On behalf of the pwc community, let me say that obviously anyone who
does those things
is idiotic, irresponsible and probably a newbie or a kid. But no one I
ride with, and I ride with lots
of fellow pwc touring/cruising enthusiasts, would do anything like that
once they have maybe a
season's experience under their belt to figure out what's going on (We
usually learn our lessons early on by getting
ticketed by the marine law-enforcement agents who usually seem to
perform more enforcement with pwc's than with
other boats acting just as stupidly and dangerously....and actually
it's good because after you've been
pulled over or ticketed once or twice for a no wake zone or not having
the required safety equipment on board, you learn
the rules pretty fast!....'Course when I started riding eight years
ago, that was before they had the mandatory
education/certification requirement that NYS now has for all pwc
operators, so I would guess that newbies are
more educated and prepared from the get-go now....I know accident and
injury statistics have gone down). Anyway, it is unfair stereotyping
to try to paint the entire pwc world as exhibiting that kind of
behavior. I guarantee you if you saw me or any of my riding friends on
the water you wouldn't see anything like the kind of behavior you
mention.

richforman

You make some good points Rich. To be fair I should mention that we
left the US three years ago and have been sailing the Western Coast of
Mexico since. Here the rules and policing of pwc's is far different,
read non existent. It's good to know that things are shaping up
north of us should we ever sail the US again.

Barb
www.sailinglinks.com

ladysailor wrote:

Some Bud Yelse wrote:
I ran over gravel in my seadoo. How can I unstick my impellor?

Some Co-Troller Yelse wrote:
Flush it with gas, use zippo to see inside if it's unclogged.
..
..(Paraphrased) Other insults redacted -TK
..
A real Seadoo Bunny wrote:
No d, I can't say that we've ever been cussed at. But then, we don't
go out of our way to **** people off by buzzing around them, cutting
them off and racing through marina's causing large wakes.

Barb
www.sailinglinks.com


You can jump my wake, if chasing sailors is your crush.

Once or twice, anyway. Maybe I could give you a tow, if you want to
come aboard for a coffee.

One of my best feelings was when we towed under sail a family of 5
in a small speedboat at near hull speed. As it happened, they were
flooded, not out of gas. After half an hour of coaching, the
skipper began to understand starting a hot engine with a manual
choke. Who said sailors don't need to be gearheads? At least they
were all wearing lifejackets. Foreigners, visiting a wedding. A
rented motorboat excursion thrill, worried grandma and all. They got
to the wedding on time.

Didj'a ever climb the rigging from from one boat to another? I have
a ladder on my transom that can be used for docking my dinghy. It
makes it easy to get back and forth, even under way, with hand
lines. Pulling a rope on a seadoo bow shouldn't be any more
difficult than pulling my old dinghy close up behind, even at
sailing speed.

Could you climb from your cockpit to the bow of your sea scooter if
it was tied to my stern ladder articulation whilst under sail?

Would a flooded flexy framed inflatable sailcloth bumkin shape make
a seadoo easier to tow at sailing speed? What a plan for a fast
dinghy! An inflatable "trailer" for a seadoo might make it a winner
as a sailor's second boat. Fun? It could also tow, even push a
becalmed pure sailboat back to it's mooring.

Strangely, it seems the most expensive part of a sailboat is an
engine. Why can not an engine for a sail boat cost less than for an
obnoxius sounding wave jumper?

Perhaps an inflatable sailboat with a built in dock for a seadoo, al
la Captain Nemo's submarine dinghy?

How about a submersible swath effect sailboat with no need for a
weighty keel? A seperate steerable tip on a keel should enable a
hydrodynamic steerable keel effect, keeping the keel erect in the
water even under press of sail. Would the hydrodynamic drag be less
than that of a heavy weight keel supporting hull? Why could not a
submarine be towed by a kite hooked to it's periscope?

Add a n inflatable trampoline and a picknic basket and you have a
floating airbed mattress and tent you could portage, except for the
heavy engine. No mast, even. Maybe 10 HP would do?

