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Iran kicked out foreigners today. They have declared war on Israel. Iran
and Korea are real threats. The predictions from the last three decades have become reality. Wonder if the Dems and EUers will continue to be pacifists? -- Skipper |
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Will the war occur in boats? No? Then STFU.
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I trust in our presidummy to lead us fearlesly into battle. He's got
lots of military experience in these matters s an AWOL deserter back in '72. Plus his staff has so much experience in military issues. Let's just see how far down the chain of command we have to go to find someone who actually showed up. Never mind; he's done so well in domestic matters that I'm sure this will all carry over when we go to battle with the infidels, right? And we have god on our side, right? The god who gives us permission to torture people as long as it's not done on US soil. I'm disgusted with the whole lot of them, except for John McCain, who really does have the right combination of balls, intelligence and morality. Capt. Jeff |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Tamaroak wrote: I trust in our presidummy to lead us fearlesly into battle. He's got lots of military experience in these matters s an AWOL deserter back in '72. Plus his staff has so much experience in military issues. Let's just see how far down the chain of command we have to go to find someone who actually showed up. Never mind; he's done so well in domestic matters that I'm sure this will all carry over when we go to battle with the infidels, right? And we have god on our side, right? The god who gives us permission to torture people as long as it's not done on US soil. I'm disgusted with the whole lot of them, except for John McCain, who really does have the right combination of balls, intelligence and morality. Capt. Jeff Hey, we have a brand-spanking-new prison scandal abrewin', on top of all the other Bush debacles. From the Muslim world's viewpoint, if Plamegate and the CIA prison situation was never reported on, would the great majority of them even know that things like that were happening? Of course not. So if "scandals" like that are so inflammatory to the enemy, why does the news media report on them in time of war? It is anti-US propaganda in a time of war...and the media that splashes it all over the evening (and daytime) news is treasonous for doing so. In their thirst to bring down Bush, the news media is damaging our country beyond repair. And idiots like you lap it up and delight in the fact that "it's not going to keep our troops safer". That's something to be happy about!?! |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Tamaroak wrote: I trust in our presidummy to lead us fearlesly into battle. He's got lots of military experience in these matters s an AWOL deserter back in '72. Plus his staff has so much experience in military issues. Let's just see how far down the chain of command we have to go to find someone who actually showed up. Never mind; he's done so well in domestic matters that I'm sure this will all carry over when we go to battle with the infidels, right? And we have god on our side, right? The god who gives us permission to torture people as long as it's not done on US soil. I'm disgusted with the whole lot of them, except for John McCain, who really does have the right combination of balls, intelligence and morality. Capt. Jeff Hey, we have a brand-spanking-new prison scandal abrewin', on top of all the other Bush debacles. From the Muslim world's viewpoint, if Plamegate and the CIA prison situation was never reported on, would the great majority of them even know that things like that were happening? Of course not. So if "scandals" like that are so inflammatory to the enemy, why does the news media report on them in time of war? It is anti-US propaganda in a time of war...and the media that splashes it all over the evening (and daytime) news is treasonous for doing so. In their thirst to bring down Bush, the news media is damaging our country beyond repair. And idiots like you lap it up and delight in the fact that "it's not going to keep our troops safer". That's something to be happy about!?! Your problem here is that you believe the news media works for or is responsible to the government. One may tend to think that when you have news anchormen fabricating news and reporting it as fact. |
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NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Tamaroak wrote: I trust in our presidummy to lead us fearlesly into battle. He's got lots of military experience in these matters s an AWOL deserter back in '72. Plus his staff has so much experience in military issues. Let's just see how far down the chain of command we have to go to find someone who actually showed up. Never mind; he's done so well in domestic matters that I'm sure this will all carry over when we go to battle with the infidels, right? And we have god on our side, right? The god who gives us permission to torture people as long as it's not done on US soil. I'm disgusted with the whole lot of them, except for John McCain, who really does have the right combination of balls, intelligence and morality. Capt. Jeff Hey, we have a brand-spanking-new prison scandal abrewin', on top of all the other Bush debacles. From the Muslim world's viewpoint, if Plamegate and the CIA prison situation was never