You sound like the people in the 1950's who were waging a war against
automation in the manufacturing sector, or in the 60's and 70's who were
waging a war against people who were losing jobs to computers, or going
back to the early 20th century, those in the buggy whip factories whose jobs
were replaced by those in the automotive industry.

The fact of the matter is if US companies do not do what is necessary to
insure that they are not completive with other countries (i.e. European,
Japan, Australia, Canada etc) it will result in substantially more US jobs
lost than we are currently losing. Is this unfair to those who lose their
jobs, definitely, but the alternative is substantially worse.

The US or any other country can not ignore the fact the rules have changed,
today we are in a world economy. Those industries and countries who adapt
will prosper. Those countries and industries who ignore that fact, will go
the way of the dodo bird.


wrote in message
nk.net...
Ok.. So it is 2496 hours a year
$3,000 dollars a year.

$1.20 per hour

Figuring a 48 hour work week:
An American just lost $14,198.08 at the federal minimum wage of $5.25 per
hour.

A skilled American just lost $27,040 at $10.00 per hour.

The company saved $11,198.08 or $24,040 for the skilled American, not
including the amount they would have been paying in matching taxes to the
United States Department of Social Security.

The United States Government looses Federal Income Taxes paid by the
employee, Social Security taxes paid by the employee, matching social
security taxes paid by the company.

The local government looses property taxes.

The state government looses state employment taxes, state sales taxes.

Looks like the Company is the winner in this while the rest of America
suffers.

Put the numbers to it, there is no way outsourcing jobs is good for the
American people.


"John Smith" wrote in message
newsNUGc.39078$%_6.9986@attbi_s01...
India's Labor Laws, state that the maximum workday is 8 hrs a day and a
maximum workweek of 48 hrs. While smaller business using unskilled
labor,
do ignore those laws, the companies that involved in telephone support
do
not.




wrote in message
nk.net...
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/...in590004.shtml
On any given day in New Delhi and Bombay and Bangalore, the call goes
out
for new call center recruits as more and more American companies come
calling. The call center employees earn $3,000 to $5,000 a year, in a
nation
where the per capita income is less than $500. The perks include free
private transport to and from work plus the sheer heaven of an
air-conditioned workplace.

Now John, I know you are going to say that 3 grand a year does not
equal
1
dollar an hour, but you must remember the people there are reported to
work
12 hours a day 5 and 6 days a week.

5 days a week is 3120 hours a year
6 days a week is 3744 hours a year

An American, working a 40 hour work week at minimum wage of $5.25 per
hour
would make a gross salary of 10,920

"John Smith" wrote in message
news:hfHGc.36245$XM6.24561@attbi_s53...
Gould,
I am curious where you found the info on paying those in India $1 an
hour,
can you provide a link?


"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
You think Dell's going to find people in Texas who
are fluent in English and will work for $5.75 per hour?

$1 per hour is the going rate for English speaking help in India
or
the
Phillipines.

'Course you can halfway live on $40 a week in some places. In
Texas,
that
40
bucks would fill your gas tank, buy you a six pack, and leave
enough
left
over
for a corn dog. Every week.

Ok.. Let us put this into terms you can understand, it is plain to see I
have put it over your head.

1 of these jobs sent over seas that could be held by an unskilled American.

By the company hiring 2 unskilled Americans, 2 families can be reduced from
the American Welfare Roles. They can work 24 hours a week and earn around
the same amount as they get on welfare. Earning $6,552 per year.

By the company hiring 2 unskilled persons in America, the persons working at
the skilled rate of $10.00 per hour for the 24 hour work week, they would
earn $12,480 per year. This would possibly get them off welfare and
foodstamps.

Either way, the company is protected as the people are not "full time"
employees (no benefits), the United States Government gets the taxes, the
Local Governments get the taxes, The Department of Social Security gets an
infusion of money, and, you aren't "paying for some lazy so-and-so to sit at
home and do nothing while everyone else has to work to support them."

America becomes stronger, the economy is stimulated and it helps all of
America.

No, I don't sound like the people of the past, Progress is a move forward,
not a step back. Outsourcing jobs is not a step forward for our country. For
us to help the "world economy" we must be able to support our own economy.
We can't support our own if we are building someone else's just to make a
company rich.

If you want to see America Advance, you must start in America. You don't do
this by sending American Jobs to other countries, you don't do this by
opening the borders to employment from other countries. You do this by
building America then look toward inviting others to join in the prosperity.

