery of cosmic microwave background radiation * Martin Lewis Perl, for the discovery of the tau lepton * David Politzer, US, * Isidor Isaac Rabi, US, for his resonance method for recording the magnetic properties of atomic nuclei * Frederick Reines, US, * Burton Richter, US, for their pioneering work in the discovery of a heavy elementary particle of a new kind * Arthur Schawlow, US, (Jewish father) * Melvin Schwartz, US, for the neutrino beam method and the demonstration of the doublet structure of the leptons through the discovery of the muon neutrino * Julian Schwinger, US, for his work on quantum electrodynamics * Emilio Segre, Italy and US, for discovery of antiproton * Jack Steinberger, US, for the neutrino beam method and the demonstration of the doublet structure of the leptons through the discovery of the muon neutrino * Otto Stern, US, for his contribution to the development of the molecular ray method and his discovery of the magnetic moment of the proton * Steven Weinberg, US, for their contributions to the theory of the unified weak and electromagnetic interaction between elementary particles, including, inter alia, the prediction of the weak neutral current * Eugene Wigner, US, Nuclear Engineering (I do frown upon anyone's "religious day" being a national holiday, and would far prefer a "seasonal holiday" be available to anyone who wants a day off during the week in December." Go for it! |
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On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 16:59:05 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: I think we should have the day off to celebrate the birthday of all Jews whose thoughts were significant to humanity. We could start with these Nobel laureates in physics: * Alexei Alexeevich Abrikosov, Russia, for pioneering contributions to the theory of superconductors and superfluids (Jewish mother) * Zhores Alferov, Russia, (Jewish mother) * Hans Bethe, US, (Jewish mother) * Felix Bloch, Swiss and US, for his development of new methods for nuclear magnetic precision measurements and discoveries in connection therewith * Niels Bohr, Denmark, for his quantum model of the atom (Jewish mother) * Max Born, Germany, UK and US, for his fundamental research in quantum mechanics, especially for his statistical interpretation of the wavefunction * Georges Charpak, France, * Claude Cohen-Tannoudji, France, * Leon Neil Cooper, US, * Albert Einstein, German, later US, for the discovery of the photoelectric effect * Richard P. Feynman, US, for their fundamental work in quantum electrodynamics, with deep-ploughing consequences for the physics of elementary particles * James Franck, Germany, for their discovery of the laws governing the impact of an electron upon an atom * Ilya Frank, Russia, (Jewish father) * Jerome Isaac Friedman, US, for their pioneering investigations concerning deep inelastic scattering of electrons on protons and bound neutrons, which have been of essential importance for the development of the quark model in particle physics * Dennis Gabor, Hungary, for his invention and development of the holographic method * Murray Gell-Mann, US, for his contributions and discoveries concerning the classification of elementary particles and their interactions" * Vitaly Lazarevich Ginzburg, Russia, for pioneering contributions to the theory of superconductors and superfluids * Donald Arthur Glaser, US, for the invention of the bubble chamber * Sheldon Lee Glashow, US, for their contributions to the theory of the unified weak and electromagnetic interaction between elementary particles, including, inter alia, the prediction of the weak neutral current * Roy Glauber, U.S. physicist, Nobel Prize (2005) * David Gross, US, * Robert Hofstadter, US, for his pioneering studies of electron scattering in atomic nuclei and for his thereby achieved discoveries concerning the structure of the nucleons * Brian David Josephson, UK, for his theoretical predictions of the properties of a supercurrent through a tunnel barrier, in particular those phenomena which are generally known as the Josephson effect * Lev Davidovich Landau, Russia, for his pioneering theories for condensed matter, especially liquid helium * Leon Max Lederman, US, for the neutrino beam method and the demonstration of the doublet structure of the leptons through the discovery of the muon neutrino * David Lee, US, * Gabriel Lippmann, France, for his method of reproducing colours photographically based on the phenomenon of interference * Albert Abraham Michelson, US, for his optical precision instruments and the spectroscopic and metrological investigations carried out with their aid * Ben Roy Mottelson, US and Denmark,for the discovery of the connection between collective motion and particle motion in atomic nuclei and the development of the theory of the structure of the atomic nucleus based on this connection * Douglas Osheroff, US, (Jewish father]] * Wolfgang Pauli, (Jewish paternal grandparent) * Arno Allan Penzias, US, for their discovery of cosmic microwave background radiation * Martin Lewis Perl, for the discovery of the tau lepton * David Politzer, US, * Isidor Isaac Rabi, US, for his resonance method for recording the magnetic properties of atomic nuclei * Frederick Reines, US, * Burton Richter, US, for their pioneering work in the discovery of a heavy elementary particle of a new kind * Arthur Schawlow, US, (Jewish father) * Melvin Schwartz, US, for the neutrino beam method and the demonstration of the doublet structure of the leptons through the discovery of the muon neutrino * Julian Schwinger, US, for his work on quantum electrodynamics * Emilio Segre, Italy and US, for discovery of antiproton * Jack Steinberger, US, for the neutrino beam method and the demonstration of the doublet structure of the leptons through the discovery of the muon neutrino * Otto Stern, US, for his contribution to the development of the molecular ray method and his discovery of the magnetic moment of the proton * Steven Weinberg, US, for their contributions to the theory of the unified weak and electromagnetic interaction between elementary particles, including, inter alia, the prediction of the weak neutral current * Eugene Wigner, US, Nuclear Engineering (I do frown upon anyone's "religious day" being a national holiday, and would far prefer a "seasonal holiday" be available to anyone who wants a day off during the week in December." Harry, celebrating the birth of these Jews should be done on the day of their births. I have no problem with that. Christmas celebrates the day of one particular Jew's birth, Jesus. You may find that galling, but it's a fact. -- John Wishing you the best as we celebrate the birth of our Lord, Jesus Christ. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... John H. wrote: On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 16:59:05 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: I think we should have the day off to celebrate the birthday of all Jews whose thoughts were significant to humanity. We could start with these Nobel laureates in physics: * Alexei Alexeevich Abrikosov, Russia, for pioneering contributions to the theory of superconductors and superfluids (Jewish mother) * Zhores Alferov, Russia, (Jewish mother) * Hans Bethe, US, (Jewish mother) * Felix Bloch, Swiss and US, for his development of new methods for nuclear magnetic precision measurements and discoveries in connection therewith * Niels Bohr, Denmark, for his quantum model of the atom (Jewish mother) * Max Born, Germany, UK and US, for his fundamental research in quantum mechanics, especially for his statistical interpretation of the wavefunction * Georges Charpak, France, * Claude Cohen-Tannoudji, France, * Leon Neil Cooper, US, * Albert Einstein, German, later US, for the discovery of the photoelectric effect * Richard P. Feynman, US, for their fundamental work in quantum electrodynamics, with deep-ploughing consequences for the physics of elementary particles * James Franck, Germany, for their discovery of the laws governing the impact of an electron upon an atom * Ilya Frank, Russia, (Jewish father) * Jerome Isaac Friedman, US, for their pioneering investigations concerning deep inelastic scattering of electrons on protons and bound neutrons, which have been of essential importance for the development of the quark model in particle physics * Dennis Gabor, Hungary, for his invention and development of the holographic method * Murray Gell-Mann, US, for his contributions and discoveries concerning the classification of elementary particles and their interactions" * Vitaly Lazarevich Ginzburg, Russia, for pioneering contributions to the theory of superconductors and superfluids * Donald Arthur Glaser, US, for the invention of the bubble chamber * Sheldon Lee Glashow, US, for their contributions to the theory of the unified weak and electromagnetic interaction between elementary particles, including, inter alia, the prediction of the weak neutral current * Roy Glauber, U.S. physicist, Nobel Prize (2005) * David Gross, US, * Robert Hofstadter, US, for his pioneering studies of electron scattering in atomic nuclei and for his thereby achieved discoveries concerning the structure of the nucleons * Brian David Josephson, UK, for his theoretical predictions of the properties of a supercurrent through a tunnel barrier, in particular those