reported on, would the great majority of them even know that things like that were happening? Of course not. So if "scandals" like that are so inflammatory to the enemy, why does the news media report on them in time of war? NOYB, that's a ridiculous statement. How would the Muslim's know about the secret CIA prisons? Precisely because we don't kill everybody who gets sent to one of those facilities and some folks get released. Just like Abu Ghraib- a lot of the people who got swept up by mistake and hauled to Abu Ghraib might not have harbored a passionate hatred for the US before they were forced to stand naked and jack off for the amusement of female prison guards, etc,......but they certainly hated the US when they were released. Will you next suggest that we ultimately kill everybody that we torture so word doesn't get out? That we should operate outside the law, and in secret? Forgive me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that the *exact* behavior, by Saddam Hussein, that we sacrificed thousands of dead and wounded Americans and $200 billion +++++ to try to stop? |
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The people have the right to know that their
government is engaged in running secret gulags, Oh, BULL. When's the last time the media reported on a new hospital opening in Iraq? Where's the reporting on Afghanistan? We've got troops over there, too, you know. People still haven't caught on that this is WAR. Those "folks" in the "gulags" are the ENEMY. They would giggle with delight while shishkabobing your granddaughter and roasting her over hot coals. As far as I'm concerned, they can torture them as much as is necessary to get information that can save American lives. Back in Vietnam, we just took VC captives up to 10,000 feet in choppers and threatened to kick them out the door if they didn't talk. It worked great, too, they'd jabber like typewriters up there. Saved the lives of thousands of U.S. soldiers. There were other effective tricks, too, like slowly peeling strips of skin off their legs with a pair of pliers, or sticking flamethrowers up their butts. Now, jeez... it's like we gotta give them pedicures and manicures or something. Whoever leaked this about those CIA facilities should be hauled out and shot. What do they think this is, a church picnic? And where were all these whiny do-gooders back when Saddam was murdering an average of 150 innocent people PER DAY? But people in general will stupidly devour whatever pablum is fed to them by the news media. Of COURSE Bush lied about WMDs, that was the only way to get us in there; we couldn't just "invade the middle east." Or remember all that crap about how the inspectors couldn't find any weapons. People are so stupid, they didn't bother to notice that the purpose of the inspectors was NOT to "search for hidden weapons." Their mission was to examine Saddam's evidence that the weapons had been destroyed - and there was none, although it looked mighty suspicious when they'd delay the inspectors for 2 days while trucks carried concealed cargo out of a warehouse, then the inspectors would be allowed in to find it empty, then the trucks would rumble back in after they left. Nooooooooo, we never saw THAT story on the front pages, did we? Or like that soldier that was prosecuted for murder for killing a wounded Iraqi. They made him sound like a homicidal lunatic. The news stories didn't mention that half the guy's BRAINS were hanging out of his skull! I'm seeing more and more parallels between Iraq and Vietnam. No, not in being a "quagmire," but in our being crippled and prevented from fighting the war to win, as an indirect result of the public being relentlessly propagandized by the media. We've got all these flip-wristed whiners, starving for "hot stories," ready to bark like dogs if a U.S. soldier so much as sneezes the wrong way. But, like World War II before Pearl Harbor, people are too blind to see where all this is leading: a full scale, global war against Islamic extremism. If the major world powers would stop all the self-serving BS and take decisive action together against these ragheaded loonies, we could prevent it, but of course, that won't happen. It'll drag on and drag on, at a cost of millions of lives, until things spiral out of control and erupts in a global conflagration. Some terrorist who was "mistrated" in Abu Graib will detonate a suitcase nuke in Manhattan, and as the mushroom cloud rises, missle silos in Israel will begin to open... Ron M. |
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On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 22:58:50 -0800, Tamaroak wrote:
I trust in our presidummy to lead us fearlesly into battle. He's got lots of military experience in these matters s an AWOL deserter back in '72. Plus his staff has so much experience in military issues. Let's just see how far down the chain of command we have to go to find someone who actually showed up. Never mind; he's done so well in domestic matters that I'm sure this will all carry over when we go to battle with the infidels, right? And we have god on our side, right? The god who gives us permission to torture people as long as it's not done on US soil. I'm disgusted with the whole lot of them, except for John McCain, who really does have the right combination of balls, intelligence and morality. Capt. Jeff I hope you're including the Democrats on the intelligence committees who knew full well of the CIA prisons. Maybe there is/was a good reason for them? Surely no Democrats would approve of such a thing without a *very* good reason! -- John H "The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so." Ronald Reagan |