I used to live in El Paso, Texas. They opened the border there for employees
from Mexico. Yes they are great people, yes they are hard workers. These
employees would come to America every day to work, they would earn 5.25 per
hour (more money in 1 week that they could earn in an entire month in
Mexico), but due to the number of employees working for minimum wage,
skilled Americans were unable to earn a living. They were exempt from all
taxes in the United States with the exception of State Sales Tax.



"John Smith" wrote in message
news:2iVGc.39249$%_6.16397@attbi_s01...
You sound like the people in the 1950's who were waging a war against
automation in the manufacturing sector, or in the 60's and 70's who were
waging a war against people who were losing jobs to computers, or going
back to the early 20th century, those in the buggy whip factories whose
jobs
were replaced by those in the automotive industry.

The fact of the matter is if US companies do not do what is necessary to
insure that they are not completive with other countries (i.e. European,
Japan, Australia, Canada etc) it will result in substantially more US jobs
lost than we are currently losing. Is this unfair to those who lose their
jobs, definitely, but the alternative is substantially worse.

The US or any other country can not ignore the fact the rules have
changed,
today we are in a world economy. Those industries and countries who adapt
will prosper. Those countries and industries who ignore that fact, will
go
the way of the dodo bird.


wrote in message
nk.net...
Ok.. So it is 2496 hours a year
$3,000 dollars a year.

$1.20 per hour

Figuring a 48 hour work week:
An American just lost $14,198.08 at the federal minimum wage of $5.25
per
hour.

A skilled American just lost $27,040 at $10.00 per hour.

The company saved $11,198.08 or $24,040 for the skilled American, not
including the amount they would have been paying in matching taxes to
the
United States Department of Social Security.

The United States Government looses Federal Income Taxes paid by the
employee, Social Security taxes paid by the employee, matching social
security taxes paid by the company.

The local government looses property taxes.

The state government looses state employment taxes, state sales taxes.

Looks like the Company is the winner in this while the rest of America
suffers.

Put the numbers to it, there is no way outsourcing jobs is good for the
American people.


"John Smith" wrote in message
newsNUGc.39078$%_6.9986@attbi_s01...
India's Labor Laws, state that the maximum workday is 8 hrs a day and
a
maximum workweek of 48 hrs. While smaller business using unskilled
labor,
do ignore those laws, the companies that involved in telephone support
do
not.




wrote in message
nk.net...
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/...in590004.shtml
On any given day in New Delhi and Bombay and Bangalore, the call
goes
out
for new call center recruits as more and more American companies
come
calling. The call center employees earn $3,000 to $5,000 a year, in
a
nation
where the per capita income is less than $500. The perks include
free
private transport to and from work plus the sheer heaven of an
air-conditioned workplace.

Now John, I know you are going to say that 3 grand a year does not
equal
1
dollar an hour, but you must remember the people there are reported
to
work
12 hours a day 5 and 6 days a week.

5 days a week is 3120 hours a year
6 days a week is 3744 hours a year

An American, working a 40 hour work week at minimum wage of $5.25
per
hour
would make a gross salary of 10,920

"John Smith" wrote in message
news:hfHGc.36245$XM6.24561@attbi_s53...
Gould,
I am curious where you found the info on paying those in India $1
an
hour,
can you provide a link?


"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
You think Dell's going to find people in Texas who
are fluent in English and will work for $5.75 per hour?

$1 per hour is the going rate for English speaking help in India
or
the
Phillipines.

'Course you can halfway live on $40 a week in some places. In
Texas,
that
40
bucks would fill your gas tank, buy you a six pack, and leave
enough
left
over
for a corn dog. Every week.

I think you have to understand that if US companies can not be completive
with other industrialized countries our economy will go down the crapper.

Can you imagine a country who said it would not allow mass produced products
because it was detrimental to those craftsman who would be displaced? If
you don't accept the new rules of the world economy, the country, the
companies and their employees will lose in the new world economy.




wrote in message
nk.net...
Ok.. Let us put this into terms you can understand, it is plain to see I
have put it over your head.

1 of these jobs sent over seas that could be held by an unskilled
American.

By the company hiring 2 unskilled Americans, 2 families can be reduced
from
the American Welfare Roles. They can work 24 hours a week and earn around
the same amount as they get on welfare. Earning $6,552 per year.

By the company hiring 2 unskilled persons in America, the persons working
at
the skilled rate of $10.00 per hour for the 24 hour work week, they would
earn $12,480 per year. This would possibly get them off welfare and
foodstamps.

