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OT Insurance Co Warns About Global Warming Cost
Jeez, if Harvard Medical School and UN Development program would just
ask BushCo and the right wing lemmings, they'd know that there isn't such a thing as global warming. Insurance Company Warns of Global Warming's Costs By Robert Roy Britt LiveScience Managing Editor posted: 01 November 2005 04:34 pm ET One of the world's largest insurers warned today of the economic costs of global warming. "Climate change will significantly affect the health of humans and ecosystems and these impacts will have economic consequences," concludes a new study cosponsored by Swiss Re, a global re-insurance company. The research was done by the Center for Health and the Global Environment at Harvard Medical School and also sponsored by the United Nations Development Program. Costs already rising In the report, 10 case studies outline current effects of climate change, from infectious diseases such as malaria and West Nile virus to extreme weather events such as heat waves and floods. Changes to forests, agriculture, marine habitat and water were considered. Economic implications as well as possible near-future impacts are projected for each case. Lyme disease is increasing in North America as warmer winters allow ticks to proliferate, the study concludes. Ragweed pollen growth, stimulated by increasing levels of carbon dioxide, may be contributing to the rising incidence of asthma, the scientists say. Broad implications "We found that impacts of climate change are likely to lead to ramifications that overlap in several areas including our health, our economy and the natural systems on which we depend," said Dr. Paul Epstein, the study's lead author and Associate Director of the Center for Health and the Global Environment at Harvard Medical School. "Analysis of the potential ripple effects stemming from an unstable climate shows the need for more sustainable practices to safeguard and insure a healthy future." Swiss Re is a global re-insurance company, meaning it assumes the risk from the smaller insurance companies that individuals and businesses deal with. It has been warning about the costs of climate change since at least 2003. "Whereas most discussions on climate change impacts hone in on the natural sciences, with little to no mention of potential economic consequences, this report provides a crucial look at physical and economic aspects of climate change," Jacques Dubois, Chairman of Swiss Re America Holding Corporation. "It also assesses current risks and potential business opportunities that can help minimize future risks." |
OT Insurance Co Warns About Global Warming Cost
wrote in message oups.com... Jeez, if Harvard Medical School and UN Development program would just ask BushCo and the right wing lemmings, they'd know that there isn't such a thing as global warming. Insurance Company Warns of Global Warming's Costs By Robert Roy Britt LiveScience Managing Editor posted: 01 November 2005 04:34 pm ET One of the world's largest insurers warned today of the economic costs of global warming. "Climate change will significantly affect the health of humans and ecosystems and these impacts will have economic consequences," concludes a new study cosponsored by Swiss Re, a global re-insurance company. The research was done by the Center for Health and the Global Environment at Harvard Medical School and also sponsored by the United Nations Development Program. Costs already rising In the report, 10 case studies outline current effects of climate change, from infectious diseases such as malaria and West Nile virus to extreme weather events such as heat waves and floods. Changes to forests, agriculture, marine habitat and water were considered. Economic implications as well as possible near-future impacts are projected for each case. Lyme disease is increasing in North America as warmer winters allow ticks to proliferate, the study concludes. Ragweed pollen growth, stimulated by increasing levels of carbon dioxide, may be contributing to the rising incidence of asthma, the scientists say. Broad implications "We found that impacts of climate change are likely to lead to ramifications that overlap in several areas including our health, our economy and the natural systems on which we depend," said Dr. Paul Epstein, the study's lead author and Associate Director of the Center for Health and the Global Environment at Harvard Medical School. "Analysis of the potential ripple effects stemming from an unstable climate shows the need for more sustainable practices to safeguard and insure a healthy future." Swiss Re is a global re-insurance company, meaning it assumes the risk from the smaller insurance companies that individuals and businesses deal with. It has been warning about the costs of climate change since at least 2003. "Whereas most discussions on climate change impacts hone in on the natural sciences, with little to no mention of potential economic consequences, this report provides a crucial look at physical and economic aspects of climate change," Jacques Dubois, Chairman of Swiss Re America Holding Corporation. "It also assesses current risks and potential business opportunities that can help minimize future risks." The debate is not over global warming, it is over the causes. |
OT Insurance Co Warns About Global Warming Cost
Bill McKee wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Jeez, if Harvard Medical School and UN Development program would just ask BushCo and the right wing lemmings, they'd know that there isn't such a thing as global warming. Insurance Company Warns of Global Warming's Costs By Robert Roy Britt LiveScience Managing Editor posted: 01 November 2005 04:34 pm ET One of the world's largest insurers warned today of the economic costs of global warming. "Climate change will significantly affect the health of humans and ecosystems and these impacts will have economic consequences," concludes a new study cosponsored by Swiss Re, a global re-insurance company. The research was done by the Center for Health and the Global Environment at Harvard Medical School and also sponsored by the United Nations Development Program. Costs already rising In the report, 10 case studies outline current effects of climate change, from infectious diseases such as malaria and West Nile virus to extreme weather events such as heat waves and floods. Changes to forests, agriculture, marine habitat and water were considered. Economic implications as well as possible near-future impacts are projected for each case. Lyme disease is increasing in North America as warmer winters allow ticks to proliferate, the study concludes. Ragweed pollen growth, stimulated by increasing levels of carbon dioxide, may be contributing to the rising incidence of asthma, the scientists say. Broad implications "We found that impacts of climate change are likely to lead to ramifications that overlap in several areas including our health, our economy and the natural systems on which we depend," said Dr. Paul Epstein, the study's lead author and Associate Director of the Center for Health and the Global Environment at Harvard Medical School. "Analysis of the potential ripple effects stemming from an unstable climate shows the need for more sustainable practices to safeguard and insure a healthy future." Swiss Re is a global re-insurance company, meaning it assumes the risk from the smaller insurance companies that individuals and businesses deal with. It has been warning about the costs of climate change since at least 2003. "Whereas most discussions on climate change impacts hone in on the natural sciences, with little to no mention of potential economic consequences, this report provides a crucial look at physical and economic aspects of climate change," Jacques Dubois, Chairman of Swiss Re America Holding Corporation. "It also assesses current risks and potential business opportunities that can help minimize future risks." The debate is not over global warming, it is over the causes. If good, clean, proper science shows (and it does) that CFC's are a major contributor to global warming, then BushCo says that that science is wrong, then the debate is also whether it is happening. You see, it's happening at a FASTER RATE than ever before. What a remarkable coincedence that CFC's are at higher levels than ever before. So, in a way you are correct, but you are also wrong, because the administration is saying that the science doesn't support the fact that warming is happening at a higher rate than ever before. |
OT Insurance Co Warns About Global Warming Cost
Bill,