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On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 05:54:30 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:
Tamaroak wrote: I trust in our presidummy to lead us fearlesly into battle. He's got lots of military experience in these matters s an AWOL deserter back in '72. Plus his staff has so much experience in military issues. Let's just see how far down the chain of command we have to go to find someone who actually showed up. Never mind; he's done so well in domestic matters that I'm sure this will all carry over when we go to battle with the infidels, right? And we have god on our side, right? The god who gives us permission to torture people as long as it's not done on US soil. I'm disgusted with the whole lot of them, except for John McCain, who really does have the right combination of balls, intelligence and morality. Capt. Jeff Hey, we have a brand-spanking-new prison scandal abrewin', on top of all the other Bush debacles. This ought to help keep our troops safer, eh? It's too bad we're stuck with this Gang Who Can't Shoot Straight for three more years. If this 'scandal' was so bad, why did the Democrat vice chairmen on the committees keep so mum about it? -- John H "The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so." Ronald Reagan |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Tamaroak wrote: I trust in our presidummy to lead us fearlesly into battle. He's got lots of military experience in these matters s an AWOL deserter back in '72. Plus his staff has so much experience in military issues. Let's just see how far down the chain of command we have to go to find someone who actually showed up. Never mind; he's done so well in domestic matters that I'm sure this will all carry over when we go to battle with the infidels, right? And we have god on our side, right? The god who gives us permission to torture people as long as it's not done on US soil. I'm disgusted with the whole lot of them, except for John McCain, who really does have the right combination of balls, intelligence and morality. Capt. Jeff Hey, we have a brand-spanking-new prison scandal abrewin', on top of all the other Bush debacles. From the Muslim world's viewpoint, if Plamegate and the CIA prison situation was never reported on, would the great majority of them even know that things like that were happening? Of course not. So if "scandals" like that are so inflammatory to the enemy, why does the news media report on them in time of war? It is anti-US propaganda in a time of war...and the media that splashes it all over the evening (and daytime) news is treasonous for doing so. In their thirst to bring down Bush, the news media is damaging our country beyond repair. And idiots like you lap it up and delight in the fact that "it's not going to keep our troops safer". That's something to be happy about!?! Your problem here is that you believe the news media works for or is responsible to the government. Way back when, before you were born, I worked as a reporter for the Kansas City Star. I worked on the morning edition, which was The Star with the nameplate "The Kansas City Times." The paper was published continuously during the day. The paper was "conservative" on its editorial page, but responsibly conservative, not like the conservatism of today. One night I was assigned to cover a lecture being given by David Halberstam, who had a year or so earlier written a best-selling book about our quagmire in Vietnam. I don't remember the details of the guy's lecture, but it wasn't in support of the administration then, and when I wrote up the article, I figured the city editor, the famous Donald D. "Casey" Jones, would spike it, because of the paper's political leanings. Much to my surprise, the article ran, and it got a good position, too. When I asked Casey about it, he said, "We don't work for the government, we don't really work for the Star company. We work for the people, and the people have the right to know what their government is doing in their name." Well, nothing has changed. The people have the right to know that their government is engaged in running secret gulags, and doing who knows what to their prisoners, most of whom have not be convicted of any crimes. I really don't believe you have any concept of what patriotism is all about. It is NOT blindly supporting one's country. It is helping its country behave properly in the world community. But I doubt you'll understand this concept. News isn't news anymore. It's sensationalism used to further an agenda. And both sides do it. But when news starts to become propaganda material routinely used by the enemy in time of war, then it's time for the news media to rein in the reporting of that news. |
