Skipper Reports on His Boat shopping......
 

From October 2001:

I've shared that tale with the NG previously. So, one more time... We
became interested in two boats in the Seattle area a while back. One
was
a 53 Skookum and the other was a 48 Northcoast, two completely
different
boats. Chuck had offered to represent our interests for boats in this
area. However, I felt an obligation to the brokers we had previously
made contact with and continued negotiating with the Northcoast and
Skookum brokers. The admiral preferred the Northcoast and I preferred
the Skookum.

A few weeks went by as the Admiral made convincing arguments for the
Northcoast. I called the broken to make an offer and was told the boat
had just been sold. Had we retained Chuck to represent our interests, I

believe that disappointment could have been avoided.


Two more weeks went by as I made the case for the Skookum in Anacortes.

The Admiral finally relented and I called the listing broker. Good
news,
the boat was still available and as the boat had been for sale for over

a year with no takers, the broker thought our offer would be accepted.
He called the next day to say he had spoken with the owner's wife and
that she had accepted the deal pending her husbands return (was
ferrying
a Nordhavn to Hawaii). We thought the deal was done.


A week passed with no new information so I started calling daily. We
were repeatedly told to rest assured and that the owner's return was
just a "formality", and "his wife had accepted the offer". Well, we
went
through 4 weeks of this uncertainty, unable to schedule reservations
for
the flight out to close.


Finally, we called one day to learn that the broker had just gone on
vacation and the boat was sold to someone else for $10,000 more than we

had offered and they were returning our check. We had been lied to and
this guy was using our offer to conduct an auction, IMO. I also believe

that had we hired Chuck to represent our interests this sad tale could
have been avoided.

Skipper Reports on His Boat shopping......
 

Skipper Reports on His Boat shopping......
 

In article .com,
says...
From October 2001:

I've shared that tale with the NG previously. So, one more time...

Excuse my ignorance but I don't understand your point in posting this...

jps

Skipper Reports on His Boat shopping......
 

jps wrote:
In article .com,
says...
From October 2001:

I've shared that tale with the NG previously. So, one more time...

Excuse my ignorance but I don't understand your point in posting this...

jps

Then you must have missed Psuedo Skipper Cave Mann's latest mission in
his otherwise meaningless life.

He spends his days thinking of not-so-clever ways to continuously
restate that he was disgusted with my immediately transparent
hucksterism and dishonesty- qualities that he claims were oozing from
every pore during our first meeting in Seattle and our second meeting,
many months or maybe even a year later.

If I choose to respond, my choices are to either engage in a you
said/Did not, you said/ did not, you said/did not cycle jerk or simply
post the evidence that puts the LIAR's hat squarely on Cave Mann's
oh-so-deserving head. Yes, it's true that when asked "Were you lying
then, or lying now?"
he insists he was lying then- but the liar's hat remains in place even
so.
(If Cave Mann the Psuedo Skipper found me such a transparent "shyster",
it's amazing that he sought another meeting with me on his second
shopping trip.)

The plain truth of the matter is that Cave Mann felt the urge to wade
into the NG and begin attacking one of the "rad/libs", and invented
this pretense, based on two meetings of at least 5 years ago, as an
excuse. He has shown himself to be truly as pathetic as most people
consider him to be.

I'm willing to let most of his his racist remarks, his anti-semitic
remarks, his John Birch Society/ PNAC perspective on the world, and the
generally disruptive behavior of this wanna-be sal****er boater from
the heart of KS slide, but when he decides to launch a personal
campaign with me in the crosshairs of his flame thrower I have the
right to counter if I choose to.

I chose to counter with evidence that proves, in Cave Mann's own
unimpeachable words from the public record, that the dishonesty he is
claiming is my stock in trade is simply a projection of his own fatal
flaw.

It's a heck of a thing to stand up to your eyebrows in the stinking
excrement of bald-faced dishonesty and cry out, "Oh look! I think
so-and so might have stepped in some crap! Better check the bottom of
his shoes!"
Only a prick without a shred of conscience thinks there's a good answer
to the question, "were you lying then, or lying now?" He says he was
lying then. I know he's lying now. Oh well, at least he's consistent.

Skipper Reports on His Boat shopping......
 

