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The Truth About Harry
Harry, You may want to shot this to your wife. It appears NYOB is correct,
the treatment options and success rate are bleak. SHOULD WE CALL THEM HUMAN? Treatment Options Aims of Treatment should focus on aiding the narcissist to increase his empathy for others, helping him learn to accept slights and rejections from others without feeling threatened, and developing a more realistic view of his abilities. Personality disorders are a challenge to treat. This is because an individual is defined by his personality and personality is an essential part of a person's self-perception. A narcissist does not willingly seek treatment because he does not wish anyone to think that he has any weaknesses. He experiences needing help as demeaning. When a narcissistic individual does present for treatment it is usually at the insistence of a family member, upon the occurrence of a major life crisis, or issues other than personality problems. Since a narcissist does not tolerate discomfort well, he has difficulty coping with depression or anxiety (two of the issues which might precipitate his presenting for therapy of his own accord). If you want the narcissist to seek treatment then make sure he is lacking in narcissistic supply. He could go into a dysporia (depression) and perhaps seek treatment. Narcissists will present with a wide range of pathology. No matter the pathology the narcissist possesses, however, he does not see his difficulty interacting with others as part of his problem. He projects his relational problems onto others and describes others as having trouble interacting with him. Treating the narcissist is difficult because the narcissist attempts to sustain an image of perfection and indestructibility. Underneath this facade is an insecure person with low self-esteem. By presenting with this seemly secure self-image, the narcissist is protecting himself from his worse fear--that people will find out that he has imperfections and weaknesses just like everyone else. Coping skills to improve interpersonal relationships and to aid the narcissist to focus on his actual abilities (not those that he fantasizes he has) are usually dealt with in psychotherapy. Pharmacological Intervention No specific pharmacological intervention for NPD has been found. Underlying symptoms of Axis I diagnoses are usually treated with antidepressants or other drugs. Individual Therapy Long-term psychodynamic therapy has been found to be the most effective in working with this disorder. The therapist must create an accepting environment, thus allowing the patient to develop an idealizing transference toward the therapist. An active confrontation of the patient's anger, envy of others, specific need to be self-sufficient, and exploitation of other difficulties can inflict a narcissistic injury. If this occurs then the patient will in all likelihood terminate therapy. Usually most therapists treat the co-existing mental disorders and not NPD itself except in cases of crisis. A therapist should be aware that he/she must help sustain the narcissist's self-image and help the patient use their narcissistic characteristics to develop a self-image which is not based on fear. In order for therapy to be successful, a strong alliance must exist between the therapist and the patient. This can only be accomplished in long-term therapy. A general non-defensive and non-competitive atmosphere must be created in the therapy room. When working with NPD a therapist will have to deal with the unreasonable demands of the patient, their expectations, and their criticisms. NPD patients do not accept their own defects and aiding the patient in learning how to acknowledge these defects is an important part of the therapeutic intervention. However, the NPD patient will run from any situation where his self-esteem is diminished. Therefore, any confrontation by the therapist must be clear, direct, repetitive, and firm to break through the defense mechanisms used by the NPD patient. During therapy the patient will scrutinize not only the verbalizations, but also the non-verbal behaviors of the therapist searching for ways that the therapist is responding negatively to his self-aggrandizement or arrogance. He will take any such signals as rejection. Even during extended therapy only small changes should be expected in the patient's personality. The therapist should also be aware that it is impossible as therapy progresses not to disappoint these patients. Group Therapy Group therapy is rarely the primary tool for NPD. In group therapy narcissists tend to dominate the group or tire the other members. It can be valuable as an addition to individual therapy. Patients are encouraged to explore their behavior toward others and to experience empathy with other groups members. Narcissists, however, tend to see groups as competitive and feel that they are not receiving enough of the group leader's attention. This makes them think that their own need for empathy is not being met. Narcissists also do not tend to respond well to critical feedback which might come from other group members. They tend to drop out of group of the first sign of criticism. Hospitalization Patients with severe NPD are frequently hospitalized. Some are very impulsive and self-destructive and have poor reality testing. This comes about because of comorbid diagnosis on Axis I. Hospitalization should be brief and specific to the treatment of the presenting symptoms. Prognosis Treatment of the narcissist does not usually have positive results except for reducing the side effects of depression and anxiety which are treated with medication. The narcissist does not usually stay in treatment long enough for therapy to be beneficial. "Sir Rodney Smithers" Ask me about my knighthood. wrote in message news:... Harry, PS - This behavior is very characteristic of those suffering from Narcissistic Personality Disorder. While NOYB might be correct that their is no cure for NPD, you may want to ask your wife, as a social worker, she might be able to refer you to someone who can help. "Sir Rodney Smithers" Ask me about my knighthood. wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Nice try, crapbrain, but the reality is, I simply declined to supply you with information. Harry, Don't you get your panties in a wad whenever someone does provide you with personal info, such as real name, what they do for a living, where they went to school, where they live, what their marital status is etc. It is funny you bring up a topic on shotguns, then decide it isn't fair game for discussion, but you want to know personal information on everyone in rec.boats. |
The Truth About Harry
Harry, I know you've already seen this, but it's worth a double reading!
On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 07:11:16 -0500, "Sir Rodney Smithers" Ask me about my knighthood. wrote: Harry, You may want to shot this to your wife. It appears NYOB is correct, the treatment options and success rate are bleak. SHOULD WE CALL THEM HUMAN? Treatment Options Aims of Treatment should focus on aiding the narcissist to increase his empathy for others, helping him learn to accept slights and rejections from others without feeling threatened, and developing a more realistic view of his abilities. Personality disorders are a challenge to treat. This is because an individual is defined by his personality and personality is an essential part of a person's self-perception. A narcissist does not willingly seek treatment because he does not wish anyone to think that he has any weaknesses. He experiences needing help as demeaning. When a narcissistic individual does present for treatment it is usually at the insistence of a family member, upon the occurrence of a major life crisis, or issues other than personality problems. Since a narcissist does not tolerate discomfort well, he has difficulty coping with depression or anxiety (two of the issues which might precipitate his presenting for therapy of his own accord). If you want the narcissist to seek treatment then make sure he is lacking in narcissistic supply. He could go into a dysporia (depression) and perhaps seek treatment. Narcissists will present with a wide range of pathology. No matter the pathology the narcissist possesses, however, he does not see his difficulty interacting with others as part of his problem. He projects his relational problems onto others and describes others as having trouble interacting with him. Treating the narcissist is difficult because the narcissist attempts to sustain an image of perfection and indestructibility. Underneath this facade is an insecure person with low self-esteem. By presenting with this seemly secure self-image, the narcissist is protecting himself from his worse fear--that people will find out that he has imperfections and weaknesses just like everyone else. Coping skills to improve interpersonal relationships and to aid the narcissist to focus on his actual abilities (not those that he fantasizes he has) are usually dealt with in psychotherapy. Pharmacological Intervention No specific pharmacological intervention for NPD has been found. Underlying symptoms of Axis I diagnoses are usually treated with antidepressants or other drugs. Individual Therapy Long-term psychodynamic therapy has been found to be the most effective in working with this disorder. The therapist must create an accepting environment, thus allowing the patient to develop an idealizing transference toward the therapist. An active confrontation of the patient's anger, envy of others, specific need to be self-sufficient, and exploitation of other difficulties can inflict a narcissistic injury. If this occurs then the patient will in all likelihood terminate therapy. Usually most therapists treat the co-existing mental disorders and not NPD itself except in cases of crisis. A therapist should be aware that he/she must help sustain the narcissist's self-image and help the patient use their narcissistic characteristics to develop a self-image which is not based on fear. In order for therapy to be successful, a strong alliance must exist between the therapist and the patient. This can only be accomplished in long-term therapy. A general non-defensive and non-competitive atmosphere must be created in the therapy room. When working with NPD a therapist will have to deal with the unreasonable demands of the patient, their expectations, and their criticisms. NPD patients do not accept their own defects and aiding the patient in learning how to acknowledge these defects is an important part of the therapeutic intervention. However, the NPD patient will run from any situation where his self-esteem is diminished. Therefore, any confrontation by the therapist must be clear, direct, repetitive, and firm to break through the defense mechanisms used by the NPD patient. During therapy the patient will scrutinize not only the verbalizations, but also the non-verbal behaviors of the therapist searching for ways that the therapist is responding negatively to his self-aggrandizement or arrogance. He will take any such signals as rejection. Even during extended therapy only small changes should be expected in the patient's personality. The therapist should also be aware that it is impossible as therapy progresses not to disappoint these patients. Group Therapy Group therapy is rarely the primary tool for NPD. In group therapy narcissists tend to dominate the group or tire the other members. It can be valuable as an addition to individual therapy. Patients are encouraged to explore their behavior toward others and to experience empathy with other groups members. Narcissists, however, tend to see groups as competitive and feel that they are not receiving enough of the group leader's attention. This makes them think that their own need for empathy is not being met. Narcissists also do not tend to respond well to critical feedback which might come from other group members. They tend to drop out of group of the first sign of criticism. Hospitalization Patients with severe NPD are frequently hospitalized. Some are very impulsive and self-destructive and have poor reality testing. This comes about because of comorbid diagnosis on Axis I. Hospitalization should be brief and specific to the treatment of the presenting symptoms. Prognosis Treatment of the narcissist does not usually have positive results except for reducing the side effects of depression and anxiety which are treated with medication. The narcissist does not usually stay in treatment long enough for therapy to be beneficial. "Sir Rodney Smithers" Ask me about my knighthood. wrote in message news:... Harry, PS - This behavior is very characteristic of those suffering from Narcissistic Personality Disorder. While NOYB might be correct that their is no cure for NPD, you may want to ask your wife, as a social worker, she might be able to refer you to someone who can help. "Sir Rodney Smithers" Ask me about my knighthood. wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Nice try, crapbrain, but the reality is, I simply declined to supply you with information. Harry, Don't you get your panties in a wad whenever someone does provide you with personal info, such as real name, what they do for a living, where they went to school, where they live, what their marital status is etc. It is funny you bring up a topic on shotguns, then decide it isn't fair game for discussion, but you want to know personal information on everyone in rec.boats. -- John H "It's *not* a baby kicking, beautiful bride, it's only a fetus!" A Famous Hypocrite |
