"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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Here, West Marine's 15 minutes away from Boat US, and the difference in
knowledge level is like night & day. I suspect it's because the West
Marine
is directly across the street from 5 marinas and a ritzy yacht club.


...and has the ritzy prices to match.




Fortunately, my small boat doesn't need much, so paying higher prices
occasionally doesn't dent the annual budget. I don't care HOW much better
the prices are at Boat US. I assume the manager makes some sort of bonus
based on the store's performance, and I'm not about to reward him and his
crew for lousy service.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
news

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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Here, West Marine's 15 minutes away from Boat US, and the difference
in
knowledge level is like night & day. I suspect it's because the West
Marine
is directly across the street from 5 marinas and a ritzy yacht club.


...and has the ritzy prices to match.




Fortunately, my small boat doesn't need much, so paying higher prices
occasionally doesn't dent the annual budget. I don't care HOW much better
the prices are at Boat US. I assume the manager makes some sort of bonus
based on the store's performance, and I'm not about to reward him and his
crew for lousy service.


I just installed two Rule Fully Automatic 1100gph bilge pumps on my boat
last weekend. West Marine had 'em for $95. Boater's World had 'em for $79
and change (regulare non-sale price). I don't care if the manager serves me
latte and polishes my shoes, I'm not paying 20% more because the salesman
behind the counter paid more attention to me.

Thank you to all that replied!! I'll have a look around and hopefully find
something in the links that you have provided! Time to tackle the nightmare
and get this thing working properly!!

Once again, thanx!

Doug


"Doug" wrote in message
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Hey group,

I just recently purchased a fishing boat and is in need of some wiring....
It's a medium size craft, 20 foot Starcraft with decking and the previous
owner has the wires black taped, twisted together, unfused and a whole
array of other problems. What sort of fuse block / Splicer would I need
for
tying this all together to tidy things up a bit? I am running a:

Livewell
Trolling motor
Accessory plugs - 2
Bilge pump
Lights
and an electric start for the motor

This is all on a dual battery 12 volt system


.............. etc.

"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
news

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
Here, West Marine's 15 minutes away from Boat US, and the difference
in
knowledge level is like night & day. I suspect it's because the West
Marine
is directly across the street from 5 marinas and a ritzy yacht club.


...and has the ritzy prices to match.




Fortunately, my small boat doesn't need much, so paying higher prices
occasionally doesn't dent the annual budget. I don't care HOW much
better
the prices are at Boat US. I assume the manager makes some sort of bonus
based on the store's performance, and I'm not about to reward him and
his
crew for lousy service.


I just installed two Rule Fully Automatic 1100gph bilge pumps on my boat
last weekend. West Marine had 'em for $95. Boater's World had 'em for
$79
and change (regulare non-sale price). I don't care if the manager serves
me
latte and polishes my shoes, I'm not paying 20% more because the salesman
behind the counter paid more attention to me.




I price shop, but also look at the selection of stuff WM carries. There is
value in going somewhere that carries the parts you need, and not driving an
extra $5 and an hour of time to get it.

"Doug" wrote in message
...
Hey group,

I just recently purchased a fishing boat and is in need of some wiring....
It's a medium size craft, 20 foot Starcraft with decking and the previous
owner has the wires black taped, twisted together, unfused and a whole
array of other problems. What sort of fuse block / Splicer would I need
for
tying this all together to tidy things up a bit? I am running a:

Livewell
Trolling motor
Accessory plugs - 2
Bilge pump
Lights
and an electric start for the motor

This is all on a dual battery 12 volt system

I would think that there would be some sort of power distributing block or
something where I could tie everything into where there is 2 main wires in
and then screw the other wires into it and have them fused. I have done
some leg work on the net and have pretty much come up with nothing on the
marine sites. What I have found is waaaay in excess of what I need. It
seems simple enough, a block with 2 8 gauge wire in's with 12 or 14 gauge
capable brass screws for accessories to bind everything with fuse
protection
and or breakers. Anyone got any links or thoughts?? I am all ears and
TIA

Doug



There is a book available at Amazon. I have heard it is very good. The 12
Volt bible. Get a Guest or Perco switch. The 1/2/off switch so you can
shut off power when not on the boat and it is on the trailer. Then if you
later add a second battery, the switch is available. Then get a Blue Sea
fuse panel. WM, etc. carry it. Has both fuses and a terminal block. Run a
separate ground wire of sufficient size. Do not use the aluminum boat hull
as the ground return. You may find extra holes in the boat from
electrolysis. I also run a terminal block under the dash on my boat. That
way I can hook up dash electronics neatly. And most of these have their own
fuse. So the dash TB is fused at the back by the batteries, and then the
local electronics are fused locally.
Bill