Skipper Reports on His Boat shopping......
 

On 18 Oct 2005 08:44:16 -0700, wrote:


jps wrote:
In article .com,
says...
From October 2001:

I've shared that tale with the NG previously. So, one more time...

Excuse my ignorance but I don't understand your point in posting this...

jps

Then you must have missed Psuedo Skipper Cave Mann's latest mission in
his otherwise meaningless life.

He spends his days thinking of not-so-clever ways to continuously
restate that he was disgusted with my immediately transparent
hucksterism and dishonesty- qualities that he claims were oozing from
every pore during our first meeting in Seattle and our second meeting,
many months or maybe even a year later.

If I choose to respond, my choices are to either engage in a you
said/Did not, you said/ did not, you said/did not cycle jerk or simply
post the evidence that puts the LIAR's hat squarely on Cave Mann's
oh-so-deserving head. Yes, it's true that when asked "Were you lying
then, or lying now?"
he insists he was lying then- but the liar's hat remains in place even
so.
(If Cave Mann the Psuedo Skipper found me such a transparent "shyster",
it's amazing that he sought another meeting with me on his second
shopping trip.)

The plain truth of the matter is that Cave Mann felt the urge to wade
into the NG and begin attacking one of the "rad/libs", and invented
this pretense, based on two meetings of at least 5 years ago, as an
excuse. He has shown himself to be truly as pathetic as most people
consider him to be.

I'm willing to let most of his his racist remarks, his anti-semitic
remarks, his John Birch Society/ PNAC perspective on the world, and the
generally disruptive behavior of this wanna-be sal****er boater from
the heart of KS slide, but when he decides to launch a personal
campaign with me in the crosshairs of his flame thrower I have the
right to counter if I choose to.

I chose to counter with evidence that proves, in Cave Mann's own
unimpeachable words from the public record, that the dishonesty he is
claiming is my stock in trade is simply a projection of his own fatal
flaw.

It's a heck of a thing to stand up to your eyebrows in the stinking
excrement of bald-faced dishonesty and cry out, "Oh look! I think
so-and so might have stepped in some crap! Better check the bottom of
his shoes!"
Only a prick without a shred of conscience thinks there's a good answer
to the question, "were you lying then, or lying now?" He says he was
lying then. I know he's lying now. Oh well, at least he's consistent.

The shame, Chuck, is that you are letting someone get to you, badly.

I have no idea if your nemesis is the real Skipper, or not. I'm leaning towards
'real' based on what many have posted. But, the important thing is that it
should make no difference to you *what* I believe about the matter.

You're being puppy-dogged just as Krause has done me since I first disagreed
with him. Finally, Krause began telling some horrendous lies, and I called him
on it, telling him he was a ****ing liar. Bad language, but true. Got it out of
my system.

Now he's kill filed. I see his posts when someone responds to him, usually as
they're telling him he's a (pick your favorite derogatory name).

I can see he hangs on to many of my posts, but you know what - it doesn't bother
me. It's funny. He is simply someone else begging for attention.

--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

Skipper Reports on His Boat shopping......
 

Harry Krause wrote:

Skipper wrote:
wrote:

So, one more time... We became interested in two boats in the Seattle
area a while back. One was a 53 Skookum and the other was a 48
Northcoast, two completely different boats. Chuck had offered to
represent our interests for boats in this area. However, I felt an
obligation to the brokers we had previously made contact with and
continued negotiating with the Northcoast and Skookum brokers. The
admiral preferred the Northcoast and I preferred the Skookum.

Again...a couple questions, Chuckie. Did I *specifically* ask you to
check into the Northcoast by visiting the selling broker and boat (a few
hundred yards down the road from your location on Lake Union)? What did
you do about that request? Was that proper and ethical conduct for a
buyer's broker?

Chuck 250
pseudoSkipper 0

You lost, turdbrain.

It's a simple question and goes to the heart of this shysters business
and personal ethics. His answer to the question, or lack of one, should
illuminate the truth of the matter.

Oh yes, one more illuminating question for Chuckie. When you asked to be
our representative, did I give you approval? We can discuss what actions
you took with that approval. That in itself should shed some light on
the first paragraph above and your business conduct.

--
Skipper

Skipper Reports on His Boat shopping......
 