The problem I have with ignoring Global Warming, is the consequences are so severe if they are correct and you are wrong. We know pollution is harmful to humans and the ecosystem, we need to start making substantial reductions in pollution and impose substantial tariffs and penalties on those countries that don't. "Bill McKee" wrote in message ink.net... wrote in message oups.com... Jeez, if Harvard Medical School and UN Development program would just ask BushCo and the right wing lemmings, they'd know that there isn't such a thing as global warming. Insurance Company Warns of Global Warming's Costs By Robert Roy Britt LiveScience Managing Editor posted: 01 November 2005 04:34 pm ET One of the world's largest insurers warned today of the economic costs of global warming. "Climate change will significantly affect the health of humans and ecosystems and these impacts will have economic consequences," concludes a new study cosponsored by Swiss Re, a global re-insurance company. The research was done by the Center for Health and the Global Environment at Harvard Medical School and also sponsored by the United Nations Development Program. Costs already rising In the report, 10 case studies outline current effects of climate change, from infectious diseases such as malaria and West Nile virus to extreme weather events such as heat waves and floods. Changes to forests, agriculture, marine habitat and water were considered. Economic implications as well as possible near-future impacts are projected for each case. Lyme disease is increasing in North America as warmer winters allow ticks to proliferate, the study concludes. Ragweed pollen growth, stimulated by increasing levels of carbon dioxide, may be contributing to the rising incidence of asthma, the scientists say. Broad implications "We found that impacts of climate change are likely to lead to ramifications that overlap in several areas including our health, our economy and the natural systems on which we depend," said Dr. Paul Epstein, the study's lead author and Associate Director of the Center for Health and the Global Environment at Harvard Medical School. "Analysis of the potential ripple effects stemming from an unstable climate shows the need for more sustainable practices to safeguard and insure a healthy future." Swiss Re is a global re-insurance company, meaning it assumes the risk from the smaller insurance companies that individuals and businesses deal with. It has been warning about the costs of climate change since at least 2003. "Whereas most discussions on climate change impacts hone in on the natural sciences, with little to no mention of potential economic consequences, this report provides a crucial look at physical and economic aspects of climate change," Jacques Dubois, Chairman of Swiss Re America Holding Corporation. "It also assesses current risks and potential business opportunities that can help minimize future risks." The debate is not over global warming, it is over the causes. |
OT Insurance Co Warns About Global Warming Cost
"Dr. Dr. Smithers" Ask Me about my Phd @ Diploma Mill .com wrote in message . .. Bill, The problem I have with ignoring Global Warming, is the consequences are so severe if they are correct and you are wrong. We know pollution is harmful to humans and the ecosystem, we need to start making substantial reductions in pollution and impose substantial tariffs and penalties on those countries that don't. I assume you'd include our country with those penalties. |
OT Insurance Co Warns About Global Warming Cost
wrote in message ups.com... Bill McKee wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Jeez, if Harvard Medical School and UN Development program would just ask BushCo and the right wing lemmings, they'd know that there isn't such a thing as global warming. Insurance Company Warns of Global Warming's Costs By Robert Roy Britt LiveScience Managing Editor posted: 01 November 2005 04:34 pm ET One of the world's largest insurers warned today of the economic costs of global warming. "Climate change will significantly affect the health of humans and ecosystems and these impacts will have economic consequences," concludes a new study cosponsored by Swiss Re, a global re-insurance company. The research was done by the Center for Health and the Global Environment at Harvard Medical School and also sponsored by the United Nations Development Program. Costs already rising In the report, 10 case studies outline current effects of climate change, from infectious diseases such as malaria and West Nile virus to extreme weather events such as heat waves and floods. Changes to forests, agriculture, marine habitat and water were considered. Economic implications as well as possible near-future impacts are projected for each case. Lyme disease is increasing in North America as warmer winters allow ticks to proliferate, the study concludes. Ragweed pollen growth, stimulated by increasing levels of carbon dioxide, may be contributing to the rising incidence of asthma, the scientists say. Broad implications "We found that impacts of climate change are likely to lead to ramifications that overlap in several areas including our health, our economy and the natural systems on which we depend," said Dr. Paul Epstein, the study's lead author and Associate Director of the Center for Health and the Global Environment at Harvard Medical School. "Analysis of the potential ripple effects stemming from an unstable climate shows the need for more sustainable practices to safeguard and insure a healthy future." Swiss Re is a global re-insurance company, meaning it assumes the risk from the smaller insurance companies that individuals and businesses deal with. It has been warning about the costs of climate change since at least 2003. "Whereas most discussions on climate change impacts hone in on the natural sciences, with little to no mention of potential economic consequences, this report provides a crucial look at physical and economic aspects of climate change," Jacques Dubois, Chairman of Swiss Re America Holding Corporation. "It also assesses current risks and potential business opportunities that can help minimize future risks." The debate is not over global warming, it is over the causes. If good, clean, proper science shows (and it does) that CFC's are a major contributor to global warming, then BushCo says that that science is wrong, then the debate is also whether it is happening. You see, it's happening at a FASTER RATE than ever before. What a remarkable coincedence that CFC's are at higher levels than ever before. So, in a way you are correct, but you are also wrong, because the administration is saying that the science doesn't support the fact that warming is happening at a higher rate than ever before. Faster than ever before. You been here for 1,000,000 years? 20 miles of Glacier Bay melted in about 1860. Not come back. Who did the CFC thing? |
OT Insurance Co Warns About Global Warming Cost
The debate is not over global warming, it is over the causes. Pollution is
another matter. The 2 dirtiest polluters are the old USSR and the present day China. Is a rare day that the sun is seen in China, due to all the smog. "Dr. Dr. Smithers" Ask Me about my Phd @ Diploma Mill .com wrote in message . .. Bill, The problem I have with ignoring Global Warming, is the consequences are so severe if they are correct and you are wrong. We know pollution is harmful to humans and the ecosystem, we need to start making substantial reductions in pollution and impose substantial tariffs and penalties on those countries that don't. "Bill McKee" wrote in message ink.net... wrote in message oups.com... Jeez, if Harvard Medical School and UN Development program would just ask BushCo and the right wing lemmings, they'd know that there isn't such a thing as global warming. Insurance Company Warns of Global Warming's Costs By Robert Roy Britt LiveScience Managing Editor posted: 01 November 2005 04:34 pm ET One of the world's largest insurers warned today of the economic costs of global warming. "Climate change will significantly affect the health of humans and ecosystems and these impacts will have economic consequences," concludes a new study cosponsored by Swiss Re, a global re-insurance company. The research was done by the Center for Health and the Global Environment at Harvard Medical School and also sponsored by the United Nations Development Program. Costs already rising In the report, 10 case studies outline current effects of climate change, from infectious diseases such as malaria and West Nile virus to extreme weather events such as heat waves and floods. Changes to forests, agriculture, marine habitat and water were considered. Economic implications as well as possible near-future impacts are projected for each case. Lyme disease is increasing in North America as warmer winters allow ticks to proliferate, the study concludes. Ragweed pollen growth, stimulated by increasing levels of carbon dioxide, may be contributing to the rising incidence of asthma, the scientists say. Broad implications "We found that impacts of climate change are likely to lead to ramifications that overlap in several areas including our health, our economy and the natural systems on which we depend," said Dr. Paul Epstein, the study's lead author and Associate Director of the Center for Health and the Global Environment at Harvard Medical School. "Analysis of the potential ripple effects stemming from an unstable climate shows the need for more sustainable practices to safeguard and insure a healthy future." Swiss Re is a global re-insurance company, meaning it assumes the risk from the smaller insurance companies that individuals and businesses deal with. It has been warning about the costs of climate change since at least 2003. "Whereas most discussions on climate change impacts hone in on the natural sciences, with little to no mention of potential economic consequences, this report provides a crucial look at physical and economic aspects of climate change," Jacques Dubois, Chairman of Swiss Re America Holding Corporation. "It also assesses current risks and potential business opportunities that can help minimize future risks." The debate is not over global warming, it is over the causes. |
OT Insurance Co Warns About Global Warming Cost
Kevin remains as clueless as ever