phenomena which are generally known as the Josephson effect * Lev Davidovich Landau, Russia, for his pioneering theories for condensed matter, especially liquid helium * Leon Max Lederman, US, for the neutrino beam method and the demonstration of the doublet structure of the leptons through the discovery of the muon neutrino * David Lee, US, * Gabriel Lippmann, France, for his method of reproducing colours photographically based on the phenomenon of interference * Albert Abraham Michelson, US, for his optical precision instruments and the spectroscopic and metrological investigations carried out with their aid * Ben Roy Mottelson, US and Denmark,for the discovery of the connection between collective motion and particle motion in atomic nuclei and the development of the theory of the structure of the atomic nucleus based on this connection * Douglas Osheroff, US, (Jewish father]] * Wolfgang Pauli, (Jewish paternal grandparent) * Arno Allan Penzias, US, for their discovery of cosmic microwave background radiation * Martin Lewis Perl, for the discovery of the tau lepton * David Politzer, US, * Isidor Isaac Rabi, US, for his resonance method for recording the magnetic properties of atomic nuclei * Frederick Reines, US, * Burton Richter, US, for their pioneering work in the discovery of a heavy elementary particle of a new kind * Arthur Schawlow, US, (Jewish father) * Melvin Schwartz, US, for the neutrino beam method and the demonstration of the doublet structure of the leptons through the discovery of the muon neutrino * Julian Schwinger, US, for his work on quantum electrodynamics * Emilio Segre, Italy and US, for discovery of antiproton * Jack Steinberger, US, for the neutrino beam method and the demonstration of the doublet structure of the leptons through the discovery of the muon neutrino * Otto Stern, US, for his contribution to the development of the molecular ray method and his discovery of the magnetic moment of the proton * Steven Weinberg, US, for their contributions to the theory of the unified weak and electromagnetic interaction between elementary particles, including, inter alia, the prediction of the weak neutral current * Eugene Wigner, US, Nuclear Engineering (I do frown upon anyone's "religious day" being a national holiday, and would far prefer a "seasonal holiday" be available to anyone who wants a day off during the week in December." Harry, celebrating the birth of these Jews should be done on the day of their births. I have no problem with that. Christmas celebrates the day of one particular Jew's birth, Jesus. You may find that galling, but it's a fact. -- John Wishing you the best as we celebrate the birth of our Lord, Jesus Christ. It's just an "assigned" day, John. I don't find it "galling" for any private persons to celebrate anyone's birthday, but I don't believe the state should in any way honor or acknowledge anyone's religious "holiday." So what are you doing on Christmas Eve and Christmas Day Harry? |
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Harry Krause wrote:
I think we should have the day off to celebrate the birthday of all Jews whose thoughts were significant to humanity. We could start with these Nobel laureates in physics: * Alexei Alexeevich Abrikosov, Russia, for pioneering contributions to the theory of superconductors and superfluids (Jewish mother) * Zhores Alferov, Russia, (Jewish mother) * Hans Bethe, US, (Jewish mother) * Felix Bloch, Swiss and US, for his development of new methods for nuclear magnetic precision measurements and discoveries in connection therewith * Niels Bohr, Denmark, for his quantum model of the atom (Jewish mother) * Max Born, Germany, UK and US, for his fundamental research in quantum mechanics, especially for his statistical interpretation of the wavefunction * Georges Charpak, France, * Claude Cohen-Tannoudji, France, * Leon Neil Cooper, US, * Albert Einstein, German, later US, for the discovery of the photoelectric effect * Richard P. Feynman, US, for their fundamental work in quantum electrodynamics, with deep-ploughing consequences for the physics of elementary particles * James Franck, Germany, for their discovery of the laws governing the impact of an electron upon an atom * Ilya Frank, Russia, (Jewish father) * Jerome Isaac Friedman, US, for their pioneering investigations concerning deep inelastic scattering of electrons on protons and bound neutrons, which have been of essential importance for the development of the quark model in particle physics * Dennis Gabor, Hungary, for his invention and development of the holographic method * Murray Gell-Mann, US, for his contributions and discoveries concerning the classification of elementary particles and their interactions" * Vitaly Lazarevich Ginzburg, Russia, for pioneering contributions to the theory of superconductors and superfluids * Donald Arthur Glaser, US, for the invention of the bubble chamber * Sheldon Lee Glashow, US, for their contributions to the theory of the unified weak and electromagnetic interaction between elementary particles, including, inter alia, the prediction of the weak neutral current * Roy Glauber, U.S. physicist, Nobel Prize (2005) * David Gross, US, * Robert Hofstadter, US, for his pioneering studies of electron scattering in atomic nuclei and for his thereby achieved discoveries concerning the structure of the nucleons * Brian David Josephson, UK, for his theoretical predictions of the properties of a supercurrent through a tunnel barrier, in particular those phenomena which are generally known as the Josephson effect * Lev Davidovich Landau, Russia, for his pioneering theories for condensed matter, especially liquid helium * Leon Max Lederman, US, for the neutrino beam method and the demonstration of the doublet structure of the leptons through the discovery of the muon neutrino * David Lee, US, * Gabriel Lippmann, France, for his method of reproducing colours photographically based on the phenomenon of interference * Albert Abraham Michelson, US, for his optical precision instruments and the spectroscopic and metrological investigations carried out with their aid * Ben Roy Mottelson, US and Denmark,for the discovery of the connection between collective motion and particle motion in atomic nuclei and the development of the theory of the structure of the atomic nucleus based on this connection * Douglas Osheroff, US, (Jewish father]] * Wolfgang Pauli, (Jewish paternal grandparent) * Arno Allan Penzias, US, for their discovery of cosmic microwave background radiation * Martin Lewis Perl, for the discovery of the tau lepton * David Politzer, US, * Isidor Isaac Rabi, US, for his resonance method for recording the magnetic properties of atomic nuclei * Frederick Reines, US, * Burton Richter, US, for their pioneering work in the discovery of a heavy elementary particle of a new kind * Arthur Schawlow, US, (Jewish father) * Melvin Schwartz, US, for the neutrino beam method and the demonstration of the doublet structure of the leptons through the discovery of the muon neutrino * Julian Schwinger, US, for his work on quantum electrodynamics * Emilio Segre, Italy and US, for discovery of antiproton * Jack Steinberger, US, for the neutrino beam method and the demonstration of the doublet structure of the leptons through the discovery of the muon neutrino * Otto Stern, US, for his contribution to the development of the molecular ray method and his discovery of the magnetic moment of the proton * Steven Weinberg, US, for their contributions to the theory of the unified weak and electromagnetic interaction between elementary particles, including, inter alia, the prediction of the weak neutral current * Eugene Wigner, US, Nuclear Engineering snip.. Why don't you frame that list and send it to Snippy for a christmas present. |
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On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 17:31:05 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: John H. wrote: Harry, celebrating the birth of these Jews should be done on the day of their births. I have no problem with that. Christmas celebrates the day of one particular Jew's birth, Jesus. You may find that galling, but it's a fact. -- John Wishing you the best as we celebrate the birth of our Lord, Jesus Christ. It's just an "assigned" day, John. I don't find it "galling" for any private persons to celebrate anyone's birthday, but I don't believe the state should in any way honor or acknowledge anyone's religious "holiday." Harry, all nations have their Holy Days. Our nation does too. If you don't want to join in the celebration of Christ's birth, don't do it. I just hope your attitude doesn't get worse as we get closer to the Holy Day. Although, I have to admit, I find your Kevinesque behavior quite humorous! -- John MERRY CHRISTMAS! Wishing you the best as we celebrate the birth of our Lord, Jesus Christ. |