A couple questions, Chuckie. Did I *specifically* ask you to check into
the Northcoast by visiting the selling broker and boat? What did you do
about that request?

--
Skipper

Yes. I don't recall the name "Northcoast", but there was some
discussion about a boat for which you were already in the process of
formulating a purchase offer. You have to remember that I did business
with hundreds of buyers and sellers, while you dealt with only a few
brokers. Your memory of minute details, (such as the make of the boat)
should be better than mine.

I told you immediately that the process was too far along for another
broker to become involved. A broker has to represent either the seller
or the buyer in a transaction. The boat you were interested in was not
my listing, therefore I could not represent the seller. You had already
entered discussions with another broker in another brokerage regarding
the purchase of this boat. There was no role in your prospective
transaction for a third broker. See your own words above; even you felt
"obliged" to the broker you had already contacted about the boat. (as
you should have)

I told you that if the deal didn't go through that I would be happy to
present offers on future boats in the Pac. NW, but that under the
co-brokerage rules in the industry I needed to be involved at the
beginning of the process, not called upon halfway through the deal. I
may have offered to take a look at the boat and render an opinion if I
were in the town where the boat was for sale on some other business in
the near future, and while that seems like something I would have I
don't specifically remember several years later whether I did or did
not make such an offer. I know that I never looked at the boat- but it
was not in Seattle and I wasn't about to waste most of a day on a
specific round trip to see the boat. (Without any official role in the
transaction- there is no guarantee that the listing broker would have
even let me aboard the boat. In fact, there could be an excellent
argument advanced that since the boat was in the fiduciary care of the
seller's agent it was that broker's repsonsibilty to keep extraneous
people *off* the boat). There was no way that I could or should become
officially involved in the middle of your transaction at that point in
time.


Trivia of the Day: Did you know that many people who fundamentally
dislike who and what they are project their own worst faults onto
others
and take out their self-loathing by critcizing those estranged flaws
from a third person perspective? The only real cure for this, I
believe, is to stop with all the projecting and deal with the problems
internally. Should you meet somebody with this problem, encourage them
to seek medical help. A skilled therapist can do wonders. It's never
too late for an adult to modify his/her behavior.

Skipper Reports on His Boat shopping......
 

The shame, Chuck, is that you are letting someone get to you, badly.

The shame is that I went out of my way to be courteous to this guy,
despite a long history of contentious conversations, and to treat him
very professionally when he sought my help. The shame is that five
years later he chooses to capitalize on his relatively unique position
("I've met this shyster in person!") to launch a campaign of flame
throwing and crap slinging based on some out-of-the blue accusations of
dishonest dealing. None of the many comments he posted to this same NG
following his trips to Seattle contained anything except glowing
remarks about his experiences when dealing with me.

Whether he was lying then or lying now doesn't really matter. His own
words prove that he is a far bigger liar than most people could ever
aspire to become.

Skipper Reports on His Boat shopping......
 

Skipper Reports on His Boat shopping......
 

Harry Krause wrote:

From his years of posting here, and from my personal contact with him,
I have concluded Chuck is an honorable man.

Oh, you've had business dealings with Chuckie. Now that is interesting.
And when it comes to honorable men, you have a lot of nerve considering
yourself as a judge of that trait.

--
Skipper

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"Skipper" wrote in message
...
Harry Krause wrote:

From his years of posting here, and from my personal contact with him,
I have concluded Chuck is an honorable man.

Oh, you've had business dealings with Chuckie. Now that is interesting.
And when it comes to honorable men, you have a lot of nerve considering
yourself as a judge of that trait.


I is appropriate that harry considers chuck honorable.........considering
what a proven liar harry is......and the "birds of a feather" thing :-)

--
Skipper

Skipper Reports on His Boat shopping......
 

Skipper Reports on His Boat shopping......
 

Harry Krause wrote:

I've been here for many years and have never encountered a poster who
had business dealings with Chuck that were anything but honorable.

Then I would suggest your reading comprehension is a bit too shallow.

You're really a pretty low life form, fella. No wonder you're cavorting
with the likes of Hertvik, Herring, Smithers, and the rest of the
scumbags. Birds of a feather.

