Bush's ability to fool people diminishes
 

On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 10:14:00 -0500, John H. wrote:


It's pretty sad when the POTUS is so afraid of the public he'll only
appear in front of audiences who have to show him respect or they'll be
in trouble.

It's pretty honorable that the POTUS would give an Iraq speech to aspiring
military leaders.

Your (and Kevin's) argument that 'the applause was weak' is hilarious!

That may be, but you may miss a point. This President hasn't faced an
audience of the general public since before the election. I think he's
lost his nerve. What say you?

Bush's ability to fool people diminishes
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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thunder wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 10:04:12 -0500, John H. wrote:


VICTORY IN IRAQ DEFINED

Redefined is more like it. What ever happened to democracy breaking out
all over the middle east? Quite similar to the WMD mutating to the WMD
programs, don't you think? So John, when is this administration going to
stop the BS, and try a little honesty?


It's not defined at all. It's nothing but paragraphs that can be
interpreted any way the misAdministration pleases.

"Longer term, Iraq is peaceful, united, stable, and secure, well integrated
into the international community, and a full partner in the global war on
terrorism."





The key phrase is "full partner in the global war on terrorism". In other
words, Iraq allows us to establish permanent bases in Iraq from which we can
launch attacks against terrorist factions in the region.

Bush's ability to fool people diminishes
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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thunder wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 10:04:12 -0500, John H. wrote:


VICTORY IN IRAQ DEFINED
Redefined is more like it. What ever happened to democracy breaking
out
all over the middle east? Quite similar to the WMD mutating to the WMD
programs, don't you think? So John, when is this administration going
to
stop the BS, and try a little honesty?

It's not defined at all. It's nothing but paragraphs that can be
interpreted any way the misAdministration pleases.

"Longer term, Iraq is peaceful, united, stable, and secure, well
integrated into the international community, and a full partner in the
global war on terrorism."


Wiggle words, especially the way the Bush misAdministration lies.

What does the Administration mean, precisely, by:

peaceful

Does that mean no insurgent attacks? Only 10 a day? What?

united

Now that's an interesting word, since many believe Iraq is going to divide
into two or three nation-states.

stable

Not in anyone's lifetime

secure

What does that mean?

well-integrated

Another wiggle word.

Sorry. Too much room in these phrases for Presidummy Bush to lie as usual
about Iraq.



The key phrase is "full partner in the global war on terrorism". In
other words, Iraq allows us to establish permanent bases in Iraq from
which we can launch attacks against terrorist factions in the region.


The Iraqis want us out of their country.

You asked them?

Bush's ability to fool people diminishes
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
thunder wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 10:04:12 -0500, John H. wrote:


VICTORY IN IRAQ DEFINED
Redefined is more like it. What ever happened to democracy breaking
out
all over the middle east? Quite similar to the WMD mutating to the
WMD
programs, don't you think? So John, when is this administration
going to
stop the BS, and try a little honesty?
It's not defined at all. It's nothing but paragraphs that can be
interpreted any way the misAdministration pleases.
"Longer term, Iraq is peaceful, united, stable, and secure, well
integrated into the international community, and a full partner in the
global war on terrorism."

Wiggle words, especially the way the Bush misAdministration lies.

What does the Administration mean, precisely, by:

peaceful

Does that mean no insurgent attacks? Only 10 a day? What?

united

Now that's an interesting word, since many believe Iraq is going to
divide into two or three nation-states.

stable

Not in anyone's lifetime

secure

What does that mean?

well-integrated

Another wiggle word.

Sorry. Too much room in these phrases for Presidummy Bush to lie as
usual about Iraq.



The key phrase is "full partner in the global war on terrorism". In
other words, Iraq allows us to establish permanent bases in Iraq from
which we can launch attacks against terrorist factions in the region.

The Iraqis want us out of their country.

You asked them?



They've been asked, more than once. Get your nose out of Faux and NewsMax.