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On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 17:48:39 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: *JimH* wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... John H. wrote: On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 16:59:05 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: I think we should have the day off to celebrate the birthday of all Jews whose thoughts were significant to humanity. We could start with these Nobel laureates in physics: * Alexei Alexeevich Abrikosov, Russia, for pioneering contributions to the theory of superconductors and superfluids (Jewish mother) * Zhores Alferov, Russia, (Jewish mother) * Hans Bethe, US, (Jewish mother) * Felix Bloch, Swiss and US, for his development of new methods for nuclear magnetic precision measurements and discoveries in connection therewith * Niels Bohr, Denmark, for his quantum model of the atom (Jewish mother) * Max Born, Germany, UK and US, for his fundamental research in quantum mechanics, especially for his statistical interpretation of the wavefunction * Georges Charpak, France, * Claude Cohen-Tannoudji, France, * Leon Neil Cooper, US, * Albert Einstein, German, later US, for the discovery of the photoelectric effect * Richard P. Feynman, US, for their fundamental work in quantum electrodynamics, with deep-ploughing consequences for the physics of elementary particles * James Franck, Germany, for their discovery of the laws governing the impact of an electron upon an atom * Ilya Frank, Russia, (Jewish father) * Jerome Isaac Friedman, US, for their pioneering investigations concerning deep inelastic scattering of electrons on protons and bound neutrons, which have been of essential importance for the development of the quark model in particle physics * Dennis Gabor, Hungary, for his invention and development of the holographic method * Murray Gell-Mann, US, for his contributions and discoveries concerning the classification of elementary particles and their interactions" * Vitaly Lazarevich Ginzburg, Russia, for pioneering contributions to the theory of superconductors and superfluids * Donald Arthur Glaser, US, for the invention of the bubble chamber * Sheldon Lee Glashow, US, for their contributions to the theory of the unified weak and electromagnetic interaction between elementary particles, including, inter alia, the prediction of the weak neutral current * Roy Glauber, U.S. physicist, Nobel Prize (2005) * David Gross, US, * Robert Hofstadter, US, for his pioneering studies of electron scattering in atomic nuclei and for his thereby achieved discoveries concerning the structure of the nucleons * Brian David Josephson, UK, for his theoretical predictions of the properties of a supercurrent through a tunnel barrier, in particular those phenomena which are generally known as the Josephson effect * Lev Davidovich Landau, Russia, for his pioneering theories for condensed matter, especially liquid helium * Leon Max Lederman, US, for the neutrino beam method and the demonstration of the doublet structure of the leptons through the discovery of the muon neutrino * David Lee, US, * Gabriel Lippmann, France, for his method of reproducing colours photographically based on the phenomenon of interference * Albert Abraham Michelson, US, for his optical precision instruments and the spectroscopic and metrological investigations carried out with their aid * Ben Roy Mottelson, US and Denmark,for the discovery of the connection between collective motion and particle motion in atomic nuclei and the development of the theory of the structure of the atomic nucleus based on this connection * Douglas Osheroff, US, (Jewish father]] * Wolfgang Pauli, (Jewish paternal grandparent) * Arno Allan Penzias, US, for their discovery of cosmic microwave background radiation * Martin Lewis Perl, for the discovery of the tau lepton * David Politzer, US, * Isidor Isaac Rabi, US, for his resonance method for recording the magnetic properties of atomic nuclei * Frederick Reines, US, * Burton Richter, US, for their pioneering work in the discovery of a heavy elementary particle of a new kind * Arthur Schawlow, US, (Jewish father) * Melvin Schwartz, US, for the neutrino beam method and the demonstration of the doublet structure of the leptons through the discovery of the muon neutrino * Julian Schwinger, US, for his work on quantum electrodynamics * Emilio Segre, Italy and US, for discovery of antiproton * Jack Steinberger, US, for the neutrino beam method and the demonstration of the doublet structure of the leptons through the discovery of the muon neutrino * Otto Stern, US, for his contribution to the development of the molecular ray method and his discovery of the magnetic moment of the proton * Steven Weinberg, US, for their contributions to the theory of the unified weak and electromagnetic interaction between elementary particles, including, inter alia, the prediction of the weak neutral current * Eugene Wigner, US, Nuclear Engineering (I do frown upon anyone's "religious day" being a national holiday, and would far prefer a "seasonal holiday" be available to anyone who wants a day off during the week in December." Harry, celebrating the birth of these Jews should be done on the day of their births. I have no problem with that. Christmas celebrates the day of one particular Jew's birth, Jesus. You may find that galling, but it's a fact. -- John Wishing you the best as we celebrate the birth of our Lord, Jesus Christ. It's just an "assigned" day, John. I don't find it "galling" for any private persons to celebrate anyone's birthday, but I don't believe the state should in any way honor or acknowledge anyone's religious "holiday." So what are you doing on Christmas Eve and Christmas Day Harry? I'm not "the state," Jim. I'm a private person. What *I* do or what you do on Christmas eve or Christmas day is a non-issue. Remember, my objection is to "the state" (government or its agencies) recognizing anyone's religious day with a "national day off." On Christmas eve, we'll be attending a Solemn Mass at a fairly large Catholic church in the Washington, D.C., area. Sure hope it changes your attitude, Harry. How many of the 45 million babies killed would have lived if they'd simply been born at the time they were killed? More than a thousand? Ten percent? One percent? -- John MERRY CHRISTMAS! Wishing you the best as we celebrate the birth of our Lord, Jesus Christ. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... *JimH* wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... John H. wrote: On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 16:59:05 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: I think we should have the day off to celebrate the birthday of all Jews whose thoughts were significant to humanity. We could start with these Nobel laureates in physics: * Alexei Alexeevich Abrikosov, Russia, for pioneering contributions to the theory of superconductors and superfluids (Jewish mother) * Zhores Alferov, Russia, (Jewish mother) * Hans Bethe, US, (Jewish mother) * Felix Bloch, Swiss and US, for his development of new methods for nuclear magnetic precision measurements and discoveries in connection therewith * Niels Bohr, Denmark, for his quantum model of the atom (Jewish mother) * Max Born, Germany, UK and US, for his fundamental research in quantum mechanics, especially for his statistical interpretation of the wavefunction * Georges Charpak, France, * Claude Cohen-Tannoudji, France, * Leon Neil Cooper, US, * Albert Einstein, German, later US, for the discovery of the photoelectric effect * Richard P. Feynman, US, for their fundamental work in quantum electrodynamics, with deep-ploughing consequences for the physics of elementary particles * James Franck, Germany, for their discovery of the laws governing the impact of an electron upon an atom * Ilya Frank, Russia, (Jewish father) * Jerome Isaac Friedman, US, for their pioneering investigations concerning deep inelastic scattering of electrons on protons and bound neutrons, which have been of essential importance for the development of the quark model in particle physics * Dennis Gabor, Hungary, for his invention and development of the holographic method * Murray Gell-Mann, US, for his contributions and discoveries concerning the classification of elementary particles and their interactions" * Vitaly Lazarevich Ginzburg, Russia, for pioneering contributions to the theory of superconductors and superfluids * Donald Arthur Glaser, US, for the invention of the bubble chamber * Sheldon Lee Glashow, US, for their contributions to the theory of the unified weak and electromagnetic interaction between elementary particles, including, inter alia, the prediction of the weak neutral current * Roy Glauber, U.S. physicist, Nobel Prize (2005) * David Gross, US, * Robert Hofstadter, US, for his pioneering studies of electron scattering in atomic nuclei and for his thereby achieved discoveries concerning the structure of the nucleons * Brian David Josephson, UK, for his theoretical predictions of the properties of a supercurrent through a tunnel barrier, in particular those phenomena which are generally known as the Josephson effect * Lev Davidovich Landau, Russia, for his pioneering theories for condensed matter, especially liquid helium * Leon Max Lederman, US, for the neutrino beam method and the demonstration of the doublet structure of the leptons through the discovery of the muon neutrino * David Lee, US, * Gabriel Lippmann, France, for his method of reproducing colours photographically based on the phenomenon of interference * Albert Abraham Michelson, US, for his optical precision instruments and the spectroscopic and metrological investigations carried out with their aid * Ben Roy Mottelson, US and Denmark,for the discovery of the connection between