What, do they lie about the ownership of fab Zimmermanlike 36' lobster
boats, flame assorted NG readers, spew political hate, and generally act
like flaming "rectal fissures"? Oh, the shame of it.

BTW, that's quite an enemies list you've developed there, Krause.

--
Skipper

Skipper Reports on His Boat shopping......
 

Harry,
I would guess Chuck would prefer not to have your endorsement.


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Skipper wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:

Skipper wrote:
wrote:

So, one more time... We became interested in two boats in the Seattle
area a while back. One was a 53 Skookum and the other was a 48
Northcoast, two completely different boats. Chuck had offered to
represent our interests for boats in this area. However, I felt an
obligation to the brokers we had previously made contact with and
continued negotiating with the Northcoast and Skookum brokers. The
admiral preferred the Northcoast and I preferred the Skookum.

Again...a couple questions, Chuckie. Did I *specifically* ask you to
check into the Northcoast by visiting the selling broker and boat (a
few
hundred yards down the road from your location on Lake Union)? What did
you do about that request? Was that proper and ethical conduct for a
buyer's broker?

Chuck 250
pseudoSkipper 0

You lost, turdbrain.

It's a simple question and goes to the heart of this shysters business
and personal ethics. His answer to the question, or lack of one, should
illuminate the truth of the matter.

Oh yes, one more illuminating question for Chuckie. When you asked to be
our representative, did I give you approval? We can discuss what actions
you took with that approval. That in itself should shed some light on
the first paragraph above and your business conduct.

--
Skipper


From his years of posting here, and from my personal contact with him, I
have concluded Chuck is an honorable man.

I never thought *that* of the real Skipper. And you ain't the real
Skipper.

Skipper Reports on His Boat shopping......
 

On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 12:42:08 -0500, Skipper wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

I've been here for many years and have never encountered a poster who
had business dealings with Chuck that were anything but honorable.

Then I would suggest your reading comprehension is a bit too shallow.

You're really a pretty low life form, fella. No wonder you're cavorting
with the likes of Hertvik, Herring, Smithers, and the rest of the
scumbags. Birds of a feather.

What, do they lie about the ownership of fab Zimmermanlike 36' lobster
boats, flame assorted NG readers, spew political hate, and generally act
like flaming "rectal fissures"? Oh, the shame of it.

BTW, that's quite an enemies list you've developed there, Krause.

If I were in Chuck's shoes, I'd sure as hell *not* want a ringing endorsement of
my integrity from Harry Krause!
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

Skipper Reports on His Boat shopping......
 

Skipper wrote:
wrote:

A couple questions, Chuckie. Did I *specifically* ask you to check into
the Northcoast by visiting the selling broker and boat? What did you do
about that request?

Yes. I don't recall the name "Northcoast", but there was some
discussion about a boat for which you were already in the process of
formulating a purchase offer.

The truth is I had only looked at the boat and asked you to visit the
boat and broker as my agent. You agreed to do this...but did nothing.

You have to remember that I did business with hundreds of buyers and
sellers, while you dealt with only a few brokers. Your memory of
minute details, (such as the make of the boat) should be better than
mine.

Weak. Actually, the lame excuse of a scoundrel...a used car salesman.

I told you immediately that the process was too far along for another
broker to become involved.

You did NOT! You agreed to look into the boat.

A broker has to represent either the seller or the buyer in a
transaction. The boat you were interested in was not my listing,
therefore I could not represent the seller. You had already
entered discussions with another broker in another brokerage regarding
the purchase of this boat. There was no role in your prospective
transaction for a third broker. See your own words above; even you felt
"obliged" to the broker you had already contacted about the boat. (as
you should have)

Is that why you agreed to look into the boat as my representative?

I told you that if the deal didn't go through that I would be happy to
present offers on future boats in the Pac. NW, but that under the
co-brokerage rules in the industry I needed to be involved at the
beginning of the process, not called upon halfway through the deal.

You did nothing of the kind. You agreed to look into the boat.

