Harry Krause wrote:
wrote:
Skipper wrote:
wrote:

"My name is Lynn and you and go @%*# Yourself! I just spent all weekend
using something that help me. Assholes like you make this country of
FREE Speech just wonderful! Hope your boat stays ungly! Mine looks
great! BTW, do get your kicks by showing your ass and your lack of
knowledge?"
Do you support SPAM and obscene language in this NG Chuck?
Nope.
Why would you descend to her level, however?
You made a bigger deal than was maybe required about the obvious SPAM,
and she reacted badly. (I don't find her commercial for a boating
related product any more or less ridiculous than the anti-semitic
Psuedo JC ((as in Julia Child, the recipe gal)) who has been posting
recipes all day or Harry's non-stop citation of the latest bad poll
numbers for GWB).
Oh, Chucky, you still seem ticked that someone exposed some needed
truths about your business ethics and honesty. Do you think those
revelations had any connection to your descriptions of fellow NG
contributors or your reluctance to issue long overdue apologies? No, a
guess that wasn't it.

--
Skipper


Why would I be upset?

Very few people in the NG have ever met me, and maybe 18-24 months
after you did you posted the following opinion (from April,
2002)........

Quote:
We all make mistakes. I believe her wordy and somewhat insulting debate

with Chuck Gould was nothing more than that, a small personal
miscalculation. I've met Mr. Gould and have had business dealings with
him. You would look long and hard to find a more honest and
knowledgeable broker. His boating views *are* worthy of note.

End Quote:

Even though I was no longer working as a broker when you posted this, I
thought the comment that one would have to "look long and hard to find
a more honest and knowledgeable broker" was reasonably complimentary.
No reason to be upset. You won't find anybody who has personally dealt
with me to refute that sentiment, except for maybe some lame nerd
someplace who now claims his own statement was a lie.....not because it
wasn't true, but because it doesn't fit his new agenda. If he is so
fast and loose with the truth that his version of truth changes with
the pages on the calendar, nobody will pay him any attention. Besides,
he now claims he was somehow treated dishonestly in a boat deal- when
ne *never bought a boat*! That's pretty tough to do. :-)

What's on the agenda for today? More of Mrs. Psuedo's holiday recipes?
A few more pages copied from Steinbeck to establish your "boating"
credentials? I can hardly wait....



I don't think Skipper ever owned even that 22' Crappyliner. When he
visited you, did you get the impressed he actually knew anything about
boats?

To be fair, Skipper did indeed own that 22-footer. You might recall the
incident where somebody surfing the web came across an advertisement
for a 22-foot boat for sale in Derby, KS that matched the description
that Skipper had shared with the NG. When asked, Skipper admitted that
he was selling his boat (had something to do with a case of bad
knees....on Skipper, not under the deck.......and low expectations for
being able to boat again, if I recall correctly, but that has been
several years ago....).

My foggy recollection of Skipper's boating knowledge seems to be that
he was very well read on the subject but lacked practical experience.
You could see how little tidbits of
one school of thought and those of another would get jumbled up into a
weird third (pretty unworkable) compromise......the sort of thing that
sets one off on a multi-year quest for the "perfect" boat, all the
while still unsure, (he claims) even whether he wants to go with power
or sail. Given the oportunity, (hard to find in KS), Dave might have
been able to vet the confilicting theories with some actual experience.

My impression is that Skipper has gone charter fishing (on boats owned
by others) down in the Gulf of California a few times or more. You may
recall a post where somebody found a photo of Dave Mann on a charter
boat operator's web site. It is from these experiences that he claims
extensive expertise regarding boating in the Sea of Cortez.

I doubt the 22-footer ever saw any sal****er, stories of braving 20-30
foot breaking waves down in Mexico with the little runabout
notwithstanding. In the latest version of the truth, I believe he now
claims he braved that "Torito" on a sailboat. Confuses heck out of me-
I can't figure out where you'd mount the mast on that runabout he used
to own, or why one would carry a collection of portable gas cans to
extend the range of a sailing vessel; and he previously insisted he
survived that storm in his Bayliner......oh well.

Chuck,
Since you are expressing your opinion on Skipper's boat ownership and
experience. Do you believe Harry actually owns this infamous Lobster Boat,
who the only person who ever saw the boat was a new poster who was using
Harry's IP, and disappeared as soon as someone pointed out Harry's sock
puppet.

Since you question Skipper's salt water experience, don't you also question
Harry's claim to have sailed the "Cape" (Horn) a number of times?




wrote in message
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To be fair, Skipper did indeed own that 22-footer. You might recall the
incident where somebody surfing the web came across an advertisement
for a 22-foot boat for sale in Derby, KS that matched the description
that Skipper had shared with the NG. When asked, Skipper admitted that
he was selling his boat (had something to do with a case of bad
knees....on Skipper, not under the deck.......and low expectations for
being able to boat again, if I recall correctly, but that has been
several years ago....).

My foggy recollection of Skipper's boating knowledge seems to be that
he was very well read on the subject but lacked practical experience.
You could see how little tidbits of
one school of thought and those of another would get jumbled up into a
weird third (pretty unworkable) compromise......the sort of thing that
sets one off on a multi-year quest for the "perfect" boat, all the
while still unsure, (he claims) even whether he wants to go with power
or sail. Given the oportunity, (hard to find in KS), Dave might have
been able to vet the confilicting theories with some actual experience.

My impression is that Skipper has gone charter fishing (on boats owned
by others) down in the Gulf of California a few times or more. You may
recall a post where somebody found a photo of Dave Mann on a charter
boat operator's web site. It is from these experiences that he claims
extensive expertise regarding boating in the Sea of Cortez.