collective motion and particle motion in atomic nuclei and the development of the theory of the structure of the atomic nucleus based on this connection * Douglas Osheroff, US, (Jewish father]] * Wolfgang Pauli, (Jewish paternal grandparent) * Arno Allan Penzias, US, for their discovery of cosmic microwave background radiation * Martin Lewis Perl, for the discovery of the tau lepton * David Politzer, US, * Isidor Isaac Rabi, US, for his resonance method for recording the magnetic properties of atomic nuclei * Frederick Reines, US, * Burton Richter, US, for their pioneering work in the discovery of a heavy elementary particle of a new kind * Arthur Schawlow, US, (Jewish father) * Melvin Schwartz, US, for the neutrino beam method and the demonstration of the doublet structure of the leptons through the discovery of the muon neutrino * Julian Schwinger, US, for his work on quantum electrodynamics * Emilio Segre, Italy and US, for discovery of antiproton * Jack Steinberger, US, for the neutrino beam method and the demonstration of the doublet structure of the leptons through the discovery of the muon neutrino * Otto Stern, US, for his contribution to the development of the molecular ray method and his discovery of the magnetic moment of the proton * Steven Weinberg, US, for their contributions to the theory of the unified weak and electromagnetic interaction between elementary particles, including, inter alia, the prediction of the weak neutral current * Eugene Wigner, US, Nuclear Engineering (I do frown upon anyone's "religious day" being a national holiday, and would far prefer a "seasonal holiday" be available to anyone who wants a day off during the week in December." Harry, celebrating the birth of these Jews should be done on the day of their births. I have no problem with that. Christmas celebrates the day of one particular Jew's birth, Jesus. You may find that galling, but it's a fact. -- John Wishing you the best as we celebrate the birth of our Lord, Jesus Christ. It's just an "assigned" day, John. I don't find it "galling" for any private persons to celebrate anyone's birthday, but I don't believe the state should in any way honor or acknowledge anyone's religious "holiday." So what are you doing on Christmas Eve and Christmas Day Harry? I'm not "the state," Jim. I'm a private person. What *I* do or what you do on Christmas eve or Christmas day is a non-issue. Remember, my objection is to "the state" (government or its agencies) recognizing anyone's religious day with a "national day off." So are you taking the day off? On Christmas eve, we'll be attending a Solemn Mass at a fairly large Catholic church in the Washington, D.C., area. 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On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 17:58:26 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: John H. wrote: How many of the 45 million babies killed would have lived if they'd simply been born at the time they were killed? More than a thousand? Ten percent? One percent? -- John And think of the poor sperm that oozes out...and the eggs wasted each month. Hard question, huh? "It's just a fetus kicking, honey." Ring any bells? Here, I'll repeat one you seem to have missed. Harry, all nations have their Holy Days. Our nation does too. If you don't want to join in the celebration of Christ's birth, don't do it. I just hope your attitude doesn't get worse as we get closer to the Holy Day. Although, I have to admit, I find your Kevinesque behavior quite humorous! -- John MERRY CHRISTMAS! Wishing you the best as we celebrate the birth of our Lord, Jesus Christ. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... *JimH* wrote: wrote in message oups.com... *JimH* wrote: Damn it, we got it in the house and it looks just like a Christmas tree. I always laugh my arse off at the very notion of a "Christmas tree." I've even seen "Christmas Trees" set up in churches. Wow. Talk about confused........ The decorated tree in your living room is a "pagan" symbol of the first order. Only in your mind I guess. Are you taking Christmas Day off from work Chuck? I think we should have the day off to celebrate the birthday of all Jews whose thoughts were significant to humanity. We could start with these Nobel laureates in physics: * Alexei Alexeevich Abrikosov, Russia, for pioneering contributions to the theory of superconductors and superfluids (Jewish mother) * Zhores Alferov, Russia, (Jewish mother) * Hans Bethe, US, (Jewish mother) * Felix Bloch, Swiss and US, for his development of new methods for nuclear magnetic precision measurements and discoveries in connection therewith * Niels Bohr, Denmark, for his quantum model of the atom (Jewish mother) * Max Born, Germany, UK and US, for his fundamental research in quantum mechanics, especially for his statistical interpretation of the wavefunction * Georges Charpak, France, * Claude Cohen-Tannoudji, France, * Leon Neil Cooper, US, * Albert Einstein, German, later US, for the discovery of the photoelectric effect * Richard P. Feynman, US, for their fundamental work in quantum electrodynamics, with deep-ploughing consequences for the physics of elementary particles * James Franck, Germany, for their discovery of the laws governing the impact of an electron upon an atom * Ilya Frank, Russia, (Jewish father) * Jerome Isaac Friedman, US, for their pioneering investigations concerning deep inelastic scattering of electrons on protons and bound neutrons, which have been of essential importance for the development of the quark model in particle physics * Dennis Gabor, Hungary, for his invention and development of the holographic method * Murray Gell-Mann, US, for his contributions and discoveries concerning the classification of elementary particles and their interactions" * Vitaly Lazarevich Ginzburg, Russia, for pioneering contributions to the theory of superconductors and superfluids * Donald Arthur Glaser, US, for the invention of the bubble chamber * Sheldon Lee Glashow, US, for their contributions to the theory of the unified weak and electromagnetic interaction between elementary particles, including, inter alia, the prediction of the weak neutral current * Roy Glauber, U.S. physicist, Nobel Prize (2005) * David Gross, US, * Robert Hofstadter, US, for his pioneering studies of electron scattering in atomic nuclei and for his thereby achieved discoveries concerning the structure of the nucleons * Brian David Josephson, UK, for his theoretical predictions of the properties of a supercurrent through a tunnel barrier, in particular those phenomena which are generally known as the Josephson effect * Lev Davidovich Landau, Russia, for his pioneering theories for condensed matter, especially liquid helium * Leon Max Lederman, US, for the neutrino beam method and the demonstration of the doublet structure of the leptons through the discovery of the muon neutrino * David Lee, US, * Gabriel Lippmann, France, for his method of reproducing colours photographically based on the phenomenon of interference * Albert Abraham Michelson, US, for his optical precision instruments and the spectroscopic and metrological investigations carried out with their aid * Ben Roy Mottelson, US and Denmark,for the discovery of the connection between collective motion and particle motion in atomic nuclei and the development of the theory of the structure of the atomic nucleus based on this connection * Douglas Osheroff, US, (Jewish father]] * Wolfgang Pauli, (Jewish paternal grandparent) * Arno Allan Penzias, US, for their discovery of cosmic microwave background radiation * Martin Lewis Perl, for the discovery of the tau lepton * David Politzer, US, * Isidor Isaac Rabi, US, for his resonance method for recording the magnetic properties of atomic nuclei * Frederick Reines, US, * Burton Richter, US, for their pioneering work in the discovery of a heavy elementary particle of a new kind * Arthur Schawlow, US, (Jewish father) * Melvin Schwartz, US, for the neutrino beam method and the demonstration of the doublet structure of the leptons through the discovery of the muon neutrino * Julian Schwinger, US, for his work on quantum electrodynamics * Emilio Segre, Italy and US, for discovery of antiproton * Jack Steinberger, US, for the neutrino beam method and the demonstration of the doublet structure of the leptons through the discovery of the muon neutrino * Otto Stern, US, for his contribution to the development of the molecular ray method and his discovery of the magnetic moment of the proton * Steven Weinberg, US, for their contributions to the theory of the unified weak and electromagnetic interaction between elementary particles, including, inter alia, the prediction of the weak neutral current * Eugene Wigner, US, Nuclear Engineering I'm glad to see that you are proud of your Jewish heritage. (I do frown upon anyone's "religious day" being a national holiday, and would far prefer a "seasonal holiday" be available to anyone who wants a day off during the week in December." It's called a vacation or personal day. Take it anytime you want! |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... John H. wrote: On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 16:59:05 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: I think we should have the day off to celebrate the birthday of all Jews whose thoughts were significant to