"Bill McKee" wrote in message ink.net... wrote in message oups.com... Jeez, if Harvard Medical School and UN Development program would just ask BushCo and the right wing lemmings, they'd know that there isn't such a thing as global warming. Insurance Company Warns of Global Warming's Costs By Robert Roy Britt LiveScience Managing Editor posted: 01 November 2005 04:34 pm ET One of the world's largest insurers warned today of the economic costs of global warming. "Climate change will significantly affect the health of humans and ecosystems and these impacts will have economic consequences," concludes a new study cosponsored by Swiss Re, a global re-insurance company. The research was done by the Center for Health and the Global Environment at Harvard Medical School and also sponsored by the United Nations Development Program. Costs already rising In the report, 10 case studies outline current effects of climate change, from infectious diseases such as malaria and West Nile virus to extreme weather events such as heat waves and floods. Changes to forests, agriculture, marine habitat and water were considered. Economic implications as well as possible near-future impacts are projected for each case. Lyme disease is increasing in North America as warmer winters allow ticks to proliferate, the study concludes. Ragweed pollen growth, stimulated by increasing levels of carbon dioxide, may be contributing to the rising incidence of asthma, the scientists say. Broad implications "We found that impacts of climate change are likely to lead to ramifications that overlap in several areas including our health, our economy and the natural systems on which we depend," said Dr. Paul Epstein, the study's lead author and Associate Director of the Center for Health and the Global Environment at Harvard Medical School. "Analysis of the potential ripple effects stemming from an unstable climate shows the need for more sustainable practices to safeguard and insure a healthy future." Swiss Re is a global re-insurance company, meaning it assumes the risk from the smaller insurance companies that individuals and businesses deal with. It has been warning about the costs of climate change since at least 2003. "Whereas most discussions on climate change impacts hone in on the natural sciences, with little to no mention of potential economic consequences, this report provides a crucial look at physical and economic aspects of climate change," Jacques Dubois, Chairman of Swiss Re America Holding Corporation. "It also assesses current risks and potential business opportunities that can help minimize future risks." The debate is not over global warming, it is over the causes. |
OT Insurance Co Warns About Global Warming Cost
The consequences IF they were correct are minimal compared to natural
cycles, the impact to the world population to make such reductions would be substantial. "Dr. Dr. Smithers" Ask Me about my Phd @ Diploma Mill .com wrote in message . .. Bill, The problem I have with ignoring Global Warming, is the consequences are so severe if they are correct and you are wrong. We know pollution is harmful to humans and the ecosystem, we need to start making substantial reductions in pollution and impose substantial tariffs and penalties on those countries that don't. "Bill McKee" wrote in message ink.net... wrote in message oups.com... Jeez, if Harvard Medical School and UN Development program would just ask BushCo and the right wing lemmings, they'd know that there isn't such a thing as global warming. Insurance Company Warns of Global Warming's Costs By Robert Roy Britt LiveScience Managing Editor posted: 01 November 2005 04:34 pm ET One of the world's largest insurers warned today of the economic costs of global warming. "Climate change will significantly affect the health of humans and ecosystems and these impacts will have economic consequences," concludes a new study cosponsored by Swiss Re, a global re-insurance company. The research was done by the Center for Health and the Global Environment at Harvard Medical School and also sponsored by the United Nations Development Program. Costs already rising In the report, 10 case studies outline current effects of climate change, from infectious diseases such as malaria and West Nile virus to extreme weather events such as heat waves and floods. Changes to forests, agriculture, marine habitat and water were considered. Economic implications as well as possible near-future impacts are projected for each case. Lyme disease is increasing in North America as warmer winters allow ticks to proliferate, the study concludes. Ragweed pollen growth, stimulated by increasing levels of carbon dioxide, may be contributing to the rising incidence of asthma, the scientists say. Broad implications "We found that impacts of climate change are likely to lead to ramifications that overlap in several areas including our health, our economy and the natural systems on which we depend," said Dr. Paul Epstein, the study's lead author and Associate Director of the Center for Health and the Global Environment at Harvard Medical School. "Analysis of the potential ripple effects stemming from an unstable climate shows the need for more sustainable practices to safeguard and insure a healthy future." Swiss Re is a global re-insurance company, meaning it assumes the risk from the smaller insurance companies that individuals and businesses deal with. It has been warning about the costs of climate change since at least 2003. "Whereas most discussions on climate change impacts hone in on the natural sciences, with little to no mention of potential economic consequences, this report provides a crucial look at physical and economic aspects of climate change," Jacques Dubois, Chairman of Swiss Re America Holding Corporation. "It also assesses current risks and potential business opportunities that can help minimize future risks." The debate is not over global warming, it is over the causes. |
OT Insurance Co Warns About Global Warming Cost
"Bill McKee" wrote in message nk.net... wrote in message ups.com... Bill McKee wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Jeez, if Harvard Medical School and UN Development program would just ask BushCo and the right wing lemmings, they'd know that there isn't such a thing as global warming. Insurance Company Warns of Global Warming's Costs By Robert Roy Britt LiveScience Managing Editor posted: 01 November 2005 04:34 pm ET One of the world's largest insurers warned today of the economic costs of global warming. "Climate change will significantly affect the health of humans and ecosystems and these impacts will have economic consequences," concludes a new study cosponsored by Swiss Re, a global re-insurance company. The research was done by the Center for Health and the Global Environment at Harvard Medical School and also sponsored by the United Nations Development Program. Costs already rising In the report, 10 case studies outline current effects of climate change, from infectious diseases such as malaria and West Nile virus to extreme weather events such as heat waves and floods. Changes to forests, agriculture, marine habitat and water were considered. Economic implications as well as possible near-future impacts are projected for each case. Lyme disease is increasing in North America as warmer winters allow ticks to proliferate, the study concludes. Ragweed pollen growth, stimulated by increasing levels of carbon dioxide, may be contributing to the rising incidence of asthma, the scientists say. Broad implications "We found that impacts of climate change are likely to lead to ramifications that overlap in several areas including our health, our economy and the natural systems on which we depend," said Dr. Paul Epstein, the study's lead author and Associate Director of the Center for Health and the Global Environment at Harvard Medical School. "Analysis of the potential ripple effects stemming from an unstable climate shows the need for more sustainable practices to safeguard and insure a healthy future." Swiss Re is a global re-insurance company, meaning it assumes the risk from the smaller insurance companies that individuals and businesses deal with. It has been warning about the costs of climate change since at least 2003. "Whereas most discussions on climate change impacts hone in on the natural sciences, with little to no mention of potential economic consequences, this report provides a crucial look at physical and economic aspects of climate change," Jacques Dubois, Chairman of Swiss Re America Holding Corporation. "It also assesses current risks and potential business opportunities that can help minimize future risks." The debate is not over global warming, it is over the causes. If good, clean, proper science shows (and it does) that CFC's are a major contributor to global warming, then BushCo says that that science is wrong, then the debate is also whether it is happening. You see, it's happening at a FASTER RATE than ever before. What a remarkable coincedence that CFC's are at higher levels than ever before. So, in a way you are correct, but you are also wrong, because the administration is saying that the science doesn't support the fact that warming is happening at a higher rate than ever before. Faster than ever before. You been here for 1,000,000 years? 