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Global Warmings Puts Reefs in Peril
This can't be. BushCo and the right wing lemmings say it isn't so!
Nearly Half of Coral Reefs in Peril By The Associated Press posted: 25 October 2005 12:26 pm ET BANGKOK, Thailand (AP) -- Nearly half of the world's coral reefs may be lost in the next 40 years unless urgent measures are taken to protect them against the threat of climate change, according to a new report released Tuesday by the World Conservation Union. The Swiss-based organization called for the establishment of additional marine protected areas to prevent further degradation by making corals more robust and helping them resist bleaching. "Twenty percent of the earth's coral reefs, arguably the richest of all marine ecosystems, have been effectively destroyed today,'' said Carl Gustaf Lundin, head of the agency's marine environment program who helped write the report "Coral Reef Resilience and Resistance to Bleaching.'' "Another 30 percent will become seriously depleted if no action is taken within the next 20-40 years, with climate change being a major factor for their loss,'' he said in a statement. Coral bleaching is caused by increased surface temperatures in the high seas and higher levels of sunlight caused by climate change. As temperatures rise, the algae on which corals depend for food and color die out, causing the coral to whiten, or "bleach.'' Prolonged bleaching conditions over ten weeks can eventually lead to the death of the coral. "Current predictions are that massive coral bleaching will become a regular event over the next 50 years,'' Lundin said. In its report, the organization said that marine parks reduce the stress on coral reef ecosystems by reducing the impact of pollution and overfishing. The report also recommends a strategy for the establishment of a global marine park network in the face of climate change, covering all important marine ecosystems including coral reefs. Other key strategies to enable coral reefs to be more resilient to bleaching are sustainable fisheries management and integrated coastal management, the report found. "Destructive fishing practices such as blast or poison fishing can make coral reef more vulnerable to bleaching,'' said The Nature Conservancy's Rod Salm in a statement. "It can decrease coral cover or deplete fish populations that are important for the coral reef ecosystem. |
Global Warmings Puts Reefs in Peril
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oups.com... This can't be. BushCo and the right wing lemmings say it isn't so! I can't wait to hear the Christian reasons for coral bleaching. |
Global Warmings Puts Reefs in Peril
Doug Kanter wrote: wrote in message oups.com... This can't be. BushCo and the right wing lemmings say it isn't so! I can't wait to hear the Christian reasons for coral bleaching. Yep, it'll come soon enough. Got to wait just long enough for the lock stepping right wingers to show up. |
Global Warmings Puts Reefs in Peril
wrote in message oups.com... Doug Kanter wrote: wrote in message oups.com... This can't be. BushCo and the right wing lemmings say it isn't so! I can't wait to hear the Christian reasons for coral bleaching. Yep, it'll come soon enough. Got to wait just long enough for the lock stepping right wingers to show up. And God said "Children scrapeth their knees upon the coral. I shall smite it. It doth not do much anyway". |
Global Warmings Puts Reefs in Peril
wrote in message oups.com... This can't be. BushCo and the right wing lemmings say it isn't so! Nearly Half of Coral Reefs in Peril By The Associated Press posted: 25 October 2005 12:26 pm ET BANGKOK, Thailand (AP) -- Nearly half of the world's coral reefs may be lost in the next 40 years unless urgent measures are taken to protect them against the threat of climate change, according to a new report released Tuesday by the World Conservation Union. The Swiss-based organization called for the establishment of additional marine protected areas to prevent further degradation by making corals more robust and helping them resist bleaching. "Twenty percent of the earth's coral reefs, arguably the richest of all marine ecosystems, have been effectively destroyed today,'' said Carl Gustaf Lundin, head of the agency's marine environment program who helped write the report "Coral Reef Resilience and Resistance to Bleaching.'' "Another 30 percent will become seriously depleted if no action is taken within the next 20-40 years, with climate change being a major factor for their loss,'' he said in a statement. Coral bleaching is caused by increased surface temperatures in the high seas and higher levels of sunlight caused by climate change. As temperatures rise, the algae on which corals depend for food and color die out, causing the coral to whiten, or "bleach.'' Prolonged bleaching conditions over ten weeks can eventually lead to the death of the coral. "Current predictions are that massive coral bleaching will become a regular event over the next 50 years,'' Lundin said. In its report, the organization said that marine parks reduce the stress on coral reef ecosystems by reducing the impact of pollution and overfishing. The report also recommends a strategy for the establishment of a global marine park network in the face of climate change, covering all important marine ecosystems including coral reefs. Other key strategies to enable coral reefs to be more resilient to bleaching are sustainable fisheries management and integrated coastal management, the report found. "Destructive fishing practices such as blast or poison fishing can make coral reef more vulnerable to bleaching,'' said The Nature Conservancy's Rod Salm in a statement. "It can decrease coral cover or deplete fish populations that are important for the coral reef ecosystem. If one area of the ocean becomes too warm to support coral life, then that means that another area a little further away from the equator has temperatures that better support coral life. Maybe the Key's coral reefs will relocate to a more hospitable environment up by Harry. And maybe the mollusks will follow...because God knows that they need a lot of mollusks up that way to filter all the verbal feces coming out of his region. |
Global Warmings Puts Reefs in Peril
NOYB wrote: wrote in message oups.com... This can't be. BushCo and the right wing lemmings say it isn't so! Nearly Half of Coral Reefs in Peril By The Associated Press posted: 25 October 2005 12:26 pm ET BANGKOK, Thailand (AP) -- Nearly half of the world's coral reefs may be lost in the next 40 years unless urgent measures are taken to protect them against the threat of climate change, according to a new report released Tuesday by the World Conservation Union. The Swiss-based organization called for the establishment of additional marine protected areas to prevent further degradation by making corals more robust and helping them resist bleaching. "Twenty percent of the earth's coral reefs, arguably the richest of all marine ecosystems, have been effectively destroyed today,'' said Carl Gustaf Lundin, head of the agency's marine environment program who helped write the report "Coral Reef Resilience and Resistance to Bleaching.'' "Another 30 percent will become seriously depleted if no action is taken within the next 20-40 years, with climate change being a major factor for their loss,'' he said in a statement. Coral bleaching is caused by increased surface temperatures in the high seas and higher levels of sunlight caused by climate change. As temperatures rise, the algae on which corals depend for food and color die out, causing the coral to whiten, or "bleach.'' Prolonged bleaching conditions over ten weeks can eventually lead to the death of the coral. "Current predictions