"Calif Bill" wrote in message nk.net...
"Doug" wrote in message
...
Hey group,

I just recently purchased a fishing boat and is in need of some wiring....
It's a medium size craft, 20 foot Starcraft with decking and the previous
owner has the wires black taped, twisted together, unfused and a whole
array of other problems. What sort of fuse block / Splicer would I need
for
tying this all together to tidy things up a bit? I am running a:

Livewell
Trolling motor
Accessory plugs - 2
Bilge pump
Lights
and an electric start for the motor

This is all on a dual battery 12 volt system

I would think that there would be some sort of power distributing block or
something where I could tie everything into where there is 2 main wires in
and then screw the other wires into it and have them fused. I have done
some leg work on the net and have pretty much come up with nothing on the
marine sites. What I have found is waaaay in excess of what I need. It
seems simple enough, a block with 2 8 gauge wire in's with 12 or 14 gauge
capable brass screws for accessories to bind everything with fuse
protection
and or breakers. Anyone got any links or thoughts?? I am all ears and
TIA

Doug



There is a book available at Amazon. I have heard it is very good. The 12
Volt bible. Get a Guest or Perco switch. The 1/2/off switch so you can
shut off power when not on the boat and it is on the trailer. Then if you
later add a second battery, the switch is available. Then get a Blue Sea
fuse panel. WM, etc. carry it. Has both fuses and a terminal block. Run a
separate ground wire of sufficient size. Do not use the aluminum boat hull
as the ground return. You may find extra holes in the boat from
electrolysis. I also run a terminal block under the dash on my boat. That
way I can hook up dash electronics neatly. And most of these have their own
fuse. So the dash TB is fused at the back by the batteries, and then the
local electronics are fused locally.
Bill

Man, only a dumb ass would use such horrible grammar.

"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
news

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
Here, West Marine's 15 minutes away from Boat US, and the difference
in
knowledge level is like night & day. I suspect it's because the West
Marine
is directly across the street from 5 marinas and a ritzy yacht club.


...and has the ritzy prices to match.




Fortunately, my small boat doesn't need much, so paying higher prices
occasionally doesn't dent the annual budget. I don't care HOW much
better
the prices are at Boat US. I assume the manager makes some sort of bonus
based on the store's performance, and I'm not about to reward him and
his
crew for lousy service.


I just installed two Rule Fully Automatic 1100gph bilge pumps on my boat
last weekend. West Marine had 'em for $95. Boater's World had 'em for
$79
and change (regulare non-sale price). I don't care if the manager serves
me
latte and polishes my shoes, I'm not paying 20% more because the salesman
behind the counter paid more attention to me.




At the Boat US store here, you're lucky if you can get someone to take your
money. Last visit: Ass't manager was on the phone at the service desk while
3 customers including myself waited at the cash register. We all figured she
was helping a customer. Nope. Loud enough for everyone to hear, she says,
"Look, when I took this job, I didn't think I had to be in the store
cleaning up at 11 PM, so we need to talk, or I'll find something else". The
conversation continued for 3 more minutes. Finally, a cashier appeared from
one of the aisles. Rather than come to the register, she yells "Is dey
somethin' I can help you people with?" I kid you not. One customer stayed,
two of us left. What I needed wasn't crucial.

Previous visit: Only one person at the front end - the manager. Two
customers waiting at the register. The manager was chatting with what
appeared to be an entire family. From the conversation, it was clear they
were chatting about who's going to college where. Chatting....and chatting.
Five minutes went by. I asked if there was a cashier available. He said "No,
but I'll be right with you".

I don't care how much cheaper they sell something for. I don't like asking
people to take my money. I don't expect a red carpet and a blowjob when I
walk into a store, just the acknowledgement that I have other things to do
besides cool my heels waiting until someone's done picking their nose.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
news
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
Here, West Marine's 15 minutes away from Boat US, and the
difference
in
knowledge level is like night & day. I suspect it's because the
West
Marine
is directly across the street from 5 marinas and a ritzy yacht
club.


...and has the ritzy prices to match.




