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a poster by the handle of steve is struggling with the name and function of the
plugs on engines used on commercial fishing boats that need to be cleaned by the crew the night be sailing. he knows they exist and he knows they are not cleaned as part of the normal engine tear down and rebuild done after each trip. he knows the crew does in fact clean them, but he just can't remember what they are called, nor what their function is. can someone help steve out here? Does someone know the name and/or function of these required-to-be-cleaned-the-night-before-sailing plugs on the engine? It seems a couple of other people also have a blank spot as to the name/function of these plugs and also would like to know. Thanks in advance. |
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Thanks, JGS for the info. So let's ask the post whose handle is steve what he
meant. steve, is that what you were trying to say? The Andrea Gail had a pony motor which needed its plugs cleaned the night before sailing to ensure that the diesel would start when the boat was at sea? Gee, steve, I would have though a commercial fishing boat would not shut its engine down while at sea. Are you telling us, steve, that commercial fishing boats shut down their engine(s) often while at sea and that getting them restarted can be problematic? In that case, by all means clean the plugs. This is after you "tear down the engine" and do a major overhaul after each trip, as you have prior stated. Again, thanks to JGS for the infomation. a poster by the handle of steve is struggling with the name and function of the plugs on engines used on commercial fishing boats that need to be cleaned by the crew the night be sailing. he knows they exist and he knows they are not cleaned as part of the normal engine tear down and rebuild done after each trip. he knows the crew does in fact clean them, but he just can't remember what they are called, nor what their function is. can someone help steve out here? Does someone know the name and/or function of these required-to-be-cleaned-the-night-before-sailing plugs on the engine? It seems a couple of other people also have a blank spot as to the name/function of these plugs and also would like to know. Thanks in advance. I'm not following the thread this topic is being discussed in so please excuse me if it has already been stated. Just a wild guess, but here it goes. Large diesel engines require a pony motor to start them. The pony motors are gasoline engines. The reference to cleaning plugs may be for the pony motor. As I said, only a guess. I know gasoline pony motors are used in commercial mining equipment, bulldozers, large farming tractors, commercial diesel powered vessels, etc. A Google search for "pony motor diesel" will give you an idea of the equipment I am referring too. |
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Jax, be careful your reaction does not meet the definition.
Internet troll From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. On the Internet, the term troll is a slang term used to describe a number of things, traditionally: 1. A post (on a newsgroup, or other forum) thought to be intended to incite controversy or conflict or cause annoyance or offense. 2. A person who posts these. The term troll has negative connotations, and is often applied as an insult. An individual posting honestly-held but controversial opinions is sometimes mis-labeled as a troll. By contrast, a troll's primary incentive is generally considered to be the incitement of conflict. A troll's reactions to being identified as a troll can vary widely depending on the forum in which the exchange takes place. A person unjustly accused of being a troll may be hurt and express indignation. A troll will sometimes react with verbal abuse, raising the stakes with inflammatory remarks maligning the motivation of the accuser. JAXAshby wrote: a poster by the handle of steve is struggling with the name and function of the plugs on engines used on commercial fishing boats that need to be cleaned by the crew the night be sailing. he knows they exist and he knows they are not cleaned as part of the normal engine tear down and rebuild done after each trip. he knows the crew does in fact clean them, but he just can't remember what they are called, nor what their function is. can someone help steve out here? Does someone know the name and/or function of these required-to-be-cleaned-the-night-before-sailing plugs on the engine? It seems a couple of other people also have a blank spot as to the name/function of these plugs and also would like to know. Thanks in advance. |
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Assume there was a gas engine.
