"John H." wrote in message
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On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 20:36:39 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 00:52:24 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Forget that Grady.

This is what you want:

http://www.parkerboats.net/pages/boa...l.jsp?boatid=4
Not enough bunks for the kids.

But I like Parkers.
Aha! Kids! No wonder you want a Grady. Creature comforts.
I like Gradys myself. Our Parker dealer is, I believe, also the
largest
Grady dealer in the Bay area.
Yes. 3 kids. Ages 6, 4, and 2 1/2.

I needed something with an A/C, generator, and higher gunwales.


In fact, he's got a lightly used 30' Marlin available:

http://www.tristatemarine.com/Used-B...rady_white.htm

And another:

http://www.tristatemarine.com/Used-B..._white300m.htm
The first boat is too much money for my budget. They have the twin
to
that boat at FishTale Marina in Ft. Myers Beach for the same exact
price.

The second boat looks just like the one that I'm buying. The ad that
you
posted doesn't list the year, or whether it has a generator,
outriggers,
radar, or autopilot...all of which are on the 2001 that I'm buying.
Of
course, I'm paying about $5k more than that asking price...so I guess
it's a wash (assuming that the one you listed is also a 2001). If
that
one is a 2001 or newer, it's a very good buy...because it appears to
be
in excellent shape. The one that I'm purchasing hasn't been bottom
painted, and has been stored high and dry since new. It's also
within
range of here, without having to pay someone $2/mile to ship it from
Maryland.




I just heard from the surveyor about 1 hour ago. There's greening on
the
through-hulls and seacocks (minor corrosion...nothing major), and
some
minor dings and scratches in the rubrail and sides of the boat.
Everything works, and there's no sign of water intrusion, or moisture
in
the hull. The engine compression tested well within the 10%
variation
across all cylinders

All of the electronics work. He didn't test the generator because I
told
him that I already knew that it didn't work. But the seller agreed
to
fix or replace it.

I'll be departing Tampa tomorrow morning if seas permit. Otherwise,
I'll
handle the paperwork tomorrow and bring it back on Sunday...or the
Friday
after Thanksgiving.

I was up at 4:30am this morning. I don't know if it was last night's
meal of a spicy corn/crab chowder, mahi with shrimp and scallops in a
lemon butter caper sauce, and a couple of Oktoberfest Sam Adam's...or
if
it was excitement over this boat...but I had horrible hearturn this
morning. ;-)


Good luck. Are you selling your whaler or building a flotilla?
I'm going to sell the bigger Whaler...and keep the 17' Outrage.

Actually, I told my wife that she could redo the kitchen as soon as the
Whaler sells...so she's been telling anybody who will listen that it's
for
sale. She has me sending out 4 emails next week to people who already
expressed to her that they might be interested in it.

With the incentive that I offered her, while I'm fishing on the new
boat,
she'll be working hard to sell the old one. I have my own live-in
broker...but this broker charges a 110% commission.

I second the congratulations on the new boat and wish you all the
success in the
world with it!

Parkers are nice, for fishing, but they are most definitely *not* a
family boat.
The Grady's are nicely outfitted for family getaways *and* for fishing.

Have a good one.


Depends on the family. My Parker has comfy bunks for two adults or three
small kids, with thick, well-made cushions, a flush toilet, a freshwater
sink, a refrigerator and a store. It's got more room in the cabin than
the same-sized Grady, but there is no question the Grady is more plush.

How often would you let just the three pre-teens take the boat out for a
weekend? Or, how often would you leave the pre-teens in a tent on the
beach
while you and your bride occupied the thick-cushioned, comfy bunks?

What actually started this was an invite from a friend to camp on Keywadin
Island. He has a 31' Intrepid, but planned on sleeping in a tent on the
beach. I suggested it to my wife, and she looked at me like I had three
heads. Her response was that if I had a boat we could all sleep on (instead
of in a tent), she would go. And you know the rest...

"John H." wrote in message
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On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 20:36:39 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 00:52:24 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Forget that Grady.

This is what you want:

http://www.parkerboats.net/pages/boa...l.jsp?boatid=4
Not enough bunks for the kids.