humanity. We could start with these Nobel laureates in physics: * Alexei Alexeevich Abrikosov, Russia, for pioneering contributions to the theory of superconductors and superfluids (Jewish mother) * Zhores Alferov, Russia, (Jewish mother) * Hans Bethe, US, (Jewish mother) * Felix Bloch, Swiss and US, for his development of new methods for nuclear magnetic precision measurements and discoveries in connection therewith * Niels Bohr, Denmark, for his quantum model of the atom (Jewish mother) * Max Born, Germany, UK and US, for his fundamental research in quantum mechanics, especially for his statistical interpretation of the wavefunction * Georges Charpak, France, * Claude Cohen-Tannoudji, France, * Leon Neil Cooper, US, * Albert Einstein, German, later US, for the discovery of the photoelectric effect * Richard P. Feynman, US, for their fundamental work in quantum electrodynamics, with deep-ploughing consequences for the physics of elementary particles * James Franck, Germany, for their discovery of the laws governing the impact of an electron upon an atom * Ilya Frank, Russia, (Jewish father) * Jerome Isaac Friedman, US, for their pioneering investigations concerning deep inelastic scattering of electrons on protons and bound neutrons, which have been of essential importance for the development of the quark model in particle physics * Dennis Gabor, Hungary, for his invention and development of the holographic method * Murray Gell-Mann, US, for his contributions and discoveries concerning the classification of elementary particles and their interactions" * Vitaly Lazarevich Ginzburg, Russia, for pioneering contributions to the theory of superconductors and superfluids * Donald Arthur Glaser, US, for the invention of the bubble chamber * Sheldon Lee Glashow, US, for their contributions to the theory of the unified weak and electromagnetic interaction between elementary particles, including, inter alia, the prediction of the weak neutral current * Roy Glauber, U.S. physicist, Nobel Prize (2005) * David Gross, US, * Robert Hofstadter, US, for his pioneering studies of electron scattering in atomic nuclei and for his thereby achieved discoveries concerning the structure of the nucleons * Brian David Josephson, UK, for his theoretical predictions of the properties of a supercurrent through a tunnel barrier, in particular those phenomena which are generally known as the Josephson effect * Lev Davidovich Landau, Russia, for his pioneering theories for condensed matter, especially liquid helium * Leon Max Lederman, US, for the neutrino beam method and the demonstration of the doublet structure of the leptons through the discovery of the muon neutrino * David Lee, US, * Gabriel Lippmann, France, for his method of reproducing colours photographically based on the phenomenon of interference * Albert Abraham Michelson, US, for his optical precision instruments and the spectroscopic and metrological investigations carried out with their aid * Ben Roy Mottelson, US and Denmark,for the discovery of the connection between collective motion and particle motion in atomic nuclei and the development of the theory of the structure of the atomic nucleus based on this connection * Douglas Osheroff, US, (Jewish father]] * Wolfgang Pauli, (Jewish paternal grandparent) * Arno Allan Penzias, US, for their discovery of cosmic microwave background radiation * Martin Lewis Perl, for the discovery of the tau lepton * David Politzer, US, * Isidor Isaac Rabi, US, for his resonance method for recording the magnetic properties of atomic nuclei * Frederick Reines, US, * Burton Richter, US, for their pioneering work in the discovery of a heavy elementary particle of a new kind * Arthur Schawlow, US, (Jewish father) * Melvin Schwartz, US, for the neutrino beam method and the demonstration of the doublet structure of the leptons through the discovery of the muon neutrino * Julian Schwinger, US, for his work on quantum electrodynamics * Emilio Segre, Italy and US, for discovery of antiproton * Jack Steinberger, US, for the neutrino beam method and the demonstration of the doublet structure of the leptons through the discovery of the muon neutrino * Otto Stern, US, for his contribution to the development of the molecular ray method and his discovery of the magnetic moment of the proton * Steven Weinberg, US, for their contributions to the theory of the unified weak and electromagnetic interaction between elementary particles, including, inter alia, the prediction of the weak neutral current * Eugene Wigner, US, Nuclear Engineering (I do frown upon anyone's "religious day" being a national holiday, and would far prefer a "seasonal holiday" be available to anyone who wants a day off during the week in December." Harry, celebrating the birth of these Jews should be done on the day of their births. I have no problem with that. Christmas celebrates the day of one particular Jew's birth, Jesus. You may find that galling, but it's a fact. -- John Wishing you the best as we celebrate the birth of our Lord, Jesus Christ. It's just an "assigned" day, John. I don't find it "galling" for any private persons to celebrate anyone's birthday, but I don't believe the state should in any way honor or acknowledge anyone's religious "holiday." Why not, 84% of the US claims to be Christian? |
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" *JimH*" wrote in message . .. "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... John H. wrote: On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 16:59:05 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: I think we should have the day off to celebrate the birthday of all Jews whose thoughts were significant to humanity. We could start with these Nobel laureates in physics: * Alexei Alexeevich Abrikosov, Russia, for pioneering contributions to the theory of superconductors and superfluids (Jewish mother) * Zhores Alferov, Russia, (Jewish mother) * Hans Bethe, US, (Jewish mother) * Felix Bloch, Swiss and US, for his development of new methods for nuclear magnetic precision measurements and discoveries in connection therewith * Niels Bohr, Denmark, for his quantum model of the atom (Jewish mother) * Max Born, Germany, UK and US, for his fundamental research in quantum mechanics, especially for his statistical interpretation of the wavefunction * Georges Charpak, France, * Claude Cohen-Tannoudji, France, * Leon Neil Cooper, US, * Albert Einstein, German, later US, for the discovery of the photoelectric effect * Richard P. Feynman, US, for their fundamental work in quantum electrodynamics, with deep-ploughing consequences for the physics of elementary particles * James Franck, Germany, for their discovery of the laws governing the impact of an electron upon an atom * Ilya Frank, Russia, (Jewish father) * Jerome Isaac Friedman, US, for their pioneering investigations concerning deep inelastic scattering of electrons on protons and bound neutrons, which have been of essential importance for the development of the quark model in particle physics * Dennis Gabor, Hungary, for his invention and development of the holographic method * Murray Gell-Mann, US, for his contributions and discoveries concerning the classification of elementary particles and their interactions" * Vitaly Lazarevich Ginzburg, Russia, for pioneering contributions to the theory of superconductors and superfluids * Donald Arthur Glaser, US, for the invention of the bubble chamber * Sheldon Lee Glashow, US, for their contributions to the theory of the unified weak and electromagnetic interaction between elementary particles, including, inter alia, the prediction of the weak neutral current * Roy Glauber, U.S. physicist, Nobel Prize (2005) * David Gross, US, * Robert Hofstadter, US, for his pioneering studies of electron scattering in atomic nuclei and for his thereby achieved discoveries concerning the structure of the nucleons * Brian David Josephson, UK, for his theoretical predictions of the properties of a supercurrent through a tunnel barrier, in particular those phenomena which are generally known as the Josephson effect * Lev Davidovich Landau, Russia, for his pioneering theories for condensed matter, especially liquid helium * Leon Max Lederman, US, for the neutrino beam method and the demonstration of the doublet structure of the leptons through the discovery of the muon neutrino * David Lee, US, * Gabriel Lippmann, France, for his method of reproducing colours photographically based on the phenomenon of interference * Albert Abraham Michelson, US, for his optical precision instruments and the spectroscopic and metrological investigations carried out with their aid * Ben Roy Mottelson, US and Denmark,for the discovery of the connection between collective motion and particle motion in atomic nuclei and the development of the theory of the structure of the atomic nucleus based on this connection * Douglas Osheroff, US, (Jewish father]] * Wolfgang Pauli, (Jewish paternal grandparent) * Arno Allan Penzias, US, for their discovery of cosmic microwave background radiation * Martin Lewis Perl, for the discovery of the tau lepton * David Politzer, US, * Isidor Isaac Rabi, US, for his resonance method for recording the magnetic properties of atomic nuclei * Frederick Reines, US, * Burton Richter, US, for their pioneering work in the discovery of a heavy elementary particle of a new kind * Arthur