20 miles of Glacier Bay melted in about 1860. Not come back. Who did the CFC thing? "So what drives global climate, if not greenhouse gas concentrations? Well, maybe it's the sun. There are three variables affecting the Earth's orbit--orbit shape, tilt, and wobble--which profoundly affect weather patterns. The Earth's orbit does not form a circle as it moves around the sun--it forms an ellipse, passing further away from the sun at one end of the orbit than it does at the other end. During a 100,000-year cycle, the tug of other planets on the Earth causes its orbit to change shape. It shifts from a short, broad ellipse that keeps the Earth closer to the sun, to a long flat ellipse that allows it to move farther from the sun and back again. At the same time the Earth is orbiting, it also spins around an axis that tilts lower and then higher during a 41,000-year cycle. Close to the poles, the contrast between winter and summer is greatest when the tilt is large. The Earth wobbles because it is spinning around an axis that tilts back and forth. Thus, a temperature drop occurs in the Northern Hemisphere when it tilts away from the sun; then the same thing happens in the Southern Hemisphere and again in the North, in a 22,000-year cycle. We know from simple physics that the additional energy added to the climate system by the doubling of atmospheric CO2 is about four watts per square meter (W/m2)--a very small amount of energy when compared to the 342 watts per square meter added by the sun's radiation at the top of the atmosphere, and small also when compared to natural variations in the amount of radiation the sun sends toward the Earth. The possible increase in energy stored in the atmosphere due to human activity is also small when compared to uncertainties in the computer simulations of the Earth's climate used to predict global warming. For example, knowledge of the amount of energy flowing from the equator to the poles is uncertain by an amount equivalent to 25 to 30 W/m2. The amount of sunlight absorbed by the atmosphere or reflected by the surface is also uncertain, by as much as 25 W/m2. Some computer models include adjustments to the energy flows of as much as 100 W/m2. Imprecise treatment of the effect of clouds may introduce another 25 W/m2 of uncertainty into the basic computations. (2) These uncertainties are many times larger than the four W/m2 input of energy believed to result from a doubling of CO2 concentration in the atmosphere. It is difficult to see how the climate impact of the four W/m2 can be accurately calculated in the face of such huge uncertainties. As a consequence, forecasts based on the computer simulations of climate may not even be meaningful at this time." http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=15726 |
OT Insurance Co Warns About Global Warming Cost
Doug,
Absolutely, and if the other countries implemented tariffs and less than preferred status on US products, we would very quickly jump on the bandwagon. We also can not allow the developing countries a pass on environmental regulations. "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "Dr. Dr. Smithers" Ask Me about my Phd @ Diploma Mill .com wrote in message . .. Bill, The problem I have with ignoring Global Warming, is the consequences are so severe if they are correct and you are wrong. We know pollution is harmful to humans and the ecosystem, we need to start making substantial reductions in pollution and impose substantial tariffs and penalties on those countries that don't. I assume you'd include our country with those penalties. |
OT Insurance Co Warns About Global Warming Cost
On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 19:43:10 -0500, "P. Fritz"
wrote: "Bill McKee" wrote in message ink.net... wrote in message ups.com... Bill McKee wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Jeez, if Harvard Medical School and UN Development program would just ask BushCo and the right wing lemmings, they'd know that there isn't such a thing as global warming. Insurance Company Warns of Global Warming's Costs By Robert Roy Britt LiveScience Managing Editor posted: 01 November 2005 04:34 pm ET One of the world's largest insurers warned today of the economic costs of global warming. "Climate change will significantly affect the health of humans and ecosystems and these impacts will have economic consequences," concludes a new study cosponsored by Swiss Re, a global re-insurance company. The research was done by the Center for Health and the Global Environment at Harvard Medical School and also sponsored by the United Nations Development Program. Costs already rising In the report, 10 case studies outline current effects of climate change, from infectious diseases such as malaria and West Nile virus to extreme weather events such as heat waves and floods. Changes to forests, agriculture, marine habitat and water were considered. Economic implications as well as possible near-future impacts are projected for each case. Lyme disease is increasing in North America as warmer winters allow ticks to proliferate, the study concludes. Ragweed pollen growth, stimulated by increasing levels of carbon dioxide, may be contributing to the rising incidence of asthma, the scientists say. Broad implications "We found that impacts of climate change are likely to lead to ramifications that overlap in several areas including our health, our economy and the natural systems on which we depend," said Dr. Paul Epstein, the study's lead author and Associate Director of the Center for Health and the Global Environment at Harvard Medical School. "Analysis of the potential ripple effects stemming from an unstable climate shows the need for more sustainable practices to safeguard and insure a healthy future." Swiss Re is a global re-insurance company, meaning it assumes the risk from the smaller insurance companies that individuals and businesses deal with. It has been warning about the costs of climate change since at least 2003. "Whereas most discussions on climate change impacts hone in on the natural sciences, with little to no mention of potential economic consequences, this report provides a crucial look at physical and economic aspects of climate change," Jacques Dubois, Chairman of Swiss Re America Holding Corporation. "It also assesses current risks and potential business opportunities that can help minimize future risks." The debate is not over global warming, it is over the causes. If good, clean, proper science shows (and it does) that CFC's are a major contributor to global warming, then BushCo says that that science is wrong, then the debate is also whether it is happening. You see, it's happening at a FASTER RATE than ever before. What a remarkable coincedence that CFC's are at higher levels than ever before. So, in a way you are correct, but you are also wrong, because the administration is saying that the science doesn't support the fact that warming is happening at a higher rate than ever before. Faster than ever before. You been here for 1,000,000 years? 20 miles of Glacier Bay melted in about 1860. Not come back. Who did the CFC thing? "So what drives global climate, if not greenhouse gas concentrations? Well, maybe it's the sun. There are three variables affecting the Earth's orbit--orbit shape, tilt, and wobble--which profoundly affect weather patterns. The Earth's orbit does not form a circle as it moves around the sun--it forms an ellipse, passing further away from the sun at one end of the orbit than it does at the other end. During a 100,000-year cycle, the tug of other planets on the Earth causes its orbit to change shape. It shifts from a short, broad ellipse that keeps the Earth closer to the sun, to a long flat ellipse that allows it to move farther from the sun and back again. At the same time the Earth is orbiting, it also spins around an axis that tilts lower and then higher during a 41,000-year cycle. Close to the poles, the contrast between winter and summer is greatest when the tilt is large. The Earth wobbles because it is spinning around an axis that tilts back and forth. Thus, a temperature drop occurs in the Northern Hemisphere when it tilts away from the sun; then the same thing happens in the Southern Hemisphere and again in the North, in a 22,000-year cycle. We know from simple physics that the additional energy added to the climate system by the doubling of atmospheric CO2 is about four watts per square meter (W/m2)--a very small amount of energy when compared to the 342 watts per square meter added by the sun's radiation at the top of the atmosphere, and small also when compared to natural variations in the amount of radiation the sun sends toward the Earth. The possible increase in energy stored in the atmosphere due to human activity is also small when compared to uncertainties in the computer simulations of the Earth's climate used to predict global warming. For example, knowledge of the amount of energy flowing from the equator to the poles is uncertain by an amount equivalent to 25 to 30 W/m2. The amount of sunlight absorbed by the atmosphere or reflected by the surface is also uncertain, by as much as 25 W/m2. Some computer models include adjustments to the energy flows of as much as 100 W/m2. Imprecise treatment of the effect of clouds may introduce another 25 W/m2 of uncertainty into the basic computations. (2) These uncertainties are many times larger than the four W/m2 input of energy believed to result from a doubling of CO2 concentration in the atmosphere. It is difficult to see how the climate impact of the four W/m2 can be accurately calculated in the face of such huge uncertainties. As a consequence, forecasts based on the computer simulations of climate may not even be meaningful at this time." http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=15726 Here is a site that shows average annual temps various places in the world. http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/station_data/ Pick out an area and see what the average annual temps have been. Note that the temps of high population areas rises at a higher rate than does that for urban areas. In most places that I looked, if the area was urban, and the data went back a 100 years or so, there was very little change. -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes |
OT Insurance Co Warns About Global Warming Cost
"Global warming" is the biggest hoax in the history of the world.