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wrote in message oups.com... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Tamaroak wrote: I trust in our presidummy to lead us fearlesly into battle. He's got lots of military experience in these matters s an AWOL deserter back in '72. Plus his staff has so much experience in military issues. Let's just see how far down the chain of command we have to go to find someone who actually showed up. Never mind; he's done so well in domestic matters that I'm sure this will all carry over when we go to battle with the infidels, right? And we have god on our side, right? The god who gives us permission to torture people as long as it's not done on US soil. I'm disgusted with the whole lot of them, except for John McCain, who really does have the right combination of balls, intelligence and morality. Capt. Jeff Hey, we have a brand-spanking-new prison scandal abrewin', on top of all the other Bush debacles. From the Muslim world's viewpoint, if Plamegate and the CIA prison situation was never reported on, would the great majority of them even know that things like that were happening? Of course not. So if "scandals" like that are so inflammatory to the enemy, why does the news media report on them in time of war? NOYB, that's a ridiculous statement. How would the Muslim's know about the secret CIA prisons? Precisely because we don't kill everybody who gets sent to one of those facilities and some folks get released. Those prisons were a last-resort detention facility used for prisoners who could not be reformed. As long as we're fighting a war against Islamic fundamentalist terrorists, those prisoners would be held incommunicado for an indefinite period of time. They would not be released, and thus could not tell anybody. Will you next suggest that we ultimately kill everybody that we torture so word doesn't get out? No. But we should hold them for as long as we're fighting this war...and perhaps beyond then. |
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So all that's really needed is for us to be quiet about these idiots in
this time of thew war they created? This is what our country needs? It would be treasonous. They are the traitors. Capt. jeff |
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"Tamaroak" wrote in message ... So all that's really needed is for us to be quiet about these idiots in this time of thew war they created? This is what our country needs? It would be treasonous. They are the traitors. As far as I know, there's no statute of limitations for treason. If, as you claim, they committed treason, there's time to try them for it in 3 years when the next administration takes office. In the meanwhile, quit giving our enemies the positive propaganda that helps them prolong this war. |
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On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 12:19:51 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:
NOYB wrote: "Tamaroak" wrote in message ... So all that's really needed is for us to be quiet about these idiots in this time of thew war they created? This is what our country needs? It would be treasonous. They are the traitors. As far as I know, there's no statute of limitations for treason. If, as you claim, they committed treason, there's time to try them for it in 3 years when the next administration takes office. In the meanwhile, quit giving our enemies the positive propaganda that helps them prolong this war. The Bush Administration gives the insurgents in Iraq and those who hate the United States elsewhere all the propaganda they need to keep on killing our troops and plotting attacks on our homeland. I think you're getting the administration confused with NBC and CBS. -- John H "It's *not* a baby kicking, bride of mine, it's just a fetus!" HK |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Tamaroak" wrote in message ... So all that's really needed is for us to be quiet about these idiots in this time of thew war they created? This is what our country needs? It would be treasonous. They are the traitors. As far as I know, there's no statute of limitations for treason. If, as you claim, they committed treason, there's time to try them for it in 3 years when the next administration takes office. In the meanwhile, quit giving our enemies the positive propaganda that helps them prolong this war. The Bush Administration gives the insurgents in Iraq and those who hate the United States elsewhere all the propaganda they need to keep on killing our troops and plotting attacks on our homeland. So if it's your belief that they're providing their own rope to their hanging, why do you keep on insisting that they use your rope instead? |
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"John H." wrote in message ... On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 05:54:30 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Tamaroak wrote: I trust in our presidummy to lead us fearlesly into battle. He's got lots of military experience in these matters s an AWOL deserter back in '72. Plus his staff has so much experience in military issues. Let's just see how far down the chain of command we have to go to find someone who actually showed up. Never mind; he's done so well in domestic matters that I'm sure this will all carry over when we go to battle with the infidels, right? And we have god on our side, right? The god who gives us permission to torture people as long as it's not done on US soil. I'm disgusted with the whole lot of them, except for John McCain, who really does have the right combination of balls, intelligence and morality. Capt. Jeff Hey, we have a brand-spanking-new prison scandal abrewin', on top of all the other Bush debacles. This ought to help keep our troops safer, eh? It's too bad we're stuck with this Gang Who Can't Shoot Straight for three more years. If this 'scandal' was so bad, why did the Democrat vice chairmen on the committees keep so mum about it? Well, for 3 1/2 years he kept mum about it...in case the Dems won the election in 2004 and needed to use those prisons once *they* got in power. As it turned out, the Dems lost the elections in 2004, and it became convenient in January 2005 for Rockefeller to start ****ing and moaning about the prisons in anticipation that the story would help the Dems chances in the '06 elections. To hell with the country. It's all about regaining power. Didn't you read Rockefeller's leaked memo from 2003 revealing the Democratic playbook to destroy the Bush administration? Everything that has happened since '03 is right out of the playbook...including the shutting-down-the-senate tactic the other day by Reid. |