Why would the crew clean the spark plugs before sailing? The only time I clean spark plugs is if they are fouled and then ony until I can get a set of new plugs. At best the line was added for dramatic effect. And the statement is still true that Jax assumed spark plug when the author wrote plugs. That would be the conclusion most attained. That does not mean thats the only plug it could be. Also what powered the ice machine? Anyone know? On 11 Jul 2004 17:46:02 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote: jim jim, I was just taking steve's words at face value. Yes, I am well aware that steve doesn't have much value at face, but I really did just take him at face value. So, that makes me a troll? taking steve at his word? I hadn't thought of it that way. From: Jim Date: 7/11/2004 12:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: .net Jax, be careful your reaction does not meet the definition. Internet troll From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. On the Internet, the term troll is a slang term used to describe a number of things, traditionally: 1. A post (on a newsgroup, or other forum) thought to be intended to incite controversy or conflict or cause annoyance or offense. 2. A person who posts these. The term troll has negative connotations, and is often applied as an insult. An individual posting honestly-held but controversial opinions is sometimes mis-labeled as a troll. By contrast, a troll's primary incentive is generally considered to be the incitement of conflict. A troll's reactions to being identified as a troll can vary widely depending on the forum in which the exchange takes place. A person unjustly accused of being a troll may be hurt and express indignation. A troll will sometimes react with verbal abuse, raising the stakes with inflammatory remarks maligning the motivation of the accuser. JAXAshby wrote: a poster by the handle of steve is struggling with the name and function of the plugs on engines used on commercial fishing boats that need to be cleaned by the crew the night be sailing. he knows they exist and he knows they are not cleaned as part of the normal engine tear down and rebuild done after each trip. he knows the crew does in fact clean them, but he just can't remember what they are called, nor what their function is. can someone help steve out here? Does someone know the name and/or function of these required-to-be-cleaned-the-night-before-sailing plugs on the engine? It seems a couple of other people also have a blank spot as to the name/function of these plugs and also would like to know. Thanks in advance. |
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And the statement is still true that Jax assumed spark plug when the author wrote plugs. That would be the conclusion most attained. That does not mean thats the only plug it could be. Also what powered the ice machine? Anyone know? Don't know. Would bet any refrigeration/ice making capability would be electrical from the generator. Many smaller fishing boats load a good amount of ice prior to sailing. BTW, don't know of any present day diesel setups on fishing boats, using a Donkey engine to start the main (which is not to say some don't exist) Main starting source is battery or air. Shen |
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Assume there was a gas engine.
Why would the crew clean the spark plugs before sailing? The only time I clean spark plugs is if they are fouled and then ony until I can get a set of new plugs. At best the line was added for dramatic effect. at only. And the statement is still true that Jax assumed spark plug when the author wrote plugs. yup. That would be the conclusion most attained. That does not mean thats the only plug it could be. Also what powered the ice machine? Anyone know? On 11 Jul 2004 17:46:02 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote: jim jim, I was just taking steve's words at face value. Yes, I am well aware that steve doesn't have much value at face, but I really did just take him at face value. So, that makes me a troll? taking steve at his word? I hadn't thought of it that way. From: Jim Date: 7/11/2004 12:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: .net Jax, be careful your reaction does not meet the definition. Internet troll From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. On the Internet, the term troll is a slang term used to describe a number of things, traditionally: 1. A post (on a newsgroup, or other forum) thought to be intended to incite controversy or conflict or cause annoyance or offense. 2. A person who posts these. The term troll has negative connotations, and is often applied as an insult. An individual posting honestly-held but controversial opinions is sometimes mis-labeled as a troll. By contrast, a troll's primary incentive is generally considered to be the incitement of conflict. A troll's reactions to being identified as a troll can vary widely depending on the forum in which the exchange takes place. A person unjustly accused of being a troll may be hurt and express indignation. A troll will sometimes react with verbal abuse, raising the stakes with inflammatory remarks maligning the motivation of the accuser. JAXAshby wrote: a poster by the handle of steve is struggling with the name and function of the plugs on engines used on commercial fishing boats that need to be cleaned by the crew the night be sailing. he knows they exist and he knows they are not cleaned as part of the normal engine tear down and rebuild done after each trip. he knows the crew does in fact clean them, but he just can't remember what they are called, nor what their function is. can someone help steve out here? Does someone know the name and/or function of these required-to-be-cleaned-the-night-before-sailing plugs on the engine? It seems a couple of other people also have a blank spot as to the name/function of these plugs and also would like to know. Thanks in advance. |
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what powered the
ice machine? Anyone know? Don't know. of course you don't, shen. |
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Jax assumed spark plug when the
author wrote plugs. actually, not. JAX assumed the author was going for dramatic impact and stepped wayt beyond his knowlege base. sorta like shen, but with more native intelligence. |
Rocket science and ng sailors/ let's look at "Trolling"
Interesting subject.
