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And the winner of the most ridiculous and overpriced boat award is.............
*JimH* wrote: wrote in message ups.com... *JimH* wrote: wrote in message oups.com... *JimH* wrote: ..........Crownline, for building a 31.5 foot *Bowrider*! http://www.crownline.com/models04/mo...p?id=316_ls_05 http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/2.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/3.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/4.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/5.jpg A 31.5 foot bowrider? What the hell were these folks thinking? Let me give you a hand interpreting the data you've discovered. First, it doesn't matter what the nominal length appears to be based on the model number ("316 LS"), you need to check the actual LOA. That brings us down to 30-feet. Then you need to actually evaluate how the boat is configured. In this case, that 30 foot LOA includes an extended swim step of rather exaggerated size. It appears to be at least 32", maybe even a 45-48" swim step. Looks like Crownline is offering about a 26-foot bowrider with an extra large swim step (some people might find that rather handy, depending on application) that stretches the boat to 30 feet LOA. No doubt they'll catch a few folks who think the boat is over 31 feet long based on the model number, or who don't take the time to evaluate the design as they look at the boat. Yep. I was mistaken. From their website: LOA 30' yet marketed as a 31.5 footer. Sorry, I missed it by 1'6". So it boils down to 30 foot bowrider with a bunch of wasted space, all for $130,000. How attractive it that? Bowriders are fine for inland lakes during settled weather; and that describes the conditions under which about 90% of boaters use a boat. Bull. And you never addressed the hazards of a bowrider on open water in unexpected rough weather or encountering rogue waves from other boats. If bowriders are so great why don't you own one Chuck? Because I don't boat on inland lakes during settled weather? I have yet to see a boat generate a rogue wave. Must be a Great Lakes thing. Rogue or not, I guess you missed the recent tourist boat tragedy in NY. Not at all. Out west here, boaters refer to such events as "wakes", not rogue waves. The tourist boat tragedy in NY could have been prevented if the boat were properly staffed. (The owner was trying to get by cheap and not hire the two crew members the CG required him to have). With two additional crew members, the skipper would have been more likely to maintain adequate "situational awareness" and adjust course so that he didn't take that huge wake directly on the beam. If nothing else, the port or starboard watch could say, "You do see that huge wake approacing, right?" |
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And the winner of the most ridiculous and overpriced boat award is.............
wrote in message oups.com... *JimH* wrote: wrote in message ups.com... *JimH* wrote: wrote in message oups.com... *JimH* wrote: ..........Crownline, for building a 31.5 foot *Bowrider*! http://www.crownline.com/models04/mo...p?id=316_ls_05 http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/2.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/3.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/4.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/5.jpg A 31.5 foot bowrider? What the hell were these folks thinking? Let me give you a hand interpreting the data you've discovered. First, it doesn't matter what the nominal length appears to be based on the model number ("316 LS"), you need to check the actual LOA. That brings us down to 30-feet. Then you need to actually evaluate how the boat is configured. In this case, that 30 foot LOA includes an extended swim step of rather exaggerated size. It appears to be at least 32", maybe even a 45-48" swim step. Looks like Crownline is offering about a 26-foot bowrider with an extra large swim step (some people might find that rather handy, depending on application) that stretches the boat to 30 feet LOA. No doubt they'll catch a few folks who think the boat is over 31 feet long based on the model number, or who don't take the time to evaluate the design as they look at the boat. Yep. I was mistaken. From their website: LOA 30' yet marketed as a 31.5 footer. Sorry, I missed it by 1'6". So it boils down to 30 foot bowrider with a bunch of wasted space, all for $130,000. How attractive it that? Bowriders are fine for inland lakes during settled weather; and that describes the conditions under which about 90% of boaters use a boat. Bull. And you never addressed the hazards of a bowrider on open water in unexpected rough weather or encountering rogue waves from other boats. If bowriders are so great why don't you own one Chuck? Because I don't boat on inland lakes during settled weather? I have yet to see a boat generate a rogue wave. Must be a Great Lakes thing. Rogue or not, I guess you missed the recent tourist boat tragedy in NY. Not at all. Out west here, boaters refer to such events as "wakes", not rogue waves. I will accept your terminology. That does not, however, dismiss the possibility of such an event. Do you disagree Chuck? |
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And the winner of the most ridiculous and overpriced boat award is.............