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On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 19:16:49 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:
"John H." wrote in message .. . On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 05:54:30 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Tamaroak wrote: I trust in our presidummy to lead us fearlesly into battle. He's got lots of military experience in these matters s an AWOL deserter back in '72. Plus his staff has so much experience in military issues. Let's just see how far down the chain of command we have to go to find someone who actually showed up. Never mind; he's done so well in domestic matters that I'm sure this will all carry over when we go to battle with the infidels, right? And we have god on our side, right? The god who gives us permission to torture people as long as it's not done on US soil. I'm disgusted with the whole lot of them, except for John McCain, who really does have the right combination of balls, intelligence and morality. Capt. Jeff Hey, we have a brand-spanking-new prison scandal abrewin', on top of all the other Bush debacles. This ought to help keep our troops safer, eh? It's too bad we're stuck with this Gang Who Can't Shoot Straight for three more years. If this 'scandal' was so bad, why did the Democrat vice chairmen on the committees keep so mum about it? Well, for 3 1/2 years he kept mum about it...in case the Dems won the election in 2004 and needed to use those prisons once *they* got in power. As it turned out, the Dems lost the elections in 2004, and it became convenient in January 2005 for Rockefeller to start ****ing and moaning about the prisons in anticipation that the story would help the Dems chances in the '06 elections. To hell with the country. It's all about regaining power. Didn't you read Rockefeller's leaked memo from 2003 revealing the Democratic playbook to destroy the Bush administration? Everything that has happened since '03 is right out of the playbook...including the shutting-down-the-senate tactic the other day by Reid. I thought, from reading many of Chuck's posts, that the Democrats were always 'above board', so to speak. From what you've posted here, the stories about the union big wigs, and the incessant lies we see right here, I'm beginning to doubt the veracity of Democrats in general. I know I shouldn't generalize though. -- John H "It's *not* a baby kicking, bride of mine, it's just a fetus!" HK |
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Did Harry say he had you filtered? Wow!
On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:10:44 -0500, "Dr. Dr. Smithers" Ask Me about my Phd @ Diploma Mill .com wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... DSK wrote: wrote: ....a lot of the people who got swept up by mistake and hauled to Abu Ghraib might not have harbored a passionate hatred for the US before they were forced to stand naked and jack off for the amusement of female prison guards, etc,......but they certainly hated the US when they were released. But you see, increasing the number of America's enemies only makes us stronger. Anything less is cowardly appeasement. Will you next suggest that we ultimately kill everybody that we torture so word doesn't get out? That we should operate outside the law, and in secret? Forgive me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that the *exact* behavior, by Saddam Hussein, that we sacrificed thousands of dead and wounded Americans and $200 billion +++++ to try to stop? Yeah, but that was him. DSK You fellows are getting far too Orwellian for this group. Oh, and for Smithers' sake, that would be George Orwell, the British author, not Orson Welles. the actor, or Martin Luther, the anti-Semite. -- John H "It's *not* a baby kicking, bride of mine, it's just a fetus!" HK |
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He says he had me filtered except the time I hinted who I was, then he
immediately saw my post. ; ) "John H." wrote in message ... Did Harry say he had you filtered? Wow! On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:10:44 -0500, "Dr. Dr. Smithers" Ask Me about my Phd @ Diploma Mill .com wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... DSK wrote: wrote: ....a lot of the people who got swept up by mistake and hauled to Abu Ghraib might not have harbored a passionate hatred for the US before they were forced to stand naked and jack off for the amusement of female prison guards, etc,......but they certainly hated the US when they were released. But you see, increasing the number of America's enemies only makes us stronger. Anything less is cowardly appeasement. Will you next suggest that we ultimately kill everybody that we torture so word doesn't get out? That we should operate outside the law, and in secret? Forgive me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that the *exact* behavior, by