I doubt the 22-footer ever saw any sal****er, stories of braving 20-30
foot breaking waves down in Mexico with the little runabout
notwithstanding. In the latest version of the truth, I believe he now
claims he braved that "Torito" on a sailboat. Confuses heck out of me-
I can't figure out where you'd mount the mast on that runabout he used
to own, or why one would carry a collection of portable gas cans to
extend the range of a sailing vessel; and he previously insisted he
survived that storm in his Bayliner......oh well.

Sir Rodney Smithers wrote:
Chuck,
Since you are expressing your opinion on Skipper's boat ownership and
experience. Do you believe Harry actually owns this infamous Lobster Boat,
who the only person who ever saw the boat was a new poster who was using
Harry's IP, and disappeared as soon as someone pointed out Harry's sock
puppet.

Since you question Skipper's salt water experience, don't you also question
Harry's claim to have sailed the "Cape" (Horn) a number of times?





I've never seen any claim by Harry that he has sailed around the horn
one or more times.
Not to say it hasn't been made- but if it has I have not seen it and I
therefore have no opinion. Millions of people have sailed around the
horn, no reason that a poster to the NG may not have done so. Does
Harry continually berate others for lack of specific round-the-horn
experience? If so, I've missed that. (He has berated people for other
issues, yes).

I know where there's a big yellow, mid channel buoy with a fog signal
built in.
I suppose I could motor out to the middle of the sound, do a few
circles around the buoy, and claim to have boated around the "horn",
but what would be the point? My boating adventures aren't the world's
most exciting, nor do they need to be for boating to be fun- which is
what this is all about.

As far as the 36-foot lobster boat goes: I would bet big money that
Harry owns his Parker.
Even one of his regional neighbors, John H, (who is no great fan of
Harry) confirms that he owns that boat. I would bet less money on the
lobster boat, only because Harry has been less than forthcoming with
any real details about the boat. He has claimed its because he is po'd
at Skipper and Skipper is demanding the information. As one who shares
Psuedo's Schidt List with Mr. Krause, I'm in a unique position to
appreciate that perspective. There are some guys to whom you'd hesitate
to offer a drink of water if you were crossing a desert in a tanker
truck and they were alongside the roadway dying of thirst. Me, I'd be
all grumpy about it but I'd probably give him some water. Can't speak
for Harry, however. :-)

Conclusion: I have no doubt that Harry owns the Parker. I am not
entirely convinced that Harry has more than some partial interest in a
Lobster boat- but I could be wrong, and it doesn't matter anyway.

I've never seen any claim by Harry that he has sailed around the horn
one or more times.

Krause made that claim 8 years ago in this NG. I thought at the time
that he might have sailed around the horn of *Floriduh* and was being
'cute' with his words again. But he was backed into a corner about his
claim and stood by his claim of sailing 'round THE Horn a "couple"
times. Later, we learned by engaging him in discussions about this area
that he never even did the horn of Floriduh...even once!

My boating adventures aren't the world's most exciting, nor do they need to
be for boating to be fun- which is what this is all about.

Then why do you belittle the real boating adventures of others?

As far as the 36-foot lobster boat goes: I would bet big money that
Harry owns his Parker.
Even one of his regional neighbors, John H, (who is no great fan of
Harry) confirms that he owns that boat. I would bet less money on the
lobster boat, only because Harry has been less than forthcoming with
any real details about the boat. He has claimed its because he is po'd
at Skipper and Skipper is demanding the information.

Skipper KNOWS Krause does not have that lobster boat. He's just tugging
on Krause's chain. Krause is like some others in this NG who cannot
admit a lie...if you know what I mean, Chucky.

As one who shares Psuedo's Schidt List with Mr. Krause, I'm in a unique position to
appreciate that perspective. There are some guys to whom you'd hesitate
to offer a drink of water if you were crossing a desert in a tanker
truck and they were alongside the roadway dying of thirst. Me, I'd be
all grumpy about it but I'd probably give him some water. Can't speak
for Harry, however.

You know, I'd bet most of the NG could detect the truth of our meetings
in Seattle based on both our statements. You have yet to come clean on
any of your (let's just call them misstatements). That Burger story is a
good example of illuminating the truth. It would seem most would
remember donating a pair of shoes to an oil spurting engine.

--
Skipper

wrote:

My foggy recollection of Skipper's boating knowledge seems to be that
he was very well read on the subject but lacked practical experience.
You could see how little tidbits of
one school of thought and those of another would get jumbled up into a
weird third (pretty unworkable) compromise......the sort of thing that
sets one off on a multi-year quest for the "perfect" boat, all the
while still unsure, (he claims) even whether he wants to go with power
or sail. Given the oportunity, (hard to find in KS), Dave might have
been able to vet the confilicting theories with some actual experience.

My impression is that Skipper has gone charter fishing (on boats owned
by others) down in the Gulf of California a few times or more. You may
recall a post where somebody found a photo of Skipper on a charter
boat operator's web site. It is from these experiences that he claims
extensive expertise regarding boating in the Sea of Cortez.

I doubt the 22-footer ever saw any sal****er, stories of braving 20-30
foot breaking waves down in Mexico with the little runabout
notwithstanding. In the latest version of the truth, I believe he now
claims he braved that "Torito" on a sailboat. Confuses heck out of me-
I can't figure out where you'd mount the mast on that runabout he used
to own, or why one would carry a collection of portable gas cans to
extend the range of a sailing vessel; and he previously insisted he
survived that storm in his Bayliner......oh well.

You are a real piece of... ... ...work, Chuckie.

--
Skipper