Either way, the company is protected as the people are not "full time"
employees (no benefits), the United States Government gets the taxes, the
Local Governments get the taxes, The Department of Social Security gets an
infusion of money, and, you aren't "paying for some lazy so-and-so to sit
at
home and do nothing while everyone else has to work to support them."

America becomes stronger, the economy is stimulated and it helps all of
America.

No, I don't sound like the people of the past, Progress is a move forward,
not a step back. Outsourcing jobs is not a step forward for our country.
For
us to help the "world economy" we must be able to support our own economy.
We can't support our own if we are building someone else's just to make a
company rich.

If you want to see America Advance, you must start in America. You don't
do
this by sending American Jobs to other countries, you don't do this by
opening the borders to employment from other countries. You do this by
building America then look toward inviting others to join in the
prosperity.

I used to live in El Paso, Texas. They opened the border there for
employees
from Mexico. Yes they are great people, yes they are hard workers. These
employees would come to America every day to work, they would earn 5.25
per
hour (more money in 1 week that they could earn in an entire month in
Mexico), but due to the number of employees working for minimum wage,
skilled Americans were unable to earn a living. They were exempt from all
taxes in the United States with the exception of State Sales Tax.



"John Smith" wrote in message
news:2iVGc.39249$%_6.16397@attbi_s01...
You sound like the people in the 1950's who were waging a war against
automation in the manufacturing sector, or in the 60's and 70's who
were
waging a war against people who were losing jobs to computers, or going
back to the early 20th century, those in the buggy whip factories whose
jobs
were replaced by those in the automotive industry.

The fact of the matter is if US companies do not do what is necessary to
insure that they are not completive with other countries (i.e. European,
Japan, Australia, Canada etc) it will result in substantially more US
jobs
lost than we are currently losing. Is this unfair to those who lose
their
jobs, definitely, but the alternative is substantially worse.

The US or any other country can not ignore the fact the rules have
changed,
today we are in a world economy. Those industries and countries who
adapt
will prosper. Those countries and industries who ignore that fact, will
go
the way of the dodo bird.


wrote in message
nk.net...
Ok.. So it is 2496 hours a year
$3,000 dollars a year.

$1.20 per hour

Figuring a 48 hour work week:
An American just lost $14,198.08 at the federal minimum wage of $5.25
per
hour.

A skilled American just lost $27,040 at $10.00 per hour.

The company saved $11,198.08 or $24,040 for the skilled American, not
including the amount they would have been paying in matching taxes to
the
United States Department of Social Security.

The United States Government looses Federal Income Taxes paid by the
employee, Social Security taxes paid by the employee, matching social
security taxes paid by the company.

The local government looses property taxes.

The state government looses state employment taxes, state sales taxes.

Looks like the Company is the winner in this while the rest of America
suffers.

Put the numbers to it, there is no way outsourcing jobs is good for
the
American people.


"John Smith" wrote in message
newsNUGc.39078$%_6.9986@attbi_s01...
India's Labor Laws, state that the maximum workday is 8 hrs a day
and
a
maximum workweek of 48 hrs. While smaller business using unskilled
labor,
do ignore those laws, the companies that involved in telephone
support
do
not.




wrote in message
nk.net...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/...in590004.shtml
On any given day in New Delhi and Bombay and Bangalore, the call
goes
out
for new call center recruits as more and more American companies
come
calling. The call center employees earn $3,000 to $5,000 a year,
in
a
nation
where the per capita income is less than $500. The perks include
free
private transport to and from work plus the sheer heaven of an
air-conditioned workplace.

Now John, I know you are going to say that 3 grand a year does not
equal
1
dollar an hour, but you must remember the people there are
reported
to
work
12 hours a day 5 and 6 days a week.

5 days a week is 3120 hours a year
6 days a week is 3744 hours a year

An American, working a 40 hour work week at minimum wage of $5.25
per
hour
would make a gross salary of 10,920

"John Smith" wrote in message
news:hfHGc.36245$XM6.24561@attbi_s53...
Gould,
I am curious where you found the info on paying those in India
$1
an
hour,
can you provide a link?


"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
You think Dell's going to find people in Texas who
are fluent in English and will work for $5.75 per hour?

$1 per hour is the going rate for English speaking help in
India
or
the
Phillipines.

'Course you can halfway live on $40 a week in some places. In
Texas,
that
40
bucks would fill your gas tank, buy you a six pack, and leave
enough
left
over
for a corn dog. Every week.

Whether you just too stupid, or too rude doesn't matter...posting OT and
feeding the trolls means goodbye forever!