"Since 1998, Al Qaida has repeatedly cited Vietnam, Beirut, and Somalia, as
examples to encourage more attacks against America and our interests
overseas."



Bush didn't just make this up. From bin Laden's 1996 Declaration of War on
the United States:

"But your most disgraceful case was in Somalia; where- after vigorous
propaganda about the power of the USA and its post cold war leadership of
the new world order- you moved tens of thousands of international force,
including twenty eight thousands American solders into Somalia. However,
when tens of your solders were killed in minor battles and one American
Pilot was dragged in the streets of Mogadishu you left the area carrying
disappointment, humiliation, defeat and your dead with you. Clinton appeared
in front of the whole world threatening and promising revenge , but these
threats were merely a preparation for withdrawal. You have been disgraced by
Allah and you withdrew; the extent of your impotence and weaknesses became
very clear. It was a pleasure for the "heart" of every Muslim and a remedy
to the "chests" of believing nations to see you defeated in the three
Islamic cities of Beirut , Aden and Mogadishu."

Bush's ability to fool people diminishes
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
thunder wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 10:04:12 -0500, John H. wrote:


VICTORY IN IRAQ DEFINED
Redefined is more like it. What ever happened to democracy
breaking out
all over the middle east? Quite similar to the WMD mutating to the
WMD
programs, don't you think? So John, when is this administration
going to
stop the BS, and try a little honesty?
It's not defined at all. It's nothing but paragraphs that can be
interpreted any way the misAdministration pleases.
"Longer term, Iraq is peaceful, united, stable, and secure, well
integrated into the international community, and a full partner in
the global war on terrorism."
Wiggle words, especially the way the Bush misAdministration lies.

What does the Administration mean, precisely, by:

peaceful

Does that mean no insurgent attacks? Only 10 a day? What?

united

Now that's an interesting word, since many believe Iraq is going to
divide into two or three nation-states.

stable

Not in anyone's lifetime

secure

What does that mean?

well-integrated

Another wiggle word.

Sorry. Too much room in these phrases for Presidummy Bush to lie as
usual about Iraq.



The key phrase is "full partner in the global war on terrorism". In
other words, Iraq allows us to establish permanent bases in Iraq from
which we can launch attacks against terrorist factions in the region.
The Iraqis want us out of their country.
You asked them?


They've been asked, more than once. Get your nose out of Faux and
NewsMax.

"Since 1998, Al Qaida has repeatedly cited Vietnam, Beirut, and Somalia,
as examples to encourage more attacks against America and our interests
overseas."



Bush didn't just make this up. From bin Laden's 1996 Declaration of War
on the United States:

"But your most disgraceful case was in Somalia; where- after vigorous
propaganda about the power of the USA and its post cold war leadership of
the new world order- you moved tens of thousands of international force,
including twenty eight thousands American solders into Somalia. However,
when tens of your solders were killed in minor battles and one American
Pilot was dragged in the streets of Mogadishu you left the area carrying
disappointment, humiliation, defeat and your dead with you. Clinton
appeared in front of the whole world threatening and promising revenge ,
but these threats were merely a preparation for withdrawal. You have been
disgraced by Allah and you withdrew; the extent of your impotence and
weaknesses became very clear. It was a pleasure for the "heart" of every
Muslim and a remedy to the "chests" of believing nations to see you
defeated in the three Islamic cities of Beirut , Aden and Mogadishu."




Your second bite of the apple has nothing to do with the fact that Iraqis
have told us they want us out of their country.


Terrorists...espouse the extreme goals of Osama Bin Laden - chaos in Iraq
which will allow them to establish a base for toppling Iraq's neighbors and
launching attacks outside the region and against the U.S. homeland.



Do you not agree with that assessment?

I can site examples from bin Laden's 1996 Fatwa once again if you'd like.