are that massive coral bleaching will become a regular event over the next 50 years,'' Lundin said. In its report, the organization said that marine parks reduce the stress on coral reef ecosystems by reducing the impact of pollution and overfishing. The report also recommends a strategy for the establishment of a global marine park network in the face of climate change, covering all important marine ecosystems including coral reefs. Other key strategies to enable coral reefs to be more resilient to bleaching are sustainable fisheries management and integrated coastal management, the report found. "Destructive fishing practices such as blast or poison fishing can make coral reef more vulnerable to bleaching,'' said The Nature Conservancy's Rod Salm in a statement. "It can decrease coral cover or deplete fish populations that are important for the coral reef ecosystem. If one area of the ocean becomes too warm to support coral life, then that means that another area a little further away from the equator has temperatures that better support coral life. Maybe the Key's coral reefs will relocate to a more hospitable environment up by Harry. And maybe the mollusks will follow...because God knows that they need a lot of mollusks up that way to filter all the verbal feces coming out of his region. Key word: "maybe". There are many factors besides temperature. |
Global Warmings Puts Reefs in Peril
"NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... wrote in message oups.com... This can't be. BushCo and the right wing lemmings say it isn't so! Nearly Half of Coral Reefs in Peril By The Associated Press posted: 25 October 2005 12:26 pm ET BANGKOK, Thailand (AP) -- Nearly half of the world's coral reefs may be lost in the next 40 years unless urgent measures are taken to protect them against the threat of climate change, according to a new report released Tuesday by the World Conservation Union. The Swiss-based organization called for the establishment of additional marine protected areas to prevent further degradation by making corals more robust and helping them resist bleaching. "Twenty percent of the earth's coral reefs, arguably the richest of all marine ecosystems, have been effectively destroyed today,'' said Carl Gustaf Lundin, head of the agency's marine environment program who helped write the report "Coral Reef Resilience and Resistance to Bleaching.'' "Another 30 percent will become seriously depleted if no action is taken within the next 20-40 years, with climate change being a major factor for their loss,'' he said in a statement. Coral bleaching is caused by increased surface temperatures in the high seas and higher levels of sunlight caused by climate change. As temperatures rise, the algae on which corals depend for food and color die out, causing the coral to whiten, or "bleach.'' Prolonged bleaching conditions over ten weeks can eventually lead to the death of the coral. "Current predictions are that massive coral bleaching will become a regular event over the next 50 years,'' Lundin said. In its report, the organization said that marine parks reduce the stress on coral reef ecosystems by reducing the impact of pollution and overfishing. The report also recommends a strategy for the establishment of a global marine park network in the face of climate change, covering all important marine ecosystems including coral reefs. Other key strategies to enable coral reefs to be more resilient to bleaching are sustainable fisheries management and integrated coastal management, the report found. "Destructive fishing practices such as blast or poison fishing can make coral reef more vulnerable to bleaching,'' said The Nature Conservancy's Rod Salm in a statement. "It can decrease coral cover or deplete fish populations that are important for the coral reef ecosystem. If one area of the ocean becomes too warm to support coral life, then that means that another area a little further away from the equator has temperatures that better support coral life. Maybe the Key's coral reefs will relocate to a more hospitable environment up by Harry. And maybe the mollusks will follow...because God knows that they need a lot of mollusks up that way to filter all the verbal feces coming out of his region. And meanwhile, Kevin is running around in his tin foil hat screaming the sky is falling. |
Global Warmings Puts Reefs in Peril
"P Fritz" wrote in message
... And meanwhile, Kevin is running around in his tin foil hat screaming the sky is falling. I assume you have information indicating that the science behind this is all wrong. Coral are not being affected as described. Your information sounds interesting. Got links? |
Global Warmings Puts Reefs in Peril
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "P Fritz" wrote in message ... And meanwhile, Kevin is running around in his tin foil hat screaming the sky is falling. I assume you have information indicating that the science behind this is all wrong. Coral are not being affected as described. Your information sounds interesting. Got links? No, coral reefs have been dying, some from predators because man has eaten or collected the king conch which is a predator of the starfish which eats the coral and some from climate, particularly near the equator. Coral is very fragile and lives in a very small temperature range - depth. As temps increase it will move north of the equator provided there is a shallow enough location for it to flourish. The major problem at this time, especially in the great barrier reefs is the Starfish. |
Global Warmings Puts Reefs in Peril
"Jeff Rigby" wrote in message ... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "P Fritz" wrote in message ... And meanwhile, Kevin is running around in his tin foil hat screaming the sky is falling. I assume you have information indicating that the science behind this is all wrong. Coral are not being affected as described. Your information sounds interesting. Got links? No, coral reefs have been dying, some from predators because man has eaten or collected the king conch which is a predator of the starfish which eats the coral and some from climate, particularly near the equator. Coral is very fragile and lives in a very small temperature range - depth. As temps increase it will move north of the equator provided there is a shallow enough location for it to flourish. The major problem at this time, especially in the great barrier reefs is the Starfish. Starfish? I wonder if the scientists mentioned in the article are aware of that. (pardon my sarcasm) |
Global Warmings Puts Reefs in Peril
"Jeff Rigby" wrote in message ... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "P Fritz" wrote in message ... And meanwhile, Kevin is running around in his tin foil hat screaming the sky is falling. I assume you have information indicating that the science behind this is all wrong. Coral are not being affected as described. Your information sounds interesting. Got links? No, coral reefs have been dying, some from predators because man has eaten or collected the king conch which is a predator of the starfish which eats the coral and some from climate, particularly near the equator. Coral is very fragile and lives in a very small temperature range - depth. As temps increase it will move north of the equator provided there is a shallow enough location for it to flourish. The major problem at this time, especially in the great barrier reefs is the Starfish. Global climate change is a natural occurring sequence of warming and cooling. Species die, other survive and new ones develop. It is nothing to get excited about..........and it certainly is not "Bush's fault" Kevin is indeed acting as "chicken Little" |
Global Warmings Puts Reefs in Peril
