Global Warmings Puts Reefs in Peril
 

On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 17:44:47 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote:


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And meanwhile, Kevin is running around in his tin foil hat screaming
the
sky is falling.

I assume you have information indicating that the science behind this is
all wrong. Coral are not being affected as described. Your information
sounds interesting. Got links?
No, coral reefs have been dying, some from predators because man has eaten
or collected the king conch which is a predator of the starfish which eats
the coral and some from climate, particularly near the equator. Coral is
very fragile and lives in a very small temperature range - depth. As
temps increase it will move north of the equator provided there is a
shallow enough location for it to flourish.

The major problem at this time, especially in the great barrier reefs is
the Starfish.



Starfish? I wonder if the scientists mentioned in the article are aware of
that. (pardon my sarcasm)

Would those scientists receive their grants if they pointed to starfish?

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

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And meanwhile, Kevin is running around in his tin foil hat
screaming
the
sky is falling.

I assume you have information indicating that the science behind
this is
all wrong. Coral are not being affected as described. Your
information
sounds interesting. Got links?
No, coral reefs have been dying, some from predators because man has
eaten
or collected the king conch which is a predator of the starfish which
eats
the coral and some from climate, particularly near the equator.
Coral is
very fragile and lives in a very small temperature range - depth. As
temps
increase it will move north of the equator provided there is a
shallow
enough location for it to flourish.

The major problem at this time, especially in the great barrier reefs
is
the
Starfish.

Global climate change is a natural occurring sequence of warming and
cooling. Species die, other survive and new ones develop. It is
nothing to
get excited about..........and it certainly is not "Bush's fault"

Kevin is indeed acting as "chicken Little"

We're still going to need to see your data, imbecile. Prove that we are
having no measurable effect which can be lessened through behavioral
changes.

Temperature seems to play a role in coral bleaching. But there is ample
historical data of bleaching periods when ocean temps were *not* in an
elevated state. Science hasn't been able to come up with an explanation
to that paradox yet. So blaming it on global warming is lazy science.



Sometimes scientists test theories by NOT doing something to a test
subject, or stopping something that's already happening. Placebos would
be an example of the former.

But you're talking about destroying the global economy in the interest of
trying to prove/disprove of a theory.


That's pretty extreme. How do you figure that?

Global Warmings Puts Reefs in Peril
 

On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 17:53:13 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote:


"P Fritz" wrote in message
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"Jeff Rigby" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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And meanwhile, Kevin is running around in his tin foil hat screaming
the
sky is falling.

I assume you have information indicating that the science behind this
is
all wrong. Coral are not being affected as described. Your information
sounds interesting. Got links?
No, coral reefs have been dying, some from predators because man has
eaten
or collected the king conch which is a predator of the starfish which
eats
the coral and some from climate, particularly near the equator. Coral is
very fragile and lives in a very small temperature range - depth. As
temps
increase it will move north of the equator provided there is a shallow
enough location for it to flourish.

The major problem at this time, especially in the great barrier reefs is
the
Starfish.

Global climate change is a natural occurring sequence of warming and
cooling. Species die, other survive and new ones develop. It is nothing
to
get excited about..........and it certainly is not "Bush's fault"

Kevin is indeed acting as "chicken Little"

We're still going to need to see your data, imbecile. Prove that we are
having no measurable effect which can be lessened through behavioral
changes.


Prove that God doesn't exist. How would one prove a negative like that?

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

Global Warmings Puts Reefs in Peril
 

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And meanwhile, Kevin is running around in his tin foil hat
screaming
the
sky is falling.

I assume you have information indicating that the science behind
this is
all wrong. Coral are not being affected as described. Your
information
sounds interesting. Got links?
No, coral reefs have been dying, some from predators because man has
eaten
or collected the king conch which is a predator of the starfish
which eats
the coral and some from climate, particularly near the equator.
Coral is
very fragile and lives in a very small temperature range - depth.
As
temps
increase it will move north of the equator provided there is a
shallow
enough location for it to flourish.

The major problem at this time, especially in the great barrier
reefs is
the
Starfish.

Global climate change is a natural occurring sequence of warming and
cooling. Species die, other survive and new ones develop. It is
nothing to
get excited about..........and it certainly is not "Bush's fault"

Kevin is indeed acting as "chicken Little"

We're still going to need to see your data, imbecile. Prove that we
are having no measurable effect which can be lessened through
behavioral changes.

Temperature seems to play a role in coral bleaching. But there is ample
historical data of bleaching periods when ocean temps were *not* in an
elevated state. Science hasn't been able to come up with an
explanation to that paradox yet. So blaming it on global warming is
lazy science.



Sometimes scientists test theories by NOT doing something to a test
subject, or stopping something that's already happening. Placebos would
be an example of the former.