But I like Parkers.
Aha! Kids! No wonder you want a Grady. Creature comforts.
I like Gradys myself. Our Parker dealer is, I believe, also the
largest
Grady dealer in the Bay area.
Yes. 3 kids. Ages 6, 4, and 2 1/2.

I needed something with an A/C, generator, and higher gunwales.


In fact, he's got a lightly used 30' Marlin available:

http://www.tristatemarine.com/Used-B...rady_white.htm

And another:

http://www.tristatemarine.com/Used-B..._white300m.htm
The first boat is too much money for my budget. They have the twin
to
that boat at FishTale Marina in Ft. Myers Beach for the same exact
price.

The second boat looks just like the one that I'm buying. The ad that
you
posted doesn't list the year, or whether it has a generator,
outriggers,
radar, or autopilot...all of which are on the 2001 that I'm buying.
Of
course, I'm paying about $5k more than that asking price...so I guess
it's a wash (assuming that the one you listed is also a 2001). If
that
one is a 2001 or newer, it's a very good buy...because it appears to
be
in excellent shape. The one that I'm purchasing hasn't been bottom
painted, and has been stored high and dry since new. It's also
within
range of here, without having to pay someone $2/mile to ship it from
Maryland.




I just heard from the surveyor about 1 hour ago. There's greening on
the
through-hulls and seacocks (minor corrosion...nothing major), and
some
minor dings and scratches in the rubrail and sides of the boat.
Everything works, and there's no sign of water intrusion, or moisture
in
the hull. The engine compression tested well within the 10%
variation
across all cylinders

All of the electronics work. He didn't test the generator because I
told
him that I already knew that it didn't work. But the seller agreed
to
fix or replace it.

I'll be departing Tampa tomorrow morning if seas permit. Otherwise,
I'll
handle the paperwork tomorrow and bring it back on Sunday...or the
Friday
after Thanksgiving.

I was up at 4:30am this morning. I don't know if it was last night's
meal of a spicy corn/crab chowder, mahi with shrimp and scallops in a
lemon butter caper sauce, and a couple of Oktoberfest Sam Adam's...or
if
it was excitement over this boat...but I had horrible hearturn this
morning. ;-)


Good luck. Are you selling your whaler or building a flotilla?
I'm going to sell the bigger Whaler...and keep the 17' Outrage.

Actually, I told my wife that she could redo the kitchen as soon as the
Whaler sells...so she's been telling anybody who will listen that it's
for
sale. She has me sending out 4 emails next week to people who already
expressed to her that they might be interested in it.

With the incentive that I offered her, while I'm fishing on the new
boat,
she'll be working hard to sell the old one. I have my own live-in
broker...but this broker charges a 110% commission.

I second the congratulations on the new boat and wish you all the
success in the
world with it!

Parkers are nice, for fishing, but they are most definitely *not* a
family boat.
The Grady's are nicely outfitted for family getaways *and* for fishing.

Have a good one.


Depends on the family. My Parker has comfy bunks for two adults or three
small kids, with thick, well-made cushions, a flush toilet, a freshwater
sink, a refrigerator and a store. It's got more room in the cabin than
the same-sized Grady, but there is no question the Grady is more plush.

How often would you let just the three pre-teens take the boat out for a
weekend? Or, how often would you leave the pre-teens in a tent on the
beach
while you and your bride occupied the thick-cushioned, comfy bunks?
--
John H

"It's *not* a baby kicking, bride of mine, it's just a fetus!"

A Famous Hypocrite

When our kids were younger we found times when they would nap in the vee
bunk or aft cabin while my wife and I cruised or relaxed on the boat.

For 2 adults I would think that the vee bunk set up in a 25 foot fishing
boat would be clumsy and uncomfortable for an overnight stay. It certainly
would not accommodate a family with children for overnight stays on the
boat.

IMO you cannot have the best of both worlds with a 25~27 foot
boat..........it is either good for fishing or cruising/overnighting.

It is only until you get into bigger boats, such as the Grady w/aft cabin
NOYB is purchasing, that you can come close to meeting both needs.

" *JimH*" wrote in message
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"John H." wrote in message
...
On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 20:36:39 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 00:52:24 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Forget that Grady.

This is what you want:

http://www.parkerboats.net/pages/boa...l.jsp?boatid=4
Not enough bunks for the kids.