Schawlow, US, (Jewish father) * Melvin Schwartz, US, for the neutrino beam method and the demonstration of the doublet structure of the leptons through the discovery of the muon neutrino * Julian Schwinger, US, for his work on quantum electrodynamics * Emilio Segre, Italy and US, for discovery of antiproton * Jack Steinberger, US, for the neutrino beam method and the demonstration of the doublet structure of the leptons through the discovery of the muon neutrino * Otto Stern, US, for his contribution to the development of the molecular ray method and his discovery of the magnetic moment of the proton * Steven Weinberg, US, for their contributions to the theory of the unified weak and electromagnetic interaction between elementary particles, including, inter alia, the prediction of the weak neutral current * Eugene Wigner, US, Nuclear Engineering (I do frown upon anyone's "religious day" being a national holiday, and would far prefer a "seasonal holiday" be available to anyone who wants a day off during the week in December." Harry, celebrating the birth of these Jews should be done on the day of their births. I have no problem with that. Christmas celebrates the day of one particular Jew's birth, Jesus. You may find that galling, but it's a fact. -- John Wishing you the best as we celebrate the birth of our Lord, Jesus Christ. It's just an "assigned" day, John. I don't find it "galling" for any private persons to celebrate anyone's birthday, but I don't believe the state should in any way honor or acknowledge anyone's religious "holiday." So what are you doing on Christmas Eve and Christmas Day Harry? Harry will be whining and moaning about all of the stores being closed. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... John H. wrote: How many of the 45 million babies killed would have lived if they'd simply been born at the time they were killed? More than a thousand? Ten percent? One percent? -- John And think of the poor sperm that oozes out...and the eggs wasted each month. You really don't understand the sacrement of marriage and its obligations in the Catholic church do you? |
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On Sat, 3 Dec 2005 18:52:29 -0500, "Bert Robbins"
wrote: So what are you doing on Christmas Eve and Christmas Day Harry? Harry will be whining and moaning about all of the stores being closed. Nay, he'll be at Wal-Mart bargain hunting. They'll probably have a sale on shotgun shells. -- John MERRY CHRISTMAS! Wishing you the best as we celebrate the birth of our Lord, Jesus Christ. |
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On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 19:11:22 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: Bert Robbins wrote: Why not, 84% of the US claims to be Christian? D'uh. There, you've finally said something that show's you *are* somewhat intelligent! -- John MERRY CHRISTMAS! Wishing you the best as we celebrate the birth of our Lord, Jesus Christ. |
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wrote in message oups.com... The decorated tree in your living room is a "pagan" symbol of the first order. The ancient Celts and the Germanic tribes had a solstice tradition where a small tree would be brought into the home and showered with offerings (tinsel, jewelry, "ornaments") to honor the Spirit of the Forest. The tree serves as a sort of altar. For precisely that reason my fundamentalist preacher brother-in-law has always refused to allow a Christmas tree in his house. -rick- |
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"-rick-" wrote in message . .. wrote in message oups.com... The decorated tree in your living room is a "pagan" symbol of the first order. The ancient Celts and the Germanic tribes had a solstice tradition where a small tree would be brought into the home and showered with offerings (tinsel, jewelry, "ornaments") to honor the Spirit of the Forest. The tree serves as a sort of altar. For precisely that reason my fundamentalist preacher brother-in-law has always refused to allow a Christmas tree in his house. -rick- But if they called it a *Holiday* tree I guess that would be OK. Eh? |
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John H. wrote: On 3 Dec 2005 09:35:31 -0800, wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 21:22:37 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: *JimH* wrote: Damn it, we got it in the house and it looks just like a Christmas tree. Ours will be decorated upon my wife's return from her out-a-towner. We have a nice artificial tree, because our cats are just too fond of the real deal. One of them, especially, likes to climb to the top of a real tree and then sway back and forth until he knocks it over. But he and the others have no interest in the artificial tree, other than stealing the tinsel and stashing it away. Harry, when are the liberals going to start waging their campaign to remove the crosses and the stars of David from Arlington Memorial Cemetery? Surely, being a union guy and all, you've got the inside track with what the ACLUnion is doing these days. -- John H "It's not a *baby* kicking, beautiful bride, it's just a fetus!" [A Self-obsessed Hypocrite] Why don't you turn off the radio and think for yourself? The crosses, stars of David, and even the Moslem crescents in Arlington National cemetary belong on the tombs. They are there to help identify and commemorate the people who are buried there. Just like the name on the tombstone, the religious symbols (or lack of same), make a statement about the deceased. Now, when you want to put a Christian Cross over the entrance and require everybody to say Hail Mary or The Lord's Prayer when entering, (or install the trappings of any other religion as an overall theme for Arlington), you will indeed hear from liberals- as well as moderates, conservatives, and lovers of the First Amendment from any political camp. Rationales don't cut it, Chuck. A religious symbol is on federal property. Amen. -- John H No, a variety of religious symbols, all personally relevant to the deceased persons, are on federal property. That's different than making the entire cemetary a Christian shrine. And that was my point. No liberals (that I know, and I know a lot) have any interest in restricting the practice of individual religion. Most simply want it to be a matter of individual choice, rather than a government edict. I believe that all but the most hopelessly deluded righties probably, in principle, agree. |
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John H. wrote: On 3 Dec 2005 09:28:48 -0800, wrote: *JimH* wrote: Damn it, we got it in the house and it looks just like a Christmas tree. I always laugh my arse off at the very notion of a "Christmas tree." Glad the Christmas season brings you some joy. I've even seen "Christmas Trees" set up in churches. Wow. Talk about confused........ We use our tree as a place to put gifts for the needy. No confusion at all. Prior to Christmas day, the gifts are distributed to children who otherwise may not have any. Do you find this offensive? Not in the least. You make offerings to the tree, the tree blesses the offerings (gifts), and then the tree gives them back so you can enjoy them or give them to others. Very old tradition. You do the same thing when you pass the plate on a Sunday morning. You place offerings on the altar, but they don't just disappear to be spent in Heaven- they are prayed over, blessed, etc and then put to use in the very earthly pursuit of paying the light bill and the minister's salary. The decorated tree in your living room is a "pagan" symbol of the first order. The ancient Celts and the Germanic tribes had a solstice tradition where a small tree would be brought into the home and showered with offerings (tinsel, jewelry, "ornaments") to honor the Spirit of the Forest. The tree serves as a sort of altar. There are other traditions also, Chuck. And, is there something *wrong* with honoring a deity which cares for the forests? Not at all. Are you comfortable "crowning" a tree? (with a special top ornament)? As one of my friends, (a devout Christian but not a member of a mainstream sect), points out, there is nothing in the Bible that commands anybody to celebrate Christmas or even Easter. In fact, two of the four New Testament gospels don't even mention The Natvity, and you would think that hosts of angels descending from heaven wouldn't be such a trivial detail that it was accidentally overlooked. Have you read somewhere that all of the gospels in the New Testament must say exactly the same thing? No, but if they disagree it becomes a bit more difficult to accept every single sentence in the Bible as the literal word of God, doesn't it? The Virgin Birth story was added about 150-200 AD. Specifically to allow Christianity to compete with the worship of Mithras. Funny thing, at least to me, is that the most important story in the New Testament has to be the Resurrection. (All four gospels mention that, right?). I would think that the Easter story is diminished in importance if Jesus were a supernatural being. IOW, "A supernatural being has the power to rise from the dead." Now, put forth the theory that a loving divinity makes it possible for common, garden-variety mortals to be saved, through faith, from death and achieve some sort of "eternal life" and you've actually got a bigger