"P Fritz" wrote in message ... "Jeff Rigby" wrote in message ... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "P Fritz" wrote in message ... And meanwhile, Kevin is running around in his tin foil hat screaming the sky is falling. I assume you have information indicating that the science behind this is all wrong. Coral are not being affected as described. Your information sounds interesting. Got links? No, coral reefs have been dying, some from predators because man has eaten or collected the king conch which is a predator of the starfish which eats the coral and some from climate, particularly near the equator. Coral is very fragile and lives in a very small temperature range - depth. As temps increase it will move north of the equator provided there is a shallow enough location for it to flourish. The major problem at this time, especially in the great barrier reefs is the Starfish. Global climate change is a natural occurring sequence of warming and cooling. Species die, other survive and new ones develop. It is nothing to get excited about..........and it certainly is not "Bush's fault" But he turned down the Kyoto protocol! All the warming happened in the last 4 1/2 years. |
Global Warmings Puts Reefs in Peril
"P Fritz" wrote in message ... "Jeff Rigby" wrote in message ... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "P Fritz" wrote in message ... And meanwhile, Kevin is running around in his tin foil hat screaming the sky is falling. I assume you have information indicating that the science behind this is all wrong. Coral are not being affected as described. Your information sounds interesting. Got links? No, coral reefs have been dying, some from predators because man has eaten or collected the king conch which is a predator of the starfish which eats the coral and some from climate, particularly near the equator. Coral is very fragile and lives in a very small temperature range - depth. As temps increase it will move north of the equator provided there is a shallow enough location for it to flourish. The major problem at this time, especially in the great barrier reefs is the Starfish. Global climate change is a natural occurring sequence of warming and cooling. Species die, other survive and new ones develop. It is nothing to get excited about..........and it certainly is not "Bush's fault" Kevin is indeed acting as "chicken Little" We're still going to need to see your data, imbecile. Prove that we are having no measurable effect which can be lessened through behavioral changes. |
Global Warmings Puts Reefs in Peril
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "P Fritz" wrote in message ... "Jeff Rigby" wrote in message ... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "P Fritz" wrote in message ... And meanwhile, Kevin is running around in his tin foil hat screaming the sky is falling. I assume you have information indicating that the science behind this is all wrong. Coral are not being affected as described. Your information sounds interesting. Got links? No, coral reefs have been dying, some from predators because man has eaten or collected the king conch which is a predator of the starfish which eats the coral and some from climate, particularly near the equator. Coral is very fragile and lives in a very small temperature range - depth. As temps increase it will move north of the equator provided there is a shallow enough location for it to flourish. The major problem at this time, especially in the great barrier reefs is the Starfish. Global climate change is a natural occurring sequence of warming and cooling. Species die, other survive and new ones develop. It is nothing to get excited about..........and it certainly is not "Bush's fault" Kevin is indeed acting as "chicken Little" We're still going to need to see your data, imbecile. Prove that we are having no measurable effect which can be lessened through behavioral changes. Temperature seems to play a role in coral bleaching. But there is ample historical data of bleaching periods when ocean temps were *not* in an elevated state. Science hasn't been able to come up with an explanation to that paradox yet. So blaming it on global warming is lazy science. |
Global Warmings Puts Reefs in Peril
"NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "P Fritz" wrote in message ... "Jeff Rigby" wrote in message ... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "P Fritz" wrote in message ... And meanwhile, Kevin is running around in his tin foil hat screaming the sky is falling. I assume you have information indicating that the science behind this is all wrong. Coral are not being affected as described. Your information sounds interesting. Got links? No, coral reefs have been dying, some from predators because man has eaten or collected the king conch which is a predator of the starfish which eats the coral and some from climate, particularly near the equator. Coral is very fragile and lives in a very small temperature range - depth. As temps increase it will move north of the equator provided there is a shallow enough location for it to flourish. The major problem at this time, especially in the great barrier reefs is the Starfish. Global climate change is a natural occurring sequence of warming and cooling. Species die, other survive and new ones develop. It is nothing to get excited about..........and it certainly is not "Bush's fault" But he turned down the Kyoto protocol! All the warming happened in the last 4 1/2 years. You mean that treaty that would have allowed China and other "underdeveloped" countries to do whatever they wanted while corraling the US economy. Only an idiot like algore would buy into it. |
Global Warmings Puts Reefs in Peril
"NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "P Fritz" wrote in message ... "Jeff Rigby" wrote in message ... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "P Fritz" wrote in message ... And meanwhile, Kevin is running around in his tin foil hat screaming the sky is falling. I assume you have information indicating that the science behind this is all wrong. Coral are not being affected as described. Your information sounds interesting. Got links? No, coral reefs have been dying, some from predators because man has eaten or collected the king conch which is a predator of the starfish which eats the coral and some from climate, particularly near the equator. Coral is very fragile and lives in a very small temperature range - depth. As temps increase it will move north of the equator provided there is a shallow enough location for it to flourish. The major problem at this time, especially in the great barrier reefs is the Starfish. Global climate change is a natural occurring sequence of warming and cooling. Species die, other survive and new ones develop. It is nothing to get excited about..........and it certainly is not "Bush's fault" Kevin is indeed acting as "chicken Little" We're still going to need to see your data, imbecile. Prove that we are having no measurable effect which can be lessened through behavioral changes. Temperature seems to play a role in coral bleaching. But there is ample historical data of bleaching periods when ocean temps were *not* in an elevated state. Science hasn't been able to come up with an explanation to that paradox yet. So blaming it on global warming is lazy science. Sometimes scientists test theories by NOT doing something to a test subject, or stopping something that's already happening. Placebos would be an example of the former. |
Global Warmings Puts Reefs in Peril
"NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "P Fritz" wrote in message ... "Jeff Rigby" wrote in message ... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "P Fritz" wrote in message ... And meanwhile, Kevin is running around in his tin foil hat screaming the sky is falling. I assume you have information indicating that the science behind this is all wrong. Coral are not being affected as described. Your information sounds interesting. Got links? No, coral reefs have been dying, some from predators because man has eaten or collected the king conch which is a predator of the starfish which eats the coral and some from climate, particularly near the equator. Coral is very fragile and lives in a very small temperature range - depth. As temps increase it will move north of the equator provided there is a shallow enough location for it to flourish. The major problem at this time, especially in the great barrier reefs is the Starfish. Global climate change is a natural occurring sequence of warming and cooling. Species die, other survive and new ones develop. It is nothing to get excited about..........and it certainly is not "Bush's fault" Kevin is indeed acting as "chicken Little" We're still going to need to see your data, imbecile. Prove that we are having no measurable effect which can be lessened through behavioral changes. Temperature seems to play a role in coral bleaching. But there is ample historical data of bleaching periods when ocean temps were *not* in an elevated state. Science hasn't been able to come up with an explanation to that paradox yet. So blaming it on global warming is lazy science. The typical liebral "prove a negative" debate tactic is duly noted as well. Natural global climate change is a fact.........the ice age being just one example. "Man made global climate change" is a hypothesis derived from the junk science world. |
Global Warmings Puts Reefs in Peril
"P Fritz" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "P Fritz" wrote in message ... "Jeff Rigby" wrote in message ... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "P Fritz" wrote in message ... And meanwhile, Kevin is running around in his tin foil hat screaming the sky is falling. I assume you have information indicating that the science behind this is all wrong. Coral are not being affected as described. Your information sounds interesting. Got links? No, coral reefs have been dying, some from predators because man has eaten or collected the king conch which is a predator of the starfish which eats the coral and some from climate, particularly near the equator. Coral is very fragile and lives in a very small temperature range - depth. As temps increase it will move north of the equator provided there is a shallow enough location for it to flourish. The major problem at this time, especially in the great barrier reefs is the Starfish. Global climate change is a natural occurring sequence of warming and cooling. Species die, other survive and new ones develop. It is nothing to get excited about..........and it certainly is not "Bush's fault" Kevin is indeed acting as "chicken Little" We're still going to need to see your data, imbecile. Prove that we are having no measurable effect which can be lessened through behavioral changes. Temperature seems to play a role in coral bleaching. But there is ample historical data of bleaching periods when ocean temps were *not* in an elevated state. Science hasn't been able to come up with an explanation to that paradox yet. So blaming it on global warming is lazy science. The typical liebral "prove a negative" debate tactic is duly noted as well. Natural global climate change is a fact.........the ice age being just one example. "Man made global climate change" is a hypothesis derived from the junk science world. Back in the early 1980s, American doctors were asked to visit a remote village in China to investigate why the rate of esophagus cancer was about 50 times higher than anyone had ever heard of. They found that a local specialty, some sort of pickled cabbage, developed foam on top of the fermenting stuff, and that this foam was considered a delicacy. It was also loaded with nitrites, the ones we add to processed meats. They stopped the locals from eating it. The rate of cancer dropped like a rock. You *could* say that perhaps something else was introduced to the diet, water or air and caused the improvement. But, proving a negative seems to have worked. |
Global Warmings Puts Reefs in Peril
Not nice. His region is also my region. We could use some coral reefs in the bay, though. BTW, did
all this start with the Bush election? On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 17:10:12 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: wrote in message roups.com... This can't be. BushCo and the right wing lemmings say it isn't so! Nearly Half of Coral Reefs in Peril By The Associated Press posted: 25 October 2005 12:26 pm ET BANGKOK, Thailand (AP) -- Nearly half of the world's coral reefs may be lost in the next 40 years unless urgent measures are taken to protect them against the threat of climate change, according to a new report released Tuesday by the World Conservation Union. The Swiss-based organization called for the establishment of additional marine protected areas to prevent further degradation by making corals more robust and helping them resist bleaching. "Twenty percent of the earth's coral reefs, arguably the richest of all marine ecosystems, have been effectively destroyed today,'' said Carl Gustaf Lundin, head of the agency's marine environment program who helped write the report "Coral Reef Resilience and Resistance to Bleaching.'' "Another 30 percent will become seriously depleted if no action is taken within the next 20-40 years, with climate change being a major factor for their loss,'' he said in a statement. Coral bleaching is caused by increased surface temperatures in the high seas and higher levels of sunlight caused by climate change. As temperatures rise, the algae on which corals depend for food and color die out, causing the coral to whiten, or "bleach.'' Prolonged bleaching conditions over ten weeks can eventually lead to the death of the coral. "Current predictions are that massive coral bleaching will become a regular event over the next 50 years,'' Lundin said. In its report, the organization said that marine parks reduce the stress on coral reef ecosystems by reducing the impact of pollution and overfishing. The report also recommends a strategy for the establishment of a global marine park network in the face of climate change, covering all important marine ecosystems including coral reefs. Other key strategies to enable coral reefs to be more resilient to bleaching are sustainable fisheries management and integrated coastal management, the report found. "Destructive fishing practices such as blast or poison fishing can make coral reef more vulnerable to bleaching,'' said The Nature Conservancy's Rod Salm in a statement. "It can decrease coral cover or deplete fish populations that are important for the coral reef ecosystem. If one area of the ocean becomes too warm to support coral life, then that means that another area a little further away from the equator has temperatures that better support coral life. Maybe the Key's coral reefs will relocate to a more hospitable environment up by Harry. And maybe the mollusks will follow...because God knows that they need a lot of mollusks up that way to filter all the verbal feces coming out of his region. -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes |
Global Warmings Puts Reefs in Peril