Ron M. |
OT Insurance Co Warns About Global Warming Cost
"Ron M." wrote in message ups.com... "Global warming" is the biggest hoax in the history of the world. Ron M. Not really. The world has had many cycles of Global Warming and Global Cooling. 10,000 years ago, Yosemite was full of ice. And Devils Postpile near Mammoth, Calif. was 4-600' tall. If you do not think that we will not have more of the same, you are naive. |
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"John H." wrote in message ... On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 19:43:10 -0500, "P. Fritz" wrote: "Bill McKee" wrote in message link.net... wrote in message ups.com... Bill McKee wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Jeez, if Harvard Medical School and UN Development program would just ask BushCo and the right wing lemmings, they'd know that there isn't such a thing as global warming. Insurance Company Warns of Global Warming's Costs By Robert Roy Britt LiveScience Managing Editor posted: 01 November 2005 04:34 pm ET One of the world's largest insurers warned today of the economic costs of global warming. "Climate change will significantly affect the health of humans and ecosystems and these impacts will have economic consequences," concludes a new study cosponsored by Swiss Re, a global re-insurance company. The research was done by the Center for Health and the Global Environment at Harvard Medical School and also sponsored by the United Nations Development Program. Costs already rising In the report, 10 case studies outline current effects of climate change, from infectious diseases such as malaria and West Nile virus to extreme weather events such as heat waves and floods. Changes to forests, agriculture, marine habitat and water were considered. Economic implications as well as possible near-future impacts are projected for each case. Lyme disease is increasing in North America as warmer winters allow ticks to proliferate, the study concludes. Ragweed pollen growth, stimulated by increasing levels of carbon dioxide, may be contributing to the rising incidence of asthma, the scientists say. Broad implications "We found that impacts of climate change are likely to lead to ramifications that overlap in several areas including our health, our economy and the natural systems on which we depend," said Dr. Paul Epstein, the study's lead author and Associate Director of the Center for Health and the Global Environment at Harvard Medical School. "Analysis of the potential ripple effects stemming from an unstable climate shows the need for more sustainable practices to safeguard and insure a healthy future." Swiss Re is a global re-insurance company, meaning it assumes the risk from the smaller insurance companies that individuals and businesses deal with. It has been warning about the costs of climate change since at least 2003. "Whereas most discussions on climate change impacts hone in on the natural sciences, with little to no mention of potential economic consequences, this report provides a crucial look at physical and economic aspects of climate change," Jacques Dubois, Chairman of Swiss Re America Holding Corporation. "It also assesses current risks and potential business opportunities that can help minimize future risks." The debate is not over global warming, it is over the causes. If good, clean, proper science shows (and it does) that CFC's are a major contributor to global warming, then BushCo says that that science is wrong, then the debate is also whether it is happening. You see, it's happening at a FASTER RATE than ever before. What a remarkable coincedence that CFC's are at higher levels than ever before. So, in a way you are correct, but you are also wrong, because the administration is saying that the science doesn't support the fact that warming is happening at a higher rate than ever before. Faster than ever before. You been here for 1,000,000 years? 20 miles of Glacier Bay melted in about 1860. Not come back. Who did the CFC thing? "So what drives global climate, if not greenhouse gas concentrations? Well, maybe it's the sun. There are three variables affecting the Earth's orbit--orbit shape, tilt, and wobble--which profoundly affect weather patterns. The Earth's orbit does not form a circle as it moves around the sun--it forms an ellipse, passing further away from the sun at one end of the orbit than it does at the other end. During a 100,000-year cycle, the tug of other planets on the Earth causes its orbit to change shape. It shifts from a short, broad ellipse that keeps the Earth closer to the sun, to a long flat ellipse that allows it to move farther from the sun and back again. At the same time the Earth is orbiting, it also spins around an axis that tilts lower and then higher during a 41,000-year cycle. Close to the poles, the contrast between winter and summer is greatest when the tilt is large. The Earth wobbles because it is spinning around an axis that tilts back and forth. Thus, a temperature drop occurs in the Northern Hemisphere when it tilts away from the sun; then the same thing happens in the Southern Hemisphere and again in the North, in a 22,000-year cycle. We know from simple physics that the additional energy added to the climate system by the doubling of atmospheric CO2 is about four watts per square meter (W/m2)--a very small amount of energy when compared to the 342 watts per square meter added by the sun's radiation at the top of the atmosphere, and small also when compared to natural variations in the amount of radiation the sun sends toward the Earth. The possible increase in energy stored in the atmosphere due to human activity is also small when compared to uncertainties in the computer simulations of the Earth's climate used to predict global warming. For example, knowledge of the amount of energy flowing from the equator to the poles is uncertain by an amount equivalent to 25 to 30 W/m2. The amount of sunlight absorbed by the atmosphere or reflected by the surface is also uncertain, by as much as 25 W/m2. Some computer models include adjustments to the energy flows of as much as 100 W/m2. Imprecise treatment of the effect of clouds may introduce another 25 W/m2 of uncertainty into the basic computations. (2) These uncertainties are many times larger than the four W/m2 input of energy believed to result from a doubling of CO2 concentration in the atmosphere. It is difficult to see how the climate impact of the four W/m2 can be accurately calculated in the face of such huge uncertainties. As a consequence, forecasts based on the computer simulations of climate may not even be meaningful at this time." http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=15726 Here is a site that shows average annual temps various places in the world. http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/station_data/ Pick out an area and see what the average annual temps have been. Note that the temps of high population areas rises at a higher rate than does that for urban areas. In most places that I looked, if the area was urban, and the data went back a 100 years or so, there was very little change. -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes There are hypothesis that the Urban areas are measured incorrectly. Most readings are from ground based thermometers, and over the years the areas around the thermometers have been built up a lot. And the extra buildings add an error to the reading. Spaced based readings have not changed much over the years. Lots less than the ground based readings. |
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No....it is way down the list.