Bush's ability to fool people diminishes
 

On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 10:29:37 -0500, thunder wrote:

On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 10:14:00 -0500, John H. wrote:


It's pretty sad when the POTUS is so afraid of the public he'll only
appear in front of audiences who have to show him respect or they'll be
in trouble.

It's pretty honorable that the POTUS would give an Iraq speech to aspiring
military leaders.

Your (and Kevin's) argument that 'the applause was weak' is hilarious!

That may be, but you may miss a point. This President hasn't faced an
audience of the general public since before the election. I think he's
lost his nerve. What say you?

Well, the State of the Union speech is coming. That should make you feel good.

The Iraq speech yesterday didn't sound like it was coming from someone who's
lost his nerve.
--
John H

"It's not a *baby* kicking, beautiful bride, it's just a fetus!"
[A Self-obsessed Hypocrite]

Bush's ability to fool people diminishes
 

On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 10:23:34 -0500, thunder wrote:

On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 10:04:12 -0500, John H. wrote:


VICTORY IN IRAQ DEFINED

Redefined is more like it. What ever happened to democracy breaking out
all over the middle east? Quite similar to the WMD mutating to the WMD
programs, don't you think? So John, when is this administration going to
stop the BS, and try a little honesty?

Do you think the withdrawal of troops from Iraq should depend on democracy
breaking out all over the middle east?
--
John H

"It's not a *baby* kicking, beautiful bride, it's just a fetus!"
[A Self-obsessed Hypocrite]

Bush's ability to fool people diminishes
 

On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 11:39:17 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
thunder wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 10:04:12 -0500, John H. wrote:


VICTORY IN IRAQ DEFINED
Redefined is more like it. What ever happened to democracy breaking
out
all over the middle east? Quite similar to the WMD mutating to the
WMD
programs, don't you think? So John, when is this administration
going to
stop the BS, and try a little honesty?
It's not defined at all. It's nothing but paragraphs that can be
interpreted any way the misAdministration pleases.
"Longer term, Iraq is peaceful, united, stable, and secure, well
integrated into the international community, and a full partner in the
global war on terrorism."
Wiggle words, especially the way the Bush misAdministration lies.

What does the Administration mean, precisely, by:

peaceful

Does that mean no insurgent attacks? Only 10 a day? What?

united

Now that's an interesting word, since many believe Iraq is going to
divide into two or three nation-states.

stable

Not in anyone's lifetime

secure

What does that mean?

well-integrated

Another wiggle word.

Sorry. Too much room in these phrases for Presidummy Bush to lie as
usual about Iraq.



The key phrase is "full partner in the global war on terrorism". In
other words, Iraq allows us to establish permanent bases in Iraq from
which we can launch attacks against terrorist factions in the region.
The Iraqis want us out of their country.
You asked them?


They've been asked, more than once. Get your nose out of Faux and NewsMax.

"Since 1998, Al Qaida has repeatedly cited Vietnam, Beirut, and Somalia, as
examples to encourage more attacks against America and our interests
overseas."



Bush didn't just make this up. From bin Laden's 1996 Declaration of War on
the United States:

"But your most disgraceful case was in Somalia; where- after vigorous
propaganda about the power of the USA and its post cold war leadership of
the new world order- you moved tens of thousands of international force,
including twenty eight thousands American solders into Somalia. However,
when tens of your solders were killed in minor battles and one American
Pilot was dragged in the streets of Mogadishu you left the area carrying
disappointment, humiliation, defeat and your dead with you. Clinton appeared
in front of the whole world threatening and promising revenge , but these
threats were merely a preparation for withdrawal. You have been disgraced by
Allah and you withdrew; the extent of your impotence and weaknesses became
very clear. It was a pleasure for the "heart" of every Muslim and a remedy
to the "chests" of believing nations to see you defeated in the three
Islamic cities of Beirut , Aden and Mogadishu."




Your second bite of the apple has nothing to do with the fact that
Iraqis have told us they want us out of their country.