But you're talking about destroying the global economy in the interest of
trying to prove/disprove of a theory.


That's pretty extreme. How do you figure that?

What effect do you think immediate steep curbs on carbon monoxide output
would have on the world economy?

Global Warmings Puts Reefs in Peril
 

On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 18:28:09 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote:


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And meanwhile, Kevin is running around in his tin foil hat
screaming
the
sky is falling.

I assume you have information indicating that the science behind
this
is
all wrong. Coral are not being affected as described. Your
information
sounds interesting. Got links?
No, coral reefs have been dying, some from predators because man has
eaten
or collected the king conch which is a predator of the starfish which
eats
the coral and some from climate, particularly near the equator.
Coral
is
very fragile and lives in a very small temperature range - depth. As
temps
increase it will move north of the equator provided there is a
shallow
enough location for it to flourish.

The major problem at this time, especially in the great barrier reefs
is
the
Starfish.

Global climate change is a natural occurring sequence of warming and
cooling. Species die, other survive and new ones develop. It is
nothing
to
get excited about..........and it certainly is not "Bush's fault"

Kevin is indeed acting as "chicken Little"

We're still going to need to see your data, imbecile. Prove that we are
having no measurable effect which can be lessened through behavioral
changes.

Temperature seems to play a role in coral bleaching. But there is ample
historical data of bleaching periods when ocean temps were *not* in an
elevated state. Science hasn't been able to come up with an explanation
to
that paradox yet. So blaming it on global warming is lazy science.

The typical liebral "prove a negative" debate tactic is duly noted as
well.
Natural global climate change is a fact.........the ice age being just one
example. "Man made global climate change" is a hypothesis derived from
the
junk science world.

Back in the early 1980s, American doctors were asked to visit a remote
village in China to investigate why the rate of esophagus cancer was about
50 times higher than anyone had ever heard of. They found that a local
specialty, some sort of pickled cabbage, developed foam on top of the
fermenting stuff, and that this foam was considered a delicacy. It was also
loaded with nitrites, the ones we add to processed meats. They stopped the
locals from eating it. The rate of cancer dropped like a rock.

You *could* say that perhaps something else was introduced to the diet,
water or air and caused the improvement. But, proving a negative seems to
have worked.


They proved a positive. The foam was loaded with nitrates.

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

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And meanwhile, Kevin is running around in his tin foil hat
screaming
the
sky is falling.

I assume you have information indicating that the science behind
this is
all wrong. Coral are not being affected as described. Your
information
sounds interesting. Got links?
No, coral reefs have been dying, some from predators because man
has eaten
or collected the king conch which is a predator of the starfish
which eats
the coral and some from climate, particularly near the equator.
Coral is
very fragile and lives in a very small temperature range - depth.
As
temps
increase it will move north of the equator provided there is a
shallow
enough location for it to flourish.

The major problem at this time, especially in the great barrier
reefs is
the
Starfish.

Global climate change is a natural occurring sequence of warming and
cooling. Species die, other survive and new ones develop. It is
nothing to
get excited about..........and it certainly is not "Bush's fault"

Kevin is indeed acting as "chicken Little"

We're still going to need to see your data, imbecile. Prove that we
are having no measurable effect which can be lessened through
behavioral changes.

Temperature seems to play a role in coral bleaching. But there is
ample historical data of bleaching periods when ocean temps were *not*
in an elevated state. Science hasn't been able to come up with an
explanation to that paradox yet. So blaming it on global warming is
lazy science.



Sometimes scientists test theories by NOT doing something to a test
subject, or stopping something that's already happening. Placebos would
be an example of the former.

But you're talking about destroying the global economy in the interest
of trying to prove/disprove of a theory.


That's pretty extreme. How do you figure that?

What effect do you think immediate steep curbs on carbon monoxide output
would have on the world economy?



Pretty serious, but in all my years of watching pollution regs put in place,
I've never seen ONE that was immediate. You will now say that "immediate" is
what some people want, but you don't actually believe they expect such an
outcome. It's a negotiating tactic.

Global Warmings Puts Reefs in Peril
 

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On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 17:53:13 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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And meanwhile, Kevin is running around in his tin foil hat
screaming
the
sky is falling.

I assume you have information indicating that the science behind this
is
all wrong. Coral are not being affected as described. Your
information
sounds interesting. Got links?
No, coral reefs have been dying, some from predators because man has
eaten
or collected the king conch which is a predator of the starfish which
eats
the coral and some from climate, particularly near the equator. Coral
is
very fragile and lives in a very small temperature range - depth. As
temps
increase it will move north of the equator provided there is a shallow
enough location for it to flourish.

The major problem at this time, especially in the great barrier reefs
is
the
Starfish.