The Truth About Harry
On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 20:30:29 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: John H. wrote: Harry, I know you've already seen this, but it's worth a double reading! On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 07:11:16 -0500, "Sir Rodney Smithers" Ask me about my knighthood. wrote: Sorry, John, but when you start drooling Smitherscum, I usually just make the message read without reading it and move on. No comment on Ann Richards, your Democrat governor of Texas who executes the innocent, Harry? Hell, I figured you'd jump right on that! -- John H "It's *not* a baby kicking, beautiful bride, it's only a fetus!" A Famous Hypocrite |
The Truth About Harry
"John H." wrote in message ... On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 20:30:29 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: John H. wrote: Harry, I know you've already seen this, but it's worth a double reading! On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 07:11:16 -0500, "Sir Rodney Smithers" Ask me about my knighthood. wrote: Sorry, John, but when you start drooling Smitherscum, I usually just make the message read without reading it and move on. No comment on Ann Richards, your Democrat governor of Texas who executes the innocent, Harry? Hell, I figured you'd jump right on that! Just proves that Harry is nothing more than a partisan hack as well as most of the Progressives and Liberals. |
The Truth About Harry
On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 21:06:54 -0500, "Bert Robbins" wrote:
"John H." wrote in message .. . On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 20:30:29 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: John H. wrote: Harry, I know you've already seen this, but it's worth a double reading! On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 07:11:16 -0500, "Sir Rodney Smithers" Ask me about my knighthood. wrote: Sorry, John, but when you start drooling Smitherscum, I usually just make the message read without reading it and move on. No comment on Ann Richards, your Democrat governor of Texas who executes the innocent, Harry? Hell, I figured you'd jump right on that! Just proves that Harry is nothing more than a partisan hack as well as most of the Progressives and Liberals. Did you notice how quickly they tucked tails and ran from that thread? -- John H "It's *not* a baby kicking, beautiful bride, it's only a fetus!" A Famous Hypocrite |
The Truth About Harry
"John H." wrote in message ... On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 21:06:54 -0500, "Bert Robbins" wrote: "John H." wrote in message . .. On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 20:30:29 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: John H. wrote: Harry, I know you've already seen this, but it's worth a double reading! On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 07:11:16 -0500, "Sir Rodney Smithers" Ask me about my knighthood. wrote: Sorry, John, but when you start drooling Smitherscum, I usually just make the message read without reading it and move on. No comment on Ann Richards, your Democrat governor of Texas who executes the innocent, Harry? Hell, I figured you'd jump right on that! Just proves that Harry is nothing more than a partisan hack as well as most of the Progressives and Liberals. Did you notice how quickly they tucked tails and ran from that thread? Speaking of partisan hacks and "progressives", what happend to Chuckie. Did he take his keyboard and run home crying? |
The Truth About Harry
Hi,
You may find these of added interest regarding treatment and healing of narcissism: Only a qualified mental health diagnostician can determine whether someone suffers from Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) and this, following lengthy tests and personal interviews. These may be of help: http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/1.html http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/faq63.html http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/faq77.html http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/faq12.html http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/10.html http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/case03.html http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/faq31.html http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/abusefamily8.html Take care. Sam John H. wrote: Harry, I know you've already seen this, but it's worth a double reading! On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 07:11:16 -0500, "Sir Rodney Smithers" Ask me about my knighthood. wrote: Harry, You may want to shot this to your wife. It appears NYOB is correct, the treatment options and success rate are bleak. SHOULD WE CALL THEM HUMAN? Treatment Options Aims of Treatment should focus on aiding the narcissist to increase his empathy for others, helping him learn to accept slights and rejections from others without feeling threatened, and developing a more realistic view of his abilities. Personality disorders are a challenge to treat. This is because an individual is defined by his personality and personality is an essential part of a person's self-perception. A narcissist does not willingly seek treatment because he does not wish anyone to think that he has any weaknesses. He experiences needing help as demeaning. When a narcissistic individual does present for treatment it is usually at the insistence of a family member, upon the occurrence of a major life crisis, or issues other than personality problems. Since a narcissist does not tolerate discomfort well, he has difficulty coping with depression or anxiety (two of the issues which might precipitate his presenting for therapy of his own accord). If you want the narcissist to seek treatment then make sure he is lacking in narcissistic supply. He could go into a dysporia (depression) and perhaps seek treatment. Narcissists will present with a wide range of pathology. No matter the pathology the narcissist possesses, however, he does not see his difficulty interacting with others as part of his problem. He projects his relational problems onto others and describes others as having trouble interacting with him. Treating the narcissist is difficult because the narcissist attempts to sustain an image of perfection and indestructibility. Underneath this facade is an insecure person with low self-esteem. By presenting with this seemly secure self-image, the narcissist is protecting himself from his worse fear--that people will find out that he has imperfections and weaknesses just like everyone else. Coping skills to improve interpersonal relationships and to aid the narcissist to focus on his actual abilities (not those that he fantasizes he has) are usually dealt with in psychotherapy. Pharmacological Intervention No specific pharmacological intervention for NPD has been found. Underlying symptoms of Axis I diagnoses are usually treated with antidepressants or other drugs. Individual Therapy Long-term psychodynamic therapy has been found to be the most effective in working with this disorder. The therapist must create an accepting environment, thus allowing the patient to develop an idealizing transference toward the therapist. An active confrontation of the patient's anger, envy of others, specific need to be self-sufficient, and exploitation of other difficulties can inflict a narcissistic injury. If this occurs then the patient will in all likelihood terminate therapy. Usually most therapists treat the co-existing mental disorders and not NPD itself except in cases of crisis. A therapist should be aware that he/she must help sustain the narcissist's self-image and help the patient use their narcissistic characteristics to develop a self-image which is not based on fear. In order for therapy to be successful, a strong alliance must exist between the therapist and the patient. This can only be accomplished in long-term therapy. A general non-defensive and non-competitive atmosphere must be created in the therapy room. When working with NPD a therapist will have to deal with the unreasonable demands of the patient, their expectations, and their criticisms. NPD patients do not accept their own defects and aiding the patient in learning how to acknowledge these defects is an important part of the therapeutic intervention. However, the NPD patient will run from any situation where his self-esteem is diminished. Therefore, any confrontation by the therapist must be clear, direct, repetitive, and firm to break through the defense mechanisms used by the NPD patient. During therapy the patient will scrutinize not only the verbalizations, but also the non-verbal behaviors of the therapist searching for ways that the therapist is responding negatively to his self-aggrandizement or arrogance. He will take any such signals as rejection. Even during extended therapy only small changes should be expected in the patient's personality. The therapist should also be aware that it is impossible as therapy progresses not to disappoint these patients. Group Therapy Group therapy is rarely the primary tool for NPD. In group therapy narcissists tend to dominate the group or tire the other members. It can be valuable as an addition to individual therapy. Patients are encouraged to explore their behavior toward others and to experience empathy with other groups members. Narcissists, however, tend to see groups as competitive and feel that they are not receiving enough of the group leader's attention. This makes them think that their own need for empathy is not being met. Narcissists also do not tend to respond well to critical feedback which might come from other group members. They tend to drop out of group of the first sign of criticism. Hospitalization Patients with severe NPD are frequently hospitalized. Some are very impulsive and self-destructive and have poor reality testing. This comes about because of comorbid diagnosis on Axis I. Hospitalization should be brief and specific to the treatment of the presenting symptoms. Prognosis Treatment of the narcissist does not usually have positive results except for reducing the side effects of depression and anxiety which are treated with medication. The narcissist does not usually stay in treatment long enough for therapy to be beneficial. "Sir Rodney Smithers" Ask me about my knighthood. wrote in message news:... Harry, PS - This behavior is very characteristic of those suffering from Narcissistic Personality Disorder. While NOYB might be correct that their is no cure for NPD, you may want to ask your wife, as a social worker, she might be able to refer you to someone who can help. "Sir Rodney Smithers" Ask me about my knighthood. wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Nice try, crapbrain, but the reality is, I simply declined to supply you with information. Harry, Don't you get your panties in a wad whenever someone does provide you with personal info, such as real name, what they do for a living, where they went to school, where they live, what their marital status is etc. It is funny you bring up a topic on shotguns, then decide it isn't fair game for discussion, but you want to know personal information on everyone in rec.boats. -- John H "It's *not* a baby kicking, beautiful bride, it's only a fetus!" A Famous Hypocrite |
The Truth About Harry
Hi Smithers, I mean Sam.