Fortunately, my small boat doesn't need much, so paying higher prices
occasionally doesn't dent the annual budget. I don't care HOW much
better
the prices are at Boat US. I assume the manager makes some sort of
bonus
based on the store's performance, and I'm not about to reward him and
his
crew for lousy service.


I just installed two Rule Fully Automatic 1100gph bilge pumps on my boat
last weekend. West Marine had 'em for $95. Boater's World had 'em for
$79
and change (regulare non-sale price). I don't care if the manager
serves
me
latte and polishes my shoes, I'm not paying 20% more because the
salesman
behind the counter paid more attention to me.




At the Boat US store here, you're lucky if you can get someone to take
your
money. Last visit: Ass't manager was on the phone at the service desk
while
3 customers including myself waited at the cash register. We all figured
she
was helping a customer. Nope. Loud enough for everyone to hear, she says,
"Look, when I took this job, I didn't think I had to be in the store
cleaning up at 11 PM, so we need to talk, or I'll find something else".
The
conversation continued for 3 more minutes. Finally, a cashier appeared
from
one of the aisles. Rather than come to the register, she yells "Is dey
somethin' I can help you people with?" I kid you not. One customer stayed,
two of us left. What I needed wasn't crucial.

Previous visit: Only one person at the front end - the manager. Two
customers waiting at the register. The manager was chatting with what
appeared to be an entire family. From the conversation, it was clear they
were chatting about who's going to college where. Chatting....and
chatting.
Five minutes went by. I asked if there was a cashier available. He said
"No,
but I'll be right with you".

I don't care how much cheaper they sell something for. I don't like asking
people to take my money. I don't expect a red carpet and a blowjob when I
walk into a store, just the acknowledgement that I have other things to do
besides cool my heels waiting until someone's done picking their nose.



I had a similar experience at West Marine, but it was because the two
salemen were helping the same customer spend lots of his money on expensive
electronics. What irked me is that neither one of them broke away to cash
me out. I left...leaving the pile of merchandise sitting on the counter.
When I got home, I ordered it on the internet. Shipping was free because
the bill exceeded $100 (a promotion they were running). Sometimes you
achieve the best "service" when as few people as possible are involved in a
sale.

"basskisser" wrote in message
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
nk.net...
"Doug" wrote in message
...
Hey group,

I just recently purchased a fishing boat and is in need of some
wiring....
It's a medium size craft, 20 foot Starcraft with decking and the
previous
owner has the wires black taped, twisted together, unfused and a
whole
array of other problems. What sort of fuse block / Splicer would I
need
for
tying this all together to tidy things up a bit? I am running a:

Livewell
Trolling motor
Accessory plugs - 2
Bilge pump
Lights
and an electric start for the motor

This is all on a dual battery 12 volt system

I would think that there would be some sort of power distributing
block or
something where I could tie everything into where there is 2 main
wires in
and then screw the other wires into it and have them fused. I have
done
some leg work on the net and have pretty much come up with nothing on
the
marine sites. What I have found is waaaay in excess of what I need.
It
seems simple enough, a block with 2 8 gauge wire in's with 12 or 14
gauge
capable brass screws for accessories to bind everything with fuse
protection
and or breakers. Anyone got any links or thoughts?? I am all ears
and
TIA

Doug



There is a book available at Amazon. I have heard it is very good. The
12
Volt bible. Get a Guest or Perco switch. The 1/2/off switch so you can
shut off power when not on the boat and it is on the trailer. Then if
you
later add a second battery, the switch is available. Then get a Blue
Sea
fuse panel. WM, etc. carry it. Has both fuses and a terminal block.
Run a
separate ground wire of sufficient size. Do not use the aluminum boat
hull
as the ground return. You may find extra holes in the boat from
electrolysis. I also run a terminal block under the dash on my boat.
That
way I can hook up dash electronics neatly. And most of these have their
own
fuse. So the dash TB is fused at the back by the batteries, and then
the
local electronics are fused locally.
Bill

Man, only a dumb ass would use such horrible grammar.

Grammar or not, I could answer the question. Now you. You could only
prove your idiocy some more.

Be advised that West Marine bought the BoatUS retail business a year or so ago,
so it's really the same company. Here in The San Diego area, I always found
the BoatUS staff were MUCH better versed (for the most part...always a ding
ding in the crowd) then the West Marine clowns. In the old days.
Now it's just a K-MART for boats. Know what you need before going in the door.
They are better at selling a new radar then a replacement raw water pump!
Mike