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "P Fritz" wrote in message ... "Jeff Rigby" wrote in message ... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "P Fritz" wrote in message ... And meanwhile, Kevin is running around in his tin foil hat screaming the sky is falling. I assume you have information indicating that the science behind this is all wrong. Coral are not being affected as described. Your information sounds interesting. Got links? No, coral reefs have been dying, some from predators because man has eaten or collected the king conch which is a predator of the starfish which eats the coral and some from climate, particularly near the equator. Coral is very fragile and lives in a very small temperature range - depth. As temps increase it will move north of the equator provided there is a shallow enough location for it to flourish. The major problem at this time, especially in the great barrier reefs is the Starfish. Global climate change is a natural occurring sequence of warming and cooling. Species die, other survive and new ones develop. It is nothing to get excited about..........and it certainly is not "Bush's fault" Kevin is indeed acting as "chicken Little" We're still going to need to see your data, imbecile. Prove that we are having no measurable effect which can be lessened through behavioral changes. Temperature seems to play a role in coral bleaching. But there is ample historical data of bleaching periods when ocean temps were *not* in an elevated state. Science hasn't been able to come up with an explanation to that paradox yet. So blaming it on global warming is lazy science. Sometimes scientists test theories by NOT doing something to a test subject, or stopping something that's already happening. Placebos would be an example of the former. But you're talking about destroying the global economy in the interest of trying to prove/disprove of a theory. |
Global Warmings Puts Reefs in Peril
On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 17:44:47 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote:
"Jeff Rigby" wrote in message ... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "P Fritz" wrote in message ... And meanwhile, Kevin is running around in his tin foil hat screaming the sky is falling. I assume you have information indicating that the science behind this is all wrong. Coral are not being affected as described. Your information sounds interesting. Got links? No, coral reefs have been dying, some from predators because man has eaten or collected the king conch which is a predator of the starfish which eats the coral and some from climate, particularly near the equator. Coral is very fragile and lives in a very small temperature range - depth. As temps increase it will move north of the equator provided there is a shallow enough location for it to flourish. The major problem at this time, especially in the great barrier reefs is the Starfish. Starfish? I wonder if the scientists mentioned in the article are aware of that. (pardon my sarcasm) Would those scientists receive their grants if they pointed to starfish? -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes |
Global Warmings Puts Reefs in Peril
"NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "P Fritz" wrote in message ... "Jeff Rigby" wrote in message ... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "P Fritz" wrote in message ... And meanwhile, Kevin is running around in his tin foil hat screaming the sky is falling. I assume you have information indicating that the science behind this is all wrong. Coral are not being affected as described. Your information sounds interesting. Got links? No, coral reefs have been dying, some from predators because man has eaten or collected the king conch which is a predator of the starfish which eats the coral and some from climate, particularly near the equator. Coral is very fragile and lives in a very small temperature range - depth. As temps increase it will move north of the equator provided there is a shallow enough location for it to flourish. The major problem at this time, especially in the great barrier reefs is the Starfish. Global climate change is a natural occurring sequence of warming and cooling. Species die, other survive and new ones develop. It is nothing to get excited about..........and it certainly is not "Bush's fault" Kevin is indeed acting as "chicken Little" We're still going to need to see your data, imbecile. Prove that we are having no measurable effect which can be lessened through behavioral changes. Temperature seems to play a role in coral bleaching. But there is ample historical data of bleaching periods when ocean temps were *not* in an elevated state. Science hasn't been able to come up with an explanation to that paradox yet. So blaming it on global warming is lazy science. Sometimes scientists test theories by NOT doing something to a test subject, or stopping something that's already happening. Placebos would be an example of the former. But you're talking about destroying the global economy in the interest of trying to prove/disprove of a theory. That's pretty extreme. How do you figure that? |
Global Warmings Puts Reefs in Peril
On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 17:53:13 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote:
"P Fritz" wrote in message ... "Jeff Rigby" wrote in message ... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "P Fritz" wrote in message ... And meanwhile, Kevin is running around in his tin foil hat screaming the sky is falling. I assume you have information indicating that the science behind this is all wrong. Coral are not being affected as described. Your information sounds interesting. Got links? No, coral reefs have been dying, some from predators because man has eaten or collected the king conch which is a predator of the starfish which eats the coral and some from climate, particularly near the equator. Coral is very fragile and lives in a very small temperature range - depth. As temps increase it will move north of the equator provided there is a shallow enough location for it to flourish. The major problem at this time, especially in the great barrier reefs is the Starfish. Global climate change is a natural occurring sequence of warming and cooling. Species die, other survive and new ones develop. It is nothing to get excited about..........and it certainly is not "Bush's fault" Kevin is indeed acting as "chicken Little" We're still going to need to see your data, imbecile. Prove that we are having no measurable effect which can be lessened through behavioral changes. Prove that God doesn't exist. How would one prove a negative like that? -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes |
Global Warmings Puts Reefs in Peril
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "P Fritz" wrote in message ... "Jeff Rigby" wrote in message ... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "P Fritz" wrote in message ... And meanwhile, Kevin is running around in his tin foil hat screaming the sky is falling. I assume you have information indicating that the science behind this is all wrong. Coral are not being affected as described. Your information sounds interesting. Got links? No, coral reefs have been dying, some from predators because man has eaten or collected the king conch which is a predator of the starfish which eats the coral and some from climate, particularly near the equator. Coral is very fragile and lives in a very small temperature range - depth. As temps increase it will move north of the equator provided there is a shallow enough location for it to flourish. The major problem at this time, especially in the great barrier reefs is the Starfish. Global climate change is a natural occurring sequence of warming and cooling. Species die, other survive and new ones develop. It is nothing to get excited about..........and it certainly is not "Bush's fault" Kevin is indeed acting as "chicken Little" We're still going to need to see your data, imbecile. Prove that we are having no measurable effect which can be lessened through behavioral changes. Temperature seems to play a role in coral bleaching. But there is ample historical data of bleaching periods when ocean temps were *not* in an elevated state. Science hasn't been able to come up with an explanation to that paradox yet. So blaming it on global warming is lazy science. Sometimes scientists test theories by NOT doing something to a test subject, or stopping something that's already happening. Placebos would be an example of the former. But you're talking about destroying the global economy in the interest of trying to prove/disprove of a theory. That's pretty extreme. How do you figure that? What effect do you think immediate steep curbs on carbon monoxide output would have on the world economy? |
