"DSK" wrote in message
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Jeff Rigby wrote:
Here is where the problem occurs, we are in Iraq for a number of good
reasons

Agreed. Should have been done a lot differently, but it's too late for
that now.

... we may NOT be doing a good job.

"May"??? There is no area in which the US is doing a good job in Iraq,
other than handing gazillions of dollars to the "rebuilding" corporations
(surprise surprise, they turn out to be heavy Bush-Cheney sponsors).

Iraq is broken, probably at least as broken as any Palestinian state could
be.




... You seem to think that "we" give Bush a pass on all things when "we"
respond to the Bush bashing.

Well, you are. It's very simple.
President Bush has done a rotten job of running the country. Very few (if
any) of his policies have resulted in a benefit to the country.

... "YOU" focus the arguments to areas that you think (because of the
incestuous nature of the news medias you watch) are a slam dunk.

1- what news media do you think I watch? It's very likely that I am far
better informed of what is *really* going on than you are. It is certainly
true that *none* (and I mean zero, zip, nada, zilch-o) of the Bush-Cheney
Cheerleaders have shown any of the points I make here are wrong, desptie
their constant yapping about it.

2- It looks like a "slam dunk" to you because the facts are so uniformly
against you. An intelligent person observes the facts and bases his
opinions on reality, not twisting & spinning (and lying) to justify his
opinions regardless of fact.



... "We" have no argument with Bush policy, just it's implementation (at
times).


Really? You think it's a good idea to destroy the American education
system, to drive the US backwards in science, to push industry offshore
and encourage corporations to duck their taxes (as long as they make
political contributions to the right party), to destroy the environment
for the profit of a few, to eliminate Social Security (or at least, the
Security part), to drive away any country that may want to be our allies,
to increase US dependence on foreign oil now that we're past the Hubbert
peak, to increase military spending while not accomplishing any military
goals, to leave ouor borders largely unsecured... wait that's enough for
now.

The above is a perfect example of our difference in facts, take education.
CSPAN had a congressional hearing on the No Child Left Behind Act on Monday.
It appears from the majority of the testimony that it's working. There were
representitives from many states. The REP from Minnisota was claiming that
it wasn't NCLB but an initiative that they started two years before that
resulted in Minnisota test results showing such a large improvement. That
may be true but what they started before NCLB looked alot like NCLB.


the news medias you listen to are agreed.

Wrong. You assume you know what I listen to (or watch) when you clearly
don't have a clue. Since you have stated your reliance on Fox News,

I didn't state my reliance but that I thought that it's only 20% obviously
biased while I thought that the other news groups were 80% hidden agenda
biased. It's easier for me to see bias in Fox while I have to find the news
and data that is left out of the other national news media.

stated by Vice President Cheney to be the best news source, we know that
you are both ill informed and heavily biased. Yet because they spoon feed
you a lot of flattery about how smart you are to watch Fox, you believe it
all.

bull****, the spoon fed news I usually don't watch, I like the panel
discussions, CSPAN and CNN

And you have nice little support group of like minded Clinton-hating
Bush-Cheney cheerleaders right here.

AGAIN, YOU set the arguments we respond to errors in data

Must make you feel good, but it
doesn't change what you are.

Your goal is to change me and my goal is to set the facts straight

DSK