"samvaknin" wrote in message oups.com... Hi, You may find these of added interest regarding treatment and healing of narcissism: Only a qualified mental health diagnostician can determine whether someone suffers from Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) and this, following lengthy tests and personal interviews. These may be of help: http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/1.html http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/faq63.html http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/faq77.html http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/faq12.html http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/10.html http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/case03.html http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/faq31.html http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/abusefamily8.html Take care. Sam John H. wrote: Harry, I know you've already seen this, but it's worth a double reading! On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 07:11:16 -0500, "Sir Rodney Smithers" Ask me about my knighthood. wrote: Harry, You may want to shot this to your wife. It appears NYOB is correct, the treatment options and success rate are bleak. SHOULD WE CALL THEM HUMAN? Treatment Options Aims of Treatment should focus on aiding the narcissist to increase his empathy for others, helping him learn to accept slights and rejections from others without feeling threatened, and developing a more realistic view of his abilities. Personality disorders are a challenge to treat. This is because an individual is defined by his personality and personality is an essential part of a person's self-perception. A narcissist does not willingly seek treatment because he does not wish anyone to think that he has any weaknesses. He experiences needing help as demeaning. When a narcissistic individual does present for treatment it is usually at the insistence of a family member, upon the occurrence of a major life crisis, or issues other than personality problems. Since a narcissist does not tolerate discomfort well, he has difficulty coping with depression or anxiety (two of the issues which might precipitate his presenting for therapy of his own accord). If you want the narcissist to seek treatment then make sure he is lacking in narcissistic supply. He could go into a dysporia (depression) and perhaps seek treatment. Narcissists will present with a wide range of pathology. No matter the pathology the narcissist possesses, however, he does not see his difficulty interacting with others as part of his problem. He projects his relational problems onto others and describes others as having trouble interacting with him. Treating the narcissist is difficult because the narcissist attempts to sustain an image of perfection and indestructibility. Underneath this facade is an insecure person with low self-esteem. By presenting with this seemly secure self-image, the narcissist is protecting himself from his worse fear--that people will find out that he has imperfections and weaknesses just like everyone else. Coping skills to improve interpersonal relationships and to aid the narcissist to focus on his actual abilities (not those that he fantasizes he has) are usually dealt with in psychotherapy. Pharmacological Intervention No specific pharmacological intervention for NPD has been found. Underlying symptoms of Axis I diagnoses are usually treated with antidepressants or other drugs. Individual Therapy Long-term psychodynamic therapy has been found to be the most effective in working with this disorder. The therapist must create an accepting environment, thus allowing the patient to develop an idealizing transference toward the therapist. An active confrontation of the patient's anger, envy of others, specific need to be self-sufficient, and exploitation of other difficulties can inflict a narcissistic injury. If this occurs then the patient will in all likelihood terminate therapy. Usually most therapists treat the co-existing mental disorders and not NPD itself except in cases of crisis. A therapist should be aware that he/she must help sustain the narcissist's self-image and help the patient use their narcissistic characteristics to develop a self-image which is not based on fear. In order for therapy to be successful, a strong alliance must exist between the therapist and the patient. This can only be accomplished in long-term therapy. A general non-defensive and non-competitive atmosphere must be created in the therapy room. When working with NPD a therapist will have to deal with the unreasonable demands of the patient, their expectations, and their criticisms. NPD patients do not accept their own defects and aiding the patient in learning how to acknowledge these defects is an important part of the therapeutic intervention. However, the NPD patient will run from any situation where his self-esteem is diminished. Therefore, any confrontation by the therapist must be clear, direct, repetitive, and firm to break through the defense mechanisms used by the NPD patient. During therapy the patient will scrutinize not only the verbalizations, but also the non-verbal behaviors of the therapist searching for ways that the therapist is responding negatively to his self-aggrandizement or arrogance. He will take any such signals as rejection. Even during extended therapy only small changes should be expected in the patient's personality. The therapist should also be aware that it is impossible as therapy progresses not to disappoint these patients. Group Therapy Group therapy is rarely the primary tool for NPD. In group therapy narcissists tend to dominate the group or tire the other members. It can be valuable as an addition to individual therapy. Patients are encouraged to explore their behavior toward others and to experience empathy with other groups members. Narcissists, however, tend to see groups as competitive and feel that they are not receiving enough of the group leader's attention. This makes them think that their own need for empathy is not being met. Narcissists also do not tend to respond well to critical feedback which might come from other group members. They tend to drop out of group of the first sign of criticism. Hospitalization Patients with severe NPD are frequently hospitalized. Some are very impulsive and self-destructive and have poor reality testing. This comes about because of comorbid diagnosis on Axis I. Hospitalization should be brief and specific to the treatment of the presenting symptoms. Prognosis Treatment of the narcissist does not usually have positive results except for reducing the side effects of depression and anxiety which are treated with medication. The narcissist does not usually stay in treatment long enough for therapy to be beneficial. "Sir Rodney Smithers" Ask me about my knighthood. wrote in message news:... Harry, PS - This behavior is very characteristic of those suffering from Narcissistic Personality Disorder. While NOYB might be correct that their is no cure for NPD, you may want to ask your wife, as a social worker, she might be able to refer you to someone who can help. "Sir Rodney Smithers" Ask me about my knighthood. wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Nice try, crapbrain, but the reality is, I simply declined to supply you with information. Harry, Don't you get your panties in a wad whenever someone does provide you with personal info, such as real name, what they do for a living, where they went to school, where they live, what their marital status is etc. It is funny you bring up a topic on shotguns, then decide it isn't fair game for discussion, but you want to know personal information on everyone in rec.boats. -- John H "It's *not* a baby kicking, beautiful bride, it's only a fetus!" A Famous Hypocrite |
The Truth About (those obsessed with) Harry
Harry Krause wrote:
These are card-carrying members of the "Obsessed with Harry Club." If you think not, count up the number of posts each day in which I am the object of their attention. Too bad you couldn't charge admission to that club. The dues would make a nice downpayment when you're ready to trade boats. |
The Truth About (those obsessed with) Harry
Harry,
My posts to you, are about 20% of your posts to Skipper. If I am obsessed with Harry, you are in love with Skipper. "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... samvaknin wrote: Hi, You may find these of added interest regarding treatment and healing of narcissism: John H. wrote: ,"Sir Rodney Smithers" These are card-carrying members of the "Obsessed with Harry Club." If you think not, count up the number of posts each day in which I am the object of their attention. |
The Truth About Harry
JimH,