Global Warmings Puts Reefs in Peril
On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 18:28:09 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote:
"P Fritz" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "P Fritz" wrote in message ... "Jeff Rigby" wrote in message ... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "P Fritz" wrote in message ... And meanwhile, Kevin is running around in his tin foil hat screaming the sky is falling. I assume you have information indicating that the science behind this is all wrong. Coral are not being affected as described. Your information sounds interesting. Got links? No, coral reefs have been dying, some from predators because man has eaten or collected the king conch which is a predator of the starfish which eats the coral and some from climate, particularly near the equator. Coral is very fragile and lives in a very small temperature range - depth. As temps increase it will move north of the equator provided there is a shallow enough location for it to flourish. The major problem at this time, especially in the great barrier reefs is the Starfish. Global climate change is a natural occurring sequence of warming and cooling. Species die, other survive and new ones develop. It is nothing to get excited about..........and it certainly is not "Bush's fault" Kevin is indeed acting as "chicken Little" We're still going to need to see your data, imbecile. Prove that we are having no measurable effect which can be lessened through behavioral changes. Temperature seems to play a role in coral bleaching. But there is ample historical data of bleaching periods when ocean temps were *not* in an elevated state. Science hasn't been able to come up with an explanation to that paradox yet. So blaming it on global warming is lazy science. The typical liebral "prove a negative" debate tactic is duly noted as well. Natural global climate change is a fact.........the ice age being just one example. "Man made global climate change" is a hypothesis derived from the junk science world. Back in the early 1980s, American doctors were asked to visit a remote village in China to investigate why the rate of esophagus cancer was about 50 times higher than anyone had ever heard of. They found that a local specialty, some sort of pickled cabbage, developed foam on top of the fermenting stuff, and that this foam was considered a delicacy. It was also loaded with nitrites, the ones we add to processed meats. They stopped the locals from eating it. The rate of cancer dropped like a rock. You *could* say that perhaps something else was introduced to the diet, water or air and caused the improvement. But, proving a negative seems to have worked. They proved a positive. The foam was loaded with nitrates. -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes |
Global Warmings Puts Reefs in Peril
"NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "P Fritz" wrote in message ... "Jeff Rigby" wrote in message ... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "P Fritz" wrote in message ... And meanwhile, Kevin is running around in his tin foil hat screaming the sky is falling. I assume you have information indicating that the science behind this is all wrong. Coral are not being affected as described. Your information sounds interesting. Got links? No, coral reefs have been dying, some from predators because man has eaten or collected the king conch which is a predator of the starfish which eats the coral and some from climate, particularly near the equator. Coral is very fragile and lives in a very small temperature range - depth. As temps increase it will move north of the equator provided there is a shallow enough location for it to flourish. The major problem at this time, especially in the great barrier reefs is the Starfish. Global climate change is a natural occurring sequence of warming and cooling. Species die, other survive and new ones develop. It is nothing to get excited about..........and it certainly is not "Bush's fault" Kevin is indeed acting as "chicken Little" We're still going to need to see your data, imbecile. Prove that we are having no measurable effect which can be lessened through behavioral changes. Temperature seems to play a role in coral bleaching. But there is ample historical data of bleaching periods when ocean temps were *not* in an elevated state. Science hasn't been able to come up with an explanation to that paradox yet. So blaming it on global warming is lazy science. Sometimes scientists test theories by NOT doing something to a test subject, or stopping something that's already happening. Placebos would be an example of the former. But you're talking about destroying the global economy in the interest of trying to prove/disprove of a theory. That's pretty extreme. How do you figure that? What effect do you think immediate steep curbs on carbon monoxide output would have on the world economy? Pretty serious, but in all my years of watching pollution regs put in place, I've never seen ONE that was immediate. You will now say that "immediate" is what some people want, but you don't actually believe they expect such an outcome. It's a negotiating tactic. |
Global Warmings Puts Reefs in Peril
"John H." wrote in message ... On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 17:53:13 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "P Fritz" wrote in message ... "Jeff Rigby" wrote in message ... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "P Fritz" wrote in message ... And meanwhile, Kevin is running around in his tin foil hat screaming the sky is falling. I assume you have information indicating that the science behind this is all wrong. Coral are not being affected as described. Your information sounds interesting. Got links? No, coral reefs have been dying, some from predators because man has eaten or collected the king conch which is a predator of the starfish which eats the coral and some from climate, particularly near the equator. Coral is very fragile and lives in a very small temperature range - depth. As temps increase it will move north of the equator provided there is a shallow enough location for it to flourish. The major problem at this time, especially in the great barrier reefs is the Starfish. Global climate change is a natural occurring sequence of warming and cooling. Species die, other survive and new ones develop. It is nothing to get excited about..........and it certainly is not "Bush's fault" Kevin is indeed acting as "chicken Little" We're still going to need to see your data, imbecile. Prove that we are having no measurable effect which can be lessened through behavioral changes. Prove that God doesn't exist. How would one prove a negative like that? I have theories on that one, but it's in no way connected with the subject we're discussing, which involves physical things. |
Global Warmings Puts Reefs in Peril