Saddam Hussein, that we sacrificed thousands of dead and wounded Americans and $200 billion +++++ to try to stop? Yeah, but that was him. DSK You fellows are getting far too Orwellian for this group. Oh, and for Smithers' sake, that would be George Orwell, the British author, not Orson Welles. the actor, or Martin Luther, the anti-Semite. -- John H "It's *not* a baby kicking, bride of mine, it's just a fetus!" HK |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... John H. wrote: Did Harry say he had you filtered? Wow! On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:10:44 -0500, "Dr. Dr. Smithers" Ask Me about my Phd @ Diploma Mill .com wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... DSK wrote: wrote: ....a lot of the people who got swept up by mistake and hauled to Abu Ghraib might not have harbored a passionate hatred for the US before they were forced to stand naked and jack off for the amusement of female prison guards, etc,......but they certainly hated the US when they were released. But you see, increasing the number of America's enemies only makes us stronger. Anything less is cowardly appeasement. Will you next suggest that we ultimately kill everybody that we torture so word doesn't get out? That we should operate outside the law, and in secret? Forgive me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that the *exact* behavior, by Saddam Hussein, that we sacrificed thousands of dead and wounded Americans and $200 billion +++++ to try to stop? Yeah, but that was him. DSK You fellows are getting far too Orwellian for this group. Oh, and for Smithers' sake, that would be George Orwell, the British author, not Orson Welles. the actor, or Martin Luther, the anti-Semite. I only see Smithers second-hand, as it were. He's filtered, but some of his posts are picked up and requoted and obviously I see some of those. D'oh. Seriously Harry, that feeble excuse is getting old. |
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On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 17:42:28 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:
John H. wrote: Did Harry say he had you filtered? Wow! On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:10:44 -0500, "Dr. Dr. Smithers" Ask Me about my Phd @ Diploma Mill .com wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... DSK wrote: wrote: ....a lot of the people who got swept up by mistake and hauled to Abu Ghraib might not have harbored a passionate hatred for the US before they were forced to stand naked and jack off for the amusement of female prison guards, etc,......but they certainly hated the US when they were released. But you see, increasing the number of America's enemies only makes us stronger. Anything less is cowardly appeasement. Will you next suggest that we ultimately kill everybody that we torture so word doesn't get out? That we should operate outside the law, and in secret? Forgive me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that the *exact* behavior, by Saddam Hussein, that we sacrificed thousands of dead and wounded Americans and $200 billion +++++ to try to stop? Yeah, but that was him. DSK You fellows are getting far too Orwellian for this group. Oh, and for Smithers' sake, that would be George Orwell, the British author, not Orson Welles. the actor, or Martin Luther, the anti-Semite. I only see Smithers second-hand, as it were. He's filtered, but some of his posts are picked up and requoted and obviously I see some of those. D'oh. You must have seen that one first-hand, because I deleted his comment from my post. (snicker..) -- John H "It's *not* a baby kicking, bride of mine, it's just a fetus!" HK |
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On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 18:18:05 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:
*JimH* wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... John H. wrote: Did Harry say he had you filtered? Wow! On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:10:44 -0500, "Dr. Dr. Smithers" Ask Me about my Phd @ Diploma Mill .com wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... DSK wrote: wrote: ....a lot of the people who got swept up by mistake and hauled to Abu Ghraib might not have harbored a passionate hatred for the US before they were forced to stand naked and jack off for the amusement of female prison guards, etc,......but they certainly hated the US when they were released. But you see, increasing the number of America's enemies only makes us stronger. Anything less is cowardly appeasement. Will you next suggest that we ultimately kill everybody that we torture so word doesn't get out? That we should operate outside the law, and in secret? Forgive me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that the *exact* behavior, by Saddam Hussein, that we sacrificed thousands of dead and wounded Americans and $200 billion +++++ to try to stop? Yeah, but that was him. DSK You fellows are getting far too Orwellian for this group. Oh, and for Smithers' sake, that would be George Orwell, the British author, not Orson Welles. the actor, or Martin Luther, the anti-Semite. I only see Smithers second-hand, as it were. He's filtered, but some of his posts are picked up and requoted and obviously I see some of those. D'oh. Seriously Harry, that feeble excuse is getting old. Excuse? It is the way it is. I don't see any of the sh*thead's posts directly, but only when one of them is requoted by someone else. Is that a difficult concept for you? Except...I didn't quote it. WHOOOPS! -- John H "It's *not* a baby kicking, bride of mine, it's just a fetus!" HK |