The first "I have a 36 ft. zimmerman like lobsta boat" The second would be "I did not have sex with that woman....Monica Lewinsky" The third "Bush lied about the war" heehee "Ron M." wrote in message ups.com... "Global warming" is the biggest hoax in the history of the world. Ron M. |
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"Dr. Dr. Smithers" Ask Me about my Phd @ Diploma Mill .com wrote in
message ... Doug, Absolutely, and if the other countries implemented tariffs and less than preferred status on US products, we would very quickly jump on the bandwagon. We also can not allow the developing countries a pass on environmental regulations. Good! Write to your lawbreaker and demand that the system of pollution credits (aka "passes") be dismantled immediately. |
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On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 03:51:10 GMT, "Bill McKee"
wrote: "John H." wrote in message .. . Here is a site that shows average annual temps various places in the world. http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/station_data/ Pick out an area and see what the average annual temps have been. Note that the temps of high population areas rises at a higher rate than does that for urban areas. In most places that I looked, if the area was urban, and the data went back a 100 years or so, there was very little change. -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes There are hypothesis that the Urban areas are measured incorrectly. Most readings are from ground based thermometers, and over the years the areas around the thermometers have been built up a lot. And the extra buildings add an error to the reading. Spaced based readings have not changed much over the years. Lots less than the ground based readings. Yes, the temp rise in urban areas would seem to be related to the quantity of concrete in urban areas. This would indicate that a return to wooden buildings with straw roofs would be in order. Asphalt and concrete roads also retain heat much better than dirt roads, so we should go back to dirt roads. -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes |
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On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 23:03:07 -0500, "P. Fritz"
wrote: No....it is way down the list. The first "I have a 36 ft. zimmerman like lobsta boat" The second would be "I did not have sex with that woman....Monica Lewinsky" The third "Bush lied about the war" heehee "Ron M." wrote in message oups.com... "Global warming" is the biggest hoax in the history of the world. Ron M. LOL! -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes |
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"John H." wrote in message ... On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 03:51:10 GMT, "Bill McKee" wrote: "John H." wrote in message . .. Here is a site that shows average annual temps various places in the world. http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/station_data/ Pick out an area and see what the average annual temps have been. Note that the temps of high population areas rises at a higher rate than does that for urban areas. In most places that I looked, if the area was urban, and the data went back a 100 years or so, there was very little change. -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes There are hypothesis that the Urban areas are measured incorrectly. Most readings are from ground based thermometers, and over the years the areas around the thermometers have been built up a lot. And the extra buildings add an error to the reading. Spaced based readings have not changed much over the years. Lots less than the ground based readings. Yes, the temp rise in urban areas would seem to be related to the quantity of concrete in urban areas. This would indicate that a return to wooden buildings with straw roofs would be in order. Asphalt and concrete roads also retain heat much better than dirt roads, so we should go back to dirt roads. You're such a visionary. How about requiring that companies use existing empty commercial real estate, rather than mowing down green space until there's nothing left but a few weeds poking out of the cracks? |
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On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 14:11:11 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote: "John H." wrote in message .. . On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 03:51:10 GMT, "Bill McKee" wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... Here is a site that shows average annual temps various places in the world. http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/station_data/ Pick out an area and see what the average annual temps have been. Note that the temps of high population areas rises at a higher rate than does that for urban areas. In most places that I looked, if the area was urban, and the data went back a 100 years or so, there was very little change. -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes There are hypothesis that the Urban areas are measured incorrectly. Most readings are from ground based thermometers, and over the years the areas around the thermometers have been built up a lot. And the extra buildings add an error to the reading. Spaced based readings have not changed much over the years. Lots less than the ground based readings. Yes, the temp rise in urban areas would seem to be related to the quantity of concrete in urban areas. This would indicate that a return to wooden buildings with straw roofs would be in order. Asphalt and concrete roads also retain heat much better than dirt roads, so we should go back to dirt roads. You're such a visionary. How about requiring that companies use existing empty commercial real estate, rather than mowing down green space until there's nothing left but a few weeds poking out of the cracks? Sounds like a good idea. I've also seen the use of gravel in parking lots, instead of concrete. Gravel allows water to penetrate and not become more polluting run-off. -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes |
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"John H." wrote in message ... On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 14:11:11 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "John H." wrote in message . .. On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 03:51:10 GMT, "Bill McKee" wrote: "John H." wrote in message m... Here is a site that shows average annual temps various places in the world. http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/station_data/ Pick out an area and see what the average annual temps have been. Note that the temps of high population areas rises at a higher rate than does that for urban areas. In most places that I looked, if the area was urban, and the data went back a 100 years or so, there was very little change. -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes There are hypothesis that the Urban areas are measured incorrectly. Most readings are from ground based thermometers, and over the years the areas around the thermometers have been built up a lot. And the extra buildings add an error to the reading. Spaced based readings have not changed much over the years. Lots less than the ground based readings. Yes, the temp rise in urban areas would seem to be related to the quantity of concrete in urban areas. This would indicate that a return to wooden buildings with straw roofs would be in order. Asphalt and concrete roads also retain heat much better than dirt roads, so we should go back to dirt roads. You're such a visionary. How about requiring that companies use existing empty commercial real estate, rather than mowing down green space until there's nothing left but a few weeds poking out of the cracks? Sounds like a good idea. I've also seen the use of gravel in parking lots, instead of concrete. Gravel allows water to penetrate and not become more polluting run-off. We're talking about heat retention here. And, gravel would be an insane idea in huge parking lots where snow needs to be plowed for 4-5 months per year. |
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"John H." wrote in message ... On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 14:11:11 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "John H." wrote in message .. . On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 03:51:10 GMT, "Bill McKee" wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... Here is a site that shows average annual temps various places in the world. http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/station_data/ Pick out an area and see what the average annual temps have been. Note that the temps of high population areas rises at a higher rate than does that for urban areas. In most places that I looked, if the area was urban, and the data went back a 100 years or so, there was very little change. -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes There are hypothesis that the Urban areas are measured incorrectly. Most readings are from ground based thermometers, and over the years the areas around the thermometers have been built up a lot. And the extra buildings add an error to the reading. Spaced based readings have not changed much over the years. Lots less than the ground based readings. Yes, the temp rise in urban areas would seem to be related to the quantity of concrete in urban areas. This would indicate that a return to wooden buildings with straw roofs would be in order. Asphalt and concrete roads also retain heat much better than dirt roads, so we should go back to dirt roads. You're such a visionary. How about requiring that companies use existing empty commercial real estate, rather than mowing down green space until there's nothing left but a few weeds poking out of the cracks? Sounds like a good idea. I've also seen the use of gravel in parking lots, instead of concrete. Gravel allows water to penetrate and not become more polluting run-off. Doug hits a hot button with that comment. So much of the urban sprawl is the direct result of guvmint and environmentalists. From the regulations and lawsuit exposure of "brownfield" development, to the "open space" requirements of tree hugging suburbanites, to the illl thought interstate highways cutting through the middle of cities, to the endless expansion of water and sewer systems because they are one of the few money making ventures of city guvmints............it has all helped create this vast waste of resources by means of low density sprawl across the country. -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes |
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"John H." wrote in message ... On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 14:11:11 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "John H." wrote in message . .. On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 03:51:10 GMT, "Bill McKee" wrote: "John H." wrote in message m... Here is a site that shows average annual temps various places in the world. http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/station_data/ Pick out an area and see what the average annual temps have been. Note that the temps of high population areas rises at a higher rate than does that for urban areas. In most places that I looked, if the area was urban, and the data went back a 100 years or so, there was very little change. -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes There are hypothesis that the Urban areas are measured incorrectly. Most readings are from ground based thermometers, and over the years the areas around the thermometers have been built up a lot. And the extra buildings add an error to the reading. Spaced based readings have not changed much over the years. Lots less than the ground based readings. Yes, the temp rise in urban areas would seem to be related to the quantity of concrete in urban areas. This would indicate that a return to wooden buildings with straw roofs would be in order. Asphalt and concrete roads also retain heat much better than dirt roads, so we should go back to dirt roads. You're such a visionary. How about requiring that companies use existing empty commercial real estate, rather than mowing down green space until there's nothing left but a few weeds poking out of the cracks? Sounds like a good idea. I've also seen the use of gravel in parking lots, instead of concrete. Gravel allows water to penetrate and not become more polluting run-off. The insurance companies wouldn't like that. All of the rocks that get kicked up and ding the cars. The cars dings would need to be repaire to enable the owners to believe they have a higher value than their depreciating "asset" has. |
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"P Fritz" wrote in message
... Doug hits a hot button with that comment. So much of the urban sprawl is the direct result of guvmint and environmentalists. From the regulations and lawsuit exposure of "brownfield" development, to the "open space" requirements of tree hugging suburbanites, to the illl thought interstate highways cutting through the middle of cities, to the endless expansion of water and sewer systems because they are one of the few money making ventures of city guvmints............it has all helped create this vast waste of resources by means of low density sprawl across the country. It's especially stupid when 30% of commercial office space lies vacant in some areas, and developers are allowed to continue building new (and ugly) office space just blocks away from perfectly good (but half empty) buildings. Sometimes they're even given tax incentives because it creates jobs. Unfortunately, the jobs end when the new structure is finished. |
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On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 14:57:19 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote: "John H." wrote in message .. . On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 14:11:11 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 03:51:10 GMT, "Bill McKee" wrote: "John H." wrote in message om... Here is a site that shows average annual temps various places in the world. http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/station_data/ Pick out an area and see what the average annual temps have been. Note that the temps of high population areas rises at a higher rate than does that for urban areas. In most places that I looked, if the area was urban, and the data went back a 100 years or so, there was very little change. -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes There are hypothesis that the Urban areas are measured incorrectly. Most readings are from ground based thermometers, and over the years the areas around the thermometers have been built up a lot. And the extra buildings add an error to the reading. Spaced based readings have not changed much over the years. Lots less than the ground based readings. Yes, the temp rise in urban areas would seem to be related to the quantity of concrete in urban areas. This would indicate that a return to wooden buildings with straw roofs would be in order. Asphalt and concrete roads also retain heat much better than dirt roads, so we should go back to dirt roads. You're such a visionary. How about requiring that companies use existing empty commercial real estate, rather than mowing down green space until there's nothing left but a few weeds poking out of the cracks? Sounds like a good idea. I've also seen the use of gravel in parking lots, instead of concrete. Gravel allows water to penetrate and not become more polluting run-off. We're talking about heat retention here. And, gravel would be an insane idea in huge parking lots where snow needs to be plowed for 4-5 months per year. I grew up on a farm in Minnesota. We had snow for several months of the year. We also had gravel roads. Believe it or not, they got snow-plowed! Limestone gravel will reflect heat better than black asphalt, I would think. -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes |
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"John H." wrote in message
... Sounds like a good idea. I've also seen the use of gravel in parking lots, instead of concrete. Gravel allows water to penetrate and not become more polluting run-off. We're talking about heat retention here. And, gravel would be an insane idea in huge parking lots where snow needs to be plowed for 4-5 months per year. I grew up on a farm in Minnesota. We had snow for several months of the year. We also had gravel roads. Believe it or not, they got snow-plowed! Limestone gravel will reflect heat better than black asphalt, I would think. Yeah well anyway...gravel ends up getting shoved into the same end of the parking lot where the snow goes, leaving bare ground and mud. Then, it needs to be redistributed in the spring. It also provides an endless supply of rocks to be thrown by vandals. |
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I grew up on a farm in Minnesota. We had snow for several months of the year. We also had gravel roads. Believe it or not, they got snow-plowed! You had to mention snow? I just looked out and saw my first flakes of the season. ;-( |
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "John H." wrote in message ... On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 14:11:11 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 03:51:10 GMT, "Bill McKee" wrote: "John H." wrote in message om... Here is a site that shows average annual temps various places in the world. http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/station_data/ Pick out an area and see what the average annual temps have been. Note that the temps of high population areas rises at a higher rate than does that for urban areas. In most places that I looked, if the area was urban, and the data went back a 100 years or so, there was very little change. -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes There are hypothesis that the Urban areas are measured incorrectly. Most readings are from ground based thermometers, and over the years the areas around the thermometers have been built up a lot. And the extra buildings add an error to the reading. Spaced based readings have not changed much over the years. Lots less than the ground based readings. Yes, the temp rise in urban areas would seem to be related to the quantity of concrete in urban areas. This would indicate that a return to wooden buildings with straw roofs would be in order. Asphalt and concrete roads also retain heat much better than dirt roads, so we should go back to dirt roads. You're such a visionary. How about requiring that companies use existing empty commercial real estate, rather than mowing down green space until there's nothing left but a few weeds poking out of the cracks? Sounds like a good idea. I've also seen the use of gravel in parking lots, instead of concrete. Gravel allows water to penetrate and not become more polluting run-off. We're talking about heat retention here. And, gravel would be an insane idea in huge parking lots where snow needs to be plowed for 4-5 months per year. Move south! |
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John H. wrote:
I grew up on a farm in Minnesota. We had snow for several months of the year. We also had gravel roads. Believe it or not, they got snow-plowed! Limestone gravel will reflect heat better than black asphalt, I would think. All kinds of gravel roads get plowed here. If they didn't, a lot of people would be isolated. |
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"Don White" wrote in message ... John H. wrote: I grew up on a farm in Minnesota. We had snow for several months of the year. We also had gravel roads. Believe it or not, they got snow-plowed! Limestone gravel will reflect heat better than black asphalt, I would think. All kinds of gravel roads get plowed here. If they didn't, a lot of people would be isolated. Yeah, but that's not the same as a huge parking lot outside a major grocery store. People get real twitchy when food stores are dirty. Imagine what a store would look like on one of those winter days when the sun melts just the surface for a few hours. If it were a dirt parking lot, it would be mud for just long enough to the floors in the store to look like a barn. |