I may have offered to take a look at the boat and render an opinion if I
were in the town where the boat was for sale on some other business in
the near future, and while that seems like something I would have I
don't specifically remember several years later whether I did or did
not make such an offer. I know that I never looked at the boat- but it
was not in Seattle and I wasn't about to waste most of a day on a
specific round trip to see the boat. (Without any official role in the
transaction- there is no guarantee that the listing broker would have
even let me aboard the boat. In fact, there could be an excellent
argument advanced that since the boat was in the fiduciary care of the
seller's agent it was that broker's repsonsibilty to keep extraneous
people *off* the boat). There was no way that I could or should become
officially involved in the middle of your transaction at that point in
time.

The boat was not out of town. The boat was only a few hundred yards down
the road on Lake Union. You may take refuge by stating you're confused
now, but you were NOT confused at the time. Again, any negotiations
about a purchase contract for that boat were to be handled by you. But
first, you were specifically asked to see if they would be willing to
split the commission. Did you forget that little detail?

Trivia of the Day: ...A skilled therapist can do wonders. It's never
too late for an adult to modify his/her behavior.

An *ethical* buyer's broker would have been handier at the time. But
then, they are hard to come by, huh, Chuckie?

--
Skipper

I'm not going to waste any more of my time with your deluded madness,
Psuedo.
Not only would your present version of the truth be different from
mine, it is obviously quite different from the facts as you represented
them here several years ago. Five years ago you wrote that you regret
not engaging me as your broker, and now the story is either (a) that I
refused to act as your broker or (b) represented you in a dishonest
manner. (Depends on which med has kicked in at the moment, I guess).
Since your current stories are 180-degrees opposed to your previous
statements, I suggest that you go argue with yourself. There are some
other suggestions for activities you could pursue with yourself, but
the first one that comes to mind is biologically impossible.

Skipper Reports on His Boat shopping......
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message I've been here
for many years and have never encountered a poster who
had business dealings with Chuck that were anything but honorable.

Harry,
You can say the exact same thing about everyone in rec.boats.

Chuck has stated his only business dealings with anyone in rec.boats was
Dave, so except for Dave, Chuck has no business dealings with anyone in
rec.boats.

I still think Chuck would prefer if you do not give him your endorsement.

Skipper Reports on His Boat shopping......
 

Harry Krause wrote:


You know, you might want to contact a neurosurgeon and get a scan. I've
had no "business dealings" with Chuck, nor did I imply I had. For you to
jump to that conclusion indicates you are having mental misfirings.

I wouldn't hesitate for a second to "do business" with Chuck if an
opportunity presented itself.

By the way, what boat do you own these days? I mean aside from the one
you play with in the tub.


That isn't a boat Skippy plays with in his bathtub!

Skipper Reports on His Boat shopping......
 

wrote:
The shame, Chuck, is that you are letting someone get to you, badly.

The shame is that I went out of my way to be courteous to this guy,
despite a long history of contentious conversations, and to treat him
very professionally when he sought my help. The shame is that five
years later he chooses to capitalize on his relatively unique position
("I've met this shyster in person!") to launch a campaign of flame
throwing and crap slinging based on some out-of-the blue accusations of
dishonest dealing. None of the many comments he posted to this same NG
following his trips to Seattle contained anything except glowing
remarks about his experiences when dealing with me.

Whether he was lying then or lying now doesn't really matter. His own
words prove that he is a far bigger liar than most people could ever
aspire to become.

You can't be nice to life lying scumbags. It'll bite you in the ass
every time!

Skipper Reports on His Boat shopping......
 

Kevin,
What is a life lying scumbag?


wrote in message
ups.com...

wrote:
The shame, Chuck, is that you are letting someone get to you, badly.

The shame is that I went out of my way to be courteous to this guy,
despite a long history of contentious conversations, and to treat him
very professionally when he sought my help. The shame is that five
years later he chooses to capitalize on his relatively unique position
("I've met this shyster in person!") to launch a campaign of flame
throwing and crap slinging based on some out-of-the blue accusations of
dishonest dealing. None of the many comments he posted to this same NG
following his trips to Seattle contained anything except glowing
remarks about his experiences when dealing with me.

Whether he was lying then or lying now doesn't really matter. His own
words prove that he is a far bigger liar than most people could ever
aspire to become.

You can't be nice to life lying scumbags. It'll bite you in the ass
every time!

Skipper Reports on His Boat shopping......
 

And once again.....his anal fixation shows through.