Show us where over 80% of the Iraqis have said they want us out *now*. Of course
they want us out. The question is 'when'?
--
John H

"It's not a *baby* kicking, beautiful bride, it's just a fetus!"
[A Self-obsessed Hypocrite]

Bush's ability to fool people diminishes
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
thunder wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 10:04:12 -0500, John H. wrote:


VICTORY IN IRAQ DEFINED
Redefined is more like it. What ever happened to democracy
breaking out
all over the middle east? Quite similar to the WMD mutating to
the WMD
programs, don't you think? So John, when is this administration
going to
stop the BS, and try a little honesty?
It's not defined at all. It's nothing but paragraphs that can be
interpreted any way the misAdministration pleases.
"Longer term, Iraq is peaceful, united, stable, and secure, well
integrated into the international community, and a full partner in
the global war on terrorism."
Wiggle words, especially the way the Bush misAdministration lies.

What does the Administration mean, precisely, by:

peaceful

Does that mean no insurgent attacks? Only 10 a day? What?

united

Now that's an interesting word, since many believe Iraq is going to
divide into two or three nation-states.

stable

Not in anyone's lifetime

secure

What does that mean?

well-integrated

Another wiggle word.

Sorry. Too much room in these phrases for Presidummy Bush to lie as
usual about Iraq.



The key phrase is "full partner in the global war on terrorism".
In other words, Iraq allows us to establish permanent bases in Iraq
from which we can launch attacks against terrorist factions in the
region.
The Iraqis want us out of their country.
You asked them?


They've been asked, more than once. Get your nose out of Faux and
NewsMax.
"Since 1998, Al Qaida has repeatedly cited Vietnam, Beirut, and
Somalia, as examples to encourage more attacks against America and our
interests overseas."



Bush didn't just make this up. From bin Laden's 1996 Declaration of
War on the United States:

"But your most disgraceful case was in Somalia; where- after vigorous
propaganda about the power of the USA and its post cold war leadership
of the new world order- you moved tens of thousands of international
force, including twenty eight thousands American solders into Somalia.
However, when tens of your solders were killed in minor battles and one
American Pilot was dragged in the streets of Mogadishu you left the
area carrying disappointment, humiliation, defeat and your dead with
you. Clinton appeared in front of the whole world threatening and
promising revenge , but these threats were merely a preparation for
withdrawal. You have been disgraced by Allah and you withdrew; the
extent of your impotence and weaknesses became very clear. It was a
pleasure for the "heart" of every Muslim and a remedy to the "chests"
of believing nations to see you defeated in the three Islamic cities of
Beirut , Aden and Mogadishu."



Your second bite of the apple has nothing to do with the fact that
Iraqis have told us they want us out of their country.


Terrorists...espouse the extreme goals of Osama Bin Laden - chaos in Iraq
which will allow them to establish a base for toppling Iraq's neighbors
and launching attacks outside the region and against the U.S. homeland.



Do you not agree with that assessment?

I can site examples from bin Laden's 1996 Fatwa once again if you'd like.



We're obviously not discussing the same issue. Iraqis have been surveyed
by several different organizations, and their opinion is, they want us
out.

Americans have been surveyed too. And almost half think we should cut and
run. That doesn't make them right.

We were the victors in Iraq, so we get set the timetable for our withdrawal.
But I can guarantee you that as long as a Bush is President, we'll always
have troops stationed in bases over there.

Bush's ability to fool people diminishes
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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John H. wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 10:23:34 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 10:04:12 -0500, John H. wrote:


VICTORY IN IRAQ DEFINED
Redefined is more like it. What ever happened to democracy breaking out
all over the middle east? Quite similar to the WMD mutating to the WMD
programs, don't you think? So John, when is this administration going
to
stop the BS, and try a little honesty?

Do you think the withdrawal of troops from Iraq should depend on
democracy
breaking out all over the middle east?


The serious withdrawal of our troops from Iraq will begin shortly after
Bush's term has ended.

Maybe Jeb's second term...but no sooner.