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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Tamaroak wrote:
I trust in our presidummy to lead us fearlesly into battle. He's got
lots of military experience in these matters s an AWOL deserter back in
'72. Plus his staff has so much experience in military issues. Let's
just see how far down the chain of command we have to go to find
someone who actually showed up.

Never mind; he's done so well in domestic matters that I'm sure this
will all carry over when we go to battle with the infidels, right?

And we have god on our side, right? The god who gives us permission to
torture people as long as it's not done on US soil.

I'm disgusted with the whole lot of them, except for John McCain, who
really does have the right combination of balls, intelligence and
morality.

Capt. Jeff

Hey, we have a brand-spanking-new prison scandal abrewin', on top of all
the other Bush debacles.

From the Muslim world's viewpoint, if Plamegate and the CIA prison
situation was never reported on, would the great majority of them even
know that things like that were happening? Of course not. So if
"scandals" like that are so inflammatory to the enemy, why does the news
media report on them in time of war?

It is anti-US propaganda in a time of war...and the media that splashes
it all over the evening (and daytime) news is treasonous for doing so.
In their thirst to bring down Bush, the news media is damaging our
country beyond repair. And idiots like you lap it up and delight in the
fact that "it's not going to keep our troops safer". That's something to
be happy about!?!


Your problem here is that you believe the news media works for or is
responsible to the government.

Way back when, before you were born, I worked as a reporter for the Kansas
City Star. I worked on the morning edition, which was The Star with the
nameplate "The Kansas City Times." The paper was published continuously
during the day. The paper was "conservative" on its editorial page, but
responsibly conservative, not like the conservatism of today.

One night I was assigned to cover a lecture being given by David
Halberstam, who had a year or so earlier written a best-selling book about
our quagmire in Vietnam. I don't remember the details of the guy's
lecture, but it wasn't in support of the administration then, and when I
wrote up the article, I figured the city editor, the famous Donald D.
"Casey" Jones, would spike it, because of the paper's political leanings.

Much to my surprise, the article ran, and it got a good position, too.
When I asked Casey about it, he said, "We don't work for the government,
we don't really work for the Star company. We work for the people, and the
people have the right to know what their government is doing in their
name."

Well, nothing has changed. The people have the right to know that their
government is engaged in running secret gulags, and doing who knows what
to their prisoners, most of whom have not be convicted of any crimes.

I really don't believe you have any concept of what patriotism is all
about. It is NOT blindly supporting one's country. It is helping its
country behave properly in the world community.

But I doubt you'll understand this concept.

News isn't news anymore. It's sensationalism used to further an agenda.

And both sides do it.

But when news starts to become propaganda material routinely used by the
enemy in time of war, then it's time for the news media to rein in the
reporting of that news.

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NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Tamaroak wrote:
I trust in our presidummy to lead us fearlesly into battle. He's got
lots
of military experience in these matters s an AWOL deserter back in
'72.
Plus his staff has so much experience in military issues. Let's just
see
how far down the chain of command we have to go to find someone who
actually showed up.

Never mind; he's done so well in domestic matters that I'm sure this
will
all carry over when we go to battle with the infidels, right?

And we have god on our side, right? The god who gives us permission to
torture people as long as it's not done on US soil.

I'm disgusted with the whole lot of them, except for John McCain, who
really does have the right combination of balls, intelligence and
morality.

Capt. Jeff


Hey, we have a brand-spanking-new prison scandal abrewin', on top of
all
the other Bush debacles.

From the Muslim world's viewpoint, if Plamegate and the CIA prison
situation
was never reported on, would the great majority of them even know that
things like that were happening? Of course not. So if "scandals" like
that
are so inflammatory to the enemy, why does the news media report on them
in
time of war?


NOYB, that's a ridiculous statement. How would the Muslim's know about
the secret CIA prisons? Precisely because we don't kill everybody who
gets sent to one of those facilities and some folks get released.

Those prisons were a last-resort detention facility used for prisoners who
could not be reformed. As long as we're fighting a war against Islamic
fundamentalist terrorists, those prisoners would be held incommunicado for
an indefinite period of time. They would not be released, and thus could
not tell anybody.


Will you next suggest that we ultimately kill everybody that we torture
so word doesn't get out?

No. But we should hold them for as long as we're fighting this war...and
perhaps beyond then.

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So all that's really needed is for us to be quiet about these idiots in
this time of thew war they created? This is what our country needs? It
would be treasonous. They are the traitors.

Capt. jeff

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"Tamaroak" wrote in message
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So all that's really needed is for us to be quiet about these idiots in
this time of thew war they created? This is what our country needs? It
would be treasonous. They are the traitors.

As far as I know, there's no statute of limitations for treason. If, as you
claim, they committed treason, there's time to try them for it in 3 years
when the next administration takes office. In the meanwhile, quit giving
our enemies the positive propaganda that helps them prolong this war.

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On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 12:19:51 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

NOYB wrote:
"Tamaroak" wrote in message
...
So all that's really needed is for us to be quiet about these idiots in
this time of thew war they created? This is what our country needs? It
would be treasonous. They are the traitors.

As far as I know, there's no statute of limitations for treason. If, as you
claim, they committed treason, there's time to try them for it in 3 years
when the next administration takes office. In the meanwhile, quit giving
our enemies the positive propaganda that helps them prolong this war.




The Bush Administration gives the insurgents in Iraq and those who hate
the United States elsewhere all the propaganda they need to keep on
killing our troops and plotting attacks on our homeland.