I only wish that was me, they were some great links. ; ) What city does is his IP originate. If you remember that is they way I could tell you were not Skipper. " *JimH*" wrote in message . .. Hi Smithers, I mean Sam. "samvaknin" wrote in message oups.com... Hi, You may find these of added interest regarding treatment and healing of narcissism: Only a qualified mental health diagnostician can determine whether someone suffers from Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) and this, following lengthy tests and personal interviews. These may be of help: http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/1.html http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/faq63.html http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/faq77.html http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/faq12.html http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/10.html http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/case03.html http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/faq31.html http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/abusefamily8.html Take care. Sam John H. wrote: Harry, I know you've already seen this, but it's worth a double reading! On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 07:11:16 -0500, "Sir Rodney Smithers" Ask me about my knighthood. wrote: Harry, You may want to shot this to your wife. It appears NYOB is correct, the treatment options and success rate are bleak. SHOULD WE CALL THEM HUMAN? Treatment Options Aims of Treatment should focus on aiding the narcissist to increase his empathy for others, helping him learn to accept slights and rejections from others without feeling threatened, and developing a more realistic view of his abilities. Personality disorders are a challenge to treat. This is because an individual is defined by his personality and personality is an essential part of a person's self-perception. A narcissist does not willingly seek treatment because he does not wish anyone to think that he has any weaknesses. He experiences needing help as demeaning. When a narcissistic individual does present for treatment it is usually at the insistence of a family member, upon the occurrence of a major life crisis, or issues other than personality problems. Since a narcissist does not tolerate discomfort well, he has difficulty coping with depression or anxiety (two of the issues which might precipitate his presenting for therapy of his own accord). If you want the narcissist to seek treatment then make sure he is lacking in narcissistic supply. He could go into a dysporia (depression) and perhaps seek treatment. Narcissists will present with a wide range of pathology. No matter the pathology the narcissist possesses, however, he does not see his difficulty interacting with others as part of his problem. He projects his relational problems onto others and describes others as having trouble interacting with him. Treating the narcissist is difficult because the narcissist attempts to sustain an image of perfection and indestructibility. Underneath this facade is an insecure person with low self-esteem. By presenting with this seemly secure self-image, the narcissist is protecting himself from his worse fear--that people will find out that he has imperfections and weaknesses just like everyone else. Coping skills to improve interpersonal relationships and to aid the narcissist to focus on his actual abilities (not those that he fantasizes he has) are usually dealt with in psychotherapy. Pharmacological Intervention No specific pharmacological intervention for NPD has been found. Underlying symptoms of Axis I diagnoses are usually treated with antidepressants or other drugs. Individual Therapy Long-term psychodynamic therapy has been found to be the most effective in working with this disorder. The therapist must create an accepting environment, thus allowing the patient to develop an idealizing transference toward the therapist. An active confrontation of the patient's anger, envy of others, specific need to be self-sufficient, and exploitation of other difficulties can inflict a narcissistic injury. If this occurs then the patient will in all likelihood terminate therapy. Usually most therapists treat the co-existing mental disorders and not NPD itself except in cases of crisis. A therapist should be aware that he/she must help sustain the narcissist's self-image and help the patient use their narcissistic characteristics to develop a self-image which is not based on fear. In order for therapy to be successful, a strong alliance must exist between the therapist and the patient. This can only be accomplished in long-term therapy. A general non-defensive and non-competitive atmosphere must be created in the therapy room. When working with NPD a therapist will have to deal with the unreasonable demands of the patient, their expectations, and their criticisms. NPD patients do not accept their own defects and aiding the patient in learning how to acknowledge these defects is an important part of the therapeutic intervention. However, the NPD patient will run from any situation where his self-esteem is diminished. Therefore, any confrontation by the therapist must be clear, direct, repetitive, and firm to break through the defense mechanisms used by the NPD patient. During therapy the patient will scrutinize not only the verbalizations, but also the non-verbal behaviors of the therapist searching for ways that the therapist is responding negatively to his self-aggrandizement or arrogance. He will take any such signals as rejection. Even during extended therapy only small changes should be expected in the patient's personality. The therapist should also be aware that it is impossible as therapy progresses not to disappoint these patients. Group Therapy Group therapy is rarely the primary tool for NPD. In group therapy narcissists tend to dominate the group or tire the other members. It can be valuable as an addition to individual therapy. Patients are encouraged to explore their behavior toward others and to experience empathy with other groups members. Narcissists, however, tend to see groups as competitive and feel that they are not receiving enough of the group leader's attention. This makes them think that their own need for empathy is not being met. Narcissists also do not tend to respond well to critical feedback which might come from other group members. They tend to drop out of group of the first sign of criticism. Hospitalization Patients with severe NPD are frequently hospitalized. Some are very impulsive and self-destructive and have poor reality testing. This comes about because of comorbid diagnosis on Axis I. Hospitalization should be brief and specific to the treatment of the presenting symptoms. Prognosis Treatment of the narcissist does not usually have positive results except for reducing the side effects of depression and anxiety which are treated with medication. The narcissist does not usually stay in treatment long enough for therapy to be beneficial. "Sir Rodney Smithers" Ask me about my knighthood. wrote in message news:... Harry, PS - This behavior is very characteristic of those suffering from Narcissistic Personality Disorder. While NOYB might be correct that their is no cure for NPD, you may want to ask your wife, as a social worker, she might be able to refer you to someone who can help. "Sir Rodney Smithers" Ask me about my knighthood. wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Nice try, crapbrain, but the reality is, I simply declined to supply you with information. Harry, Don't you get your panties in a wad whenever someone does provide you with personal info, such as real name, what they do for a living, where they went to school, where they live, what their marital status is etc. It is funny you bring up a topic on shotguns, then decide it isn't fair game for discussion, but you want to know personal information on everyone in rec.boats. -- John H "It's *not* a baby kicking, beautiful bride, it's only a fetus!" A Famous Hypocrite |
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Bert Robbins wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 21:06:54 -0500, "Bert Robbins" wrote: "John H." wrote in message . .. On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 20:30:29 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: John H. wrote: Harry, I know you've already seen this, but it's worth a double reading! On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 07:11:16 -0500, "Sir Rodney Smithers" Ask me about my knighthood. wrote: Sorry, John, but when you start drooling Smitherscum, I usually just make the message read without reading it and move on. No comment on Ann Richards, your Democrat governor of Texas who executes the innocent, Harry? Hell, I figured you'd jump right on that! Just proves that Harry is nothing more than a partisan hack as well as most of the Progressives and Liberals. Did you notice how quickly they tucked tails and ran from that thread? Speaking of partisan hacks and "progressives", what happend to Chuckie. Did he take his keyboard and run home crying? No, unlike you I have a life away from the computer. I've been in Argentina, where, (unlike you), I even went boating. Thanks for thinking of me while ****ing, moaning, OT trolling and flaming. Shows you for who and what you are. Pretty tough to justify your load of crap with "retaliation", isn't it? :-) |
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wrote in message oups.com... Bert Robbins wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 21:06:54 -0500, "Bert Robbins" wrote: "John H." wrote in message . .. On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 20:30:29 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: John H. wrote: Harry, I know you've already seen this, but it's worth a double reading! On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 07:11:16 -0500, "Sir Rodney Smithers" Ask me about my knighthood. wrote: Sorry, John, but when you start drooling Smitherscum, I usually just make the message read without reading it and move on. No comment on Ann Richards, your Democrat governor of Texas who executes the innocent, Harry? Hell, I figured you'd jump right on that! Just proves that Harry is nothing more than a partisan hack as well as most of the Progressives and Liberals. Did you notice how quickly they tucked tails and ran from that thread? Speaking of partisan hacks and "progressives", what happend to Chuckie. Did he take his keyboard and run home crying? No, unlike you I have a life away from the computer. I've been in Argentina, where, (unlike you), I even went boating. Thanks for thinking of me while ****ing, moaning, OT trolling and flaming. Shows you for who and what you are. Pretty tough to justify your load of crap with "retaliation", isn't it? :-) Chuck, Glad you are back safely. You buddy Harry has been having a rough time this weekend and could use some consoling. |