"Starbucker" wrote in message
...
Kevin,
What is a life lying scumbag?


wrote in message
ups.com...

wrote:
The shame, Chuck, is that you are letting someone get to you, badly.

The shame is that I went out of my way to be courteous to this guy,
despite a long history of contentious conversations, and to treat him
very professionally when he sought my help. The shame is that five
years later he chooses to capitalize on his relatively unique position
("I've met this shyster in person!") to launch a campaign of flame
throwing and crap slinging based on some out-of-the blue accusations of
dishonest dealing. None of the many comments he posted to this same NG
following his trips to Seattle contained anything except glowing
remarks about his experiences when dealing with me.

Whether he was lying then or lying now doesn't really matter. His own
words prove that he is a far bigger liar than most people could ever
aspire to become.

You can't be nice to life lying scumbags. It'll bite you in the ass
every time!

Skipper Reports on His Boat shopping......
 

Skipper Reports on His Boat shopping......
 

wrote in message
oups.com...


Ignoring all the BS, do you still doubt this is the "real" Skipper?

Eisboch

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Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...


Ignoring all the BS, do you still doubt this is the "real" Skipper?

Eisboch

When the initial attack thread was posted, ("Open letter....."),
I was extremely surprised. I had some doubts that Dave Mann would do
such a total and radical about-face- and after about a five-year time
span. Spoofing other posters' ID is a common game in rec.boats,
particularly among a group of non-boaters who hang out here to take pot
shots at Harry Krause, (or anybody else they perceive as slightly left
of Zell Miller). I wanted to believe that Dave had more integrity.
Until recently, my opinion of him was somewhat "mixed": a weird guy
with a few definite problems but maybe not such a bad guy in his heart
of hearts. His latest antics have proven me wrong, and unfortunately to
his additional discredit.

When another poster with a long history of dogging me 'round and
generating attack posts happened to use exactly the same very unique
format as the opening of the "Open letter..." about a week later, I
naturally suspected a common authorship. (I apologized for posting that
suspicion on the NG).

Sadly enough, I now believe that this obviously sick and troubled
individual is the original Dave Mann. What a shame. His acid remarks
used to be tempered by a bit of good humor, and that is no longer the
case. Therefore, I will continue to address Mr. Mann as Psuedo Skipper;
as most of his boating adventures are flights of fantasy and he is now
but a poor shadow of his former self. His grammar is awful, his insults
crude, and some of his behavior (exhibited in the "Harry and Chuckie"
thread, for example) is extremely juvenile. I do wonder whether the
poor old fart had a stroke or something, Psuedo is not the Skipper of
old. The worst aspects of his quirky persona are still there, but the
glitter is long gone.

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wrote in message
oups.com...

Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...


Ignoring all the BS, do you still doubt this is the "real" Skipper?

Eisboch


snip
.....I now believe that this obviously sick and troubled
individual is the original Dave Mann.

snip


Good. I will wait for a proper apology from you for your whopper of a lie
about me.

Skipper Reports on His Boat shopping......
 

*JimH* wrote:

Good. I will wait for a proper apology from you for your whopper of a lie
about me.

You'll be waiting a long time for an apology from that swadifying pond
scum. This is the lying spinmeister Chuckie that I know:
http://tinyurl.com/8tt8k

--
Skipper

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*JimH* wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...

Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...


Ignoring all the BS, do you still doubt this is the "real" Skipper?

Eisboch


snip
.....I now believe that this obviously sick and troubled
individual is the original Dave Mann.

snip


Good. I will wait for a proper apology from you for your whopper of a lie
about me.


I jumped to a hasty conclusion based upon some rather convincing
evidence.
(Past behavior and the coincidental use of an identical and extremely
unusual posting format). Even Smithers noted that he would have
suspected your hand in the matter, but he drew some other conclusions
based upon something he noticed in the header. I should not have
expressed my conclusion, but I did.
I have already apologized for that. That's what I did wrong, so that's
the apology you get. Reaching the conclusion was an error, not a lie,
and in any case I should have kept it to myself, (as I do most of my
opinions about you and your behavior).