But I like Parkers.
Aha! Kids! No wonder you want a Grady. Creature comforts.
I like Gradys myself. Our Parker dealer is, I believe, also the
largest
Grady dealer in the Bay area.
Yes. 3 kids. Ages 6, 4, and 2 1/2.

I needed something with an A/C, generator, and higher gunwales.


In fact, he's got a lightly used 30' Marlin available:

http://www.tristatemarine.com/Used-B...rady_white.htm

And another:

http://www.tristatemarine.com/Used-B..._white300m.htm
The first boat is too much money for my budget. They have the twin
to
that boat at FishTale Marina in Ft. Myers Beach for the same exact
price.

The second boat looks just like the one that I'm buying. The ad
that you
posted doesn't list the year, or whether it has a generator,
outriggers,
radar, or autopilot...all of which are on the 2001 that I'm buying.
Of
course, I'm paying about $5k more than that asking price...so I
guess
it's a wash (assuming that the one you listed is also a 2001). If
that
one is a 2001 or newer, it's a very good buy...because it appears to
be
in excellent shape. The one that I'm purchasing hasn't been bottom
painted, and has been stored high and dry since new. It's also
within
range of here, without having to pay someone $2/mile to ship it from
Maryland.




I just heard from the surveyor about 1 hour ago. There's greening
on the
through-hulls and seacocks (minor corrosion...nothing major), and
some
minor dings and scratches in the rubrail and sides of the boat.
Everything works, and there's no sign of water intrusion, or
moisture in
the hull. The engine compression tested well within the 10%
variation
across all cylinders

All of the electronics work. He didn't test the generator because I
told
him that I already knew that it didn't work. But the seller agreed
to
fix or replace it.

I'll be departing Tampa tomorrow morning if seas permit. Otherwise,
I'll
handle the paperwork tomorrow and bring it back on Sunday...or the
Friday
after Thanksgiving.

I was up at 4:30am this morning. I don't know if it was last
night's
meal of a spicy corn/crab chowder, mahi with shrimp and scallops in
a
lemon butter caper sauce, and a couple of Oktoberfest Sam
Adam's...or if
it was excitement over this boat...but I had horrible hearturn this
morning. ;-)


Good luck. Are you selling your whaler or building a flotilla?
I'm going to sell the bigger Whaler...and keep the 17' Outrage.

Actually, I told my wife that she could redo the kitchen as soon as
the
Whaler sells...so she's been telling anybody who will listen that it's
for
sale. She has me sending out 4 emails next week to people who already
expressed to her that they might be interested in it.

With the incentive that I offered her, while I'm fishing on the new
boat,
she'll be working hard to sell the old one. I have my own live-in
broker...but this broker charges a 110% commission.

I second the congratulations on the new boat and wish you all the
success in the
world with it!

Parkers are nice, for fishing, but they are most definitely *not* a
family boat.
The Grady's are nicely outfitted for family getaways *and* for fishing.

Have a good one.


Depends on the family. My Parker has comfy bunks for two adults or three
small kids, with thick, well-made cushions, a flush toilet, a freshwater
sink, a refrigerator and a store. It's got more room in the cabin than
the same-sized Grady, but there is no question the Grady is more plush.

How often would you let just the three pre-teens take the boat out for a
weekend? Or, how often would you leave the pre-teens in a tent on the
beach
while you and your bride occupied the thick-cushioned, comfy bunks?
--
John H

"It's *not* a baby kicking, bride of mine, it's just a fetus!"

A Famous Hypocrite

When our kids were younger we found times when they would nap in the vee
bunk or aft cabin while my wife and I cruised or relaxed on the boat.

For 2 adults I would think that the vee bunk set up in a 25 foot fishing
boat would be clumsy and uncomfortable for an overnight stay. It
certainly would not accommodate a family with children for overnight stays
on the boat.

IMO you cannot have the best of both worlds with a 25~27 foot
boat..........it is either good for fishing or cruising/overnighting.

It is only until you get into bigger boats, such as the Grady w/aft cabin
NOYB is purchasing, that you can come close to meeting both needs.