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Glad you had a nice trip. Was this a business trip or a vacation, or the best kind a business trip where the company paid for expenses and you spent all your time on vacation. ; ) wrote in message oups.com... Bert Robbins wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 21:06:54 -0500, "Bert Robbins" wrote: "John H." wrote in message . .. On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 20:30:29 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: John H. wrote: Harry, I know you've already seen this, but it's worth a double reading! On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 07:11:16 -0500, "Sir Rodney Smithers" Ask me about my knighthood. wrote: Sorry, John, but when you start drooling Smitherscum, I usually just make the message read without reading it and move on. No comment on Ann Richards, your Democrat governor of Texas who executes the innocent, Harry? Hell, I figured you'd jump right on that! Just proves that Harry is nothing more than a partisan hack as well as most of the Progressives and Liberals. Did you notice how quickly they tucked tails and ran from that thread? Speaking of partisan hacks and "progressives", what happend to Chuckie. Did he take his keyboard and run home crying? No, unlike you I have a life away from the computer. I've been in Argentina, where, (unlike you), I even went boating. Thanks for thinking of me while ****ing, moaning, OT trolling and flaming. Shows you for who and what you are. Pretty tough to justify your load of crap with "retaliation", isn't it? :-) |
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Bert Robbins wrote:
Chuck, Glad you are back safely. You buddy Harry has been having a rough time this weekend and could use some consoling. Oh my! Bert sure turned his tail under now that Chuck's back. That was funny. |
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Sir Rodney Smithers wrote: Chuck, Glad you had a nice trip. Was this a business trip or a vacation, or the best kind a business trip where the company paid for expenses and you spent all your time on vacation. ; ) The Mrs. and I celebrated our 35th wedding anniversary in Buenos Aires. Pleasure trip. Great place to go in the winter. The weather down there right now is about like Los Angeles in late May. Everything is in bloom, shirtsleeve weather every day. It's ridiculously cheap. Most things are priced (in pesos) at a number that would make sense espressed in dollars, or less! Example: Dinner in a very nice restarurant with appetizers, 4 glasses of wine, duck a l'orange, 3-inch thick filet mignon, and two deserts. 100 (pesos) including a generous tip. Cost in dollars? Just over 30 bucks. Took the Tren de la Costa up to Tigre' one day and enjoyed a nice boatride on what just might be the most polluted river in the western hemisphere. A non-stop parade of garbage floating by. Wow. Not prepared for that. Smelled awful, as well. There's a mjor amusement park built on the shore of the river- and while we didn't bother venturing in it seemed like an odd place to go for recreation. Since this is a short summary to rec.boats, I can't avoid mentioning politics. :-) Argentina has had a lot of political turmoil over the years. The last time somebody attempted a coup, they apparently decided to use the subway to attack the Casa Rosada (Argentine "pink house", head of the executive branch of govt. This is the building where Evita Peron used to stand on a balcony and address the crowds in the Plaza de Mayo). Across the street from Cassa Rosada is the Minstry of Economics, with a marble facade just behind the exit from the subway. It's riddled with pockmarks from machine gun fire. I guess the govt decided not to repair the marble as a "reminder" to the next batch of rebels that sneaking up on the Casa Rosada through the subway ain't exactly a bright idea. It's a place where abject poverty and incredible privilege are elbow to elbow at all times. We befriended the owner of a business who moved to Argentina from Los Angeles a few years ago. One of his associates (who spends several months a year in Miami- where he owns an art gallery), has a penthouse with, supposedly, over $5mm US in furnishings and art. Down on the street below, and on every street in Buenos Aires, the major source of income for a lot of people is sorting garbage. The shops and apartments pile all of their garbage along the curb every night for an early morning pickup. The people descend on the garbage like an army of ants, sorting out glass, cardboard, aluminum, or anything else that can be recylced. They pile bicycles, carts, wheelbarrows, and enything else that will roll to incredible heights with bundled up recyclables. Young kids 5, 6, and 7 years old are scrounging through the garbage along with their older sibliings and parents. I know that more than a few are actullay hoping to find something to eat, as one little kid came across a sack of half-eaten rolls from a restaurant and you would have thought he'd found a rond trip ticket to Disneyland. On one of our cross town train trips, (cost under a peso for a 40-minute ride), we noted a group of "huts" in a depression next to the track. Cardboard, sheet metal, scrap wood, canvas, you name it- any sort of junk material imaginable had been employed in creating these rude shelters. These weren't temporary "homeless" camps, there was laundry hanging on lines, little kids playing in the dirt, etc. After a few hundred yards of "huts", we came to a fence running perpendicular to the track. On the opposite side of the fence were some tennis courts, and what appeared to be a very exclusive tennis club. Waiters standing around serving drinks, etc, to tennis players in crisp, white shorts and tennis shirts. The whole place underscores the importance of sustaining a viable middle class and illustrates what can happen when any group is allowed to prosper at the complete expense and without regard to its fellow citizens. Argentina is rich in natural resources and if it ever gets past all of its political and economic problems it could become a very powerful country in the future. Tax deductible? I do hope to write the entire thing off as journalistic research. I needed to confirm which direction the water circles around a bathtub drain in the southern hemisphere. (Clockwise, at least at the Kempinski Park Chateau in Buenos Aires). :-) |
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wrote in message oups.com... The whole place underscores the importance of sustaining a viable middle class and illustrates what can happen when any group is allowed to prosper at the complete expense and without regard to its fellow citizens. Tax deductible? I do hope to write the entire thing off as journalistic research. So by stiffing the government out of taxes, are you prospering at the expense and without regard to your fellow citizens? |
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NOYB wrote: wrote in message oups.com... The whole place underscores the importance of sustaining a viable middle class and illustrates what can happen when any group is allowed to prosper at the complete expense and without regard to its fellow citizens. Tax deductible? I do hope to write the entire thing off as journalistic research. So by stiffing the government out of taxes, are you prospering at the expense and without regard to your fellow citizens? That bulge in the side of my face isn't an absessed tooth, Doc. It's my tongue in my cheek. Lighten up, already. :-) |
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wrote in message oups.com... Sir Rodney Smithers wrote: Chuck, Glad you had a nice trip. Was this a business trip or a vacation, or the best kind a business trip where the company paid for expenses and you spent all your time on vacation. ; ) The Mrs. and I celebrated our 35th wedding anniversary in Buenos Aires. Pleasure trip. Great place to go in the winter. The weather down there right now is about like Los Angeles in late May. Everything is in bloom, shirtsleeve weather every day. It's ridiculously cheap. Most things are priced (in pesos) at a number that would make sense espressed in dollars, or less! Example: Dinner in a very nice restarurant with appetizers, 4 glasses of wine, duck a l'orange, 3-inch thick filet mignon, and two deserts. 100 (pesos) including a generous tip. Cost in dollars? Just over 30 bucks. Took the Tren de la Costa up to Tigre' one day and enjoyed a nice boatride on what just might be the most polluted river in the western hemisphere. A non-stop parade of garbage floating by. Wow. Not prepared for that. Smelled awful, as well. There's a mjor amusement park built on the shore of the river- and while we didn't bother venturing in it seemed like an odd place to go for recreation. Since this is a short summary to rec.boats, I can't avoid mentioning politics. :-) Argentina has had a lot of political turmoil over the years. The last time somebody attempted a coup, they apparently decided to use the subway to attack the Casa Rosada (Argentine "pink house", head of the executive branch of govt. This is the building where Evita Peron used to stand on a balcony and address the crowds in the Plaza de Mayo). Across the street from Cassa Rosada is the Minstry of Economics, with a marble facade just behind the exit from the subway. It's riddled with pockmarks from machine gun fire. I guess the govt decided not to repair the marble as a "reminder" to the next batch of rebels that sneaking up on the Casa Rosada through the subway ain't exactly a bright idea. It's a place where abject poverty and incredible privilege are elbow to elbow at all times. We befriended the owner of a business who moved to Argentina from Los Angeles a few years ago. One of his associates (who spends several months a year in Miami- where he owns an art gallery), has a penthouse with, supposedly, over $5mm US in furnishings and art. Down on the street below, and on every street in Buenos Aires, the major source of income for a lot of people is sorting garbage. The shops and apartments pile all of their garbage along the curb every night for an early morning pickup. The people descend on the garbage like an army of ants, sorting