Skipper Reports on His Boat shopping......
 

wrote:

I jumped to a hasty conclusion based upon some rather convincing
evidence.
(Past behavior and the coincidental use of an identical and extremely
unusual posting format). Even Smithers noted that he would have
suspected your hand in the matter, but he drew some other conclusions
based upon something he noticed in the header. I should not have
expressed my conclusion, but I did.
I have already apologized for that. That's what I did wrong, so that's
the apology you get. Reaching the conclusion was an error, not a lie,
and in any case I should have kept it to myself, (as I do most of my
opinions about you and your behavior).

As I've said before, that's all the apology you're going to get from
this swadifying spinmeister: http://tinyurl.com/8tt8k

--
Skipper

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wrote in message
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*JimH* wrote:
wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
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Ignoring all the BS, do you still doubt this is the "real" Skipper?

Eisboch


snip
.....I now believe that this obviously sick and troubled
individual is the original Dave Mann.

snip


Good. I will wait for a proper apology from you for your whopper of a
lie
about me.


I jumped to a hasty conclusion based upon some rather convincing
evidence.
snip
I have already apologized for that.

No you haven't.

That's what I did wrong, so that's
the apology you get.
snip

Your "apology" to me was nothing more than an attempt to explain why you did
what you did and blame me in part for your lie.

As Skipper said, and as I suspected, you are not man enough to make a true
apology.

You remain a liar in my eyes, as well as one who cannot apologize for the
lie. You also are now less than a real man.

End of discussion on this Chuckie. Go back to whatever you do in your
pathetic life.

Skipper Reports on His Boat shopping......
 

"Skipper" wrote in message
...
wrote:

I jumped to a hasty conclusion based upon some rather convincing
evidence.
(Past behavior and the coincidental use of an identical and extremely
unusual posting format). Even Smithers noted that he would have
suspected your hand in the matter, but he drew some other conclusions
based upon something he noticed in the header. I should not have
expressed my conclusion, but I did.
I have already apologized for that. That's what I did wrong, so that's
the apology you get. Reaching the conclusion was an error, not a lie,
and in any case I should have kept it to myself, (as I do most of my
opinions about you and your behavior).

As I've said before, that's all the apology you're going to get from
this swadifying spinmeister: http://tinyurl.com/8tt8k

--
Skipper

Indeed.

Chuckies explanation of a lie is that it was an assumption.

I gave him several chances to apologize. He refused.

End of discussion on my part.

Skipper Reports on His Boat shopping......
 

On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:06:40 -0700, chuckgould.chuck wrote:


Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
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Ignoring all the BS, do you still doubt this is the "real" Skipper?

Eisboch

snip
Until recently, my opinion of him was somewhat "mixed": a weird guy
with a few definite problems but maybe not such a bad guy in his heart
of hearts.

Yeah,I kinda felt sorry for the Original Skippy. Heart of a blue-water
sailor, stuck in Bumf*ck Kansas. What worse fate could you wish on a
person?

But this new one is a just plain Idiot.

Lloyd

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"Lloyd" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:06:40 -0700, chuckgould.chuck wrote:


Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
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Ignoring all the BS, do you still doubt this is the "real" Skipper?

Eisboch

snip
Until recently, my opinion of him was somewhat "mixed": a weird guy
with a few definite problems but maybe not such a bad guy in his heart
of hearts.

Yeah,I kinda felt sorry for the Original Skippy. Heart of a blue-water
sailor, stuck in Bumf*ck Kansas. What worse fate could you wish on a
person?


So extol the virtues and attractions of you "bumf#ck" Canadian city Llloyd.



But this new one is a just plain Idiot.


As many here have viewed you for years, including your buddy Krause.



Lloyd

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wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
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Ignoring all the BS, do you still doubt this is the "real" Skipper?

Eisboch


Sadly enough, I now believe that this obviously sick and troubled
individual is the original Dave Mann. What a shame. His acid remarks
used to be tempered by a bit of good humor, and that is no longer the
case. Therefore, I will continue to address Mr. Mann as Psuedo Skipper;
as most of his boating adventures are flights of fantasy and he is now
but a poor shadow of his former self. His grammar is awful, his insults
crude, and some of his behavior (exhibited in the "Harry and Chuckie"
thread, for example) is extremely juvenile. I do wonder whether the
poor old fart had a stroke or something, Psuedo is not the Skipper of
old. The worst aspects of his quirky persona are still there, but the
glitter is long gone.


