what is the source of that information, for if it is true it means than more
than 3 times as many people die of CO poisoning each year as die of ALL
recreational boat accidents causes combined?

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
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what is the source of that information, for if it is true it means than
more
than 3 times as many people die of CO poisoning each year as die of ALL
recreational boat accidents causes combined?



What the difference how many? The article didn't say 2500 of those deaths
occurred on boats - it referred to CO poisoning in general. The point is
that people think of CO poisoning as something that happens in closed
spaces, which is why it comes as such a surprise while hanging around the
back of a boat where there seems to be nothing but fresh air.

dave, be afraid, be VERY afraid.

300 people die each year by falling off a boat and drowning. If one person a
decade dies of CO poisoning on a boat, it is a whole lot less of a worry.

what are the odds? are they greater or lesser than dying in a rear-ended car
accident waiting for a stop light on the way to the marina?

what is the source of that information, for if it is true it means than
more
than 3 times as many people die of CO poisoning each year as die of ALL
recreational boat accidents causes combined?



What the difference how many? The article didn't say 2500 of those deaths
occurred on boats - it referred to CO poisoning in general. The point is
that people think of CO poisoning as something that happens in closed
spaces, which is why it comes as such a surprise while hanging around the
back of a boat where there seems to be nothing but fresh air.

dave, be afraid, be VERY afraid.

300 people die each year by falling off a boat and drowning. If one person a
decade dies of CO poisoning on a boat, it is a whole lot less of a worry.

what are the odds? are they greater or lesser than dying in a rear-ended car
accident waiting for a stop light on the way to the marina?

You can do something about the risk from CO poisoning, while the stop light is
just pure dumb luck.

Of course, if you want to allow your exhaust system to decay and fill your boat
with fumes and then say, "hey, no big deal, I could have been killed just as
easily driving to the marina", that's a personal choice.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...

300 people die each year by falling off a boat and drowning. If one
person a
decade dies of CO poisoning on a boat, it is a whole lot less of a worry.


Jax, I know you love to argue the pure logic of any point and I would never
want to be on a debate opposite you. But now is not the time to nit pick
details.

CO poisoning is real. Boating happens to have a greater exposure to the
risks simply because the enclosed hull can trap the CO.

I have known people (personally) that have died of CO poisoning. The best
man in my wedding was a single father because his wife died of it.

CO kill people, and it is so easily prevented. Please, put aside the
arguments on minor details and support the basic concept. Some people have
to be told repeatedly before it sinks in.

As far as CO detectors, there is one in particular that I would like to
recommend to everyone. It is made by Senco Sensors, in Canada:
http://www.sencosensors.com/

Most CO detectors are 110 volt operated with a battery backup. Very few
have a display that will show you exactly what the level is. The unit from
Senco Sensors is the exception. I have had one of these for a number of
years and they work great! The battery lasts a year or more and the display
is very informative. It will be reading zero, and I will turn the stove on
and it will quickly start to register a small amount. Start the engines and
it will jump a fair amount.

I have taken my CO detector aboard my friend' s boat who swore up and down
that they didn't have any worries about CO. They were a bit surprised when
the CO readings started reaching up to the 60 ppm. Note that the alarm level
isn't until 70 ppm is reached.

Rod McInnis

On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 11:54:46 -0700, "Rod McInnis"
wrote:
As far as CO detectors, there is one in particular that I would like to
recommend to everyone. It is made by Senco Sensors, in Canada:
http://www.sencosensors.com/

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I've had a Senco for 4 years and it's a good unit. We've used it on
the boat in the summer, and when we lived north, took it home and used
it in the house over the winter. Very reliable. Several times it
picked up low levels on our old boat due to "station wagon" effect.
Ventilating the cabin would immediately clear the alarm.

For a cheaper, battery powered unit, Costco sells a model by First
Alert for about $25.

what is the source of that information, for if it is true it means than more
than 3 times as many people die of CO poisoning each year as die of ALL
recreational boat accidents causes combined?

You can verify the statistics independently
through a search engine. There might be 100 sites with the same statistics.

The figure of about 2500 remains fairly constant for North American (US and
Canadian) deaths each year for CO poisoning from all sources, (not just boats).
There are more CO deaths from
motor vehicles, space heaters, etc than from boats, but the boat number is
disproportionate when one considers the
hundreds of millions of people using automobiles, cooking appliances, and space
heaters on a given day vs. the tens of thousands actually underway in a
motorized pleasure craft at any one time.

CO poisoning is the leading cause of
accidental death by poisoning in the United States. Not all exposures are
fatal, but the severity of the problem is also illustrated by the fact that
10,000 to 15,000 people will require medical treatment or hospitalization for
CO exposure in a typical year. (From all sources, not just boats).

gould, 1 woman in 7 dies of breast cancer **IF** no woman below 80 years old
died of anything but breast cancer. Check the facts, and that is what you find
(some female journalists did in fact check the facts and boy were they ****ed
at what they found out).

*you* quoted the 2,500 deaths as a fact, and when I asked what your source was,
you tell us that number is reprinted all over the place, AND that it is my
responsibility find out if the number is true or not.

dood, *you* posted the number. please back it up, or give it up.

what is the source of that information, for if it is true it means than more
than 3 times as many people die of CO poisoning each year as die of ALL
recreational boat accidents causes combined?

You can verify the statistics independently
through a search engine. There might be 100 sites with the same statistics.

The figure of about 2500 remains fairly constant for North American (US and
Canadian) deaths each year for CO poisoning from all sources, (not just
boats).
There are more CO deaths from
motor vehicles, space heaters, etc than from boats, but the boat number is
disproportionate when one considers the
hundreds of millions of people using automobiles, cooking appliances, and
space
heaters on a given day vs. the tens of thousands actually underway in a
motorized pleasure craft at any one time.

CO poisoning is the leading cause of
accidental death by poisoning in the United States. Not all exposures are
fatal, but the severity of the problem is also illustrated by the fact that
10,000 to 15,000 people will require medical treatment or hospitalization for
CO exposure in a typical year. (From all sources, not just boats).

On 18 Jul 2004 14:00:07 GMT, something compelled
(JAXAshby), to say:

dood, *you* posted the number. please back it up, or give it up.

This asshole would argue with an anchor.

--

Should one become obsessively paranoid over the possibility of
getting killed by CO on one's boat?

No, probably not.

Should one take reasonable precautions against getting killed by
CO on one's boat?

Yeah, sure. CO detectors don't cost much, and fresh air is free.

Steve Daniels wrote:
On 18 Jul 2004 14:00:07 GMT, something compelled
(JAXAshby), to say:

dood, *you* posted the number. please back it up, or give it up.

This asshole would argue with an anchor.


The anchor would win.