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On 3 Nov 2005 08:16:36 -0800, "Ron M." wrote:
Stuff snipped Back in Vietnam, we just took VC captives up to 10,000 feet in choppers and threatened to kick them out the door if they didn't talk. It worked great, too, they'd jabber like typewriters up there. Saved the lives of thousands of U.S. soldiers. There were other effective tricks, too, like slowly peeling strips of skin off their legs with a pair of pliers, or sticking flamethrowers up their butts. Sorry Ron but that is bull****. You've been watching too many movies. You throw someone out of a chopper and you've got a minimum of 3 witnesses, 2 of which are officers and not likely to risk their position for your sorry ass. You were probably "Jody" during Vietnam. More stuff snipped Ron M. Mark E. Williams |
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Harry,
I have made many comments that have never been quoted or responded to by anyone, yet you will bring it up when you make one of your ineffective barbs. Your comment about filtering me is as honest as your story about your lobster boat, your education, your wife's MD degree, and the many stories of greatness. Harry, you do not have the mental abilities to keep up with all of your fictious tales, it is best if you stick to the truth, it will make your life easier. "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... John H. wrote: On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 18:18:05 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: *JimH* wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... John H. wrote: Did Harry say he had you filtered? Wow! On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:10:44 -0500, "Dr. Dr. Smithers" Ask Me about my Phd @ Diploma Mill .com wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... DSK wrote: wrote: ....a lot of the people who got swept up by mistake and hauled to Abu Ghraib might not have harbored a passionate hatred for the US before they were forced to stand naked and jack off for the amusement of female prison guards, etc,......but they certainly hated the US when they were released. But you see, increasing the number of America's enemies only makes us stronger. Anything less is cowardly appeasement. Will you next suggest that we ultimately kill everybody that we torture so word doesn't get out? That we should operate outside the law, and in secret? Forgive me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that the *exact* behavior, by Saddam Hussein, that we sacrificed thousands of dead and wounded Americans and $200 billion +++++ to try to stop? Yeah, but that was him. DSK You fellows are getting far too Orwellian for this group. Oh, and for Smithers' sake, that would be George Orwell, the British author, not Orson Welles. the actor, or Martin Luther, the anti-Semite. I only see Smithers second-hand, as it were. He's filtered, but some of his posts are picked up and requoted and obviously I see some of those. D'oh. Seriously Harry, that feeble excuse is getting old. Excuse? It is the way it is. I don't see any of the sh*thead's posts directly, but only when one of them is requoted by someone else. Is that a difficult concept for you? Except...I didn't quote it. WHOOOPS! No one claimed you did. |
WW III is Here
Skippy,
If you think "Dems are pacifists I have some news for you. Check out the following list then consider revising your statement. Democrats * Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71. * David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72. * Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72. * Al Go enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam Jan. 1971 as an army journalist in 20th Engineer Brigade. * Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam. * Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-47; Medal of Honor, WWII. * John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V, Purple Hearts. * Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea. * Max Cleland: Captain, Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star, Vietnam. * Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-53. * Tom Harkin: Lt., Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74. * Jack Reed: Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91. * Fritz Hollings: Army officer in WWII; Bronze Star and seven campaign ribbons. * Leonard Boswell: Lt. Col., Army 1956-76; Vietnam, DFCs, Bronze Stars, and Soldier's Medal. * Pete Peterson: Air Force Captain, POW. Purple Heart, Silver Star and Legion of Merit. * Mike Thompson: Staff sergeant, 173rd Airborne, Purple Heart. * Bill McBride: Candidate for Fla. Governor. Marine in Vietnam; Bronze Star with Combat V. * Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze Star. * Pete Stark: Air Force 1955-57 * Chuck Robb: Vietnam * Howell Heflin: Silver Star * George McGovern: Silver Star & DFC ! during WWII. * Bill Clinton: Did not serve. Student deferments. Entered draft but received #311. * Jimmy Carter: Seven years in the Navy. * Walter Mondale: Army 1951-1953 * John Glenn: WWII and Korea; six DFCs and Air Medal with 18 Clusters. * Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII. Saved by Raoul Wallenberg. Republicans * Dennis Hastert: did not serve. * Tom Delay: did not serve. * Roy Blunt: did not serve. * Bill Frist: did not serve. * Mitch McConnell: did not