The reason sailing is getting so expensive is a marketing ploy to
pare down the number of adventurous people on the water, while
extracting the most money from the rich aspiring boat snobs. They
would pose less of a crowd control problem if their propellors did
not hurt manatees.

You could even have a bicycle based excercise machine to recharge
the Hall effect brake regenerator rotor motor batteries for the 3 hp
impellor, if the inflatable solar cells weren't getting enough sun,
and there wasn't enough wind to sail, and if you couldn't afford or
find gas or diesel. Or, you could pay to join an excercise club?

How much power do you really need to tow a skiier, even as slowly as
possible?

Don't I remember a ski tow drone with remote control tow cables
being in the news 20 years ago with a 20 horse motor? Remember the
pogo foil water scooter? They have international races, now, like a
scooter steeplchase.

Is this an overheating thread?

Reverse flush your impellor! turn it a little in reverse by hand.
Take the spark plugs out to make it easy to turn. Get a firefighting
hose fixture on the outlet of your seadoo, volunteer as a helicopter
smoke jumper into a lake or river near a forest fire or village in
need of water. Anchor just offshore to fight the fire and tie the
boatette to a tree. Tow a Zeanon water filter in a flexy bag.

No, I'm not the Terry Spragg who invented the water bag for towing
glaciers to Saudi Arabia. Somebody called me once, looking for him.

Your free sample of ideas from -SofDevCo- © "Brains for rent."

Job opportuniy: Need freelance marketing executive, or government
grant for feasability study. Undetectable kickbacks not guaranteed.
-You could be our first customer.

College research theses entertained. Non-disclosure agreement required.

Terry K

Rich, we spoke on the phone once, years ago. It may have been about the
ride around Manhattan, or maybe one of the poker runs up the Hudson. I
think I had spoken to Mario about that ride too. We never made it. I
think we exchanged a few emails about that trip to Florida a few years
back.

I don't remember if you were the same guy that works at the marina West
Sayville. I lost touch with everyone except for Bill O'Neil who I spoke
to a few weeks ago.

John

wrote:

On behalf of the pwc community, let me say that obviously anyone who
does those things
is idiotic, irresponsible and probably a newbie or a kid. But no one I
ride with, and I ride with lots
of fellow pwc touring/cruising enthusiasts, would do anything like that
once they have maybe a
season's experience under their belt to figure out what's going on (We
usually learn our lessons early on by getting
ticketed by the marine law-enforcement agents who usually seem to
perform more enforcement with pwc's than with
other boats acting just as stupidly and dangerously....and actually
it's good because after you've been
pulled over or ticketed once or twice for a no wake zone or not having
the required safety equipment on board, you learn
the rules pretty fast!....'Course when I started riding eight years
ago, that was before they had the mandatory
education/certification requirement that NYS now has for all pwc
operators, so I would guess that newbies are
more educated and prepared from the get-go now....I know accident and
injury statistics have gone down). Anyway, it is unfair stereotyping
to try to paint the entire pwc world as exhibiting that kind of
behavior. I guarantee you if you saw me or any of my riding friends on
the water you wouldn't see anything like the kind of behavior you
mention.

richforman


I second that emotion.

Most PWCers I see seem intent on getting to their favorite fishing
spot, and then home in time to cook their catch for supper. No
bother, really.

It's usually the kids... Wannabe hells rangers waterbikers, it seems.

Terry K

You're thinking of Mark D'Angelis, he does work there a lot but that's
because he owns the place! (West Sayville Boat Basin) I don't keep
my 'ski on his jetdocks anymore (I did for the summers of '00 and '01 I
think, then decided I preferred keeping it at home and trailering it
around to different spots all the time) so I'm not as close to him as I
was then, but I still pull up to his jetdocks on my 'ski to say hi at
least once or twice a season (he hasn't done much pwc'ing at all the
last few years, now that he's got three kids he has gotten more into
"regular boating.") Oh well good chatting, do you still ride pwc's,
hope so, must be lots of beautiful riding to be done where you are now.

richforman

I rode alot more when I was living in Bellmore. We lived in a
waterfront house on Bellmore creek with the skis on a floating dock. I
miss the grass cuts by Massapequa. Lakes get boring quick.