It seems that there is a lot of accusations in this group, that off topic posts are... posted by "trolls". But the definition that they refer to (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll) says: "A post thought to be intended to incite controversy or conflict or cause annoyance or offense" Off topic, on topic, NO DIFFERENCE. The key point is "intended to cause conflict, or annoyance". Another key point is: "An individual posting honestly-held but controversial opinions is sometimes mis-labeled as a troll. By contrast, a troll's primary incentive is generally considered to be the incitement of conflict." And finally: "A person unjustly accused of being a troll may be hurt and express indignation. A troll will sometimes react with verbal abuse, raising the stakes with inflammatory remarks maligning the motivation of the accuser." So, Jax REACTION to being accused of being a troll is important. So, that makes me a troll? taking steve at his word? I hadn't thought of it that way. I think Jax answered in a non troll fashion. Congratualtions, you are not a troll, just a guy with controversial opinions. Unless you reply with "inflamatory remarks". Discussion, please Jim JAXAshby wrote: jim jim, I was just taking steve's words at face value. Yes, I am well aware that steve doesn't have much value at face, but I really did just take him at face value. So, that makes me a troll? taking steve at his word? I hadn't thought of it that way. From: Jim Date: 7/11/2004 12:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: .net Jax, be careful your reaction does not meet the definition. Internet troll From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. On the Internet, the term troll is a slang term used to describe a number of things, traditionally: 1. A post (on a newsgroup, or other forum) thought to be intended to incite controversy or conflict or cause annoyance or offense. 2. A person who posts these. The term troll has negative connotations, and is often applied as an insult. An individual posting honestly-held but controversial opinions is sometimes mis-labeled as a troll. By contrast, a troll's primary incentive is generally considered to be the incitement of conflict. A troll's reactions to being identified as a troll can vary widely depending on the forum in which the exchange takes place. A person unjustly accused of being a troll may be hurt and express indignation. A troll will sometimes react with verbal abuse, raising the stakes with inflammatory remarks maligning the motivation of the accuser. JAXAshby wrote: a poster by the handle of steve is struggling with the name and function of the plugs on engines used on commercial fishing boats that need to be cleaned by the crew the night be sailing. he knows they exist and he knows they are not cleaned as part of the normal engine tear down and rebuild done after each trip. he knows the crew does in fact clean them, but he just can't remember what they are called, nor what their function is. can someone help steve out here? Does someone know the name and/or function of these required-to-be-cleaned-the-night-before-sailing plugs on the engine? It seems a couple of other people also have a blank spot as to the name/function of these plugs and also would like to know. Thanks in advance. |
Rocket science and ng sailors/ let's look at "Trolling"
Congratualtions, you are
not a troll, just a guy with controversial opinions. yeah, truly controversial. I like truth, with no time for deliberate falsehoods. |
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Injectors are plugs that can be cleaned.