*ploink*

--
-Netsock

"It's just about going fast...that's all..."
http://home.insight.rr.com/cgreen/

"John Smith" wrote in message
news:_GWGc.40735$IQ4.34656@attbi_s02...
I think you have to understand that if US companies can not be completive
with other industrialized countries our economy will go down the crapper.

Can you imagine a country who said it would not allow mass produced
products
because it was detrimental to those craftsman who would be displaced? If
you don't accept the new rules of the world economy, the country, the
companies and their employees will lose in the new world economy.

"John Smith" wrote in message
news:2iVGc.39249$%_6.16397@attbi_s01...
You sound like the people in the 1950's who were waging a war against
automation in the manufacturing sector, or in the 60's and 70's who were
waging a war against people who were losing jobs to computers, or going
back to the early 20th century, those in the buggy whip factories whose
jobs
were replaced by those in the automotive industry.

He sounds like a liebral whiner who doesn't have a clue as to the purpose of
a corporation, nor of economics in general.

The purpose of a corporation is t make money for the shareholders.... its
pupose is NOT to provide jobs.

The value of a job is is based on what the lowest cost a person is willing
to perform it for. Unions and guvmint minimum wages are driving those jobs
out of the country......but liebral sare too blind to see it.



The fact of the matter is if US companies do not do what is necessary to
insure that they are not completive with other countries (i.e. European,
Japan, Australia, Canada etc) it will result in substantially more US jobs
lost than we are currently losing. Is this unfair to those who lose their
jobs, definitely, but the alternative is substantially worse.

The US or any other country can not ignore the fact the rules have
changed,
today we are in a world economy. Those industries and countries who adapt
will prosper. Those countries and industries who ignore that fact, will
go
the way of the dodo bird.


wrote in message
nk.net...
Ok.. So it is 2496 hours a year
$3,000 dollars a year.

$1.20 per hour

Figuring a 48 hour work week:
An American just lost $14,198.08 at the federal minimum wage of $5.25
per
hour.

A skilled American just lost $27,040 at $10.00 per hour.

The company saved $11,198.08 or $24,040 for the skilled American, not
including the amount they would have been paying in matching taxes to
the
United States Department of Social Security.

The United States Government looses Federal Income Taxes paid by the
employee, Social Security taxes paid by the employee, matching social
security taxes paid by the company.

The local government looses property taxes.

The state government looses state employment taxes, state sales taxes.

Looks like the Company is the winner in this while the rest of America
suffers.

Put the numbers to it, there is no way outsourcing jobs is good for the
American people.


"John Smith" wrote in message
newsNUGc.39078$%_6.9986@attbi_s01...
India's Labor Laws, state that the maximum workday is 8 hrs a day and
a
maximum workweek of 48 hrs. While smaller business using unskilled
labor,
do ignore those laws, the companies that involved in telephone support
do
not.




wrote in message
nk.net...
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/...in590004.shtml
On any given day in New Delhi and Bombay and Bangalore, the call
goes
out
for new call center recruits as more and more American companies
come
calling. The call center employees earn $3,000 to $5,000 a year, in
a
nation
where the per capita income is less than $500. The perks include
free
private transport to and from work plus the sheer heaven of an
air-conditioned workplace.

Now John, I know you are going to say that 3 grand a year does not
equal
1
dollar an hour, but you must remember the people there are reported
to
work
12 hours a day 5 and 6 days a week.

5 days a week is 3120 hours a year
6 days a week is 3744 hours a year

An American, working a 40 hour work week at minimum wage of $5.25
per
hour
would make a gross salary of 10,920

"John Smith" wrote in message
news:hfHGc.36245$XM6.24561@attbi_s53...
Gould,
I am curious where you found the info on paying those in India $1
an
hour,
can you provide a link?


"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
You think Dell's going to find people in Texas who
are fluent in English and will work for $5.75 per hour?

$1 per hour is the going rate for English speaking help in India
or
the
Phillipines.

'Course you can halfway live on $40 a week in some places. In
Texas,
that
40
bucks would fill your gas tank, buy you a six pack, and leave
enough
left
over
for a corn dog. Every week.

On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 13:03:11 -0400, P.Fritz wrote:



The value of a job is is based on what the lowest cost a person is willing
to perform it for. Unions and guvmint minimum wages are driving those jobs
out of the country......but liebral sare too blind to see it.

And the value of goods and services is base on what people are willing to
pay for them. The United States has been the market that has driven the
world's economy because of those high paying "unions and guvmint minimum
wages". With those jobs flying to the Third World, perhaps you'll
enlighten us on where the markets for *our* goods will be.