miracle to celebrate. Again, that's just my opinion. Is there a religious passage somewhere that says, "Go thou, chop down a tree, bring it into your home, and make offereings unto it?" Nah, probably not. In fact, I sort of recall that Jehovah was might upset when some of his followers were venerating a golden calf. It ain't that far from a calf to a tree. Probably no passage saying same. So what? There is no passage saying, "Buy thyself a boat and cruise Puget Sound," You do it because you enjoy it. People put Christmas trees in their homes because they enjoy them. For many, decorating the tree is a family get-together time that is most enjoyable. And I have no problem with people putting up a tree. When I go boating, I don't pretend it's a religious observance. Neither should people putting up a tree, unless they practice a religion that venerates trees. And, the tree provides a centerpiece for the electric train going round and round its base. Oh, and take a good close look at that holly and mistletoe while you're at it. :-) Holly provides a decorative touch on the fireplace mantel. Intermixed with candles, lights, and other decorations it adds to the Christmas cheer. Can anybody who considers Christmas a Christian and religious holiday offer a good explanation for the inculsion of a venerated tree? I'd be fascinated to see it attempted. http://www.christmasarchives.com/trees.html ...and because we like them. They provide a nice gathering spot for family and friends and for the opening of gifts on Christmas morning. It's a shame you miss out on one of the great pleasures of life - watching the grandchildren opening their presents by the Christmas tree. -- John H "It's not a *baby* kicking, beautiful bride, it's just a fetus!" [A Self-obsessed Hypocrite] |
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John H. wrote: On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 16:59:05 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Harry, celebrating the birth of these Jews should be done on the day of their births. I have no problem with that. Christmas celebrates the day of one particular Jew's birth, Jesus. You may find that galling, but it's a fact. -- John Wishing you the best as we celebrate the birth of our Lord, Jesus Christ. Nonsense. As far as I know, there isn't a single biblical scholar willing to state any specific day of the year as the birthday of Jesus. December 25 was chosen to allow the Christ-mass to supplant Germanic solstice festivals. And *that's* a fact. Christmas was rarely celebrated as anything more than just another minor feast day on the annual religious calendar until some time in the early 19th century. When you read Acts, do you see examples of early Christians celebrating Christmas and Easter? How about Paul's letters to all the early churches, do you read any exhortations to be sure to remember to celebrate Christmas on December 25, or Easter on the first Sunday after the first full moon following the spring equinox? Funny how so many people *insist* that Jesus was born on December 25, exactly, but don't have a problem with Easter wandering all around the calendar from year to year. |
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wrote in message oups.com... John H. wrote: On 3 Dec 2005 09:28:48 -0800, wrote: *JimH* wrote: Damn it, we got it in the house and it looks just like a Christmas tree. I always laugh my arse off at the very notion of a "Christmas tree." Glad the Christmas season brings you some joy. I've even seen "Christmas Trees" set up in churches. Wow. Talk about confused........ We use our tree as a place to put gifts for the needy. No confusion at all. Prior to Christmas day, the gifts are distributed to children who otherwise may not have any. Do you find this offensive? Not in the least. You make offerings to the tree, Do you? Not me? ...........the tree blesses the offerings (gifts), and then the tree gives them back so you can enjoy them or give them to others. Very old tradition. I have never asked my Christmas tree to blee the gifts I offer to others. My gifts are offered in appreciation of my family and friends. You do the same thing when you pass the plate on a Sunday morning. You place offerings on the altar, but they don't just disappear to be spent in Heaven- they are prayed over, blessed, etc and then put to use in the very earthly pursuit of paying the light bill and the minister's salary. Our offerings are for the needy, regardless of where they may live. I will not make fun of your offerings Chuck as I know they are well intentioned. The decorated tree in your living room is a "pagan" symbol of the first order. The ancient Celts and the Germanic tribes had a solstice tradition where a small tree would be brought into the home and showered with offerings (tinsel, jewelry, "ornaments") to honor the Spirit of the Forest. The tree serves as a sort of altar. There are other traditions also, Chuck. And, is there something *wrong* with honoring a deity which cares for the forests? Not at all. Are you comfortable "crowning" a tree? (with a special top ornament)? We celebrate the day we put our Christmas tree up and decorate it. It has been a family tradition since our children were born. What is your problem with that? As one of my friends, (a devout Christian but not a member of a mainstream sect), points out, there is nothing in the Bible that commands anybody to celebrate Christmas or even Easter. In fact, two of the four New Testament gospels don't even mention The Natvity, and you would think that hosts of angels descending from heaven wouldn't be such a trivial detail that it was accidentally overlooked. Have you read somewhere that all of the gospels in the New Testament must say exactly the same thing? No, but if they disagree it becomes a bit more difficult to accept every single sentence in the Bible as the literal word of God, doesn't it? Only in your world. And I have no problem with people putting up a tree. Sure you do Chuck. Your posts prove it. |
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John H. wrote: On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 17:58:26 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: John H. wrote: How many of the 45 million babies killed would have lived if they'd simply been born at the time they were killed? More than a thousand? Ten percent? One percent? -- John And think of the poor sperm that oozes out...and the eggs wasted each month. Hard question, huh? "It's just a fetus kicking, honey." Ring any bells? Here, I'll repeat one you seem to have missed. Harry, all nations have their Holy Days. Our nation does too. If you don't want to join in the celebration of Christ's birth, don't do it. Our nation does not. "Congress shall make no law......" go back and read the first amendment. Are Jews un-American? How about atheists and agnostics? Are they less American because they don't pray to Jesus, or don't pray at all? They're a heck of a lot less Christian, for sure. But most of the Christians in the world aren't Americans. Christmas is not a "national holy day" . My ancestors began arriving here in the early 1600's specifically to get away from "official state holy days." Our founders set up a system where you are free to practice your religion as you see fit, but it will never be the "national" religion. Sorry. |
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" *JimH*" wrote in message ... wrote in message oups.com... John H. wrote: On 3 Dec 2005 09:28:48 -0800, wrote: *JimH* wrote: Damn it, we got it in the house and it looks just like a Christmas tree. I always laugh my arse off at the very notion of a "Christmas tree." Glad the Christmas season brings you some joy. I've even seen "Christmas Trees" set up in churches. Wow. Talk about confused........ We use our tree as a place to put gifts for the needy. No confusion at all. Prior to Christmas day, the gifts are distributed to children who otherwise may not have any. Do you find this offensive? Not in the least. You make offerings to the tree, Do you? Not me? ...........the tree blesses the offerings (gifts), and then the tree gives them back so you can enjoy them or give them to others. Very old tradition. I have never asked my Christmas tree to bless the gifts I offer to others. My gifts are offered in appreciation of my family and friends. You do the same thing when you pass the plate on a Sunday morning. You place offerings on the altar, but they don't just disappear to be spent in Heaven- they are prayed over, blessed, etc and then put to use in the very earthly pursuit of paying the light bill and the minister's salary. Our offerings are for the needy, regardless of where they may live. I will not make fun of your offerings Chuck as I know they are well intentioned. The decorated tree in your living room is a "pagan" symbol of the first order. The ancient Celts and the Germanic tribes had a solstice tradition where a small tree would be brought into the home and showered with offerings (tinsel, jewelry, "ornaments") to honor the Spirit of the Forest. The tree serves as a sort of altar. There are other traditions also, Chuck. And, is there something *wrong* with honoring a deity which cares for the forests? Not at all. Are you comfortable "crowning" a tree? (with a special top ornament)? We celebrate the day we put our Christmas tree up and decorate it. It has been a family tradition since our children were born. What is your problem with that? As one of my friends, (a devout Christian but not a member of a mainstream sect), points out, there is nothing in the Bible that commands anybody to celebrate Christmas or even Easter. In fact, two of the four New Testament gospels don't even mention The Natvity, and you would think that hosts of angels descending from heaven wouldn't be such a trivial detail that it was accidentally overlooked. Have you read somewhere that all of the gospels in the New Testament must say exactly the same thing? No, but if they disagree it becomes a bit more difficult to accept every single sentence in the Bible as the literal word of God, doesn't it? Only in your world. And I have no problem with people putting up a tree. Sure you do Chuck. Your posts prove it. |