I've been searching long and hard for a Grady 33 Express that would fit my
budget. I had given up, figuring I'd wait another couple of years before
getting the 33. But when I went to the Ft. Myers boat show, and took a look
at the Marlin 30, I realized that it would certainly fit my needs almost as
well as the 33.

For a week or so, I was actually considering a Sea Ray Amberjack 290...but
after some thought, I realized that it was geared too much towards cruising,
and too little towards fishing. This is the one area in which Harry and I
agree on. The Sea Ray is a "bubble boat"...and looks too much like every
other boat out on the water.

On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 21:01:49 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 20:36:39 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 00:52:24 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Forget that Grady.

This is what you want:

http://www.parkerboats.net/pages/boa...l.jsp?boatid=4
Not enough bunks for the kids.

But I like Parkers.
Aha! Kids! No wonder you want a Grady. Creature comforts.
I like Gradys myself. Our Parker dealer is, I believe, also the largest
Grady dealer in the Bay area.
Yes. 3 kids. Ages 6, 4, and 2 1/2.

I needed something with an A/C, generator, and higher gunwales.


In fact, he's got a lightly used 30' Marlin available:

http://www.tristatemarine.com/Used-B...rady_white.htm

And another:

http://www.tristatemarine.com/Used-B..._white300m.htm
The first boat is too much money for my budget. They have the twin to
that boat at FishTale Marina in Ft. Myers Beach for the same exact price.

The second boat looks just like the one that I'm buying. The ad that you
posted doesn't list the year, or whether it has a generator, outriggers,
radar, or autopilot...all of which are on the 2001 that I'm buying. Of
course, I'm paying about $5k more than that asking price...so I guess
it's a wash (assuming that the one you listed is also a 2001). If that
one is a 2001 or newer, it's a very good buy...because it appears to be
in excellent shape. The one that I'm purchasing hasn't been bottom
painted, and has been stored high and dry since new. It's also within
range of here, without having to pay someone $2/mile to ship it from
Maryland.




I just heard from the surveyor about 1 hour ago. There's greening on the
through-hulls and seacocks (minor corrosion...nothing major), and some
minor dings and scratches in the rubrail and sides of the boat.
Everything works, and there's no sign of water intrusion, or moisture in
the hull. The engine compression tested well within the 10% variation
across all cylinders

All of the electronics work. He didn't test the generator because I told
him that I already knew that it didn't work. But the seller agreed to
fix or replace it.

I'll be departing Tampa tomorrow morning if seas permit. Otherwise, I'll
handle the paperwork tomorrow and bring it back on Sunday...or the Friday
after Thanksgiving.

I was up at 4:30am this morning. I don't know if it was last night's
meal of a spicy corn/crab chowder, mahi with shrimp and scallops in a
lemon butter caper sauce, and a couple of Oktoberfest Sam Adam's...or if
it was excitement over this boat...but I had horrible hearturn this
morning. ;-)

Good luck. Are you selling your whaler or building a flotilla?
I'm going to sell the bigger Whaler...and keep the 17' Outrage.

Actually, I told my wife that she could redo the kitchen as soon as the
Whaler sells...so she's been telling anybody who will listen that it's for
sale. She has me sending out 4 emails next week to people who already
expressed to her that they might be interested in it.

With the incentive that I offered her, while I'm fishing on the new boat,
she'll be working hard to sell the old one. I have my own live-in
broker...but this broker charges a 110% commission.
I second the congratulations on the new boat and wish you all the success in the
world with it!

Parkers are nice, for fishing, but they are most definitely *not* a family boat.
The Grady's are nicely outfitted for family getaways *and* for fishing.

Have a good one.

Depends on the family. My Parker has comfy bunks for two adults or three
small kids, with thick, well-made cushions, a flush toilet, a freshwater
sink, a refrigerator and a store. It's got more room in the cabin than
the same-sized Grady, but there is no question the Grady is more plush.

How often would you let just the three pre-teens take the boat out for a
weekend? Or, how often would you leave the pre-teens in a tent on the beach
while you and your bride occupied the thick-cushioned, comfy bunks?



I wouldn't let "pre-teens" take out any boat the size of my Parker or
NOYB's present Whaler.

Glad to hear it.

That's why NOYB is going for a boat which will comfortable handle two adults
*and* three kids.