John H. wrote: On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 17:53:13 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "P Fritz" wrote in message ... "Jeff Rigby" wrote in message ... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "P Fritz" wrote in message ... And meanwhile, Kevin is running around in his tin foil hat screaming the sky is falling. I assume you have information indicating that the science behind this is all wrong. Coral are not being affected as described. Your information sounds interesting. Got links? No, coral reefs have been dying, some from predators because man has eaten or collected the king conch which is a predator of the starfish which eats the coral and some from climate, particularly near the equator. Coral is very fragile and lives in a very small temperature range - depth. As temps increase it will move north of the equator provided there is a shallow enough location for it to flourish. The major problem at this time, especially in the great barrier reefs is the Starfish. Global climate change is a natural occurring sequence of warming and cooling. Species die, other survive and new ones develop. It is nothing to get excited about..........and it certainly is not "Bush's fault" Kevin is indeed acting as "chicken Little" We're still going to need to see your data, imbecile. Prove that we are having no measurable effect which can be lessened through behavioral changes. Prove that God doesn't exist. How would one prove a negative like that? Prove that God DOES exist. That's a positive, so should be quite plausible. |
Global Warmings Puts Reefs in Peril
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Global Warmings Puts Reefs in Peril
P Fritz wrote: "NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... wrote in message oups.com... This can't be. BushCo and the right wing lemmings say it isn't so! Nearly Half of Coral Reefs in Peril By The Associated Press posted: 25 October 2005 12:26 pm ET BANGKOK, Thailand (AP) -- Nearly half of the world's coral reefs may be lost in the next 40 years unless urgent measures are taken to protect them against the threat of climate change, according to a new report released Tuesday by the World Conservation Union. The Swiss-based organization called for the establishment of additional marine protected areas to prevent further degradation by making corals more robust and helping them resist bleaching. "Twenty percent of the earth's coral reefs, arguably the richest of all marine ecosystems, have been effectively destroyed today,'' said Carl Gustaf Lundin, head of the agency's marine environment program who helped write the report "Coral Reef Resilience and Resistance to Bleaching.'' "Another 30 percent will become seriously depleted if no action is taken within the next 20-40 years, with climate change being a major factor for their loss,'' he said in a statement. Coral bleaching is caused by increased surface temperatures in the high seas and higher levels of sunlight caused by climate change. As temperatures rise, the algae on which corals depend for food and color die out, causing the coral to whiten, or "bleach.'' Prolonged bleaching conditions over ten weeks can eventually lead to the death of the coral. "Current predictions are that massive coral bleaching will become a regular event over the next 50 years,'' Lundin said. In its report, the organization said that marine parks reduce the stress on coral reef ecosystems by reducing the impact of pollution and overfishing. The report also recommends a strategy for the establishment of a global marine park network in the face of climate change, covering all important marine ecosystems including coral reefs. Other key strategies to enable coral reefs to be more resilient to bleaching are sustainable fisheries management and integrated coastal management, the report found. "Destructive fishing practices such as blast or poison fishing can make coral reef more vulnerable to bleaching,'' said The Nature Conservancy's Rod Salm in a statement. "It can decrease coral cover or deplete fish populations that are important for the coral reef ecosystem. If one area of the ocean becomes too warm to support coral life, then that means that another area a little further away from the equator has temperatures that better support coral life. Maybe the Key's coral reefs will relocate to a more hospitable environment up by Harry. And maybe the mollusks will follow...because God knows that they need a lot of mollusks up that way to filter all the verbal feces coming out of his region. And meanwhile, Kevin is running around in his tin foil hat screaming the sky is falling. Just to show how dumb you are, Fitz, first, I'm not Kevin, but I do realize you are too stupid to figure that out. Second, I didn't write the article. Do you really think that you know more about the physical condition of the earth's resources than the researchers at Harvard School of Medicine? What are your qualifications? |
Global Warmings Puts Reefs in Peril
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "P Fritz" wrote in message ... And meanwhile, Kevin is running around in his tin foil hat screaming the sky is falling. I assume you have information indicating that the science behind this is all wrong. Coral are not being affected as described. Your information sounds interesting. Got links? Coral is even more affected by starfish. We have had global warming and cooling for eons. The coral survives. Survived enough to make atolls in the Pacific. The question is what is causing Global Warming. A group of non-physical scientists came up with the Kyoto Agreement, and blamed it all on mankind. Why did we have a mimi-iceage 10,000 years ago. Mankind not burn enough wood? |
Global Warmings Puts Reefs in Peril
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "Jeff Rigby" wrote in message ... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "P Fritz" wrote in message ... And meanwhile, Kevin is running around in his tin foil hat screaming the sky is falling. I assume you have information indicating that the science behind this is all wrong. Coral are not being affected as described. Your information sounds interesting. Got links? No, coral reefs have been dying, some from predators because man has eaten or collected the king conch which is a predator of the starfish which eats the coral and some from climate, particularly near the equator. Coral is very fragile and lives in a very small temperature range - depth. As temps increase it will move north of the equator provided there is a shallow enough location for it to flourish. The major problem at this time, especially in the great barrier reefs is the Starfish. Starfish? I wonder if the scientists mentioned in the article are aware of that. (pardon my sarcasm) Yes the scientist do. Research "Crown of Thorns starfish". |
Global Warmings Puts Reefs in Peril
"Bill McKee" wrote in message ink.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "Jeff Rigby" wrote in message ... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "P Fritz" wrote in message ... And meanwhile, Kevin is running around in his tin foil hat screaming the sky is falling. I assume you have information indicating that the science behind this is all wrong. Coral are not being affected as described. Your information sounds interesting. Got links? No, coral reefs have been dying, some from predators because man has eaten or collected the king conch which is a predator of the starfish which eats the coral and some from climate, particularly near the equator. Coral is very fragile and lives in a very small temperature range - depth. As temps increase it will move north of the equator provided there is a shallow enough location for it to flourish. The major problem at this time, especially in the great barrier reefs is the Starfish. Starfish? I wonder if the scientists mentioned in the article are aware of that. (pardon my sarcasm) Yes the scientist do. Research "Crown of Thorns starfish". OK. Just making sure. Any scientist who wants to be published will know that he/she has to show that factors like this have been taken into consideration. |