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On 3 Dec 2005 18:42:06 -0800, wrote:
John H. wrote: On 3 Dec 2005 09:28:48 -0800, wrote: *JimH* wrote: Damn it, we got it in the house and it looks just like a Christmas tree. I always laugh my arse off at the very notion of a "Christmas tree." Glad the Christmas season brings you some joy. I've even seen "Christmas Trees" set up in churches. Wow. Talk about confused........ We use our tree as a place to put gifts for the needy. No confusion at all. Prior to Christmas day, the gifts are distributed to children who otherwise may not have any. Do you find this offensive? Not in the least. You make offerings to the tree, the tree blesses the offerings (gifts), and then the tree gives them back so you can enjoy them or give them to others. Very old tradition. No offerings are made to a tree. That was an assinine comment, one that I wouldn't have expected from you. You do the same thing when you pass the plate on a Sunday morning. You place offerings on the altar, but they don't just disappear to be spent in Heaven- they are prayed over, blessed, etc and then put to use in the very earthly pursuit of paying the light bill and the minister's salary. And providing food and lodging for the poor, along with other works. The decorated tree in your living room is a "pagan" symbol of the first order. The ancient Celts and the Germanic tribes had a solstice tradition where a small tree would be brought into the home and showered with offerings (tinsel, jewelry, "ornaments") to honor the Spirit of the Forest. The tree serves as a sort of altar. There are other traditions also, Chuck. And, is there something *wrong* with honoring a deity which cares for the forests? Not at all. Are you comfortable "crowning" a tree? (with a special top ornament)? I am very comfortable with putting a decoration on the top of the tree. You may call it 'crowning', but it's not a term I've ever heard. As one of my friends, (a devout Christian but not a member of a mainstream sect), points out, there is nothing in the Bible that commands anybody to celebrate Christmas or even Easter. In fact, two of the four New Testament gospels don't even mention The Natvity, and you would think that hosts of angels descending from heaven wouldn't be such a trivial detail that it was accidentally overlooked. Have you read somewhere that all of the gospels in the New Testament must say exactly the same thing? No, but if they disagree it becomes a bit more difficult to accept every single sentence in the Bible as the literal word of God, doesn't it? Do they disagree about the birth of Christ? I thought you said that the Nativity wasn't mentioned. None of the good news in Iraq is mentioned in the major media, but that doesn't mean it's not happening. The Virgin Birth story was added about 150-200 AD. Specifically to allow Christianity to compete with the worship of Mithras. Funny thing, at least to me, is that the most important story in the New Testament has to be the Resurrection. (All four gospels mention that, right?). I would think that the Easter story is diminished in importance if Jesus were a supernatural being. IOW, "A supernatural being has the power to rise from the dead." Now, put forth the theory that a loving divinity makes it possible for common, garden-variety mortals to be saved, through faith, from death and achieve some sort of "eternal life" and you've actually got a bigger miracle to celebrate. Again, that's just my opinion. You're entitled to your opinion, and, as you say, that's just your opinion. Is there a religious passage somewhere that says, "Go thou, chop down a tree, bring it into your home, and make offereings unto it?" Nah, probably not. In fact, I sort of recall that Jehovah was might upset when some of his followers were venerating a golden calf. It ain't that far from a calf to a tree. Probably no passage saying same. So what? There is no passage saying, "Buy thyself a boat and cruise Puget Sound," You do it because you enjoy it. People put Christmas trees in their homes because they enjoy them. For many, decorating the tree is a family get-together time that is most enjoyable. And I have no problem with people putting up a tree. When I go boating, I don't pretend it's a religious observance. Neither should people putting up a tree, unless they practice a religion that venerates trees. Well gee! Thanks for not having a problem with my Christmas tree. The putting up of the tree is *part* of our observance of Christmas. I'm pretending nothing. And, the tree provides a centerpiece for the electric train going round and round its base. I guess the above met with your approval? No derogatory comments? Oh, and take a good close look at that holly and mistletoe while you're at it. :-) Holly provides a decorative touch on the fireplace mantel. Intermixed with candles, lights, and other decorations it adds to the Christmas cheer. This was OK also? Can anybody who considers Christmas a Christian and religious holiday offer a good explanation for the inculsion of a venerated tree? I'd be fascinated to see it attempted. http://www.christmasarchives.com/trees.html ...and because we like them. They provide a nice gathering spot for family and friends and for the opening of gifts on Christmas morning. Nothing wrong here either? It's a shame you miss out on one of the great pleasures of life - watching the grandchildren opening their presents by the Christmas tree. Have you ever watched your grandkids opening presents by the Christmas tree, Chuck? If not, you've missed out on a lot of joy. -- John H MERRY CHRISTMAS! Wishing you the best as we celebrate the birth of our Lord, Jesus Christ. |
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On 3 Dec 2005 18:16:40 -0800, wrote:
John H. wrote: On 3 Dec 2005 09:35:31 -0800, wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 21:22:37 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: *JimH* wrote: Damn it, we got it in the house and it looks just like a Christmas tree. Ours will be decorated upon my wife's return from her out-a-towner. We have a nice artificial tree, because our cats are just too fond of the real deal. One of them, especially, likes to climb to the top of a real tree and then sway back and forth until he knocks it over. But he and the others have no interest in the artificial tree, other than stealing the tinsel and stashing it away. Harry, when are the liberals going to start waging their campaign to remove the crosses and the stars of David from Arlington Memorial Cemetery? Surely, being a union guy and all, you've got the inside track with what the ACLUnion is doing these days. -- John H "It's not a *baby* kicking, beautiful bride, it's just a fetus!" [A Self-obsessed Hypocrite] Why don't you turn off the radio and think for yourself? The crosses, stars of David, and even the Moslem crescents in Arlington National cemetary belong on the tombs. They are there to help identify and commemorate the people who are buried there. Just like the name on the tombstone, the religious symbols (or lack of same), make a statement about the deceased. Now, when you want to put a Christian Cross over the entrance and require everybody to say Hail Mary or The Lord's Prayer when entering, (or install the trappings of any other religion as an overall theme for Arlington), you will indeed hear from liberals- as well as moderates, conservatives, and lovers of the First Amendment from any political camp. Rationales don't cut it, Chuck. A religious symbol is on federal property. Amen. -- John H No, a variety of religious symbols, all personally relevant to the deceased persons, are on federal property. That's different than making the entire cemetary a Christian shrine. And that was my point. No liberals (that I know, and I know a lot) have any interest in restricting the practice of individual religion. Most simply want it to be a matter of individual choice, rather than a government edict. I believe that all but the most hopelessly deluded righties probably, in principle, agree. The whole cemetery becomes a shrine to three religions. Is that different than putting differing symbols on the town square? The dead are being used as part of your rationale, but have no bearing on the displays. Their faith could be put on their headstones, as my father's was (in a different national cemetery). -- John H MERRY CHRISTMAS! Wishing you the best as we celebrate the birth of our Lord, Jesus Christ. |
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