I'd take a Parker in a minute, but not as a *family* boat.
--
John H

"It's *not* a baby kicking, bride of mine, it's just a fetus!"

A Famous Hypocrite

"NOYB" wrote in message
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" *JimH*" wrote in message
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"John H." wrote in message
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On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 20:36:39 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 00:52:24 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Forget that Grady.

This is what you want:

http://www.parkerboats.net/pages/boa...l.jsp?boatid=4
Not enough bunks for the kids.

But I like Parkers.
Aha! Kids! No wonder you want a Grady. Creature comforts.
I like Gradys myself. Our Parker dealer is, I believe, also the
largest
Grady dealer in the Bay area.
Yes. 3 kids. Ages 6, 4, and 2 1/2.

I needed something with an A/C, generator, and higher gunwales.


In fact, he's got a lightly used 30' Marlin available:

http://www.tristatemarine.com/Used-B...rady_white.htm

And another:

http://www.tristatemarine.com/Used-B..._white300m.htm
The first boat is too much money for my budget. They have the twin
to
that boat at FishTale Marina in Ft. Myers Beach for the same exact
price.

The second boat looks just like the one that I'm buying. The ad
that you
posted doesn't list the year, or whether it has a generator,
outriggers,
radar, or autopilot...all of which are on the 2001 that I'm buying.
Of
course, I'm paying about $5k more than that asking price...so I
guess
it's a wash (assuming that the one you listed is also a 2001). If
that
one is a 2001 or newer, it's a very good buy...because it appears
to be
in excellent shape. The one that I'm purchasing hasn't been bottom
painted, and has been stored high and dry since new. It's also
within
range of here, without having to pay someone $2/mile to ship it
from
Maryland.




I just heard from the surveyor about 1 hour ago. There's greening
on the
through-hulls and seacocks (minor corrosion...nothing major), and
some
minor dings and scratches in the rubrail and sides of the boat.
Everything works, and there's no sign of water intrusion, or
moisture in
the hull. The engine compression tested well within the 10%
variation
across all cylinders

All of the electronics work. He didn't test the generator because
I told
him that I already knew that it didn't work. But the seller agreed
to
fix or replace it.

I'll be departing Tampa tomorrow morning if seas permit.
Otherwise, I'll
handle the paperwork tomorrow and bring it back on Sunday...or the
Friday
after Thanksgiving.

I was up at 4:30am this morning. I don't know if it was last
night's
meal of a spicy corn/crab chowder, mahi with shrimp and scallops in
a
lemon butter caper sauce, and a couple of Oktoberfest Sam
Adam's...or if
it was excitement over this boat...but I had horrible hearturn this
morning. ;-)


Good luck. Are you selling your whaler or building a flotilla?
I'm going to sell the bigger Whaler...and keep the 17' Outrage.

Actually, I told my wife that she could redo the kitchen as soon as
the
Whaler sells...so she's been telling anybody who will listen that
it's for
sale. She has me sending out 4 emails next week to people who
already
expressed to her that they might be interested in it.

With the incentive that I offered her, while I'm fishing on the new
boat,
she'll be working hard to sell the old one. I have my own live-in
broker...but this broker charges a 110% commission.

I second the congratulations on the new boat and wish you all the
success in the
world with it!

Parkers are nice, for fishing, but they are most definitely *not* a
family boat.
The Grady's are nicely outfitted for family getaways *and* for
fishing.

Have a good one.


Depends on the family. My Parker has comfy bunks for two adults or three
small kids, with thick, well-made cushions, a flush toilet, a freshwater
sink, a refrigerator and a store. It's got more room in the cabin than
the same-sized Grady, but there is no question the Grady is more plush.

How often would you let just the three pre-teens take the boat out for a
weekend? Or, how often would you leave the pre-teens in a tent on the
beach
while you and your bride occupied the thick-cushioned, comfy bunks?
--
John H

"It's *not* a baby kicking, bride of mine, it's just a fetus!"

A Famous Hypocrite

When our kids were younger we found times when they would nap in the vee
bunk or aft cabin while my wife and I cruised or relaxed on the boat.