out glass, cardboard, aluminum, or anything else that can be recylced. They pile bicycles, carts, wheelbarrows, and enything else that will roll to incredible heights with bundled up recyclables. Young kids 5, 6, and 7 years old are scrounging through the garbage along with their older sibliings and parents. I know that more than a few are actullay hoping to find something to eat, as one little kid came across a sack of half-eaten rolls from a restaurant and you would have thought he'd found a rond trip ticket to Disneyland. On one of our cross town train trips, (cost under a peso for a 40-minute ride), we noted a group of "huts" in a depression next to the track. Cardboard, sheet metal, scrap wood, canvas, you name it- any sort of junk material imaginable had been employed in creating these rude shelters. These weren't temporary "homeless" camps, there was laundry hanging on lines, little kids playing in the dirt, etc. After a few hundred yards of "huts", we came to a fence running perpendicular to the track. On the opposite side of the fence were some tennis courts, and what appeared to be a very exclusive tennis club. Waiters standing around serving drinks, etc, to tennis players in crisp, white shorts and tennis shirts. The whole place underscores the importance of sustaining a viable middle class and illustrates what can happen when any group is allowed to prosper at the complete expense and without regard to its fellow citizens. Argentina is rich in natural resources and if it ever gets past all of its political and economic problems it could become a very powerful country in the future. Tax deductible? I do hope to write the entire thing off as journalistic research. I needed to confirm which direction the water circles around a bathtub drain in the southern hemisphere. (Clockwise, at least at the Kempinski Park Chateau in Buenos Aires). :-) Welcome back. Glad to hear you had a great time with your wife. Congratulations also on 35 years. Quite and accomplishment Chuck. |
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" *JimH*" wrote in message . .. wrote in message oups.com... Sir Rodney Smithers wrote: Chuck, Glad you had a nice trip. Was this a business trip or a vacation, or the best kind a business trip where the company paid for expenses and you spent all your time on vacation. ; ) The Mrs. and I celebrated our 35th wedding anniversary in Buenos Aires. Pleasure trip. Great place to go in the winter. The weather down there right now is about like Los Angeles in late May. Everything is in bloom, shirtsleeve weather every day. It's ridiculously cheap. Most things are priced (in pesos) at a number that would make sense espressed in dollars, or less! Example: Dinner in a very nice restarurant with appetizers, 4 glasses of wine, duck a l'orange, 3-inch thick filet mignon, and two deserts. 100 (pesos) including a generous tip. Cost in dollars? Just over 30 bucks. Took the Tren de la Costa up to Tigre' one day and enjoyed a nice boatride on what just might be the most polluted river in the western hemisphere. A non-stop parade of garbage floating by. Wow. Not prepared for that. Smelled awful, as well. There's a mjor amusement park built on the shore of the river- and while we didn't bother venturing in it seemed like an odd place to go for recreation. Since this is a short summary to rec.boats, I can't avoid mentioning politics. :-) Argentina has had a lot of political turmoil over the years. The last time somebody attempted a coup, they apparently decided to use the subway to attack the Casa Rosada (Argentine "pink house", head of the executive branch of govt. This is the building where Evita Peron used to stand on a balcony and address the crowds in the Plaza de Mayo). Across the street from Cassa Rosada is the Minstry of Economics, with a marble facade just behind the exit from the subway. It's riddled with pockmarks from machine gun fire. I guess the govt decided not to repair the marble as a "reminder" to the next batch of rebels that sneaking up on the Casa Rosada through the subway ain't exactly a bright idea. It's a place where abject poverty and incredible privilege are elbow to elbow at all times. We befriended the owner of a business who moved to Argentina from Los Angeles a few years ago. One of his associates (who spends several months a year in Miami- where he owns an art gallery), has a penthouse with, supposedly, over $5mm US in furnishings and art. Down on the street below, and on every street in Buenos Aires, the major source of income for a lot of people is sorting garbage. The shops and apartments pile all of their garbage along the curb every night for an early morning pickup. The people descend on the garbage like an army of ants, sorting out glass, cardboard, aluminum, or anything else that can be recylced. They pile bicycles, carts, wheelbarrows, and enything else that will roll to incredible heights with bundled up recyclables. Young kids 5, 6, and 7 years old are scrounging through the garbage along with their older sibliings and parents. I know that more than a few are actullay hoping to find something to eat, as one little kid came across a sack of half-eaten rolls from a restaurant and you would have thought he'd found a rond trip ticket to Disneyland. On one of our cross town train trips, (cost under a peso for a 40-minute ride), we noted a group of "huts" in a depression next to the track. Cardboard, sheet metal, scrap wood, canvas, you name it- any sort of junk material imaginable had been employed in creating these rude shelters. These weren't temporary "homeless" camps, there was laundry hanging on lines, little kids playing in the dirt, etc. After a few hundred yards of "huts", we came to a fence running perpendicular to the track. On the opposite side of the fence were some tennis courts, and what appeared to be a very exclusive tennis club. Waiters standing around serving drinks, etc, to tennis players in crisp, white shorts and tennis shirts. The whole place underscores the importance of sustaining a viable middle class and illustrates what can happen when any group is allowed to prosper at the complete expense and without regard to its fellow citizens. Argentina is rich in natural resources and if it ever gets past all of its political and economic problems it could become a very powerful country in the future. Tax deductible? I do hope to write the entire thing off as journalistic research. I needed to confirm which direction the water circles around a bathtub drain in the southern hemisphere. (Clockwise, at least at the Kempinski Park Chateau in Buenos Aires). :-) Welcome back. Glad to hear you had a great time with your wife. Congratulations also on 35 years. Quite and accomplishment Chuck. Argentina sounds a lot like what I saw in Peru. |
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wrote in message oups.com... NOYB wrote: wrote in message oups.com... The whole place underscores the importance of sustaining a viable middle class and illustrates what can happen when any group is allowed to prosper at the complete expense and without regard to its fellow citizens. Tax deductible? I do hope to write the entire thing off as journalistic research. So by stiffing the government out of taxes, are you prospering at the expense and without regard to your fellow citizens? That bulge in the side of my face isn't an absessed tooth, Doc. It's my tongue in my cheek. Lighten up, already. :-) ;-) |
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NOYB,
You are just upset because you would have to fill some cavities to write off your trip, but it still might be a good deal. "NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... wrote in message oups.com... The whole place underscores the importance of sustaining a viable middle class and illustrates what can happen when any group is allowed to prosper at the complete expense and without regard to its fellow citizens. Tax deductible? I do hope to write the entire thing off as journalistic research. So by stiffing the government out of taxes, are you prospering at the expense and without regard to your fellow citizens? |
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"Sir Rodney Smithers" Ask me about my knighthood. wrote in message ... NOYB, You are just upset because you would have to fill some cavities to write off your trip, but it still might be a good deal. There are all sorts of "grey area" methods to save taxes. Writing off non-business related trips as a business expense is not my way to save taxes. As a corporation, I could make my wife an officer, and then write-off *any* trip that I take by simply keeping a journal of daily "business meetings". But I consider that unethical...and would never do it. |
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On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:39:36 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:
-- Don't pray in my public schools, and I won't think in your church. ...or anywhere else, for that matter. -- John H "It's not a *baby* kicking, beautiful bride, it's just a fetus!" [A Self-obsessed Hypocrite] |
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"NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... "Sir Rodney Smithers" Ask me about my knighthood. wrote in message ... NOYB, You are just upset because you would have to fill some cavities to write off your trip, but it still might be a good deal. There are all sorts of "grey area" methods to save taxes. Writing off non-business related trips as a business expense is not my way to save taxes. As a corporation, I could make my wife an officer, and then write-off *any* trip that I take by simply keeping a journal of daily "business meetings". But I consider that unethical...and would never do it. But there are always those educational seminars held in luxury vacations spots. The medical doctors seem to really be hooked on those. |
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That is common with most businesses.