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On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 15:27:53 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote: "John H." wrote in message .. . Sounds like a good idea. I've also seen the use of gravel in parking lots, instead of concrete. Gravel allows water to penetrate and not become more polluting run-off. We're talking about heat retention here. And, gravel would be an insane idea in huge parking lots where snow needs to be plowed for 4-5 months per year. I grew up on a farm in Minnesota. We had snow for several months of the year. We also had gravel roads. Believe it or not, they got snow-plowed! Limestone gravel will reflect heat better than black asphalt, I would think. Yeah well anyway...gravel ends up getting shoved into the same end of the parking lot where the snow goes, leaving bare ground and mud. Then, it needs to be redistributed in the spring. It also provides an endless supply of rocks to be thrown by vandals. The operator raises the blade of the plow so as not to scrape the gravel. It's not like plowing pavement where the blade must ride on the surface. A half inch or so of snow on gravel makes little difference to the traction. Are the vandals in your community prevented from vandalizing by paved lots? -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes |
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On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 10:58:54 -0500, thunder wrote:
I grew up on a farm in Minnesota. We had snow for several months of the year. We also had gravel roads. Believe it or not, they got snow-plowed! You had to mention snow? I just looked out and saw my first flakes of the season. ;-( I look out and see three inches of leaves covering the lawn I just cleared yesterday. I'd rather see snow. Then I could practice writing my name. -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes |
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On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 17:08:35 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... John H. wrote: I grew up on a farm in Minnesota. We had snow for several months of the year. We also had gravel roads. Believe it or not, they got snow-plowed! Limestone gravel will reflect heat better than black asphalt, I would think. All kinds of gravel roads get plowed here. If they didn't, a lot of people would be isolated. Yeah, but that's not the same as a huge parking lot outside a major grocery store. People get real twitchy when food stores are dirty. Imagine what a store would look like on one of those winter days when the sun melts just the surface for a few hours. If it were a dirt parking lot, it would be mud for just long enough to the floors in the store to look like a barn. Not dirt, Doug, gravel. Besides, if we're protecting the earth from meltdown, what's a little dirt on the floor. That's why God made straw for brooms! -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes |
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"John H." wrote in message
... Yeah well anyway...gravel ends up getting shoved into the same end of the parking lot where the snow goes, leaving bare ground and mud. Then, it needs to be redistributed in the spring. It also provides an endless supply of rocks to be thrown by vandals. The operator raises the blade of the plow so as not to scrape the gravel. It's not like plowing pavement where the blade must ride on the surface. A half inch or so of snow on gravel makes little difference to the traction. Are the vandals in your community prevented from vandalizing by paved lots? At any point in the past, have you made any observations of how kids behave? |
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"John H." wrote in message ... On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 17:08:35 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... John H. wrote: I grew up on a farm in Minnesota. We had snow for several months of the year. We also had gravel roads. Believe it or not, they got snow-plowed! Limestone gravel will reflect heat better than black asphalt, I would think. All kinds of gravel roads get plowed here. If they didn't, a lot of people would be isolated. Yeah, but that's not the same as a huge parking lot outside a major grocery store. People get real twitchy when food stores are dirty. Imagine what a store would look like on one of those winter days when the sun melts just the surface for a few hours. If it were a dirt parking lot, it would be mud for just long enough to the floors in the store to look like a barn. Not dirt, Doug, gravel. Besides, if we're protecting the earth from meltdown, what's a little dirt on the floor. That's why God made straw for brooms! Gravel would be a great thing for shopping carts, Garp. |
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On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 18:53:48 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote: "John H." wrote in message .. . Yeah well anyway...gravel ends up getting shoved into the same end of the parking lot where the snow goes, leaving bare ground and mud. Then, it needs to be redistributed in the spring. It also provides an endless supply of rocks to be thrown by vandals. The operator raises the blade of the plow so as not to scrape the gravel. It's not like plowing pavement where the blade must ride on the surface. A half inch or so of snow on gravel makes little difference to the traction. Are the vandals in your community prevented from vandalizing by paved lots? At any point in the past, have you made any observations of how kids behave? Absolutely! -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes |
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John H. wrote: On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 15:27:53 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "John H." wrote in message .. . Sounds like a good idea. I've also seen the use of gravel in parking lots, instead of concrete. Gravel allows water to penetrate and not become more polluting run-off. We're talking about heat retention here. And, gravel would be an insane idea in huge parking lots where snow needs to be plowed for 4-5 months per year. I grew up on a farm in Minnesota. We had snow for several months of the year. We also had gravel roads. Believe it or not, they got snow-plowed! Limestone gravel will reflect heat better than black asphalt, I would think. Yeah well anyway...gravel ends up getting shoved into the same end of the parking lot where the snow goes, leaving bare ground and mud. Then, it needs to be redistributed in the spring. It also provides an endless supply of rocks to be thrown by vandals. The operator raises the blade of the plow so as not to scrape the gravel. It's not like plowing pavement where the blade must ride on the surface. A half inch or so of snow on gravel makes little difference to the traction. The blade NEVER rides on the pavement. If it did, it would chew it to hell. It rides on what are commonly called the shoes. But, when the snow gets packed and packed, and thaws, then freezes, the gravel does get picked up and moved. Are the vandals in your community prevented from vandalizing by paved lots? Damn, you really should work on your comprehension. That question was just plain stupid. |
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On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 19:03:39 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote: "John H." wrote in message .. . On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 17:08:35 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... John H. wrote: I grew up on a farm in Minnesota. We had snow for several months of the year. We also had gravel roads. Believe it or not, they got snow-plowed! Limestone gravel will reflect heat better than black asphalt, I would think. All kinds of gravel roads get plowed here. If they didn't, a lot of people would be isolated. Yeah, but that's not the same as a huge parking lot outside a major grocery store. People get real twitchy when food stores are dirty. Imagine what a store would look like on one of those winter days when the sun melts just the surface for a few hours. If it were a dirt parking lot, it would be mud for just long enough to the floors in the store to look like a barn. Not dirt, Doug, gravel. Besides, if we're protecting the earth from meltdown, what's a little dirt on the floor. That's why God made straw for brooms! Gravel would be a great thing for shopping carts, Garp. Yup, one might have to make two or three trips. Luckily, most Americans can use the exercise. Our local Giant doesn't allow carts in the parking lot. People go get there cars and load them at the front of the store. Giant usually has a guy out front to help. Works great! -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes |
OT Insurance Co Warns About Global Warming Cost
"John H." wrote in message ... On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 18:53:48 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "John H." wrote in message . .. Yeah well anyway...gravel ends up getting shoved into the same end of the parking lot where the snow goes, leaving bare ground and mud. Then, it needs to be redistributed in the spring. It also provides an endless supply of rocks to be thrown by vandals. The operator raises the blade of the plow so as not to scrape the gravel. It's not like plowing pavement where the blade must ride on the surface. A half inch or so of snow on gravel makes little difference to the traction. Are the vandals in your community prevented from vandalizing by paved lots? At any point in the past, have you made any observations of how kids behave? Absolutely! Right. So you know that even a relatively OK kid, when presented with a sudden richness of rocks, will pick on up and throw it, even if he knows he'll catch hell when it breaks something. |
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