*JimH* wrote: wrote in message oups.com... *JimH* wrote: wrote in message ups.com... *JimH* wrote: wrote in message oups.com... *JimH* wrote: ..........Crownline, for building a 31.5 foot *Bowrider*! http://www.crownline.com/models04/mo...p?id=316_ls_05 http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/2.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/3.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/4.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/5.jpg A 31.5 foot bowrider? What the hell were these folks thinking? Let me give you a hand interpreting the data you've discovered. First, it doesn't matter what the nominal length appears to be based on the model number ("316 LS"), you need to check the actual LOA. That brings us down to 30-feet. Then you need to actually evaluate how the boat is configured. In this case, that 30 foot LOA includes an extended swim step of rather exaggerated size. It appears to be at least 32", maybe even a 45-48" swim step. Looks like Crownline is offering about a 26-foot bowrider with an extra large swim step (some people might find that rather handy, depending on application) that stretches the boat to 30 feet LOA. No doubt they'll catch a few folks who think the boat is over 31 feet long based on the model number, or who don't take the time to evaluate the design as they look at the boat. Yep. I was mistaken. From their website: LOA 30' yet marketed as a 31.5 footer. Sorry, I missed it by 1'6". So it boils down to 30 foot bowrider with a bunch of wasted space, all for $130,000. How attractive it that? Bowriders are fine for inland lakes during settled weather; and that describes the conditions under which about 90% of boaters use a boat. Bull. And you never addressed the hazards of a bowrider on open water in unexpected rough weather or encountering rogue waves from other boats. If bowriders are so great why don't you own one Chuck? Because I don't boat on inland lakes during settled weather? I have yet to see a boat generate a rogue wave. Must be a Great Lakes thing. Rogue or not, I guess you missed the recent tourist boat tragedy in NY. Not at all. Out west here, boaters refer to such events as "wakes", not rogue waves. I will accept your terminology. That does not, however, dismiss the possibility of such an event. Do you disagree Chuck? I agree that a bowrider falls into the category of "open boat." The operator of an open boat must remain alert to water conditions at all times. A bowrider has no business out in conditions where the wind is generating breaking waves that are likely to swamp the vessel. As far as wakes, or even a genuine "rogue wave", an alert operator will be able to deal with 99.999% of them by slowing down a bit and/or adjusting his course to quarter into the wave. The danger to an open boat is not so much the height of a wave as whether or not the wave has a propensity to break. You can go up and over a pretty steep wave or wake, but if the crest is higher than the gunwale *and* it starts to break you need to be lucky as well as able. After enough of those, (as in "you've got no darn business out here in these conditions") your luck will probably run out. I would always prefer a boat with a closed bow, myself, but millions of boaters on inland lakes will choose a boat based on an entirely different set of needs and preferances. (IIRC, that tourist boat was a catamaran, not a bow rider.) |
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And the winner of the most ridiculous and overpriced boat award is.............
(IIRC, that tourist boat was a catamaran, not a bow rider.)
Not at all. It was kind of a tubby, round bottom mono hull. The USCG started to do a stability test on a sistership by filling barrels with water on the gunnels. They had to stop about halfway through the test because they were already at the safety limit for maximum listing. USCG testing was not required for licensing because it was being operated on an inland lake, and the New York State certification standards were not nearly rigorous enough. Lots of blame to go around as it turns out. |
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And the winner of the most ridiculous and overpriced boat award is.............
wrote in message oups.com... *JimH* wrote: wrote in message ups.com... *JimH* wrote: wrote in message oups.com... *JimH* wrote: ..........Crownline, for building a 31.5 foot *Bowrider*! http://www.crownline.com/models04/mo...p?id=316_ls_05 http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/2.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/3.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/4.jpg http://www.crownline.com/models05/bo...16ls/big/5.jpg A 31.5 foot bowrider? What the hell were these folks thinking? Let me give you a hand interpreting the data you've discovered. First, it doesn't matter what the nominal length appears to be based on the model number ("316 LS"), you need to check the actual LOA. That brings us down to 30-feet. Then you need to actually evaluate how the boat is configured. In this case, that 30 foot LOA includes an extended swim step of rather exaggerated size. It appears to be at least 32", maybe even a 45-48" swim step. Looks like Crownline is offering about a 26-foot bowrider with an extra large swim step (some people might find that rather handy, depending on application) that stretches the boat to 30 feet LOA. No doubt they'll catch a few folks who think the boat is over 31 feet long based on the model number, or who don't take the time to evaluate the design as they look at the boat. Yep. I was mistaken. From their website: LOA 30' yet marketed as a 31.5 footer. Sorry, I missed it by 1'6". So it boils down to 30 foot bowrider with a bunch of wasted space, all for $130,000. How attractive it that? Bowriders are fine for inland lakes during settled weather; and that describes the conditions under which about 90% of boaters use a boat. Bull. And you never addressed the hazards of a bowrider on open water in unexpected rough weather or encountering rogue waves from other boats. If bowriders are so great why don't you own one Chuck? Because I don't boat on inland lakes during settled weather? I have yet to see a boat generate a rogue wave. Must be a Great Lakes thing. Rogue or not, I guess you missed the recent tourist boat tragedy in NY. Not at all. Out west here, boaters refer to such events as "wakes", not rogue waves. The tourist boat tragedy in NY could have been prevented if the boat were properly staffed. (The owner was trying to get by cheap and not hire the two crew members the CG required him to have). With two additional crew members, the skipper would have been more likely to maintain adequate "situational awareness" and adjust course so that he didn't take that huge wake directly on the beam. If nothing else, the port or starboard watch could say, "You do see that huge wake approacing, right?" |
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