"P Fritz" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... "Sir Rodney Smithers" Ask me about my knighthood. wrote in message ... NOYB, You are just upset because you would have to fill some cavities to write off your trip, but it still might be a good deal. There are all sorts of "grey area" methods to save taxes. Writing off non-business related trips as a business expense is not my way to save taxes. As a corporation, I could make my wife an officer, and then write-off *any* trip that I take by simply keeping a journal of daily "business meetings". But I consider that unethical...and would never do it. But there are always those educational seminars held in luxury vacations spots. The medical doctors seem to really be hooked on those. |
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"P Fritz" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... "Sir Rodney Smithers" Ask me about my knighthood. wrote in message ... NOYB, You are just upset because you would have to fill some cavities to write off your trip, but it still might be a good deal. There are all sorts of "grey area" methods to save taxes. Writing off non-business related trips as a business expense is not my way to save taxes. As a corporation, I could make my wife an officer, and then write-off *any* trip that I take by simply keeping a journal of daily "business meetings". But I consider that unethical...and would never do it. But there are always those educational seminars held in luxury vacations spots. The medical doctors seem to really be hooked on those. The only one I take advantage of is the annual Florida Dental Association meeting in Orlando. But I must get an advertisement for a new one in some exotic locale almost every day in the mail. I *will* be attending the ADA meeting in Hawaii in 2009 though. ;-) |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "P Fritz" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... "Sir Rodney Smithers" Ask me about my knighthood. wrote in message ... NOYB, You are just upset because you would have to fill some cavities to write off your trip, but it still might be a good deal. There are all sorts of "grey area" methods to save taxes. Writing off non-business related trips as a business expense is not my way to save taxes. As a corporation, I could make my wife an officer, and then write-off *any* trip that I take by simply keeping a journal of daily "business meetings". But I consider that unethical...and would never do it. But there are always those educational seminars held in luxury vacations spots. The medical doctors seem to really be hooked on those. The only one I take advantage of is the annual Florida Dental Association meeting in Orlando. But I must get an advertisement for a new one in some exotic locale almost every day in the mail. I *will* be attending the ADA meeting in Hawaii in 2009 though. ;-) I get clients to pay for many of my trips. They usually want some sort of presentation from me at their meetings. Since I am on a retainer fee, they don't have to pay more for me to be there, so they're glad to pick up my airfare, hotel, meals, et cetera. I was invited to a meeting next month in Seattle, but I talked the client into putting me off until Spring. I do hope the sun shines a little in Seattle in the Spring. Do you claim the trip as income? |
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"NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "P Fritz" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... "Sir Rodney Smithers" Ask me about my knighthood. wrote in message ... NOYB, You are just upset because you would have to fill some cavities to write off your trip, but it still might be a good deal. There are all sorts of "grey area" methods to save taxes. Writing off non-business related trips as a business expense is not my way to save taxes. As a corporation, I could make my wife an officer, and then write-off *any* trip that I take by simply keeping a journal of daily "business meetings". But I consider that unethical...and would never do it. But there are always those educational seminars held in luxury vacations spots. The medical doctors seem to really be hooked on those. The only one I take advantage of is the annual Florida Dental Association meeting in Orlando. But I must get an advertisement for a new one in some exotic locale almost every day in the mail. I *will* be attending the ADA meeting in Hawaii in 2009 though. ;-) I get clients to pay for many of my trips. They usually want some sort of presentation from me at their meetings. Since I am on a retainer fee, they don't have to pay more for me to be there, so they're glad to pick up my airfare, hotel, meals, et cetera. I was invited to a meeting next month in Seattle, but I talked the client into putting me off until Spring. I do hope the sun shines a little in Seattle in the Spring. Do you claim the trip as income? "Narcissists are grandiose. They live in an artificial self invented from fantasies of absolute or perfect power, genius, beauty, etc. Normal people's fantasies of themselves, their wishful thinking, take the form of stories -- these stories often come from movies or TV, or from things they've read or that were read to them as children. They involve a plot, heroic activity or great accomplishments or adventu normal people see themselves in action, however preposterous or even impossible that action may be -- they see themselves doing things that earn them honor, glory, love, riches, fame, and they see these fantasy selves as personal potentials, however tenuous" "Narcissists' fantasies are tableaux or scenes, stage sets; narcissists are hung up on a particular picture that they think reflects their true selves (as opposed to the real self -- warts and all). Narcissists don't see themselves doing anything except being adored, and they don't see anyone else doing anything except adoring them. Moreover, they don't see these images as potentials that they may some day be able to live out, if they get lucky or everything goes right: they see these pictures as the real way they want to be seen right now (which is not the same as saying they think these pictures are the way they really are right now, but that is another story to be discussed elsewhere). Sometimes narcissistic fantasies are spectacularly grandiose -- imagining themselves as Jesus or a saint or hero or deity depicted in art -- but just as often the fantasies of narcissists are mediocre and vulgar, concocted from illustrations in popular magazines, sensational novels, comic books even. These artificial self fantasies are also static in time, going back unchanged to early adolescence or even to childhood; the narcissists' self-images don't change with time, so that you will find, for instance, female narcissists clinging to retro styles, still living the picture of the perfect woman of 1945 or 1965 as depicted in The Ladies' Home Journal or Seventeen or Vogue of that era, and male narcissists still hung up on images of comic-book or ripping adventure heroes from their youth. Though narcissists like pictures rather than stories, they like still pictures, not moving ones, so they don't base their fantasies on movies or TV." "Narcissists have strange work habits. Normal people work for a goal or a product, even if the goal is only a paycheck. Normal people measure things by how much they have to spend (in time, work, energy) to get the desired results. Normal people desire idleness from time to time, usually wanting as much free time as they can get to pursue their own thoughts and pleasures and interests. Narcissists work for a goal, too, but it's a different goal: they want power, authority, adulation. Lacking empathy, and lacking also context and affect, narcissists don't understand how people achieve glory and high standing; they think it's all arbitrary, it's all appearances, it's all who you know. So they try to attach themselves to people who already have what they want, meanwhile making a great show of working hard." |
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"Don White" wrote in message ... Bert Robbins wrote: Chuck, Glad you are back safely. You buddy Harry has been having a rough time this weekend and could use some consoling. Oh my! Bert sure turned his tail under now that Chuck's back. That was funny. Don, does you throat hurt? |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Don White wrote: Bert Robbins wrote: Chuck, Glad you are back safely. You buddy Harry has been having a rough time this weekend and could use some consoling. Oh my! Bert sure turned his tail under now that Chuck's back. That was funny. The funniest thing about Bert is that he believes he is anything more than a nitwit. He and the rest of the right-wing low-brain-output types declare "victory" after "victory" here, but so far, the only trophy they have won is the the booby prize. But don't mess with Bert. He earns as much as a government employee. And now you know that I make more money per year than you do. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Bert Robbins wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Don White wrote: Bert Robbins wrote: Chuck, Glad you are back safely. You buddy Harry has been having a rough time this weekend and could use some consoling. Oh my! Bert sure turned his tail under now that Chuck's back. That was funny. The funniest thing about Bert is that he believes he is anything more than a nitwit. He and the rest of the right-wing low-brain-output types declare "victory" after "victory" here, but so far, the only trophy they have won is the the booby prize. But don't mess with Bert. He earns as much as a government employee. And now you know that I make more money per year than you do. Sure, Bertbrain. You make more than I made in the early 1970s. I'm impressed. -- Tell us about your job as senior executive in 1976 when you earned $205,000/year (current USD) Harry. That salary is especially impressive for one in his 20's. Did union member Joe Sixpack pay for that salary through his weekly union dues taken out of his meager paycheck (in comparison to yours)? |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... wrote: NOYB wrote: wrote in message oups.com... The whole place underscores the importance of sustaining a viable middle class and illustrates what can happen when any group is allowed to prosper at the complete expense and without regard to its fellow citizens. Tax deductible? I do hope to write the entire thing off as journalistic research. So by stiffing the government out of taxes, are you prospering at the expense and without regard to your fellow citizens? That bulge in the side of my face isn't an absessed tooth, Doc. It's my tongue in my cheek. Lighten up, already. :-) This thread as usual has nothing to do with me. Are you sure? I figured that you were providing the bulge in the side of Chuck's face. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... *JimH* wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Bert Robbins wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Don White wrote: Bert Robbins wrote: Chuck, Glad you are back safely. You buddy Harry has been having a rough time this weekend and could use some consoling. Oh my! Bert sure turned his tail under now that Chuck's back. That was funny. The funniest thing about Bert is that he believes he is anything more than a nitwit. He and the rest of the right-wing low-brain-output types declare "victory" after "victory" here, but so far, the only trophy they have won is the the booby prize. But don't mess with Bert. He earns as much as a government employee. And now you know that I make more money per year than you do. Sure, Bertbrain. You make more than I made in the early 1970s. I'm impressed. -- Tell us about your job as senior executive in 1976 when you earned $205,000/year (current USD) Harry. That salary is especially impressive for one in his 20's. I was a senior account executive, not a "senior executive." I suppose I could explain the difference to you, but...why bother, eh? An ad agency account exec performs a number of duties, including managing the account services department, determining the need for advertising, and maintaining the accounts of clients. I also wrote all the copy for my accounts. And since you know I was not in my 20's, and have been advised of that at least a half-dozen times, you're lying when you keep repeating that mistruth. If you were in your 30's and making $205,000/year that is equally impressive. Let's assume you were 35 in 1976......that would make you 64 now. Are you that old? |