For 2 adults I would think that the vee bunk set up in a 25 foot fishing
boat would be clumsy and uncomfortable for an overnight stay. It
certainly would not accommodate a family with children for overnight
stays on the boat.

IMO you cannot have the best of both worlds with a 25~27 foot
boat..........it is either good for fishing or cruising/overnighting.

It is only until you get into bigger boats, such as the Grady w/aft cabin
NOYB is purchasing, that you can come close to meeting both needs.

I've been searching long and hard for a Grady 33 Express that would fit my
budget. I had given up, figuring I'd wait another couple of years before
getting the 33. But when I went to the Ft. Myers boat show, and took a
look at the Marlin 30, I realized that it would certainly fit my needs
almost as well as the 33.

For a week or so, I was actually considering a Sea Ray Amberjack 290...but
after some thought, I realized that it was geared too much towards
cruising, and too little towards fishing. This is the one area in which
Harry and I agree on. The Sea Ray is a "bubble boat"...and looks too much
like every other boat out on the water.


Bubble boats are not fishing boats. True fishing boats are generally not
well suited for cruising or comfortable overnight stays.

Tiara, although expensive, offers a nice compromise.

With that said, I think you are buying a very nice boat. It certainly looks
like you have done your homework.

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 21:01:49 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 20:36:39 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 00:52:24 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Forget that Grady.

This is what you want:

http://www.parkerboats.net/pages/boa...l.jsp?boatid=4
Not enough bunks for the kids.

But I like Parkers.
Aha! Kids! No wonder you want a Grady. Creature comforts.
I like Gradys myself. Our Parker dealer is, I believe, also the
largest
Grady dealer in the Bay area.
Yes. 3 kids. Ages 6, 4, and 2 1/2.

I needed something with an A/C, generator, and higher gunwales.


In fact, he's got a lightly used 30' Marlin available:

http://www.tristatemarine.com/Used-B...rady_white.htm

And another:

http://www.tristatemarine.com/Used-B..._white300m.htm
The first boat is too much money for my budget. They have the twin
to
that boat at FishTale Marina in Ft. Myers Beach for the same exact
price.

The second boat looks just like the one that I'm buying. The ad
that you
posted doesn't list the year, or whether it has a generator,
outriggers,
radar, or autopilot...all of which are on the 2001 that I'm buying.
Of
course, I'm paying about $5k more than that asking price...so I
guess
it's a wash (assuming that the one you listed is also a 2001). If
that
one is a 2001 or newer, it's a very good buy...because it appears
to be
in excellent shape. The one that I'm purchasing hasn't been bottom
painted, and has been stored high and dry since new. It's also
within
range of here, without having to pay someone $2/mile to ship it
from
Maryland.




I just heard from the surveyor about 1 hour ago. There's greening
on the
through-hulls and seacocks (minor corrosion...nothing major), and
some
minor dings and scratches in the rubrail and sides of the boat.
Everything works, and there's no sign of water intrusion, or
moisture in
the hull. The engine compression tested well within the 10%
variation
across all cylinders

All of the electronics work. He didn't test the generator because
I told
him that I already knew that it didn't work. But the seller agreed
to
fix or replace it.

I'll be departing Tampa tomorrow morning if seas permit.
Otherwise, I'll
handle the paperwork tomorrow and bring it back on Sunday...or the
Friday
after Thanksgiving.

I was up at 4:30am this morning. I don't know if it was last
night's
meal of a spicy corn/crab chowder, mahi with shrimp and scallops in
a
lemon butter caper sauce, and a couple of Oktoberfest Sam
Adam's...or if
it was excitement over this boat...but I had horrible hearturn this
morning. ;-)

Good luck. Are you selling your whaler or building a flotilla?
I'm going to sell the bigger Whaler...and keep the 17' Outrage.

Actually, I told my wife that she could redo the kitchen as soon as
the
Whaler sells...so she's been telling anybody who will listen that
it's for
sale. She has me sending out 4 emails next week to people who
already
expressed to her that they might be interested in it.

With the incentive that I offered her, while I'm fishing on the new
boat,
she'll be working hard to sell the old one. I have my own live-in
broker...but this broker charges a 110% commission.
I second the congratulations on the new boat and wish you all the
success in the
world with it!

