On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 14:03:57 GMT, "Eisboch"
wrote:


Harry Krause wrote in message
...
JIMinFL wrote:
Bush basher kicked off plane.
http://www.wesh.com/irresistible/5066135/detail.html




The woman was right; the airline was wrong.

Nope. Airlines have the right to refuse service to anyone who, in their
judgment, is inappropriately dressed, intoxicated or otherwise in violation
of their policies. The problem here was not the images. It was the "word".
Good for them! The woman can complain all she wants but airlines can set
their own standards.

Eisboch


Amen.

--
John H

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so."

Ronald Reagan

I think the woman should have been stopped at security before she boarded
the plane. Maybe the employees that she slipped by were as morally
challenged as you and didn't think anything of it. I feel badly for the poor
airline personnel that had to deal with this problem.
The lady got what she deserved.


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JIMinFL wrote:
"PocoLoco" wrote in message
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On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 13:18:54 GMT, "JIMinFL"
wrote:

Bush basher kicked off plane.
http://www.wesh.com/irresistible/5066135/detail.html


Maybe she'd have been kicked off if she were wearing the same shirt
with
Kerry/Edwards on it? Ever think of that?

I'll bet she would have, but it wouldn't happen. Trash talk is a liberal
Democrat thing.


It's easy enough to see evidence of that in this NG. All the right
wingers are so polite, well mannered, unconfrontational. None of them
would ever troll a thread like this through a boating NG, just to get
his/her rocks off on dissing
a "Bush Basher"......

This woman was interviewed by a local radio station. As always, there
are two sides to the question.

Yes, she was wearing a shirt that said "Meet the F*ckers". She was
wearing that shirt when she bought her ticket, checked in at the gate,
sat for an hour or two waiting to board the plane and nobody said a
word to her about "airline standards" or whether the shirt was
appropriate attire for flying. She claims that she engaged in a
personal conversation with one of the stewardesses at the gate, and
that nothing was said about her shirt.

Apparently after she boarded the plane a couple of women passengers
happened to notice the T shirt and complained to the stewardess that
they found the slogan offensive. The stewardess approached the
passenger, and asked her if she had a jacket she could put on, or some
other means of covering the shirt. The passenger agreed to cover the
shirt with one of the airline blankets, as she was planning to take a
nap anyway. According to the passenger's story on the radio, she
covered the shirt with a blanket and went to sleep. While she was
sleeping, the blanket "slipped" enough to expose at least part of the
shirt.

She was kicked off the plane when it landed at in intermediate stop.
According to the passenger, the stewardess who told her she would have
to get off the plane also assured her she would get a refund for her
ticket. (Her fare has never been refunded).

As a private business, the airline has the right to set standards for
its passengers. The woman was wrong, but the airline brewed a tempest
in a tea pot.
Had she been given the oppportunity to "adjust" the blanket to restore
coverage of the offensive shirt, I think she porbably would have done
so. If the airline want to say, "We won't sell you a ticket unless you
swear you'll vote a straight
Republican ballot in the next election", that would be its right and
privilege to do so.

On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 21:35:52 GMT, Don White wrote:

Bryan wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

Eisboch wrote:

Harry Krause wrote in message
...

Eisboch wrote:

Harry Krause wrote in message
...

JIMinFL wrote:

Bush basher kicked off plane.
http://www.wesh.com/irresistible/5066135/detail.html



The woman was right; the airline was wrong.

Nope. Airlines have the right to refuse service to anyone who, in
their
judgment, is inappropriately dressed, intoxicated or otherwise in

violation

of their policies. The problem here was not the images. It was the

"word".

Good for them! The woman can complain all she wants but airlines can

set

their own standards.

Eisboch



Airline? Standards? Surely you jest. On my flight back from Hawai'i to
San Francisco, two rows in front of me, there was a couple incapable of
controlling their crying, screaming brats. The two kids whined all the
way back to the mainland, for four and a half hours. without letup. I
asked one of the flight attendants to ask the couple to either control
their brats or to move them to a less-occupied part of the plane. She
refused.

At least 20 other passengers complained. Those brats were more offense
than anyone's shirt.


Crying kids are part of our world Harry and, although annoying to you,
are
not unique.