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" *JimH*" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... *JimH* wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Bert Robbins wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Don White wrote: Bert Robbins wrote: Chuck, Glad you are back safely. You buddy Harry has been having a rough time this weekend and could use some consoling. Oh my! Bert sure turned his tail under now that Chuck's back. That was funny. The funniest thing about Bert is that he believes he is anything more than a nitwit. He and the rest of the right-wing low-brain-output types declare "victory" after "victory" here, but so far, the only trophy they have won is the the booby prize. But don't mess with Bert. He earns as much as a government employee. And now you know that I make more money per year than you do. Sure, Bertbrain. You make more than I made in the early 1970s. I'm impressed. -- Tell us about your job as senior executive in 1976 when you earned $205,000/year (current USD) Harry. That salary is especially impressive for one in his 20's. I was a senior account executive, not a "senior executive." I suppose I could explain the difference to you, but...why bother, eh? An ad agency account exec performs a number of duties, including managing the account services department, determining the need for advertising, and maintaining the accounts of clients. I also wrote all the copy for my accounts. And since you know I was not in my 20's, and have been advised of that at least a half-dozen times, you're lying when you keep repeating that mistruth. If you were in your 30's and making $205,000/year that is equally impressive. Let's assume you were 35 in 1976......that would make you 64 now. Are you that old? "Narcissists are grandiose. They live in an artificial self invented from fantasies of absolute or perfect power, genius, beauty, etc. Normal people's fantasies of themselves, their wishful thinking, take the form of stories -- these stories often come from movies or TV, or from things they've read or that were read to them as children. They involve a plot, heroic activity or great accomplishments or adventu normal people see themselves in action, however preposterous or even impossible that action may be -- they see themselves doing things that earn them honor, glory, love, riches, fame, and they see these fantasy selves as personal potentials, however tenuous" "Narcissists' fantasies are tableaux or scenes, stage sets; narcissists are hung up on a particular picture that they think reflects their true selves (as opposed to the real self -- warts and all). Narcissists don't see themselves doing anything except being adored, and they don't see anyone else doing anything except adoring them. Moreover, they don't see these images as potentials that they may some day be able to live out, if they get lucky or everything goes right: they see these pictures as the real way they want to be seen right now (which is not the same as saying they think these pictures are the way they really are right now, but that is another story to be discussed elsewhere). Sometimes narcissistic fantasies are spectacularly grandiose -- imagining themselves as Jesus or a saint or hero or deity depicted in art -- but just as often the fantasies of narcissists are mediocre and vulgar, concocted from illustrations in popular magazines, sensational novels, comic books even. These artificial self fantasies are also static in time, going back unchanged to early adolescence or even to childhood; the narcissists' self-images don't change with time, so that you will find, for instance, female narcissists clinging to retro styles, still living the picture of the perfect woman of 1945 or 1965 as depicted in The Ladies' Home Journal or Seventeen or Vogue of that era, and male narcissists still hung up on images of comic-book or ripping adventure heroes from their youth. Though narcissists like pictures rather than stories, they like still pictures, not moving ones, so they don't base their fantasies on movies or TV." |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... *JimH* wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... *JimH* wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Bert Robbins wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Don White wrote: Bert Robbins wrote: Chuck, Glad you are back safely. You buddy Harry has been having a rough time this weekend and could use some consoling. Oh my! Bert sure turned his tail under now that Chuck's back. That was funny. The funniest thing about Bert is that he believes he is anything more than a nitwit. He and the rest of the right-wing low-brain-output types declare "victory" after "victory" here, but so far, the only trophy they have won is the the booby prize. But don't mess with Bert. He earns as much as a government employee. And now you know that I make more money per year than you do. Sure, Bertbrain. You make more than I made in the early 1970s. I'm impressed. -- Tell us about your job as senior executive in 1976 when you earned $205,000/year (current USD) Harry. That salary is especially impressive for one in his 20's. I was a senior account executive, not a "senior executive." I suppose I could explain the difference to you, but...why bother, eh? An ad agency account exec performs a number of duties, including managing the account services department, determining the need for advertising, and maintaining the accounts of clients. I also wrote all the copy for my accounts. And since you know I was not in my 20's, and have been advised of that at least a half-dozen times, you're lying when you keep repeating that mistruth. If you were in your 30's and making $205,000/year that is equally impressive. Let's assume you were 35 in 1976......that would make you 64 now. Are you that old? Why are you so concerned about my age? Are you planning on asking me out on a date? Oh, and why don't you use the income number I provided? Why are you working so hard to make it sound outlandish? It wasn't, not in the ad biz in a major market in those days. You are correct Harry. You said you earned $90,000/year in 1976. In todays dollars that is $205,000/year. What is the going rate for a senior account executive in their early to mid 30's Harry? Does $200,000/year sound a bit over the edge? If not, I tip my hat to you Harry. I would guess you are now making well over $1 million/year on union dues money paid by Joe Sixpack's weekly union dues deduction. You're trying too hard. As you did with your household computers. You were wrong about that, too, remember? It was only earlier today. Yep. And I acknowledged how nice of a computer you have. Remember? |
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" *JimH*" wrote in message . .. "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... *JimH* wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... *JimH* wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Bert Robbins wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Don White wrote: Bert Robbins wrote: Chuck, Glad you are back safely. You buddy Harry has been having a rough time this weekend and could use some consoling. Oh my! Bert sure turned his tail under now that Chuck's back. That was funny. The funniest thing about Bert is that he believes he is anything more than a nitwit. He and the rest of the right-wing low-brain-output types declare "victory" after "victory" here, but so far, the only trophy they have won is the the booby prize. But don't mess with Bert. He earns as much as a government employee. And now you know that I make more money per year than you do. Sure, Bertbrain. You make more than I made in the early 1970s. I'm impressed. -- Tell us about your job as senior executive in 1976 when you earned $205,000/year (current USD) Harry. That salary is especially impressive for one in his 20's. I was a senior account executive, not a "senior executive." I suppose I could explain the difference to you, but...why bother, eh? An ad agency account exec performs a number of duties, including managing the account services department, determining the need for advertising, and maintaining the accounts of clients. I also wrote all the copy for my accounts. And since you know I was not in my 20's, and have been advised of that at least a half-dozen times, you're lying when you keep repeating that mistruth. If you were in your 30's and making $205,000/year that is equally impressive. Let's assume you were 35 in 1976......that would make you 64 now. Are you that old? Why are you so concerned about my age? Are you planning on asking me out on a date? Oh, and why don't you use the income number I provided? Why are you working so hard to make it sound outlandish? It wasn't, not in the ad biz in a major market in those days. You are correct Harry. You said you earned $90,000/year in 1976. In todays dollars that is $205,000/year. What is the going rate for a senior account executive in their early to mid 30's Harry? Does $200,000/year sound a bit over the edge? If not, I tip my hat to you Harry. I would guess you are now making well over $1 million/year on union dues money paid by Joe Sixpack's weekly union dues deduction. You're trying too hard. As you did with your household computers. You were wrong about that, too, remember? It was only earlier today. Yep. And I acknowledged how nice of a computer you have. Remember? "Narcissists can be pretty nice, even charming, flirtatious, and seductive, to strangers, and will flatter you shamelessly if they want something from you. |
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Harry Krause wrote: I get clients to pay for many of my trips. They usually want some sort of presentation from me at their meetings. Since I am on a retainer fee, they don't have to pay more for me to be there, so they're glad to pick up my airfare, hotel, meals, et cetera. I was invited to a meeting next month in Seattle, but I talked the client into putting me off until Spring. I do hope the sun shines a little in Seattle in the Spring. A "little" is the operative word. Actually, once it gets to be April-Mayish, about 1/2 to 2/3 of the days each month are at least partly sunny. But if you visit up this way we will have to brainwash you at the airport so that when you go back east you will repeat the official mantra; "I don't know why anybody would ever go there. It rains all day every day....." Of course if you make it up to Seattle you will have to give me a call and we'll do lunch or something. :-) |
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*JimH* wrote: Welcome back. Glad to hear you had a great time with your wife. Congratulations also on 35 years. Quite and accomplishment Chuck. It's been pretty easy for me. My wife, after all, is a wonderful person. Just think of what *she's* had to put up with! Good grief. :-) |
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