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Was Black Friday sales good? Or poor? It depends upon who you ask.
Look
at the following headlines:


AP: 'There was a lot of hype, but results were on lukewarm side'...
NYT: Mall Stores See Trouble in Sales Data...


Financial Times: Wall Street seen boosted by strong Black Friday...
BLOOMBERG: 'It was a very good weekend'...


Why are liberals eternal pessimists?

NYT story: Who do you suppose they interviewed about sales data? Do you
have that information? Do you think the NYT invented stories from
non-existent merchants?


The NYT chose to focus their headlines on the negative mall store data
(down
a mere 0.9% if early estimates are accurate) rather than the
exceptionally
strong data coming from the discount chains outside the mall...which saw
an
11.4% increase in spending.


Why does a 0.9% decline in sales make their headlines, but an 11.4%
increase
doesn't get mentioned until halfway down an article about "lukewarm"
sales?

Malls have become a thing of the past. (already) The new trend is
streetscape type developments with all stores having a exterior entrance
and
convenient parking



Yep. Retail, light commercial and residential all mixed into a large park.

Here is one in Westlake, Ohio within 15 minutes of us that opened just last
year:

http://www.crockerpark.com/

Here is one on the east side of Cleveland that opened a couple of years ago.

http://www.legacy-village.com

Here is one in Columbus, Ohio:

http://www.eastontowncenter.com/

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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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Was Black Friday sales good? Or poor? It depends upon who you ask.
Look
at the following headlines:


AP: 'There was a lot of hype, but results were on lukewarm side'...
NYT: Mall Stores See Trouble in Sales Data...


Financial Times: Wall Street seen boosted by strong Black Friday...
BLOOMBERG: 'It was a very good weekend'...


Why are liberals eternal pessimists?

NYT story: Who do you suppose they interviewed about sales data? Do
you
have that information? Do you think the NYT invented stories from
non-existent merchants?


The NYT chose to focus their headlines on the negative mall store data
(down
a mere 0.9% if early estimates are accurate) rather than the
exceptionally
strong data coming from the discount chains outside the mall...which
saw
an
11.4% increase in spending.


Why does a 0.9% decline in sales make their headlines, but an 11.4%
increase
doesn't get mentioned until halfway down an article about "lukewarm"
sales?

Malls have become a thing of the past. (already) The new trend is
streetscape type developments with all stores having a exterior
entrance
and
convenient parking



Yep. Retail, light commercial and residential all mixed into a large
park.

Here is one in Westlake, Ohio within 15 minutes of us that opened just
last
year:

http://www.crockerpark.com/

Here is one on the east side of Cleveland that opened a couple of years
ago.

http://www.legacy-village.com

Here is one in Columbus, Ohio:

http://www.eastontowncenter.com/

The buzzword is "lifestyle centers"

http://www.uwex.edu/ces/cced/lets/03041ltb.pdf

On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:11:20 -0500, " *JimH*" wrote:


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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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Was Black Friday sales good? Or poor? It depends upon who you ask.
Look
at the following headlines:


AP: 'There was a lot of hype, but results were on lukewarm side'...
NYT: Mall Stores See Trouble in Sales Data...


Financial Times: Wall Street seen boosted by strong Black Friday...
BLOOMBERG: 'It was a very good weekend'...


Why are liberals eternal pessimists?

NYT story: Who do you suppose they interviewed about sales data? Do you
have that information? Do you think the NYT invented stories from
non-existent merchants?


The NYT chose to focus their headlines on the negative mall store data
(down
a mere 0.9% if early estimates are accurate) rather than the
exceptionally
strong data coming from the discount chains outside the mall...which saw
an
11.4% increase in spending.


Why does a 0.9% decline in sales make their headlines, but an 11.4%
increase
doesn't get mentioned until halfway down an article about "lukewarm"
sales?

Malls have become a thing of the past. (already) The new trend is
streetscape type developments with all stores having a exterior entrance
and
convenient parking



Yep. Retail, light commercial and residential all mixed into a large park.

Here is one in Westlake, Ohio within 15 minutes of us that opened just last
year:

http://www.crockerpark.com/

Here is one on the east side of Cleveland that opened a couple of years ago.

http://www.legacy-village.com

Here is one in Columbus, Ohio:

http://www.eastontowncenter.com/


They look nice. Reston, VA, has an area much like that. But, when it rains, the
malls catch all the folks afraid to get wet.
--
John H

"It's not a *baby* kicking, beautiful bride, it's just a fetus!"
[A Self-obsessed Hypocrite]

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message news:4LGif.524

It's shameful to hear you repeating what others have told you to say. What
facts are your opinion based on?

Who? Told me to say what? Does the name Blair mean anything? And that
other guy - names eludes me - also gone from NYT over fabrication.

"John Gaquin" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
news:4LGif.524

It's shameful to hear you repeating what others have told you to say.
What facts are your opinion based on?

Who? Told me to say what? Does the name Blair mean anything? And that
other guy - names eludes me - also gone from NYT over fabrication.


My memory's fuzzy with regard to those incidents. How many occurrences were
there?

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message news:24Yif.584.


My memory's fuzzy with regard to those incidents. How many occurrences
were there?


Those and a couple of others, iirc. For a newspaper that wants to preserve
the perception that they are the paper of record for the USA, any number
greater than zero is disastrous. They also tailor their selective wording
for subtle innuendo, as does the Boston Globe (now naught more than a
suburban supplement to the Times). All through the last campaign, the
intentions were obvious. Whenever Kerry met with some group to ask for
support, column heads would be phrased as Kerry meets...., Kerry
confers....., Kerry solicits. When GB did the same thing, the wording was
more aggressive, more violent: Bush hits......, Bush targets......, Bush
chases. Its was never too hard to see what was going on.

"John Gaquin" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message news:24Yif.584.


My memory's fuzzy with regard to those incidents. How many occurrences
were there?


Those and a couple of others, iirc. For a newspaper that wants to
preserve the perception that they are the paper of record for the USA, any
number greater than zero is disastrous. They also tailor their selective
wording for subtle innuendo, as does the Boston Globe (now naught more
than a suburban supplement to the Times). All through the last campaign,
the intentions were obvious. Whenever Kerry met with some group to ask
for support, column heads would be phrased as Kerry meets...., Kerry
confers....., Kerry solicits. When GB did the same thing, the wording
was more aggressive, more violent: Bush hits......, Bush targets......,
Bush chases. Its was never too hard to see what was going on.


What did the NYT do with the reporters who faked their stories?

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message news:zz0jf.616

What did the NYT do with the reporters who faked their stories?


They have fired the ones who have been caught at it, as they had no choice.

"John Gaquin" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message news:zz0jf.616

What did the NYT do with the reporters who faked their stories?


They have fired the ones who have been caught at it, as they had no
choice.


Thanks for the information. To summarize, a few reporters did this, and they
were fired. Now, do you ever shop at Home Depot?

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"John Gaquin" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message news:zz0jf.616

What did the NYT do with the reporters who faked their stories?


They have fired the ones who have been caught at it, as they had no
choice.


Thanks for the information. To summarize, a few reporters did this, and
they were fired.

But folks like Jason Leopold continue to spread misinformation through other
sources. For instance, both jps and Harry jumped on a Leopold story about
the Plame investigation. I guess some folks never learn.

" Fool me once, shameon - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled
again. "