Couldn't agree with you more.

Eisboch

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*JimH* wrote:
wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
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Ignoring all the BS, do you still doubt this is the "real" Skipper?

Eisboch


snip
.....I now believe that this obviously sick and troubled
individual is the original Dave Mann.

snip


Good. I will wait for a proper apology from you for your whopper of a lie
about me.

Maybe you should apologize for your many, many lies, insults, slander,
and general tone that you've taken here. Want me to post the lies
you've told about me?

Princess or Toad?
 

"Don" White wrote:

Oh boy....ding ding...round 3!

There is a fairy tale told about the princess who kisses a Harry
FROG...a very ugly FROG. In fact, it was so ugly most people believe it
was really a TOAD. The fairy tale explains that once the Princess kisses
certain portions of the TOAD, she herself turns into a TOAD because her
kiss breaks the spell of an evil witch.

So, Don, do you currently resemble the princess or the toad?

Toady - A person who flatters or defers to others for self-serving
reasons; a sycophant.

Lickspittle - A fawning underling; a toady.

--
Skipper

Princess or Toad?
 

Skipper wrote:
"Don" White wrote:


Oh boy....ding ding...round 3!


There is a fairy tale told about the princess who kisses a Harry
FROG...a very ugly FROG. In fact, it was so ugly most people believe it
was really a TOAD. The fairy tale explains that once the Princess kisses
certain portions of the TOAD, she herself turns into a TOAD because her
kiss breaks the spell of an evil witch.

So, Don, do you currently resemble the princess or the toad?

Toady - A person who flatters or defers to others for self-serving
reasons; a sycophant.

Lickspittle - A fawning underling; a toady.

--
Skipper

How do I contact your nurse Snippy? I'd ask her to remove your
dictionary. You're abusing it!

Why do you keep bringing up Harry?? I was commenting on Chuck's post.

Princess or Toad?
 

Harry,
What is with this anal thing? Isn't your wife giving you any?


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:
Skipper wrote:
"Don" White wrote:


Oh boy....ding ding...round 3!

There is a fairy tale told about the princess who kisses a Harry
FROG...a very ugly FROG. In fact, it was so ugly most people believe it
was really a TOAD. The fairy tale explains that once the Princess kisses
certain portions of the TOAD, she herself turns into a TOAD because her
kiss breaks the spell of an evil witch.

So, Don, do you currently resemble the princess or the toad?

Toady - A person who flatters or defers to others for self-serving
reasons; a sycophant.

Lickspittle - A fawning underling; a toady.

--
Skipper

How do I contact your nurse Snippy? I'd ask her to remove your
dictionary. You're abusing it!

Why do you keep bringing up Harry?? I was commenting on Chuck's post.


PseudoSkipper and Starfocher Smithers suffer from StickNoseUpHarry'sButt
Syndrome.

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On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 18:42:38 -0400, *JimH* wrote:


"Lloyd" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:06:40 -0700, chuckgould.chuck wrote:


Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...


Ignoring all the BS, do you still doubt this is the "real" Skipper?

Eisboch

snip
Until recently, my opinion of him was somewhat "mixed": a weird guy
with a few definite problems but maybe not such a bad guy in his heart
of hearts.

Yeah,I kinda felt sorry for the Original Skippy. Heart of a blue-water
sailor, stuck in Bumf*ck Kansas. What worse fate could you wish on a
person?


So extol the virtues and attractions of you "bumf#ck" Canadian city Llloyd.


http://www.user.dccnet.com/lsumpter/....Squirrel3.jpg
http://www.user.dccnet.com/lsumpter/...n/DS.Sail1.jpg
http://www.user.dccnet.com/lsumpter/boats/Starsend.jpg
http://www.user.dccnet.com/lsumpter/boats/FarCove1.jpg
http://www.user.dccnet.com/lsumpter/...legraphHbr.jpg
http://www.user.dccnet.com/lsumpter/boats/cruising.jpg
http://www.bcboatnet.org/images/SpringCreekcast1.jpg
http://www.user.dccnet.com/lsumpter/...inylSail01.jpg

Nuff said
Lloyd