Rocket science and ng sailors/ let's look at "Trolling"
 

Interesting subject.

It seems that there is a lot of accusations in this group, that off
topic posts are... posted by "trolls". But the definition that they
refer to (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll) says:
"A post thought to be intended to incite controversy or conflict or
cause annoyance or offense"

Off topic, on topic, NO DIFFERENCE. The key point is "intended to cause
conflict, or annoyance".

Another key point is:
"An individual posting honestly-held but controversial opinions is
sometimes mis-labeled as a troll. By contrast, a troll's primary
incentive is generally considered to be the incitement of conflict."

And finally:
"A person unjustly accused of being a troll may be hurt and express
indignation. A troll will sometimes react with verbal abuse, raising the
stakes with inflammatory remarks maligning the motivation of the accuser."

So, Jax REACTION to being accused of being a troll is important.

So, that makes me a troll? taking steve at his word? I hadn't
thought of it that way.

I think Jax answered in a non troll fashion. Congratualtions, you are
not a troll, just a guy with controversial opinions. Unless you reply
with "inflamatory remarks".

Discussion, please
Jim


JAXAshby wrote:

jim jim, I was just taking steve's words at face value.

Yes, I am well aware that steve doesn't have much value at face, but I really
did just take him at face value.

So, that makes me a troll? taking steve at his word?

I hadn't thought of it that way.


From: Jim
Date: 7/11/2004 12:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: .net

Jax, be careful your reaction does not meet the definition.

Internet troll
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

On the Internet, the term troll is a slang term used to describe a
number of things, traditionally:

1. A post (on a newsgroup, or other forum) thought to be intended to
incite controversy or conflict or cause annoyance or offense.
2. A person who posts these.

The term troll has negative connotations, and is often applied as an
insult. An individual posting honestly-held but controversial opinions
is sometimes mis-labeled as a troll. By contrast, a troll's primary
incentive is generally considered to be the incitement of conflict.

A troll's reactions to being identified as a troll can vary widely
depending on the forum in which the exchange takes place. A person
unjustly accused of being a troll may be hurt and express indignation. A
troll will sometimes react with verbal abuse, raising the stakes with
inflammatory remarks maligning the motivation of the accuser.

JAXAshby wrote:

a poster by the handle of steve is struggling with the name and function of

the

plugs on engines used on commercial fishing boats that need to be cleaned

by

the crew the night be sailing. he knows they exist and he knows they are

not

cleaned as part of the normal engine tear down and rebuild done after each
trip. he knows the crew does in fact clean them, but he just can't

remember

what they are called, nor what their function is.

can someone help steve out here? Does someone know the name and/or

function of

these required-to-be-cleaned-the-night-before-sailing plugs on the engine?

It

seems a couple of other people also have a blank spot as to the

name/function

of these plugs and also would like to know.

Thanks in advance.

Rocket science and ng sailors/ let's look at "Trolling"
 

Congratualtions, you are
not a troll, just a guy with controversial opinions.

yeah, truly controversial. I like truth, with no time for deliberate
falsehoods.

Rocket science and ng sailors
 

On 11 Jul 2004 14:04:06 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

a poster by the handle of steve is struggling with the name and function of the
plugs on engines used on commercial fishing boats that need to be cleaned by
the crew the night be sailing. he knows they exist and he knows they are not
cleaned as part of the normal engine tear down and rebuild done after each
trip. he knows the crew does in fact clean them, but he just can't remember
what they are called, nor what their function is.

can someone help steve out here? Does someone know the name and/or function of
these required-to-be-cleaned-the-night-before-sailing plugs on the engine? It
seems a couple of other people also have a blank spot as to the name/function
of these plugs and also would like to know.

Thanks in advance.

Injectors are plugs that can be cleaned. Glow plugs are plugs that can
be cleaned. Freeze plugs are plugs that can be cleaned. Electrical
plugs are plugs that can be cleaned. All 4 exist on a diesel engine and
all 4 can be cleaned during an overhaul, the kind of overhaul an engine
man might do before leaving on a several week several thousand mile
fishing trip.

Hope that cleared up some of your confusion, although probably not. The
fog in your head is pretty thick. Glad I could help.