serve. * Rick Santorum: did not serve. * Trent Lott: did not serve. * Dick Cheney: did not serve. Several deferments, the last by marriage. * John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments to teach business. * Jeb Bush: did not serve. * Karl Rove: did not serve. * Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. "Bad knee." The man who attacked Cleland's patriotism. * Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve. * Vin Weber: did not serve. * Richard Perle: did not serve. * Douglas Feith: did not serve. * Eliot Abrams: did not serve. * Richard Shelby: did not serve. * Jon Kyl: did not serve. * Tim Hutchison: did not serve. * Christopher Cox: did not serve. * Newt Gingrich: did not serve. * Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as flight instructor. * George W. Bush: failed to complete his six-year National Guard; got assigned to Alabama so he could campaign for family friend running for U.S. Senate; failed to show up for required medical exam, disappeared from duty. * Ronald Reagan: due to poor eyesight, served in a non-combat role making movies. * B-1 Bob Dornan: Consciously enlisted after fighting was over in Korea. * Phil Gramm: did not serve. * John McCain: Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross and POW. * Dana Rohrabacher: did not serve. * John M. McHugh: did not serve. * JC Watts: did not serve. * Jack Kemp: did not serve. "Knee problem," although continued in NFL for 8 years. * Dan Quayle: Journalism unit of the Indiana National Guard. * Rudy Giuliani: did not serve. * George Pataki: did not serve. * Spencer Abraham: did not serve. * John Engler: did not serve. * Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer. * Arnold Schwarzenegger: AWOL from Austrian army! base. Pundits & Preachers * Sean Hannity: did not serve. * Rush Limbaugh: did not serve (4-F with a 'pilonidal cyst.') * Bill O'Reilly: did not serve. * Michael Savage: did not serve. * George Will: did not serve. * Chris Matthews: did not serve. * Paul Gigot: did not serve. * Bill Bennett: did not serve. * Pat Buchanan: did not serve. * John Wayne: did not serve. * Bill Kristol: did not serve. * Kenneth Starr: did not serve. * Antonin Scalia: did not serve. * Clarence Thomas: did not serve. * Ralph Reed: did not serve. * Michael Medved: did not serve. * Charlie Daniels: did not serve. * Ted Nugent: did not serve. (He only shoots at things that don't shoot back.) -- George W. Bush has failed America on the economy, civil liberties, the environment, nuclear proliferation and, most unforgivable, on national security by leading us into an unnecessary war in Iraq that has distracted our attention from and diminished our capability to fight a comprehensive global war on terror. "Skipper" wrote in message ... Iran kicked out foreigners today. They have declared war on Israel. Iran and Korea are real threats. The predictions from the last three decades have become reality. Wonder if the Dems and EUers will continue to be pacifists? -- Skipper |
Anti-Americans All
FREDO wrote:
Skippy, If you think "Dems are pacifists I have some news for you. Check out the following list then consider revising your statement. Democrats * Al Go enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam Jan. * John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat * Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea. * Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-53. * Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze Star. * George McGovern: Silver Star & DFC ! during WWII. * Bill Clinton: Did not serve. Student deferments. * Jimmy Carter: Seven years in the Navy. * Walter Mondale: Army 1951-1953 * Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII. I know it was you Fredo. You broke my heart. You broke my HEART! Mmmmwa! And while we're on the subject of traitors, you apparently deleted another great American who was listed on that website you found - Michael Dukakis: Army 1955-57 (with additional time riding a tank during his election campaign). Yep, how can we go wrong when you have leaders with the courage of Kennedy, the libido of Carter, and the common sense of Carter and Johnson? Amazin' ain't it? -- Skipper |
Anti-Americans All
You know I have always been a liberal democrat.
"Skipper" wrote in message ... FREDO wrote: Skippy, If you think "Dems are pacifists I have some news for you. Check out the following list then consider revising your statement. Democrats * Al Go enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam Jan. * John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat * Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea. * Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-53. * Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze Star. * George McGovern: Silver Star & DFC ! during WWII. * Bill Clinton: Did not serve. Student deferments. * Jimmy Carter: Seven years in the Navy. * Walter Mondale: Army 1951-1953 * Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII. I know it was you Fredo. You broke my heart. You broke my HEART! Mmmmwa! And while we're on the subject of traitors, you apparently deleted another great American who was listed on that website you found - Michael Dukakis: Army 1955-57 (with additional time riding a tank during his election campaign). Yep, how can we go wrong when you have leaders with the courage of Kennedy, the libido of Carter, and the common sense of Carter and Johnson? Amazin' ain't it? -- Skipper |
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