Parkers are nice, for fishing, but they are most definitely *not* a
family boat.
The Grady's are nicely outfitted for family getaways *and* for
fishing.

Have a good one.

Depends on the family. My Parker has comfy bunks for two adults or
three
small kids, with thick, well-made cushions, a flush toilet, a
freshwater
sink, a refrigerator and a store. It's got more room in the cabin than
the same-sized Grady, but there is no question the Grady is more plush.

How often would you let just the three pre-teens take the boat out for a
weekend? Or, how often would you leave the pre-teens in a tent on the
beach
while you and your bride occupied the thick-cushioned, comfy bunks?



I wouldn't let "pre-teens" take out any boat the size of my Parker or
NOYB's present Whaler.

Glad to hear it.

That's why NOYB is going for a boat which will comfortable handle two
adults
*and* three kids.

I'd take a Parker in a minute, but not as a *family* boat.
--
John H

"It's *not* a baby kicking, bride of mine, it's just a fetus!"

A Famous Hypocrite

Why not make Harry an offer for it? He said it was "unofficially" up for
sale and it sounds like it was very well maintained.

Life it too short. Enjoy it.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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The 33' and 36' Gradys are two of my favorite boats. Thanks to my dealer,
I've had the opportunity to drive both during "demo" days. The 33'
especially demonstrated to me that a pair of outboards can offer more than
a pair of diesels.

Did the 33' have twin 250's or 225's? The 225's were supposed to push it to
41 or 42 mph...but I always had a hard time believing those numbers
(especially since the Yamaha 225's put out 217 hp at the prop).


Oddly enough, Yamaha used to have a performance bulletin on its site for
the Grady 33 powered by twin 225 Yamaha four-strokes. I am certain that I
read that the boat would reach 42 mph. But when I now look for the bulletin
now, it is no longer there. (?!?!?)

They only have performance bulletins for the 33 with twin 225's or twin 300
hpdi's (which have a tendency to blow up, or foul plugs).

The "real world" numbers that I've been reading on boating forums are closer
to the high 30's for the 225's. Most people feel that the boat was
underpowered with the 225's. It seems as if the current choice of twin
250's is just right for that boat.

I didn't even bother to look at the 36' Grady. Why tempt myself with
something that's so far out of reach? I also don't like the fact that my
100 hour service would cost at least 3/4 of a grand.

On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 21:55:48 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

The
33' especially demonstrated to me that a pair of outboards can offer
more than a pair of diesels.
==========================
The advantage of the diesels is not speed, it is range, fuel economy
and longevity.

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 21:55:48 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

The
33' especially demonstrated to me that a pair of outboards can offer
more than a pair of diesels.
==========================
The advantage of the diesels is not speed, it is range, fuel economy
and longevity.


There's a pretty good article in one the major magazines (or perhaps it was
Powerboat Reports?) that compared the diesel Glacier bay against a
Suzuki-powered Glacier Bay. They made the point that they're not convinced
that the diesels will have a distinct longevity advantage over the
outboards. I'm pretty sure that overall, they preferred the outboards in
the shootout...but I'll have to go back in the archives and check.


The reasons I prefer outboards (in order of importance):

Shallow draft
Speed
Simplicity to replace (although it can be more costly than diesels)

"NOYB" wrote in message
k.net...

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 21:55:48 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

The
33' especially demonstrated to me that a pair of outboards can offer
more than a pair of diesels.
==========================
The advantage of the diesels is not speed, it is range, fuel economy
and longevity.


There's a pretty good article in one the major magazines (or perhaps it
was Powerboat Reports?) that compared the diesel Glacier bay against a
Suzuki-powered Glacier Bay. They made the point that they're not
convinced that the diesels will have a distinct longevity advantage over
the outboards. I'm pretty sure that overall, they preferred the outboards
in the shootout...but I'll have to go back in the archives and check.


In my opinion, it really depends on how, why and where you do your boating.
Long range cruising is ideal for diesels whereas a weekend blast in the bay
is a lot of fun with big outboards. In any case, very few ocean boaters
that I know run anywhere near their boat's top speed unless the ocean lays
down flat calm which is rare.

30+ kts in a thirty something foot boat in 4-5 footers is not my idea of fun
regardless of the make of the boat.

Eisboch