fuel injectors on a diesel are nowhere on the planet refered to as "plugs" Glow plugs are plugs that can be cleaned. but why? Freeze plugs are plugs that can be cleaned. No, they can't. Besides, to what purpose? Electrical plugs are plugs that can be cleaned. the are no electrical plugs on the engine of commercial seagoing vessel. All 4 exist on a diesel engine and all 4 can be cleaned during an overhaul, the kind of overhaul an engine man might do before leaving on a several week several thousand mile fishing trip. Huh? the diesel engine on a commercial fishing vessel is torn down the night before sailing to effect a major overhaul? And is torn down and overhauled by drunken, nervous crew? schlackoff, it is obvious you have no idea what is involved in "tearing down" and engine. Hope that cleared up some of your confusion, although probably not. The fog in your head is pretty thick. Glad I could help. Steve |
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fuel injectors on a diesel are nowhere on the planet refered to as "plugs"
And yet, they are plugs. And could easily have been confused for plugs by the author. schlackoff, any author -- or ng poster by the handle of "steve" -- who confuses fuel injectors with spark plugs can mistake a diesel for a gas engine. |
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Glow plugs are plugs that can
be cleaned. but why? Why not? schlackoff, they can be soaked in pineapple juice, too, but why? what would be the purpose? |
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Huh? schlackoff, do you have any idea waht a freeze plug is, or what its
purpose is? Freeze plugs are plugs that can be cleaned. No, they can't. Besides, to what purpose? Yes they can. To keep a nice clean engine. A grease caked engine can hide the early warning signs of some problems. |
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Electrical
plugs are plugs that can be cleaned. the are no electrical plugs on the engine of commercial seagoing vessel. Depends on the engine. I'll bet you're wrong. okay, schlackoff, which engine are you willing to bet on? |
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schlackoff, it is obvious you have no idea what is involved in "tearing down"
an engine. Huh? the diesel engine on a commercial fishing vessel is torn down the night before sailing to effect a major overhaul? And is torn down and overhauled by drunken, nervous crew? Those are your words, not mine. I said that often (not always) the engineer will do a teardown while in port between extended trips at sea to check the engine. It might not need a major overhaul. That doesn't mean it won't be checked. schlackoff, it is obvious you have no idea what is involved in "tearing down" and engine. |
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schlackoff, you do not have a clew on anything to do with engines.
Just pulling the heads and dropping the pan can be called a "teardown" and those things are relatively easy to do. Not more than a days work. Not that they'll do that every time. It all depends on where they are in the service cycle. But keeping their single engine, their sole source of livelyhood and safety, working in top shape is what the engineer is paid to do. Steve |
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Huh? schlackoff, do you have any idea waht a freeze plug is, or what its
purpose is? Of course. And the fact that you think they're impossible to clean proves you don't. schlackoff, you can clean the bottom of soup cans discarded in the garbage, too, but that doesn't mean anyone does it. ever meet nervous, drunken commercial fishing boat crew, schlackoff, who cleaned the freeze plugs on an engine the night before sailing? Steve |
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oh? what plugs are that, schlackoff, that are need to be cleaned on a 4-108
used by a long-liner fishing boat? And cleaned the night before sailing by the nervous, drunken crew? okay, schlackoff, which engine are you willing to bet on? Perkins 4-108. There are plenty of them in commercial seagoing vessels and they have electrical plugs that can be cleaned. You lose, idiot. Steve |
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why would you clean glow plugs, schlackoff, at all, let alone the night before
sailing on a commercial fishing boat by the nervous, drunken crew? schlackoff, they can be soaked in pineapple juice, too, but why? what would be the purpose? To clean them. But then again, you're the one saying it's impossible to do. Steve |
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schlackoff, you do not have a clew on anything to do with engines.
And yet you're the one who thinks it's impossible to clean an injector. by nervouse, drunken crew the night before sailing below decks in a commercial fishing boat? And you're the one who thinks commercial fishing boat crews just go to sea for weeks at a time without servicing their engines. you mean the proper procedure is to use nervous, drunken crew to do required maintenance work the night before sailing? Joxie, you are too stupid for words. Steve Just pulling the heads and dropping the pan can be called a "teardown" and those things are relatively easy to do. Not more than a days work. Not that they'll do that every time. It all depends on where they are in the service cycle. But keeping their single engine, their sole source of livelyhood and safety, working in top shape is what the engineer is paid to do. Steve |
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schlackoff, I was tearing down engines professionally before junger was born.
you be stew ped, stevie, not to have seen the irony immediately from the get-go. now you are reduced to claiming that nervous, drunken crew on longliner fishing boat do required freeze plug cleaning maintenance the night before sailing. schlackoff, it is obvious you have no idea what is involved in "tearing down" an engine. Just because you made a mistake with Jungers words doesn't mean you know anything at all about what it takes to tear down an engine. Steve Huh? the diesel engine on a commercial fishing vessel is torn down the night before sailing to effect a major overhaul? And is torn down and overhauled by drunken, nervous crew? Those are your words, not mine. I said that often (not always) the engineer will do a teardown while in port between extended trips at sea to check the engine. It might not need a major overhaul. That doesn't mean it won't be checked. schlackoff, it is obvious you have no idea what is involved in "tearing down" and engine. |
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