Global climate change is a natural occurring sequence of warming and
cooling. Species die, other survive and new ones develop. It is
nothing
to
get excited about..........and it certainly is not "Bush's fault"

Kevin is indeed acting as "chicken Little"

We're still going to need to see your data, imbecile. Prove that we are
having no measurable effect which can be lessened through behavioral
changes.


Prove that God doesn't exist. How would one prove a negative like that?

I have theories on that one, but it's in no way connected with the subject
we're discussing, which involves physical things.

Global Warmings Puts Reefs in Peril
 

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 17:53:13 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote:


"P Fritz" wrote in message
...

"Jeff Rigby" wrote in message
...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"P Fritz" wrote in message
...


And meanwhile, Kevin is running around in his tin foil hat screaming
the
sky is falling.

I assume you have information indicating that the science behind this
is
all wrong. Coral are not being affected as described. Your information
sounds interesting. Got links?
No, coral reefs have been dying, some from predators because man has
eaten
or collected the king conch which is a predator of the starfish which
eats
the coral and some from climate, particularly near the equator. Coral is
very fragile and lives in a very small temperature range - depth. As
temps
increase it will move north of the equator provided there is a shallow
enough location for it to flourish.

The major problem at this time, especially in the great barrier reefs is
the
Starfish.

Global climate change is a natural occurring sequence of warming and
cooling. Species die, other survive and new ones develop. It is nothing
to
get excited about..........and it certainly is not "Bush's fault"

Kevin is indeed acting as "chicken Little"

We're still going to need to see your data, imbecile. Prove that we are
having no measurable effect which can be lessened through behavioral
changes.


Prove that God doesn't exist. How would one prove a negative like that?

Prove that God DOES exist. That's a positive, so should be quite
plausible.

Global Warmings Puts Reefs in Peril
 

wrote:
On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 17:52:30 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

But he turned down the Kyoto protocol! All the warming happened in the last
4 1/2 years.

The US Senate, (in Clinton"s term) turned down Kyoto.

Yes, a republican held senate.

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This can't be. BushCo and the right wing lemmings say it isn't so!

Nearly Half of Coral Reefs in Peril
By The Associated Press

posted: 25 October 2005
12:26 pm ET


BANGKOK, Thailand (AP) -- Nearly half of the world's coral reefs may be
lost in the next 40 years unless urgent measures are taken to protect
them against the threat of climate change, according to a new report
released Tuesday by the World Conservation Union.
The Swiss-based organization called for the establishment of additional
marine protected areas to prevent further degradation by making corals
more robust and helping them resist bleaching.

"Twenty percent of the earth's coral reefs, arguably the richest of all
marine ecosystems, have been effectively destroyed today,'' said Carl
Gustaf Lundin, head of the agency's marine environment program who
helped write the report "Coral Reef Resilience and Resistance to
Bleaching.''

"Another 30 percent will become seriously depleted if no action is
taken within the next 20-40 years, with climate change being a major
factor for their loss,'' he said in a statement.

Coral bleaching is caused by increased surface temperatures in the high
seas and higher levels of sunlight caused by climate change. As
temperatures rise, the algae on which corals depend for food and color
die out, causing the coral to whiten, or "bleach.''

Prolonged bleaching conditions over ten weeks can eventually lead to
the death of the coral.

"Current predictions are that massive coral bleaching will become a
regular event over the next 50 years,'' Lundin said.

In its report, the organization said that marine parks reduce the
stress on coral reef ecosystems by reducing the impact of pollution and
overfishing.

The report also recommends a strategy for the establishment of a global
marine park network in the face of climate change, covering all
important marine ecosystems including coral reefs.

Other key strategies to enable coral reefs to be more resilient to
bleaching are sustainable fisheries management and integrated coastal
management, the report found.

"Destructive fishing practices such as blast or poison fishing can make
coral reef more vulnerable to bleaching,'' said The Nature
Conservancy's Rod Salm in a statement. "It can decrease coral cover or
deplete fish populations that are important for the coral reef
ecosystem.

If one area of the ocean becomes too warm to support coral life, then that
means that another area a little further away from the equator has
temperatures that better support coral life. Maybe the Key's coral reefs
will relocate to a more hospitable environment up by Harry. And maybe the
mollusks will follow...because God knows that they need a lot of mollusks
up
that way to filter all the verbal feces coming out of his region.

And meanwhile, Kevin is running around in his tin foil hat screaming the
sky is falling.


Just to show how dumb you are, Fitz, first, I'm not Kevin, but I do
realize you are too stupid to figure that out. Second, I didn't write
the article. Do you really think that you know more about the physical
condition of the earth's resources than the researchers at Harvard
School of Medicine? What are your qualifications?