Steve

Rocket science and ng sailors
 

Injectors are plugs that can be cleaned.

fuel injectors on a diesel are nowhere on the planet refered to as "plugs"

Glow plugs are plugs that can
be cleaned.

but why?

Freeze plugs are plugs that can be cleaned.

No, they can't. Besides, to what purpose?

Electrical
plugs are plugs that can be cleaned.

the are no electrical plugs on the engine of commercial seagoing vessel.

All 4 exist on a diesel engine and
all 4 can be cleaned during an overhaul, the kind of overhaul an engine
man might do before leaving on a several week several thousand mile
fishing trip.

Huh? the diesel engine on a commercial fishing vessel is torn down the night
before sailing to effect a major overhaul? And is torn down and overhauled by
drunken, nervous crew?

schlackoff, it is obvious you have no idea what is involved in "tearing down"
and engine.


Hope that cleared up some of your confusion, although probably not. The
fog in your head is pretty thick. Glad I could help.

Steve

Rocket science and ng sailors
 

On 13 Jul 2004 00:52:33 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

Injectors are plugs that can be cleaned.

fuel injectors on a diesel are nowhere on the planet refered to as "plugs"

And yet, they are plugs. And could easily have been confused for plugs
by the author.


Glow plugs are plugs that can
be cleaned.

but why?

Why not?

Freeze plugs are plugs that can be cleaned.

No, they can't. Besides, to what purpose?

Yes they can. To keep a nice clean engine. A grease caked engine can
hide the early warning signs of some problems.

Electrical
plugs are plugs that can be cleaned.

the are no electrical plugs on the engine of commercial seagoing vessel.

Depends on the engine. I'll bet you're wrong.

All 4 exist on a diesel engine and
all 4 can be cleaned during an overhaul, the kind of overhaul an engine
man might do before leaving on a several week several thousand mile
fishing trip.

Huh? the diesel engine on a commercial fishing vessel is torn down the night
before sailing to effect a major overhaul? And is torn down and overhauled by
drunken, nervous crew?

Those are your words, not mine. I said that often (not always) the
engineer will do a teardown while in port between extended trips at sea
to check the engine. It might not need a major overhaul. That doesn't
mean it won't be checked.

schlackoff, it is obvious you have no idea what is involved in "tearing down"
and engine.

It's more obvious that you don't. Just pulling the heads and dropping
the pan can be called a "teardown" and those things are relatively easy
to do. Not more than a days work. Not that they'll do that every time.
It all depends on where they are in the service cycle. But keeping
their single engine, their sole source of livelyhood and safety, working
in top shape is what the engineer is paid to do.

Steve

Rocket science and ng sailors
 

fuel injectors on a diesel are nowhere on the planet refered to as "plugs"

And yet, they are plugs. And could easily have been confused for plugs
by the author.

schlackoff, any author -- or ng poster by the handle of "steve" -- who confuses
fuel injectors with spark plugs can mistake a diesel for a gas engine.

Rocket science and ng sailors
 

Glow plugs are plugs that can
be cleaned.

but why?

Why not?

schlackoff, they can be soaked in pineapple juice, too, but why? what would be
the purpose?

Rocket science and ng sailors
 

Huh? schlackoff, do you have any idea waht a freeze plug is, or what its
purpose is?



Freeze plugs are plugs that can be cleaned.

No, they can't. Besides, to what purpose?

Yes they can. To keep a nice clean engine. A grease caked engine can
hide the early warning signs of some problems.

Rocket science and ng sailors
 

Electrical
plugs are plugs that can be cleaned.

the are no electrical plugs on the engine of commercial seagoing vessel.

Depends on the engine. I'll bet you're wrong.

okay, schlackoff, which engine are you willing to bet on?

Rocket science and ng sailors
 

schlackoff, it is obvious you have no idea what is involved in "tearing down"
an engine.


Huh? the diesel engine on a commercial fishing vessel is torn down the
night
before sailing to effect a major overhaul? And is torn down and overhauled
by
drunken, nervous crew?

Those are your words, not mine. I said that often (not always) the
engineer will do a teardown while in port between extended trips at sea
to check the engine. It might not need a major overhaul. That doesn't
mean it won't be checked.

schlackoff, it is obvious you have no idea what is involved in "tearing
down"
and engine.