I think you're getting the administration confused with NBC and CBS.
--
John H

"It's *not* a baby kicking, bride of mine, it's just a fetus!"

HK

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John H.

Exactly. It's almost as if Saddam himself were editing the American
news media.

Ron M.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Tamaroak" wrote in message
...
So all that's really needed is for us to be quiet about these idiots in
this time of thew war they created? This is what our country needs? It
would be treasonous. They are the traitors.

As far as I know, there's no statute of limitations for treason. If, as
you claim, they committed treason, there's time to try them for it in 3
years when the next administration takes office. In the meanwhile, quit
giving our enemies the positive propaganda that helps them prolong this
war.




The Bush Administration gives the insurgents in Iraq and those who hate
the United States elsewhere all the propaganda they need to keep on
killing our troops and plotting attacks on our homeland.

So if it's your belief that they're providing their own rope to their
hanging, why do you keep on insisting that they use your rope instead?

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"John H." wrote in message
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On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 05:54:30 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Tamaroak wrote:
I trust in our presidummy to lead us fearlesly into battle. He's got
lots of military experience in these matters s an AWOL deserter back in
'72. Plus his staff has so much experience in military issues. Let's
just see how far down the chain of command we have to go to find someone
who actually showed up.

Never mind; he's done so well in domestic matters that I'm sure this
will all carry over when we go to battle with the infidels, right?

And we have god on our side, right? The god who gives us permission to
torture people as long as it's not done on US soil.

I'm disgusted with the whole lot of them, except for John McCain, who
really does have the right combination of balls, intelligence and
morality.

Capt. Jeff


Hey, we have a brand-spanking-new prison scandal abrewin', on top of all
the other Bush debacles. This ought to help keep our troops safer, eh?
It's too bad we're stuck with this Gang Who Can't Shoot Straight for
three more years.

If this 'scandal' was so bad, why did the Democrat vice chairmen on the
committees keep so mum about it?

Well, for 3 1/2 years he kept mum about it...in case the Dems won the
election in 2004 and needed to use those prisons once *they* got in power.

As it turned out, the Dems lost the elections in 2004, and it became
convenient in January 2005 for Rockefeller to start ****ing and moaning
about the prisons in anticipation that the story would help the Dems chances
in the '06 elections.

To hell with the country. It's all about regaining power. Didn't you read
Rockefeller's leaked memo from 2003 revealing the Democratic playbook to
destroy the Bush administration? Everything that has happened since '03 is
right out of the playbook...including the shutting-down-the-senate tactic
the other day by Reid.

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Harry,
For someone who says he has me filtered, you sure respond to most of my
posts, and manage to include me in most of your insults.


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
DSK wrote:
wrote:
....a lot of the people who got swept up by mistake and
hauled to Abu Ghraib might not have harbored a passionate hatred for
the US before they were forced to stand naked and jack off for the
amusement of female prison guards, etc,......but they certainly hated
the US when they were released.

But you see, increasing the number of America's enemies only makes us
stronger. Anything less is cowardly appeasement.


Will you next suggest that we ultimately kill everybody that we torture
so word doesn't get out? That we should operate outside the law, and in
secret? Forgive me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that the *exact* behavior,
by Saddam Hussein, that we sacrificed thousands of dead and wounded
Americans and $200 billion +++++ to try to stop?


Yeah, but that was him.

DSK



You fellows are getting far too Orwellian for this group. Oh, and for
Smithers' sake, that would be George Orwell, the British author, not Orson
Welles. the actor, or Martin Luther, the anti-Semite.

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On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 19:16:49 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 05:54:30 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Tamaroak wrote:
I trust in our presidummy to lead us fearlesly into battle. He's got
lots of military experience in these matters s an AWOL deserter back in
'72. Plus his staff has so much experience in military issues. Let's
just see how far down the chain of command we have to go to find someone
who actually showed up.

Never mind; he's done so well in domestic matters that I'm sure this
will all carry over when we go to battle with the infidels, right?

And we have god on our side, right? The god who gives us permission to
torture people as long as it's not done on US soil.

I'm disgusted with the whole lot of them, except for John McCain, who
really does have the right combination of balls, intelligence and
morality.

Capt. Jeff


Hey, we have a brand-spanking-new prison scandal abrewin', on top of all
the other Bush debacles. This ought to help keep our troops safer, eh?
It's too bad we're stuck with this Gang Who Can't Shoot Straight for
three more years.

If this 'scandal' was so bad, why did the Democrat vice chairmen on the
committees keep so mum about it?

Well, for 3 1/2 years he kept mum about it...in case the Dems won the
election in 2004 and needed to use those prisons once *they* got in power.

As it turned out, the Dems lost the elections in 2004, and it became
convenient in January 2005 for Rockefeller to start ****ing and moaning
about the prisons in anticipation that the story would help the Dems chances
in the '06 elections.

To hell with the country. It's all about regaining power. Didn't you read
Rockefeller's leaked memo from 2003 revealing the Democratic playbook to
destroy the Bush administration? Everything that has happened since '03 is
right out of the playbook...including the shutting-down-the-senate tactic
the other day by Reid.


I thought, from reading many of Chuck's posts, that the Democrats were always
'above board', so to speak.

From what you've posted here, the stories about the union big wigs, and the
incessant lies we see right here, I'm beginning to doubt the veracity of
Democrats in general. I know I shouldn't generalize though.
--
John H

"It's *not* a baby kicking, bride of mine, it's just a fetus!"

HK