I've flew many miles in my working days and crying babies and bratty kids
where often part of the experience. On occasion I even had my own crying
baby along.

Your standards for travel are too high for commercial airlines. Buy your
own
jet.

Eisboch



Hey, I'm not talking about a half hour of crying and screaming; these two
brats would not shut up the entire trip.


Then, Harry, the most likely explanation is that they were in pain.


The parents probably should have given the kids a drink. Swallowing
helps equalize the air pressure in the inner ear.

Sometimes. Many times, in a rapid ascent or descent, simply swallowing will not
equalize. It's very hard to get a kid to close mouth, hold nose and pop
eardrums.

I flew back from Korea (14 hours) on a plane with 25 infants on their way to
meet there adoptive parents in the USA. The infants were cared for by about 5 or
6 ladies who tried their hardest to keep them satisfied. But, if one started
crying, the rest started crying. It was not a fun flight.

When the plane landed, we all gave the poor women a big round of applause. They
deserved it!

--
John H

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so."

Ronald Reagan

JohnH,
It looked like your fellow passengers understood the situation much better
than Harry.


"PocoLoco" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 21:35:52 GMT, Don White
wrote:

Bryan wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

Eisboch wrote:

Harry Krause wrote in message
...

Eisboch wrote:

Harry Krause wrote in message
...

JIMinFL wrote:

Bush basher kicked off plane.
http://www.wesh.com/irresistible/5066135/detail.html



The woman was right; the airline was wrong.

Nope. Airlines have the right to refuse service to anyone who, in
their
judgment, is inappropriately dressed, intoxicated or otherwise in

violation

of their policies. The problem here was not the images. It was the

"word".

Good for them! The woman can complain all she wants but airlines can

set

their own standards.

Eisboch



Airline? Standards? Surely you jest. On my flight back from Hawai'i to
San Francisco, two rows in front of me, there was a couple incapable
of
controlling their crying, screaming brats. The two kids whined all the
way back to the mainland, for four and a half hours. without letup. I
asked one of the flight attendants to ask the couple to either control
their brats or to move them to a less-occupied part of the plane. She
refused.

At least 20 other passengers complained. Those brats were more offense
than anyone's shirt.


Crying kids are part of our world Harry and, although annoying to you,
are
not unique.

I've flew many miles in my working days and crying babies and bratty
kids
where often part of the experience. On occasion I even had my own
crying
baby along.

Your standards for travel are too high for commercial airlines. Buy
your
own
jet.

Eisboch



Hey, I'm not talking about a half hour of crying and screaming; these
two
brats would not shut up the entire trip.


Then, Harry, the most likely explanation is that they were in pain.


The parents probably should have given the kids a drink. Swallowing
helps equalize the air pressure in the inner ear.

Sometimes. Many times, in a rapid ascent or descent, simply swallowing
will not
equalize. It's very hard to get a kid to close mouth, hold nose and pop
eardrums.

I flew back from Korea (14 hours) on a plane with 25 infants on their way
to
meet there adoptive parents in the USA. The infants were cared for by
about 5 or
6 ladies who tried their hardest to keep them satisfied. But, if one
started
crying, the rest started crying. It was not a fun flight.

When the plane landed, we all gave the poor women a big round of applause.
They
deserved it!

--
John H

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's
just that they know so much that isn't so."

Ronald Reagan

On 9 Oct 2005 12:25:42 -0700, wrote:


JIMinFL wrote:
"PocoLoco" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 13:18:54 GMT, "JIMinFL" wrote:

Bush basher kicked off plane.
http://www.wesh.com/irresistible/5066135/detail.html


Maybe she'd have been kicked off if she were wearing the same shirt with
Kerry/Edwards on it? Ever think of that?

I'll bet she would have, but it wouldn't happen. Trash talk is a liberal
Democrat thing.


It's easy enough to see evidence of that in this NG. All the right
wingers are so polite, well mannered, unconfrontational. None of them
would ever troll a thread like this through a boating NG, just to get
his/her rocks off on dissing
a "Bush Basher"......

I think none of the conservatives were as crude as your comment above. But,
you've had some good examples with another name caller in the group.

--
John H

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so."

Ronald Reagan

On Sun, 9 Oct 2005 16:48:06 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...


