"bb" wrote in message

The FL election results were
investigated by no less than eight Universities and newspapers. The
*only*
plausible evidence of manipulation found involved the Dems attempt to
squelch the military absentee vote.

Complete hogwash. Between the highly flawed and secretive voter felon
list, and the attempts to intimidate minority voters, the Florida vote
was anything but free and fair.

Note that I referred to "...plausible evidence of manipulation..." I know
it is inconvenient to restrict yourself to proper methodology.

John Gaquin wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message

Our elections should be monitored...especially in Florida,

The State of FL has spent millions changing aspects of the voting system and
procedures, all at the behest of supposed disenfranchised whiners, and
recent local elections and tests indicate that serious difficulties remain.
They need to change the one factor that mattered in 2000, and the only
factor that will ameliorate the problem going forward - stupid voters.



Jeb Bush is still governor, and there are news stories almost every week
about his attempts to pooch the next election.

and
recent local elections and tests indicate that serious difficulties remain.

Was that the local election decided by less than 20 votes, with the only
"problem" Diebold's software "failing to record" the votes of something like
130 voters? Thank heaven we don't get many winds from the SE....that stinks
to badly we'd smell it in Seattle.

Gould 0738 wrote:

and
recent local elections and tests indicate that serious difficulties remain.

Was that the local election decided by less than 20 votes, with the only
"problem" Diebold's software "failing to record" the votes of something like
130 voters? Thank heaven we don't get many winds from the SE....that stinks
to badly we'd smell it in Seattle.


I think anyone who votes is entitled to receive a serial numbered
receipt indicating who got the votes, and that should be especially true
with electronic voting.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
John Gaquin wrote:

"Gould 0738" wrote in message

Once we had played the "Saddam is in violation of UN sanctions so the
US
is
going to kick his butt" card, we've had no further use for the UN since
day
one. What right does the UN have to audit the US?

Certain whacko elements of the Dem party (who obviously feel they
haven't
gotten enough media attention lately) have requested UN monitoring of
our
election. Apparently, they never read the UN's own rules......

Do they think that this will establish them with rational voters?
Likely
just pandering to their constituents, who don't think at all......



Our elections should be monitored...especially in Florida, where the
president's brother is still working at stealing the outcome.

Yes the democrat counties in our state have many problems. Unfortunately
our Gov can't interfere in those
counties as they would scream that he is trying to fix the election.

Stealing the election?? You mean by having the Florida (Democrats all)
Supreme Court issue a ruling that violates the constitution of the USA and
the Florida Constitution so that the Democrats could steal the election.
You mean by A Democrat designing a ballot so that illiterate people would
choose the third party candidate rather than Gore. etc. etc. etc.

Gesh, we realize that the popular vote here was for Gore. I think it's
ironic that the Democrats lost because of their own incompetence. It's
plain STUPID and INFANTILE to blame that on the winner.

Jeff Rigby wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
John Gaquin wrote:

"Gould 0738" wrote in message

Once we had played the "Saddam is in violation of UN sanctions so the
US
is
going to kick his butt" card, we've had no further use for the UN since
day
one. What right does the UN have to audit the US?

Certain whacko elements of the Dem party (who obviously feel they
haven't
gotten enough media attention lately) have requested UN monitoring of
our
election. Apparently, they never read the UN's own rules......

Do they think that this will establish them with rational voters?
Likely
just pandering to their constituents, who don't think at all......



Our elections should be monitored...especially in Florida, where the
president's brother is still working at stealing the outcome.

Yes the democrat counties in our state have many problems. Unfortunately
our Gov can't interfere in those
counties as they would scream that he is trying to fix the election.

Stealing the election?? You mean by having the Florida (Democrats all)
Supreme Court issue a ruling that violates the constitution of the USA and
the Florida Constitution so that the Democrats could steal the election.
You mean by A Democrat designing a ballot so that illiterate people would
choose the third party candidate rather than Gore. etc. etc. etc.

Gesh, we realize that the popular vote here was for Gore. I think it's
ironic that the Democrats lost because of their own incompetence. It's
plain STUPID and INFANTILE to blame that on the winner.



I suggest for starters you read up what happened to perfectly legitimate
black voters in Duval County.

On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 12:11:06 -0400, "John Gaquin"
wrote:

They need to change the one factor that mattered in 2000,

That would be Jeb Bush and Co.

and the only
factor that will ameliorate the problem going forward - stupid voters.

So, it was stupid voters who tried to secretly use another flawed
felon voters list, eh? Ok John. If the police put up more road
blocks in low income neighborhoods this year, it will be because
stupid voters wanted the to.

bb

"bb" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 12:11:06 -0400, "John Gaquin"
wrote:

They need to change the one factor that mattered in 2000,

That would be Jeb Bush and Co.

and the only
factor that will ameliorate the problem going forward - stupid voters.

So, it was stupid voters who tried to secretly use another flawed
felon voters list, eh? Ok John. If the police put up more road
blocks in low income neighborhoods this year, it will be because
stupid voters wanted the to.

bb
The Felon voter list has been checked twice and those felons who unlawfully
rgistered to vote before their civil rights were restored have been purged
from the list. They can now vote. Amazing that the democrats think that
most felons will vote democrat.

I wasn't aware that roadblocks were put in low income neighborhoods. The
ones I heard of were on Interstate roads inbetween towns so that they can't
be avoided. That's a common practice here to trap drug smugglers. Oh, drug
smugglers vote democrat too.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Gould 0738 wrote:

and
recent local elections and tests indicate that serious difficulties
remain.

Was that the local election decided by less than 20 votes, with the only
"problem" Diebold's software "failing to record" the votes of something
like
130 voters? Thank heaven we don't get many winds from the SE....that
stinks
to badly we'd smell it in Seattle.


I think anyone who votes is entitled to receive a serial numbered
receipt indicating who got the votes, and that should be especially true
with electronic voting.

I totally agree! a paper trail that we can use to verify our vote