I think we met you guys at Gilgo when they were doing a SeaDoo demo day
thing a few years ago. I met Mario there, I'm not sure if I met you too
then. My wife and I towed our skis there for the day with the boat.

We ate lunch once at the restaurant to his marina. He later said he saw
us, but never came by. The trip back to Bellmore got snotty when the
wind kicked up. Between the grass and the waves, it took us hours to
get back to Bellmore.

John

"I have no sympathy for the jet ski enthustiast."

And I have no sympathy for you or your dog.

If the PWC'ers are violating the local laws or ordinances then they are
criminals and should be dealt with. We don't hate cars and drivers because
some people use them illegally.

If they are following the letter of the law and you just "don't like the
noise"... then the problem is with YOU. Unless you own your own lake,
you're not guaranteed "quiet and solitude".

It should probably also be noted that the new generation of PWC's are
amazingly quiet... usually quieter than any other powered "boat" out there.

Giz



"ladysailor" wrote in message
ups.com...
I have no sympathy for the jet ski enthustiast. Too many times I've
been in a tight situation on a sail boat when these dick heads think
it's funny to ride doughnuts around us. Not to mention the times we've
been at anchor and they scream around our boat just to get a rise out
of our little dog who hates the noise they make.

I'm with the dog, I don't like the noise either!

Lady Sailor

"The_Giz" wrote in message
...
"I have no sympathy for the jet ski enthustiast."

And I have no sympathy for you or your dog.

If the PWC'ers are violating the local laws or ordinances then they are
criminals and should be dealt with. We don't hate cars and drivers
because some people use them illegally.

Well, some of us do, but on general principles.

If they are following the letter of the law and you just "don't like the
noise"... then the problem is with YOU. Unless you own your own lake,
you're not guaranteed "quiet and solitude".

There is a presumption of quiet enjoyment in most anchorages. And, what
happened to the spirit of the law, rather than just the letter of the law?
The point is that being a good neighbor has more to do with the former than
the latter.

It should probably also be noted that the new generation of PWC's are
amazingly quiet... usually quieter than any other powered "boat" out
there.

I guess I don't get out enough. I have yet to run over, I mean run into, I
mean see/hear one of these.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Capt. JG wrote:


I guess I don't get out enough. I have yet to run over, I mean run into, I
mean see/hear one of these.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Hi, Jon,

Yes, it's true. I just sold my lake home near Atlanta, on the way out
the door, so to speak, to cutting the cord.

The last few days I was there, after spending most of the summer and
prior two seasons working on the Flying Pig, thus not having a chance
to see it, either, I saw several of the new breed of jetskis (well,
technically, PWC - I can't speak to what actual Jetskis are like).

Much to my surprise, I could scarcely hear them. They made every bit
as much wake at slow speed, and were every bit as zippy at high speed,
as the PWC they looked like, but - while I could tell it was running -
it sounded a bit like a high quality I/O with a better than usual
muffling job.

It reminded me much more of a car than a boat noise...

FWIW, on Lanier, where I used to live, we have gotten a bit more of the
new breed rider than the old of late, which is refreshing to think
about. Even though I'm not going to be on that lake again, most
likely, ever, it's encouraging to see the evolution.

And, in my runabout, if I see a jumper, I enjoy(ed) giving them a
suitable wake, in an appropriate area. Some of them are definitely
balletic. OTOH, the only two boats I have left which can do that are
for sale and won't go "on the boat" with us, so I suspect I'll have to
enjoy others' provisions, if there are any, in our cruising grounds
:{))

L8R

Skip, recovering from nasal and sinus surgery on the way to active
shoulder rehab so I can get back to final refit and cut the cord

Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig
http://tinyurl.com/384p2 The vessel as Tehamana, as we bought her

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