Well, then, I need to get a tee-shirt that says:

F*ck the F*cking Republicans


Free speech or not, how do you possibly justify wearing something like that
in mixed company including young children old enough to read and senior
citizens who may be deeply disturbed by it.

No wonder the country is going to hell in a hand basket. It's being led
there by selfish "adults" who care for nothing but their own agenda. Whew,
it stinks!

Eisboch


Thanks. That's appreciated.

--
John H

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so."

Ronald Reagan

On Sun, 9 Oct 2005 19:10:17 -0400, "Starbuck's Words of Wisdom"
wrote:

JohnH,
It looked like your fellow passengers understood the situation much better
than Harry.


Yup!


--
John H

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so."

Ronald Reagan

"Bryan" wrote in message
...

"thunder" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 09:55:58 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote:


Your freedon of speech ends when you move from your property or public
property to someone's private property.

The airline is private property, being that it is not owned by the/a
government, and the airline can make the rules and regulations
regarding
how its customers present themselves and conduct themselves while on
the
airline's private property.

A airline is considered a "public accommodation", not "private
property",
and they are limited in the rules they can set. If you think not,
think
if an airline can refuse boarding because of race. The question is one
of
obscenity. My guess is, as obnoxious as she may have been, it *is*
probably protected speech.

Not all speech is protected under all circumstances.

A "public accomodation" is still private property, and the owners have
the right to set standards.......otherwise you would not be able to have
dress codes etc.........as usual the liebrals are barking up the wrong tree

"Starbuck's Words of Wisdom" wrote in message
...
Harry,
Since babies do have trouble equalizing and can be in pain when flying,
it
appears you are doing a bit of projecting.

They probably took one look at harry, and realized he was going to be on
the flight ;-)



"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Bryan wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
Harry Krause wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
Harry Krause wrote in message
...
JIMinFL wrote:
Bush basher kicked off plane.
http://www.wesh.com/irresistible/5066135/detail.html


The woman was right; the airline was wrong.
Nope. Airlines have the right to refuse service to anyone who, in
their
judgment, is inappropriately dressed, intoxicated or otherwise in
violation
of their policies. The problem here was not the images. It was
the
"word".
Good for them! The woman can complain all she wants but airlines
can
set
their own standards.

Eisboch


Airline? Standards? Surely you jest. On my flight back from Hawai'i
to
San Francisco, two rows in front of me, there was a couple
incapable
of
controlling their crying, screaming brats. The two kids whined all
the
way back to the mainland, for four and a half hours. without letup.
I
asked one of the flight attendants to ask the couple to either
control
their brats or to move them to a less-occupied part of the plane.
She
refused.

At least 20 other passengers complained. Those brats were more
offense
than anyone's shirt.

Crying kids are part of our world Harry and, although annoying to
you,
are
not unique.

I've flew many miles in my working days and crying babies and bratty
kids
where often part of the experience. On occasion I even had my own
crying
baby along.

Your standards for travel are too high for commercial airlines. Buy
your own
jet.

Eisboch


Hey, I'm not talking about a half hour of crying and screaming; these
two brats would not shut up the entire trip.

Then, Harry, the most likely explanation is that they were in pain.

No, the most likely explanation is that they have incompetent parents.

Eisboch wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...


Well, then, I need to get a tee-shirt that says:

F*ck the F*cking Republicans


Free speech or not, how do you possibly justify wearing something like that
in mixed company including young children old enough to read and senior
citizens who may be deeply disturbed by it.

No wonder the country is going to hell in a hand basket. It's being led
there by selfish "adults" who care for nothing but their own agenda. Whew,
it stinks!

Eisboch

In a private residence or business, there are limitations to the right
of free speech. While the Constitution allows one to speak freely in a
public place, a householder or a private business does have a right to
set standards for speech and other forms of expression within the
environs of the home, private club, or business.

This was the same principle used during the last campaing for POTUS.
The R's declared all of their political rally's "private" events, and
therefore had (and excercised) the right to prohibit protest at
campaign rallys. This whole story seems faintly similar to that
incident where a guy was thrown out of a Bush rally for wearing a "John
Kerry" T-shirt. When asked to cover it up, he did- but shortly
thereafter was thrown out anyway........