Global Warmings Puts Reefs in Peril
"Bill McKee" wrote in message ink.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "P Fritz" wrote in message ... And meanwhile, Kevin is running around in his tin foil hat screaming the sky is falling. I assume you have information indicating that the science behind this is all wrong. Coral are not being affected as described. Your information sounds interesting. Got links? Coral is even more affected by starfish. We have had global warming and cooling for eons. The coral survives. Survived enough to make atolls in the Pacific. The question is what is causing Global Warming. A group of non-physical scientists came up with the Kyoto Agreement, and blamed it all on mankind. Why did we have a mimi-iceage 10,000 years ago. Mankind not burn enough wood? What if they're right? Or, more important, is is possible for there to be ANY evidence that would convince you? |
Global Warmings Puts Reefs in Peril
Doug Kanter wrote: "P Fritz" wrote in message ... And meanwhile, Kevin is running around in his tin foil hat screaming the sky is falling. I assume you have information indicating that the science behind this is all wrong. Coral are not being affected as described. Your information sounds interesting. Got links? Doug, don't expect an intelligent answer from Fritz!!! You'll get nothing but childish name calling. |
Global Warmings Puts Reefs in Peril
wrote in message oups.com... Doug Kanter wrote: "P Fritz" wrote in message ... And meanwhile, Kevin is running around in his tin foil hat screaming the sky is falling. I assume you have information indicating that the science behind this is all wrong. Coral are not being affected as described. Your information sounds interesting. Got links? Doug, don't expect an intelligent answer from Fritz!!! You'll get nothing but childish name calling. I think he's got me filtered. Either that, or he doesn't respond to questions for which the answers don't involve the word "lieberal". :-) |
Global Warmings Puts Reefs in Peril
Bill McKee wrote: "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "P Fritz" wrote in message ... And meanwhile, Kevin is running around in his tin foil hat screaming the sky is falling. I assume you have information indicating that the science behind this is all wrong. Coral are not being affected as described. Your information sounds interesting. Got links? Coral is even more affected by starfish. We have had global warming and cooling for eons. The coral survives. Survived enough to make atolls in the Pacific. The question is what is causing Global Warming. A group of non-physical scientists came up with the Kyoto Agreement, and blamed it all on mankind. Why did we have a mimi-iceage 10,000 years ago. Mankind not burn enough wood? It's the RATE of change in global temperature. Funny coincedence for you non-science christian right wingers, the rate of change in global temperature is in direct correlation with the amount of CFC's in the air.....hmmmm...... |
Global Warmings Puts Reefs in Peril
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message ink.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "P Fritz" wrote in message ... And meanwhile, Kevin is running around in his tin foil hat screaming the sky is falling. I assume you have information indicating that the science behind this is all wrong. Coral are not being affected as described. Your information sounds interesting. Got links? Coral is even more affected by starfish. We have had global warming and cooling for eons. The coral survives. Survived enough to make atolls in the Pacific. The question is what is causing Global Warming. A group of non-physical scientists came up with the Kyoto Agreement, and blamed it all on mankind. Why did we have a mimi-iceage 10,000 years ago. Mankind not burn enough wood? What if they're right? Or, more important, is is possible for there to be ANY evidence that would convince you? One major volcanic eruption spews more ozone depleting chemicals in a week than mankind does in years. When Krakatoa erupted in 1883, upper Midwesterners almost starved that year. Between the ash and chemicals, it induced a volcano winter. Was snow in the Midwest in July and the corn crop failed. We are seeing more solar activity. This does not count? maybe it is man and all the political spewing that is contaminating the air and causing the hot air warming. These same "Scientists" were predicting a mini-iceage circa 1970. Maybe ice age grant money dried up. As to Kyoto. Would only hamper the US. France, being 80% nuclear at the time, was posice to make a killing selling electric power. China, could still go along, burning excess amounts of dirty coal, and no penalty, as they are a "Backwards" country. China is the biggest cause of mercury in tuna and other pelegic fish. All that coal burning release of mercury has to go somewhere, and that is out over the Pacific. |
Global Warmings Puts Reefs in Peril
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Doug Kanter wrote: "Bill McKee" wrote in message ink.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "P Fritz" wrote in message ... And meanwhile, Kevin is running around in his tin foil hat screaming the sky is falling. I assume you have information indicating that the science behind this is all wrong. Coral are not being affected as described. Your information sounds interesting. Got links? Coral is even more affected by starfish. We have had global warming and cooling for eons. The coral survives. Survived enough to make atolls in the Pacific. The question is what is causing Global Warming. A group of non-physical scientists came up with the Kyoto Agreement, and blamed it all on mankind. Why did we have a mimi-iceage 10,000 years ago. Mankind not burn enough wood? What if they're right? Or, more important, is is possible for there to be ANY evidence that would convince you? McKee, like most Republicans, buys into the "we have nothing to do with global warming" argument because he thinks taking it seriously might result in some sort of "restrictions." His dismissal of the evidence that exists has nothing to do with science, or, in fact, anything but conservative politics. Ergo, there is no evidence that would convince him otherwise. And where is your scientific proof that Global warming is 100% man's fault? Oh, forgot, you are not a scientist. |
Global Warmings Puts Reefs in Peril
wrote in message ups.com... Bill McKee wrote: "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "P Fritz" wrote in message ... And meanwhile, Kevin is running around in his tin foil hat screaming the sky is falling. I assume you have information indicating that the science behind this is all wrong. Coral are not being affected as described. Your information sounds interesting. Got links? Coral is even more affected by starfish. We have had global warming and cooling for eons. The coral survives. Survived enough to make atolls in the Pacific. The question is what is causing Global Warming. A group of non-physical scientists came up with the Kyoto Agreement, and blamed it all on mankind. Why did we have a mimi-iceage 10,000 years ago. Mankind not burn enough wood? It's the RATE of change in global temperature. Funny coincedence for you non-science christian right wingers, the rate of change in global temperature is in direct correlation with the amount of CFC's in the air.....hmmmm...... Proof? If it was so obvious, why are not all scientists, at least the hard sciences, on board? |
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